A friend of mine was chairman of the Western Long Island Sound PHRF
committee, and he told me that across the country the PHRF committees
give certain boats the same base rating, kind of yardstick boats, so to
speak, so all the committees will be working to the same reference. The
C&C 35 Mk 1 is one of those, possibly the 30 Mk 1 is too.
Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY
On 12/13/2019 7:33 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote:
I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic
differences in conditions they race in. San Francisco verses San Diego
for example.
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland Or
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:08 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I’m guessing most of the reviews are for boats with big changes in
performance. PHRF Chesapeake has done some, but not often. Looking
around the country, the 30-1, from hull number 1 (on the
Chesapeake) to hull numbers over 600 seem to have the same 174
handicap (mine is number 593 and is 174 also). There may be
exceptions, but I would doubt that Randy’s boat (assuming it has
not been modified in major ways) would prompt a review. I’m not
sure what one would do to a 30-1 to increase performance unless
you cut a bunch of weight off the keel – and that would decrease
it’s performance in heavy weather. At the Chesapeake rendezvous a
couple months ago, I got to look at Rick’s number 1 and it is very
similar to my 593, only differing is the area of chainplate
attachments and some cabinet doors.
Gary Nylander
*From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> *On Behalf Of *David
Knecht via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 5:40 PM
*To:* CnC discussion list CnC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Cc:* David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com
<mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my
club in at least 10 years. Dave
S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT
On Dec 12, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Well Lee, since you bring up PHRF reviews, let me ask you
listers, how often do your clubs or RSAs conduct rating
reviews and adjustments?
The introduction in “the book”
(https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/)
says under heading "Considerations when using this listing to
determine a handicap by averaging fleet data” that "After the
initial handicap is chosen and the boat is raced, an empirical
analysis of performance may permit a more refined estimate of
its speed potential.” And a review of
https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/USPHRF-Fleets-1.pdf shows
that most clubs derive handicaps from “the book,” then review
and adjust based on local experience.
So, how many of y’all do that?
Cheers,
Randy
On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Dear Sir,
RE: Randy Stafford S/V Grenadin C&C 30 MK I #79
LISTED as Hull #7
I have put in a request for an immediate PHRF review of
your boat. With over 70 shipyard refinements, it’s clear
now, why your boat is so fast, and only right that your
rating reflect the changes you failed to document. I
expect the board will want to question you very carefully
about the additional changes to your boat over and above
the documented 1972 norms. I have suggested that the
penalty not be limited to just changing a PHRF number, but
the monetary fine should reflect the price of the current
boat you have chosen to race. Perhaps if you raced a
newer more expensive boat, you would be disinclined to
perpetrate this excessive winning streak, which is
depressing both the local fleet and the attendance of
future sailors to the sport. You should hear from the
PHRF board by the end of the month.
Regretfully, Lee
Yea, cold and wet in Seattle
On Dec 12, 2019, at 2:31 09AM, Randy Stafford via
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers-
When I was buying my 30 MK I (HIN 30007972) four years
ago, I came to the conclusion she was hull number 7
laid up in September 1972, I think based on this old
post:
http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2012-April/044412.html.
Meanwhile a discussion arose recently in the Facebook
C&C Owners Group where a guy asked how to decode HIN
30002672. I emailed Rob Ball hoping for
clarification, and Rob referred me to Rob MacLachlan
of South Shore Yachts. Rob MacLachlan said
definitively I have hull #79, not hull #7. So the HIN
format C&C used before standardization on November 1st
1972 apparently didn’t include any digits indicating
the month in which the hull was laid up.
I’ll be damned, I said. All this time I thought I had
hull #7.
Rick Bushie on this list owns 30 MK I hull #1, and his
HIN plate says simply “30-1 1971N”.
Brian Buttigieg in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I
hull #5, he says, but hasn’t posted his HIN yet.
Jack Rousseau in the Facebook group owned 30 MK I hull
#8 and said it was made in 1971.
Sean Dillon in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull
#14 and says it’s a 1971 boat.
Ed Levert on this list owned hull #19 and thought it
was a 1971 boat.
The owners of HINs 30002672, 30005972, and 30009472
have also been heard from here or in the Facebook group.
Steve Guiney in the Facebook group owns hull #123 and
his HIN is CCY301231172 (CCY was later used by the
Rhode Island factory but it didn’t open until February
1976)
It seems clear that C&C changed 30 MK I HIN formats at
least twice over the production run. And I shall
change my email signature according to what I’ve learnt.
Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO
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