Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Kendall Shaw writes: [...] > I spent years with the beginnings of carpal tunnel syndrome and tried > all sorts of changes, including using both hands. But, finally, I > started using viper mode (vi key bindings) and I have had no carpal > tunnel symptoms for 10 years. +1. I now use evil mode.

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

After a year and a half of use, I still don't know anything about C-h, I've gotten by for a year or so on 'M-x describe-bindings' and more ad-hoc methods of finding stuff out. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Devin Walters wrote: > I agree with you, but personally found that the starter-kit wasn

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

I agree with you, but personally found that the starter-kit wasn't as divergent from the norm as emacs-live and didn't have as many strong opinions. My big complaint is really just the rebinding of C-h. It's important for newcomers to be able to use that to learn about bindings and so on that ar

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Devin Walters writes: > Voicing strong disagreement with using emacs-live as a starting > point. One reason: They rebind a bunch of default emacs bindings, > which is just fine by me, but C-h to a newcomer is important, and IIRC > they rebound it. > > I think Phil's emacs-starter-kit modules/pack

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

On 5/1/2013 5:46 PM, James Thornton wrote: ... Before I realized my bad habit, I would contort my left hand to hit "Ctrl Alt x" -- this feels awkward and if you do it enough times over the years the repetitive stress builds up. A better way is to use both hands. This may seem obvious to those

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Voicing strong disagreement with using emacs-live as a starting point. One reason: They rebind a bunch of default emacs bindings, which is just fine by me, but C-h to a newcomer is important, and IIRC they rebound it. I think Phil's emacs-starter-kit modules/packages are a better place to start.

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I may try their Savant Elite product :))) Three pedals ! > On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:44:11 PM UTC-4, Luc wrote: > > > > > > I will eventually get back to it but reading your comment made me realize > > that I should > > wait when I can find emacs support for pedals much like an organ or a >

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:44:11 PM UTC-4, Luc wrote: > > > I will eventually get back to it but reading your comment made me realize > that I should > wait when I can find emacs support for pedals much like an organ or a > piano :) > > They've got pedals at wh

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Being left handed, I slightly disagree about your left hand (I'm left handed most of the time :) however the stress of repetive movements is often overlooked. 15 years ago, I started to use my left hand to control the mouse. My trunk had started leaning toward the right after a few years of using

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Here's a key Emacs tip that will reduce your stress and make the key combinations easier, but it may not be obvious when you're first starting out... When you're learning something new, it's easy for bad form to go unnoticed unless someone points it out -- this is true in golf, tennis, Emacs, o

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Ulises writes: > Because it's part of slime is why I was wondering whether it was > already there and I had just missed it. IIRC the implementation in swank-clojure is basically just grep that works inside jar files; it gives you lots of false positives when functions have the same name. It wou

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Because it's part of slime is why I was wondering whether it was already there and I had just missed it. grep will do for now I suppose. On 1 May 2013 12:44, Víctor M. Valenzuela wrote: > I think such a feature is available in common lisp's slime. It shouldn't be > hard to implement in clojure,

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

I think such a feature is available in common lisp's slime. It shouldn't be hard to implement in clojure, particularly considering how helpful namespaces are. one would miss calls through eval etc, but that happens in statically-typed langs too (think reflection). On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM,

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Without static typing, I guess grep is the best? On 1 May 2013 12:13, Ulises wrote: > > The biggest 'ah - got it' for me was when I realised IDEs are great for > navigating huge object models which are relatively narrow but deep (i.e. > lots of nested relationships). This requires a special se

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

> The biggest 'ah - got it' for me was when I realised IDEs are great for > navigating huge object models which are relatively narrow but deep (i.e. lots > of nested relationships). This requires a special set of navigation skills > (cntrl-click to go to declaration, autocompletion etc). Cloju

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> > My constant frustration now is deciding whether to spend the time > improving my emacs skills (at the level of mainly implementing keybindings) > or improving my lein and Clojure skills. > One skill can help bootstrapping the other :) clojure.core/trampoline style. Thanks for sharing your exp

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So a few months after using emacs, I gotta say I love it. First I absolutely hated it with a passion, and it really highlights my (fast but) poor typing skills :). Like Clojure I guess it requires a very different mindset. My constant frustration now is deciding whether to spend the time imp

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+1 for ECB. Especially alexott's work. I have been using ecb for over a year now and I can assure you it's totally awesome. Nothing beats it in emacs when it comes to exploring source code directory structure. you need it. With eshell integrated to switch automatically to your working director

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Actually, that still didn't seem to work. After a bit of fiddling, I found that if I install sr-speedbar from melpa, it spits out a couple of warnings, thinks it is installed, but I don't get any sr-speedbar commands. Strange. I'll stick to just downloading the package from http://www.emacswiki.

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Phillip - thanks, that works nicely. (I had gotten it working by downloading sr-speedbar.el manually and editing it, but I prefer to stick with the packaged version if possible, less for me to remember) - Korny On 25 January 2013 00:38, Phillip Lord wrote: > > > make-local-hook has been depr

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

make-local-hook has been deprecated for a while now and has now been removed. In general, you can just ignore it and everything will work correctly. So: (defalias 'make-local-hook 'ignore) before you load anything should solve this problem. Whether any other problems remain, I don't know. K

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

On 17 January 2013 17:26, Sean Corfield wrote: > Error: Symbol's function definition is void: make-local-hook bump - anyone know a workaround for this - I was interested in sr-speedbar, especially for editing over an ssh session, but it doesn't seem to work with emacs 24? - Korny -- Korneli

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

I've been using projectile for project-level commands, and found it quite good - it autodetects project root from things like .git directories, and then gives you commands like "open file in project", "search in project" etc. - Korny -- Sent from my geek device... Spelling mistakes can be blamed o

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Another thing, that I want to mention, that some work for support of Clojure in CEDET already started: - there is lein project type for EDE, that automatically recognizes lein projects, and uses lein to fetch classpath information, that can be used for name completion (after parser will be ready).

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Phil Hagelberg wrote: > cl.el ships with emacs and is widely used. OK, so I shouldn't worry about this warning when I install a package then? Warning: cl package required at runtime I've seen that a couple of times and assumed it meant cl was not installed (and

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

On Jan 16, 2013 6:50 PM, "Sean Corfield" wrote: > sr-speedbar seems to depend on the CL package being present? Not sure > I want to have that installed... I seem to recall cautions from > several folks about that...? cl.el ships with emacs and is widely used. Writing elisp without it is extremely

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

The traditional project explorer / directory tree I use is dirtree: https://github.com/zkim/emacs-dirtree - with a couple of tweaks I found it to be very useful. It is based on tree-mode. There are other available file browser plugins based on it. -- You received this message because you are

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As a long time Eclipse user who dabbles with Clojure using CCW, I'd love to hear your experience of emacs after you get used to it. Would you consider writing up a blog entry? On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:29:36 AM UTC-8, Colin Yates wrote: > > Hi all, > > After 15 off years of using IDEs I

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

sr-speedbar seems to depend on the CL package being present? Not sure I want to have that installed... I seem to recall cautions from several folks about that...? Sean On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM, localredhead wrote: > +1 sr-speedbar for NERDTree like functionality. Normal speedbar being a

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

+1 sr-speedbar for NERDTree like functionality. Normal speedbar being a different window always bothered me. sr-speedbar + find-files-in-project is a pretty powerful combo. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:50:59 PM UTC-8, Gary Johnson wrote: > > There's a MELPA package (use `M-x package-list-

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Alex - I recognized your name in this thread but couldn't pinpoint how/where. You just reminded me that I'm using your ECB fork. Thanks for pulling that together :) On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:14:11 AM UTC-8, Alex Ott wrote: > > just want to say, that ECB that works with fresh Emacs/CEDE

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

There's a MELPA package (use `M-x package-list-packages') called sr-speedbar that displays the speedbar in the same frame you are already working in. I just stick sr-speedbar-toggle on F11 and call it a day. YMMV. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:45:35 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote: > > On Wed,

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

just want to say, that ECB that works with fresh Emacs/CEDET is available from my repo: https://github.com/alexott/ecb On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM, localredhead wrote: > ECB is another option. It shows the directory tree, methods/functions, > altered files (waiting to be saved) etc. > > I ge

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

ECB is another option. It shows the directory tree, methods/functions, altered files (waiting to be saved) etc. I get the sense that people avoid ECB but I've always used because it had IDE-like functionality that I missed. Configuring it can be a bit difficult but IMO worth it. I preferred i

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On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Phil Hagelberg wrote: > Of course the best solution is simply not to work on large projects and > break your codebase up into manageable units where you can keep the > project structure in your head, but I understand this isn't always > within your control. Our C

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Amirouche Boubekki wrote: >> - is there a decent project explorer. I really miss the "tree on the >> left, editor on the right" layout > speedbar: «C-X speedbar» M-x speedbar - but that looks very interesting, thank you! It's kinda funky in full-screen mode on M

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

> - is there a decent project explorer. I really miss the "tree on the left, editor on the right" layout Emacs is my favorite editor. But it is not perfect. My thoughts from my 8 years of using it are: 1. It is very customizable, as it builds on Elisp. After you learned some Elisp programmi

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Colin Yates writes: > So my questions: > - is there a decent project explorer. I really miss the "tree on the > left, editor on the right" layout Personally I believe this is an antipattern; IMO you should only see the file structure it is relevant rather than the speedbar style of having it

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > I'm starting off with 24, so not sure what was default in 23… but C-x C-f in > 24 lets you fuzzy match to a particular directory, then type a file name. And if you've typed a new filename and it still tries to match an existing file, use C

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Thanks a bunch. On 16 Jan 2013 16:34, "Amirouche Boubekki" wrote: > Great! emacs is my favorite editor, I used it for many years now except > for Java dev because I'm too lazy to configure intelli-sens... In the > following there is all I *use* in emacs and which make you ready to use > emacs - a

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Great! emacs is my favorite editor, I used it for many years now except for Java dev because I'm too lazy to configure intelli-sens... In the following there is all I *use* in emacs and which make you ready to use emacs - as I am - daily. I use emacs 24 and the following only needs a vanilla emacs

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Thanks all. LightTable does look awesome and I haven't invested enough time to fully get to grips with it yet, but I am not sure it would be an upgrade for me (wow - I am really going with the flame bait today!). Coming from IntelliJ, which is a pretty fantastic general (i.e. Java, scala, clojure

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

> I'm starting off with 24, so not sure what was default in 23… but C-x C-f > in 24 lets you fuzzy match to a particular directory, then type a file > name. The minibuffer alerts you to the fact that there's no match, but you > simply hit return, then return again to confirm, and the new file

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Just a few things, you might find interesting * anything/helm: http://www.emacswiki.org/Anything * speedbar (used that in my early years; got rid of it eventually) * mtorus: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MTorus (shameless self-plug) * M-. on functions * M-x ffap * iswitchb-buffer (just keep the b

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Regarding the explorer, I keep several "frames" open (a "frame" is the word that Emacs uses for "window" -- I keep several windows open) and in one of those windows I'll keep my bookmarks (a bookmark is an alias you can use in Emacs to jump to any location in any file). But I also feel that Emacs

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Hi: I use Everything to find files in project. Just type a part of the name, all files filter by your typing listed for you to choose from. Something like Eclipse's Ctrl +Shift + R (or Command + Shift + R on mac) . But you need some time to

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On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Marko Topolnik wrote: > > I missed the project explorer at first, until I figured out that I can > C-x C-f and just start typing, and emacs will fuzzy match what I might > be looking for, including files in directories other than current. > > This function is co

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> I missed the project explorer at first, until I figured out that I can > C-x C-f and just start typing, and emacs will fuzzy match what I might > be looking for, including files in directories other than current. > This function is contributed by some package and is not the default, at lea

Re: emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

emacs-live is a pretty great starting point. It's the 'whole-kitchen-sink', but it's great for finding out what you don't know. emacs-rocks videos are good (and short) I also put off learning it until late last year, and I'm not completely converted. I *love* it and would be very unhappy if I did

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Thanks Alex. Charlie - I hear you. You are right to (very gently) point out that I should embrace new idioms. Boy it is hard though :). I have to say that I too found it much less of a shock then I thought. I am very familiar with Linux and shell scripts so I had that skillset already which I

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On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Colin Yates wrote: > Hi all, > > After 15 off years of using IDEs I am making the jump into Emacs. I have > read http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Getting+Started+with+Emacs and > https://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit and I am just at the point > whe

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you can install autocomplete package (available via package.el on MELPA) - it will provide dictionary based name completion for JS On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Colin Yates wrote: > Hi all, > > After 15 off years of using IDEs I am making the jump into Emacs. I have > read http://dev.clojure.

emacs - how to wean me off the family of Java IDEs

Hi all, After 15 off years of using IDEs I am making the jump into Emacs. I have read http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Getting+Started+with+Emacs and https://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit and I am just at the point where I have stopped yelling at paredit and starting to appreciate