Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-27 Thread Gary Nylander
I walked away from a boat which had sea trialed quite nicely (not C&C). But, when we hauled her my surveyor started with the moisture meter on her and I went up the dock to the little boy's room. Came back and the surveyor was sitting next to the boat. I was wondering if I was paying all that m

Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-27 Thread Tom B
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Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Marek Dziedzic
All very good tips. I would add to look thoroughly for a good surveyor. I bet that this list can help. Another source is the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors (www.marinesurvey.org). I would pick at least a couple and talk to them (interview them). You want to make sure that they are working

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Josh Muckley
Agreed Joel, Over all I was disappointed with what a standard survey included. I had two in less than a month on two different boats with different surveyors. If not for needing it for the financing I would opt next time for an engine and rigging survey alone. I can swing a moisture meter, and v

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Joel Aronson
You might also want to consider a rigging survey. My surveyor could not see a broken tang. Luckily I had a furler installed, so my rigger saw it before I lost the rig. It was an expensive, unwelcome surprise. Joel Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Josh Muckley wrote: The haul an

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Josh Muckley
The haul and launch are sold as a pair so the previous haul covers the launch. But if you don't buy then you are responsible for putting it back on the hard. Other than that all costs are yours. That's kinda why you want a contract...so that the money you are investing can't be sold out from und

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Us
David and I looked for a C&C 37/40+ boat for over two years to find the right one for us (condition), and while I agree with the volume of advice you have received, there is one area that wasn't covered. (Please excuse me) We hired a naval architect that performs surveys using a Flir thermal ima

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Briard6
David, Just a thought for you. Before owning my C&C, my previous boat was an Alberg 37 which I bought while it was in the water at a marina. During negotiations, I insisted on a survey and a sea-trial as conditions of the purchase. We sea-trialed with the surveyor on board and all was fi

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Colin Kilgour
You're almost certainly going to be on the nut for that. If you want to avoid that cost, delay your closing until after spring. commissioning. Or close and keep some kind of holdback pending sea trial. Of course, there are fewer degrees of freedom (for both parties) if you do this. Or, if the on

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread David Knecht
You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another C&C. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Josh Muckley
David, Do your research. Do your own, thorough, preliminary survey. Look at recent market prices. Look at comparable boats and ask yourself why not this one instead. Look at sail inventory, engine, and drive train. The surveyor will probably not perform a detailed engine/drive train survey. C

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Dennis C.
__ > From: David Knecht >To: CnC CnC discussion list >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:10 PM >Subject: Stus-List Boat buying tips > > >I am hoping to return to the C&C family this season.  I have a 1990 34+ in my >sights that I will soon have surveyed et

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Rich Knowles
Re the instruments: from a buying perspective, any instruments older than a year should play a very minor part to none in the negotiations and new gear to come should not figure in the price at all. Keep it focused on the boat. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-26, at 19:22, Andrew

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread HONEYSAIL
I would start out by offering the broker 40% of the current asking price, subject to your surveyor's survey & sea trail. Watch the broker's reaction and you should be able to clearly see just how far they are willing to go to sell you the boat without wasting a of of your time.. Also, ask fo

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Andrew Burton
David, pretty much everything's negotiable. But the order to do is: negotiate before the survey, then make an offer "subject to survey." Don't use the broker's surveyor. Ask here for a recommendation. A broker should have a list of what other boats like yours have sold for, but I doubt the selling

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Joel Aronson
David, Best of luck! One negotiates a price subject to survey and then re-negotiates based on those results. The broker can look up prior sales on soldboats.com and provide a printout. I would factor the cost of electronics in to the price, but they my be able to get you a better labor rate. Jo

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread Edd Schillay
David, Welcome to the list. I would suggest you negotiate a price, then do the survey. If things come up in the survey, you can negotiate down further. As for installation of instruments, I doubt you'll get anywhere with that as the dealer would most likely have to subcontract

Stus-List Boat buying tips

2013-02-26 Thread David Knecht
I am hoping to return to the C&C family this season. I have a 1990 34+ in my sights that I will soon have surveyed etc. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? I am relatively inexperienced with the buying process, so looking for tips/suggestions on how to procee