uot;base system". But maybe we
need to talk about the debian-boot mailing list instead or in
addition?
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> + have not been moved to FHS-compliant locations.
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any local changes they have made when upgrading packages.
So this argument is basically spurious as long as we make logrotate
important.
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> ../../gnome/help/users-guide/C
Hmm. Why can't you have the help files in /usr/share/doc and the
symlink going from /usr/share/gnome? Would that help at all?
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> On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 11:13:11PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Let's say cron's maintainer decides to convert
> > /etc/cron.daily/standard to use logrotate, in concordance with the
> > current poli
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d for development. The extra disk space
> used by another copy of the .so file is actually very small compared
> to the space used by debugging, static and profiling libraries, of
> which nearly all development systems will need at least some.
>
> Ian.
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st libbar in woody, it will depend upon the woody libbar, and
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> > [I think that some version of the original message should be posted at
> > some point to -devel-announce, probably once the new dpkg-shlibdeps is
> > installed in woody. We
eople choose to migrate at some stage from
Linux to the Hurd, and also for sysadmins trying to look at both
Linux-based and Hurd-based Debian systems. Besides which, it's the
current policy.)
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advance.
I also agree with your take on the packaging manual, although there
clearly has to be close co-operation between the two manuals.
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s idea.
>
> How about we add `only' (without the parenthesis)?
I like this.
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one else who participated): well done.
One thought: I like the idea of using the BTS to record proposals. I
think that should remain even with the new system, although the
precise details may well change.
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> Looking for seconds.
Seconded.
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Good points. Reopening.
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 03:31:41AM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote:
> What is boring (like for all CPAN modules) is to have the very same
> information in 3 places (copyright, control, watch), therefore I'd
> support a change like you sketched above ("may be skipped if Homepage
> is clear enough") or
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 03:43:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think it would be lovely to just use RFC 2119 language or a close
> adaptation thereof. We're sort of reinventing the wheel here, and we're
> not doing a very good job of it in terms of consistency and shared
> understanding of the
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:18:53AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> If you wanted to replace policy with a formal set of requirements and
> descriptions like RFCs have them, then this argument could hold.
Is not policy mainly trying to do precisely this? If not, then what
is its purpose?
> But t
BOn Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 03:11:14PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
>1;2801;0c * Julian Gilbey [111027 12:09]:
> > 3.2: Unchanged,
>
> So a package without a version is fine?
>
> > except in final paragraph where "should be converted"
> > is changed to &q
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:14:00AM +0100, Carsten Hey wrote:
> Package: developers-reference
> Severity: wishlist
>
> Maintainers might decide to add a special make target to prepare the
> source tree for building, i.e., that make target is run by the
> maintainer after a VCS checkout and possibly
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:46:15PM +0100, Carsten Hey wrote:
> > How would this relate to Policy 4.14 - debian/README.source?
> [...]
> The intention of this bug report is to unify the name of a target that
> might be used more often soon, and it is not sufficient to reach this
> goal if we rely on
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:02:50PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > As such, I believe the requirement to compress files is an anachronism
> > that we should get rid of.
>
> I do not like removing a useful requirement in exchange for nothing.
> Debian is used on small systems where users still li
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 08:20:15PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Here is a somewhat clumsy proposition.
>
>
> File names
>
>
> The name of the files installed by binary packages in the system
> PATH
> (namely /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin,
> /usr/s
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 06:01:10PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:18:37AM +0100, Julian Gilbey a écrit :
> >
> > For consistency, I guess this should be /usr/games rather than
> > /usr/games/.
>
> > The final paragraph seems a litt
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 01:55:38PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> [...]
> In terms of quantity of work, I think that the documentation of the triggers
> is
> almost done. This said, the loud silence makes me feel that this work is very
> controversal, so I am not sure if it will be part of the Po
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 01:25:57PM +, Ximin Luo wrote:
> Not having to support "patch" greatly simplifies things, but "deprecation" is
> not mentioned anywhere in Section 4... Do you know how many existing packages
> still use "patch"?
That's a good point: with the not-so-recent introduction
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:03:53PM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> My hunch is to say that a package may remove /etc/greeting in this
> case but by no means should. That is, something like the following
> but hopefully less awkward:
>
> Obsolete configuration files without local changes may
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 09:55:02PM -0400, David Prévot wrote:
> diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml
> index dad8d23..4eb55d9 100644
> --- a/policy.sgml
> +++ b/policy.sgml
> @@ -2367,8 +2367,7 @@ endif
>This is an optional, recommended configuration file for the
>uscan ut
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 02:53:12PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Based on Josselin's contribution and the comments of Russ, I have written
> a patch for the Debian Policy, that documents the use of the FreeDesktop
> standards for the use of Desktop menus and media types (MIME).
Tha
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:46:10AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have read a lot of scepticism about the Debian menu in this thread, and no
> actual support for it. Perhaps I was trying to be too consensual and proposed
> an over-complicated solution while it is clear that
Hello!
I propose that the 18-year-old file
/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/libc6-migration.txt.gz
shipped in the debian-policy package is dropped from future versions
of debian-policy, as it serves no meaningful purpose nowadays, except
possibly historical interest. (And for that, we have archives
Hello,
I have noticed that packages are using architecture specifiers in
their dependency information, for example dh-python depends on
'python3:any (>= 3.3.2-2~)'. However, there is no mention of this
syntax that I could find in the current policy.
I would propose a patch, but I don't know what
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> This proposal is based on part of a talk I gave at debconf7, and
> is about reorganizing the policy document(s). The current policy
> document grew organically from the dpkg documentation, and the
> packag
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:54:11PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think therefore that we should add some statement to policy about
> phoning home.
Agreed.
> As a starting point:
>
> * Software in Debian should not communicate over the network except
>- in order to, and as necessary to, perf
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:31:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Again, I thank all the folks who have been involved in Debian
> technical policy development over the years, I think the technical
> policy is one of the best things about Debian. It has been wonderful
> working with all
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 03:37:37PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Russ Allbery writes:
>
> > I did a bit more research based on Osamu Aoki's excellent work.
> > Currently, these things are referred to using three different terms:
[...]
> As mentioned, I'm not sure we need to match the terminology i
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 10:16:06PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> > So printf is slightly unwiedly to use and it can create
> > format string attack.
>
> It does, however, have the advantage of working if BAR contains "-E".
> (This isn't a contrived example, it's why I recently changed the parsin
eed proxies: in the config files of things like the CPAN.pm
module, in wget configuration (perhaps called from a cron job) and so
on. So a system-wide config file would be _very_ good.
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somehow uploaded to
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Section: contrib/mail
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1)
Recommends: pgp-i | pgp-us | pgp5i | gnupg
-> gnupg in non-US/main, so moves to non-US/main (may want to remove
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-socks | ssh2, so essentially depends
on ssh if you don't have or wish to use rsh-client). An RC bug is
already filed against tkirc for this; I've just filed one against fsh.
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). I
> think contrib is the proper place.
This is currently being debated on -policy. Can we continue the
discussion there, please?
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ng of the changelog entry, it will be stuck in
> > > the main distribution; if I use "non-free", it will be placed in the
> > > non-free section of the unstable distribution. How do I specify
> > > both "frozen" and "non-free" at the same
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>
> >I'll make a fetchmail-ssl package if noone else wants to; I'm using a
> >locally compiled copy myself right now.
> Look at the dlo
ent section for software dependent upon non-US/main?
It would make (us/)main non-self contained, but
main=us/main+non-us/main would be self-contained, and it would get the
software onto US CDs.
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for the most part, contains DFSG-free packages which depend
on non-free software. non-US/main doesn't. So I don't think this
question is so obviously simple: there are good arguments for both
possibilities. I could say more, but here is not the place.
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change their names are:
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On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 05:11:45PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
>
> > Is there a really good reason why we shouldn't have long package names?
>
> dpkg -l, but this is not a really good reason :-)
I had thought of that one
> deb-devel-refe
No debian packages currently begin with 'deb-'; let's not introduce a
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g scheme. Oh well.
We already have:
debian-cd
debian-guide
debian-history
debian-keyring
debian-policy
debian-test
debian-utils
So there's already a precedent.
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will go in unless there are objections, to avoid the problems we have
recently been experiencing. But I realise that this will be more
contentious
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in/nawk".
Are there a significant number of pieces of software which depend on
nawk? Is there any harm in requiring there to be a nawk -> awk
symlink?
Dunno.
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I would like to move the dhelp sections of debian-policy and
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Debian-specific. Does anyone have any objections to this?
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to do.
Why?
> The real question is: Is there any harm in requiring awk scripts to
> use /usr/bin/awk as a common interface?
Not for Debian packages. Yes for locally installed software.
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Package: packaging-manual
Version: 3.1.1.1
There's no mention of Build-Depends in chapter 4 (control files). I
intend to add it if no-one objects. I'll post wording when I write
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obvious.
So what about a policy diff to say this?
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Copyright-Details: # field with copy of copyright
or something like
Copyright: non-DFSG
Copyright-non-freeness: # Brief details of non-freeness here
Copyright-Details: # field with copy of copyright
Comments?
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> so the location is implied instead of explicitly mentioned.
Do we have a consensus on what should be done? Are we happy with
/usr/local/share/man?
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On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 11:03:43AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
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>
> > I would suggest a file with fields like the control files, something
> > like (comments with #'s):
>
> > Package: foo
> > De
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sed: what would be the
real benefits of making our useful, easily human-readable copyright
file machine-readable?
Unless anyone comes up with some *really* good reasons, I suggest we
just drop the idea.
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agree with him, and therefore second this
proposal, and will include it in the upcoming policy revision unless
anyone has any objections.
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 07:48:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 09:50:58AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > The proposal is to add a requirement to policy (Ron's wording):
> > A package may not make hard links to conffiles.
>
> Shouldn't
ul. I haven't
checked the latest apache package, but such a note might even be
present ;-)
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 10:08:30AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 09:50:58AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > OK, so where do we stand on this one?
>
> > The proposal is to add a requirement to policy (Ron's wording):
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> > A package may
no-one has
any comments about it.
Julian
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procedure seems to be what is gradually happening
anyway, so I suggest we close this bug report.
Julian
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On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 01:36:36PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
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> I'll use your interpretation, but there's no way I could have
> decoded that meaning from the packaging manual.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
> Julian G
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IANAD. But I want to be... :)
In any event, I hope the following
change can be made so my package
(gdam at http://www.ffem.org/gdam)
can be made lintian clean.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 10:01:16PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 20-Jun-00, 17:00 (CDT), Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 10:08:30AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> > > Rationale: this is because an admin might edit a conffile without
n just
referring to /usr/doc.
I think this is more of a "show me the code" type of situation.
Julian
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o rewrite things to better
describe reality?
Julian
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deal with. If it's
been fixed, then please close this bug report.
Julian
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scripts.
So should we close this bug and put this requirement/suggestion into
the coding guidelines (which may, one day, be written)?
Julian
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; In that case, I suggest changing the first line of the proposal from:
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> A package may not make hard links to conffiles.
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> to:
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> A package may not contain hard links to conffiles.
I think we'll say both ;-)
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it for the time being.
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reassign 38902 ftp.debian.org
severity 38902 normal
thanks
The creation of the data section now rests in the hands of the ftp
team.
Julian
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write the code?
Julian
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reopen 27205
severity 27205 wishlist
retitle [GUIDELINES] Daemons should run as root only if really needed
thanks
On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 03:18:56PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
> > Well, this one never really got much support and had objectors; it'
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