I believe the PHRF narrative used to say that the numbers were based on at
least 50% windward work. So w/l courses were covered as well as olympic, but
single triangles would not be good for the handicap numbers.However, since the
numbers are averaged over all winds, clearly they aren't meant
I've heard of folks replacing the mast with a "D" section type and double
spreaders, along with a little extra height. Less weight aloft would keep it
more upright to carry more sail area and more sail area would give a nice boost
to acceleration after a tack, not to mention top speed for any
with new rags and a good crew, it
can do very well with its rating.
Too many variables to account for.
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There is not much consistency bet
mp;C 30-1
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Sent: 12/16/2019 1:49 PM
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PHRF of the Chesapeake gives credit for genoas under 140%. 140 is the same as
155 for ratings purposes. There is an adjustment for folding/feathering
p
se forgive typos. Thank you.
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
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> My two cents; With hundreds of boats to rate, I wouldn't expect the
> rating committees to
; Michael Brown
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My two cents; With hundreds of boats to rate, I wouldn't expect the rating
committees to make any rating adjustment unless there was a serious complaint
or an appeal to get their attention, and some good solid race resul
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C&C 30-1
From: Fred Hazzard mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com> >
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Sent: 12/13/2019 7:33 PM
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I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic
differences in conditions
David,
PHRF NE covers not only Buzzards Bay but also Cape Cod Bay and Marblehead
the latter being a notoriously light air location in the summer. It seems
like various regions try to gauge averages to meet the widest range of
sailing conditions. In YRLIS, an area for which the C&C 40 was designe
en at base.
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My two cents; With hundreds of boats to rate, I wouldn't expect the rating
committees to make any rating adjustment unless there was a serious complaint
or an appeal to get their attention, and some good solid race results to make a
judgement. Someone I know asked for an appeal to raise his ra
Thank you all for the responses on this subject. I got information I was
looking for:
* The Gulf Yachting Association PHRF Committee conducts an annual review. The
minutes of the most recent annual review show +3/-3 adjustments based on
performance.
* The Narragansett Bay PHRF Committee review
boats and is dated from 1976 to 1979, depending
on the page.
Gary Nylander
#593
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According to t
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To:
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I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic
differences in conditions they race in. San Francisco verses San Diego for
example.
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portl
The clubs in PHRF-LO submit race results at the end of the season.
All the data gets entered and we get race analysis back. Some filtering
goes on to drop nights with wind issues, boats that raced less than
three times, races with less than three boats.
Classes that consistently perform ( calcul
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I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic
differences in conditions they race in. San Francisco verses San Diego
for example
1979, depending
on the page.
Gary Nylander
#593
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According to the US Sailing PHRF Rating Book, the
Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic
differences in conditions they race in. San Francisco verses San Diego for
example.
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portlan
gt;> *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *David
>> Knecht via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 5:40 PM
>> *To:* CnC discussion list CnC
>> *Cc:* David Knecht
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>> I am pretty sur
similar to my 593,
>> only differing is the area of chainplate attachments and some cabinet
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>> Gary Nylander
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*Cc:* David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>
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I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my
club in at least 10 years. Dave
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> *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *David
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> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 5:40 PM
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> *Cc:* David Knecht
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> I am pretty sure that no revi
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To: CnC discussion list CnC
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my club in at least
10 years. Dave
S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT
On De
Being on the Narragansett Bay PHRF Rating Committee I can state that we
do review boat performance regularly (monthly meetings).I did not
realize how difficult it is to rate boats ranging from the latest
high-performance racers to 1919 Herreshoff S class boats.The committee
consist of sailing p
Gulf Yachting Association PHRF committee meets quarterly utilizing a board
of 5 local handicappers. They review new boats, rating revision requests,
by-laws, etc. Pretty much everything PHRF. They also conduct an annual
review. Here's the link to all the info.
http://www.gya.org/?page_id=306
5 C&C 36 XL/kcb
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Cc: David Knecht
Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2019 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my club in at least
10 years.
On Lake Erie, PHRF ratings are assigned by PHRF-LE, not local clubs. There are
a few occasions where a club or organizing authority might assign a temporary
rating, but “reviews and adjustments” to a base rating would be handled by
PHRF-LE. PHRF-LE made an across-the-board 3 seconds/mile adjus
I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my club in at least
10 years. Dave
S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Well Lee, since you bring up PHRF reviews, let me ask you listers, how often
> do yo
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