I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic differences in conditions they race in. San Francisco verses San Diego for example.
Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland Or On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:08 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I’m guessing most of the reviews are for boats with big changes in > performance. PHRF Chesapeake has done some, but not often. Looking around > the country, the 30-1, from hull number 1 (on the Chesapeake) to hull > numbers over 600 seem to have the same 174 handicap (mine is number 593 and > is 174 also). There may be exceptions, but I would doubt that Randy’s boat > (assuming it has not been modified in major ways) would prompt a review. > I’m not sure what one would do to a 30-1 to increase performance unless you > cut a bunch of weight off the keel – and that would decrease it’s > performance in heavy weather. At the Chesapeake rendezvous a couple months > ago, I got to look at Rick’s number 1 and it is very similar to my 593, > only differing is the area of chainplate attachments and some cabinet > doors. > > > > Gary Nylander > > > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *David > Knecht via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 5:40 PM > *To:* CnC discussion list CnC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments > > > > I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my club in at > least 10 years. Dave > > > > S/V Aries > > 1990 C&C 34+ > > New London, CT > > > > > On Dec 12, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Well Lee, since you bring up PHRF reviews, let me ask you listers, how > often do your clubs or RSAs conduct rating reviews and adjustments? > > > > The introduction in “the book” ( > https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/) says > under heading "Considerations when using this listing to determine a > handicap by averaging fleet data” that "After the initial handicap is > chosen and the boat is raced, an empirical analysis of performance may > permit a more refined estimate of its speed potential.” And a review of > https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/USPHRF-Fleets-1.pdf shows > that most clubs derive handicaps from “the book,” then review and adjust > based on local experience. > > > > So, how many of y’all do that? > > > > Cheers, > > Randy > > > > On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > RE: Randy Stafford S/V Grenadin C&C 30 MK I #79 LISTED as Hull #7 > > > > I have put in a request for an immediate PHRF review of your boat. With > over 70 shipyard refinements, it’s clear now, why your boat is so fast, and > only right that your rating reflect the changes you failed to document. I > expect the board will want to question you very carefully about the > additional changes to your boat over and above the documented 1972 norms. > I have suggested that the penalty not be limited to just changing a PHRF > number, but the monetary fine should reflect the price of the current boat > you have chosen to race. Perhaps if you raced a newer more expensive boat, > you would be disinclined to perpetrate this excessive winning streak, which > is depressing both the local fleet and the attendance of future sailors to > the sport. You should hear from the PHRF board by the end of the month. > > > > Regretfully, Lee > > Yea, cold and wet in Seattle > > > > On Dec 12, 2019, at 2:31 09AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Listers- > > > > When I was buying my 30 MK I (HIN 30007972) four years ago, I came to the > conclusion she was hull number 7 laid up in September 1972, I think based > on this old post: > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2012-April/044412.html > . > > > > Meanwhile a discussion arose recently in the Facebook C&C Owners Group > where a guy asked how to decode HIN 30002672. I emailed Rob Ball hoping > for clarification, and Rob referred me to Rob MacLachlan of South Shore > Yachts. Rob MacLachlan said definitively I have hull #79, not hull #7. So > the HIN format C&C used before standardization on November 1st 1972 > apparently didn’t include any digits indicating the month in which the hull > was laid up. > > > > I’ll be damned, I said. All this time I thought I had hull #7. > > > > Rick Bushie on this list owns 30 MK I hull #1, and his HIN plate says > simply “30-1 1971N”. > > Brian Buttigieg in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #5, he says, but > hasn’t posted his HIN yet. > > Jack Rousseau in the Facebook group owned 30 MK I hull #8 and said it was > made in 1971. > > Sean Dillon in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #14 and says it’s a > 1971 boat. > > Ed Levert on this list owned hull #19 and thought it was a 1971 boat. > > The owners of HINs 30002672, 30005972, and 30009472 have also been heard > from here or in the Facebook group. > > Steve Guiney in the Facebook group owns hull #123 and his HIN is > CCY301231172 (CCY was later used by the Rhode Island factory but it didn’t > open until February 1976) > > > > It seems clear that C&C changed 30 MK I HIN formats at least twice over > the production run. And I shall change my email signature according to > what I’ve learnt. > > > > Cheers, > > Randy Stafford > > S/V Grenadine > > C&C 30 MK I #79 > > Ken Caryl, CO > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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