I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my club in at least 10 years. Dave
S/V Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT > On Dec 12, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Well Lee, since you bring up PHRF reviews, let me ask you listers, how often > do your clubs or RSAs conduct rating reviews and adjustments? > > The introduction in “the book” > (https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/ > <https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/>) says > under heading "Considerations when using this listing to determine a handicap > by averaging fleet data” that "After the initial handicap is chosen and the > boat is raced, an empirical analysis of performance may permit a more refined > estimate of its speed potential.” And a review of > https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/USPHRF-Fleets-1.pdf > <https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/USPHRF-Fleets-1.pdf> > shows that most clubs derive handicaps from “the book,” then review and > adjust based on local experience. > > So, how many of y’all do that? > > Cheers, > Randy > >> On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >> >> Dear Sir, >> >> RE: Randy Stafford S/V Grenadin C&C 30 MK I #79 LISTED as Hull #7 >> >> I have put in a request for an immediate PHRF review of your boat. With >> over 70 shipyard refinements, it’s clear now, why your boat is so fast, and >> only right that your rating reflect the changes you failed to document. I >> expect the board will want to question you very carefully about the >> additional changes to your boat over and above the documented 1972 norms. I >> have suggested that the penalty not be limited to just changing a PHRF >> number, but the monetary fine should reflect the price of the current boat >> you have chosen to race. Perhaps if you raced a newer more expensive boat, >> you would be disinclined to perpetrate this excessive winning streak, which >> is depressing both the local fleet and the attendance of future sailors to >> the sport. You should hear from the PHRF board by the end of the month. >> >> Regretfully, Lee >> Yea, cold and wet in Seattle >> >> >>> On Dec 12, 2019, at 2:31 09AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Listers- >>> >>> When I was buying my 30 MK I (HIN 30007972) four years ago, I came to the >>> conclusion she was hull number 7 laid up in September 1972, I think based >>> on this old post: >>> http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2012-April/044412.html >>> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2012-April/044412.html>. >>> >>> Meanwhile a discussion arose recently in the Facebook C&C Owners Group >>> where a guy asked how to decode HIN 30002672. I emailed Rob Ball hoping >>> for clarification, and Rob referred me to Rob MacLachlan of South Shore >>> Yachts. Rob MacLachlan said definitively I have hull #79, not hull #7. So >>> the HIN format C&C used before standardization on November 1st 1972 >>> apparently didn’t include any digits indicating the month in which the hull >>> was laid up. >>> >>> I’ll be damned, I said. All this time I thought I had hull #7. >>> >>> Rick Bushie on this list owns 30 MK I hull #1, and his HIN plate says >>> simply “30-1 1971N”. >>> Brian Buttigieg in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #5, he says, but >>> hasn’t posted his HIN yet. >>> Jack Rousseau in the Facebook group owned 30 MK I hull #8 and said it was >>> made in 1971. >>> Sean Dillon in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #14 and says it’s a >>> 1971 boat. >>> Ed Levert on this list owned hull #19 and thought it was a 1971 boat. >>> The owners of HINs 30002672, 30005972, and 30009472 have also been heard >>> from here or in the Facebook group. >>> Steve Guiney in the Facebook group owns hull #123 and his HIN is >>> CCY301231172 (CCY was later used by the Rhode Island factory but it didn’t >>> open until February 1976) >>> >>> It seems clear that C&C changed 30 MK I HIN formats at least twice over the >>> production run. And I shall change my email signature according to what >>> I’ve learnt. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Randy Stafford >>> S/V Grenadine >>> C&C 30 MK I #79 >>> Ken Caryl, CO >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. 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