Gulf Yachting Association PHRF committee meets quarterly utilizing a board
of 5 local handicappers.  They review new boats, rating revision requests,
by-laws, etc.  Pretty much everything PHRF.  They also conduct an annual
review.  Here's the link to all the info.

http://www.gya.org/?page_id=306

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 4:37 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well Lee, since you bring up PHRF reviews, let me ask you listers, how
> often do your clubs or RSAs conduct rating reviews and adjustments?
>
> The introduction in “the book” (
> https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/) says
> under heading "Considerations when using this listing to determine a
> handicap by averaging fleet data” that "After the initial handicap is
> chosen and the boat is raced, an empirical analysis of performance may
> permit a more refined estimate of its speed potential.”  And a review of
> https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/USPHRF-Fleets-1.pdf shows
> that most clubs derive handicaps from “the book,” then review and adjust
> based on local experience.
>
> So, how many of y’all do that?
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> RE:  Randy Stafford  S/V Grenadin   C&C 30 MK I #79  LISTED as Hull #7
>
> I have put in a request for an immediate PHRF review of your boat.  With
> over 70 shipyard refinements, it’s clear now, why your boat is so fast, and
> only right that your rating reflect the changes you failed to document.  I
> expect the board will want to question you very carefully about the
> additional changes to your boat over and above the documented 1972 norms.
> I have suggested that the penalty not be limited to just changing a PHRF
> number, but the monetary fine should reflect the price of the current boat
> you have chosen to race.  Perhaps if you raced a newer more expensive boat,
> you would be disinclined to perpetrate this excessive winning streak, which
> is depressing both the local fleet and the attendance of future sailors to
> the sport.  You should hear from the PHRF board by the end of the month.
>
> Regretfully, Lee
> Yea, cold and wet in Seattle
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 2:31 09AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers-
>
> When I was buying my 30 MK I (HIN 30007972) four years ago, I came to the
> conclusion she was hull number 7 laid up in September 1972, I think based
> on this old post:
> http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2012-April/044412.html
> .
>
> Meanwhile a discussion arose recently in the Facebook C&C Owners Group
> where a guy asked how to decode HIN 30002672.  I emailed Rob Ball hoping
> for clarification, and Rob referred me to Rob MacLachlan of South Shore
> Yachts.  Rob MacLachlan said definitively I have hull #79, not hull #7.  So
> the HIN format C&C used before standardization on November 1st 1972
> apparently didn’t include any digits indicating the month in which the hull
> was laid up.
>
> I’ll be damned, I said.  All this time I thought I had hull #7.
>
> Rick Bushie on this list owns 30 MK I hull #1, and his HIN plate says
> simply “30-1 1971N”.
> Brian Buttigieg in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #5, he says, but
> hasn’t posted his HIN yet.
> Jack Rousseau in the Facebook group owned 30 MK I hull #8 and said it was
> made in 1971.
> Sean Dillon in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #14 and says it’s a
> 1971 boat.
> Ed Levert on this list owned hull #19 and thought it was a 1971 boat.
> The owners of HINs 30002672, 30005972, and 30009472 have also been heard
> from here or in the Facebook group.
> Steve Guiney in the Facebook group owns hull #123 and his HIN is
> CCY301231172 (CCY was later used by the Rhode Island factory but it didn’t
> open until February 1976)
>
> It seems clear that C&C changed 30 MK I HIN formats at least twice over
> the production run.  And I shall change my email signature according to
> what I’ve learnt.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
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