Our local PHRF (NC-PHRF) reviews (or at least looks at) the past year's racing results annually and hears appeals from racing skippers against other ratings or for their own rating. The committee is allowed and does make changes on their own as well at their 1st (of 4) meetings of the year, without necessarily having a rating protested. Further NC-PHRF is not based at any particular club but has representatives from all local clubs who have racers. I think as a result, the local racing scene has about as reasonable a PHRF rating set as is possible for a single rating for all wind conditions. Of course there are boats that do better in light air and others who don't, mine included! OTOH, in the 7-15 knots of wind, my 13,000 lb racer cruiser is competitive with boats of its size, including Beneteau 36.7, Chance 38, J-29, Sabre 362s, etc. Of course I don't always come in on top, but I am close enough to be competitive in winds above 6 knots against boats with similar ratings. It also took me several years to get my rating changed from its initial value of 92 in 1996 to its current, reasonable rating in my view of 120--first moved to 95, then 102, then 111 and finally 120. This is only true when my competition is has similar PHRFs and similar boats. I have no chance against Etchells who rate 120 locally or San Juan 21s who rate 242--especially when the SJ21s ONLY come out to compete when the wind is light! Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
-----Original Message----- From: David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: CnC discussion list CnC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2019 5:40 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my club in at least 10 years. Dave S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT On Dec 12, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Well Lee, since you bring up PHRF reviews, let me ask you listers, how often do your clubs or RSAs conduct rating reviews and adjustments? The introduction in “the book” (https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/) says under heading "Considerations when using this listing to determine a handicap by averaging fleet data” that "After the initial handicap is chosen and the boat is raced, an empirical analysis of performance may permit a more refined estimate of its speed potential.” And a review of https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/USPHRF-Fleets-1.pdf shows that most clubs derive handicaps from “the book,” then review and adjust based on local experience. So, how many of y’all do that? Cheers,Randy On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Dear Sir, RE: Randy Stafford S/V Grenadin C&C 30 MK I #79 LISTED as Hull #7 I have put in a request for an immediate PHRF review of your boat. With over 70 shipyard refinements, it’s clear now, why your boat is so fast, and only right that your rating reflect the changes you failed to document. I expect the board will want to question you very carefully about the additional changes to your boat over and above the documented 1972 norms. I have suggested that the penalty not be limited to just changing a PHRF number, but the monetary fine should reflect the price of the current boat you have chosen to race. Perhaps if you raced a newer more expensive boat, you would be disinclined to perpetrate this excessive winning streak, which is depressing both the local fleet and the attendance of future sailors to the sport. You should hear from the PHRF board by the end of the month. Regretfully, Lee Yea, cold and wet in Seattle On Dec 12, 2019, at 2:31 09AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Listers- When I was buying my 30 MK I (HIN 30007972) four years ago, I came to the conclusion she was hull number 7 laid up in September 1972, I think based on this old post: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2012-April/044412.html. Meanwhile a discussion arose recently in the Facebook C&C Owners Group where a guy asked how to decode HIN 30002672. I emailed Rob Ball hoping for clarification, and Rob referred me to Rob MacLachlan of South Shore Yachts. Rob MacLachlan said definitively I have hull #79, not hull #7. So the HIN format C&C used before standardization on November 1st 1972 apparently didn’t include any digits indicating the month in which the hull was laid up. I’ll be damned, I said. All this time I thought I had hull #7. Rick Bushie on this list owns 30 MK I hull #1, and his HIN plate says simply “30-1 1971N”.Brian Buttigieg in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #5, he says, but hasn’t posted his HIN yet.Jack Rousseau in the Facebook group owned 30 MK I hull #8 and said it was made in 1971.Sean Dillon in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #14 and says it’s a 1971 boat.Ed Levert on this list owned hull #19 and thought it was a 1971 boat.The owners of HINs 30002672, 30005972, and 30009472 have also been heard from here or in the Facebook group.Steve Guiney in the Facebook group owns hull #123 and his HIN is CCY301231172 (CCY was later used by the Rhode Island factory but it didn’t open until February 1976) It seems clear that C&C changed 30 MK I HIN formats at least twice over the production run. And I shall change my email signature according to what I’ve learnt. Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30 MK I #79Ken Caryl, CO_______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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