On 03/03/14 11:31, ghaverla wrote: > On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:53:59 +1100 > Scott Ferguson <scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I disagree with the binaryness of >>> systemd. >> >> Do you mean the *one* binary in systemd? I'm pretty sure the source >> is available. > > As I understand things, one of the benefits of systemd is a fast boot > process. As I only boot my computer once per year (or so), this is > terribly important to me (sarcasm).
Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate that, for my own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a year can cost a lot of money - so in those circumstances a few minutes makes a lot of difference. Perhaps that's not something you care about - or it's just convenient to ignore until your bank/phone/stockbroker/shopping is interrupted as a result. Perhaps you simply put your "needs" before those of others - assuredly inadvertently. Given the interest displayed by "home users", and those that develop for embedded platforms, in fast boot times, I suspect your needs aren't stereotypical of all the users that Debian The Universal Operating System seeks to support. <snipped> > > As I understand things, I don't know what you have or haven't been reading - but it's likely not the same as me. The journaling component is binary. The source is available. <snipped> > > The guys at Bell Labs were all smart guys. Yes. So were many of the Ancient Greek engineers - but none of them were able to predict either the technological or social and business requirements of today. They were smart - and they knew their limitations, hence you won't find them having made foolish predictions like the guy who declared "everything that can be invented already has been". I suspect when you were reading up on Unix development you skipped the history and aims of Multix. You do know the joke behind the naming of Unix right? Multix was meant to be able to do "everything" - but budget and time constraints led to *severe* compromises in the project aims. Unix is the result. Linux (and GNU) are not Unix, by design - not just for legal reasons - but because it doesn't scratch the itch. Compare pears with pears, not potatoes. <snipped> > I think most of these people are looking for > hibernation, not boot. You *imagine*, not "think" (using reductive logic?). I'm sure your not a bully who forces your ideas onto those that do want fast boot instead of hibernation. Fast booting was not the sole criteria for which it was selected by Debian for the *Linux* kernel. Perhaps your 'understanding' was not based on reading the relevant documentation, discussions and debates? If you're uncertain as to why "users" (sometimes erroneously interpreted to mean *only* hobbyist consumers) don't have more "say" in the process the Debian Constitution is a good starting point on the road to a "knowledge-based understanding". I'm reasonably certain that directly or indirectly (corporate sponsored), developers do take "users" needs into account - and those concerns shape the decisions they make in Debian debates and discussions. Please excuse the terseness of my language - my time and writing skill is limited. I do appreciate you are not a shill/troll/saboteur - but your post is one of many the read like "Dear interweb, do my home work for me". > > >>> But knowing Debian was going to change, I went looking for refuge, >>> and things derived from Gentoo might be home, things derived from >>> Slackware might be home. >> >> Choice is good. Fortunately it's one of the key benefits of Open >> Source development. > > There is no choice, when we are informed that systemd will be the > default in 8.0, when in unstable and testing systemd is already present > and seemingly no way to remove it. Wait - didn't you just say you went looking and found Gentoo and Slackware? Is that not choice? Don't conflate Debian and "Open Source" - they are not synonyms. If you interpret choice to mean "I demand my choice be catered for" - then bully for you. The only thing stopping you from writing your own init/kernel/userland from scratch - or forking the work of others, is the misplaced belief that others *should* do it for you. That sounds as productive and fulfilling as pissing up a rope. <snipped> I'm sorry you find the whole idea so upsetting. Truly. Overcome and adapt is the only suggestion I can make. Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5313e068.5000...@gmail.com
