Voicing strong disagreement with using emacs-live as a starting point. One reason: They rebind a bunch of default emacs bindings, which is just fine by me, but C-h to a newcomer is important, and IIRC they rebound it.
I think Phil's emacs-starter-kit modules/packages are a better place to start. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Jay Fields wrote: > emacs-live is a pretty great starting point. It's the > 'whole-kitchen-sink', but it's great for finding out what you don't > know. > > emacs-rocks videos are good (and short) > > I also put off learning it until late last year, and I'm not > completely converted. I *love* it and would be very unhappy if I > didn't have it. > > I missed the project explorer at first, until I figured out that I can > C-x C-f and just start typing, and emacs will fuzzy match what I might > be looking for, including files in directories other than current. > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com > (mailto:colin.ya...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > Thanks Alex. > > > > Charlie - I hear you. You are right to (very gently) point out that I > > should embrace new idioms. Boy it is hard though :). I have to say that I > > too found it much less of a shock then I thought. I am very familiar with > > Linux and shell scripts so I had that skillset already which I think helps > > the with the paradigm shift. > > > > I accept your (implicit) challenge - let's continue without a project > > explorer :) > > > > > > On 16 January 2013 14:42, Charlie Griefer <charlie.grie...@gmail.com > > (mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com > > > (mailto:colin.ya...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > After 15 off years of using IDEs I am making the jump into Emacs. I have > > > read http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Getting+Started+with+Emacs and > > > https://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit and I am just at the > > > point > > > where I have stopped yelling at paredit and starting to appreciate its > > > point. > > > > > > My current major stumbling block though is navigating my project. Whilst > > > (I expect) the density and sane namespacing capabilities of Clojure to > > > significantly reduce the number of files, that isn't true of everything. > > > In > > > particular, ExtJS encourages you to follow the "one file per class". You > > > don't have to but eventually you will have more than a handful of files > > > regardless. > > > > > > So my questions: > > > - is there a decent project explorer. I really miss the "tree on the > > > left, editor on the right" layout > > > - is there a decent JS and clojure autocompletion aware plugin > > > - other than paredit, nrepl and clojure-mode (and the excellent > > > coffee-mode for coffeescript), what other plugins should I install > > > > > > > > > Hi Colin: > > > > > > No real answers, but I wanted to chime in to say that I'm in the same > > > spot. I had been putting off using Emacs until I felt I was "ready", but > > > then came to realize that the choice to use Emacs is like the choice to > > > have > > > kids. If you wait until you're "ready", you'll never do it. > > > > > > This is week 2 and it's definitely getting better, altho truth be told it > > > wasn't nearly as bad last week as I expected it would be. Been working on > > > the desktop with a cheat sheet constantly open on my laptop next to me. > > > > > > I also miss the project explorer. I'm used to working with multiple files > > > at once, having them open in tabs, and being able to easily switch back > > > and > > > forth between any of them. I've definitely found that to be a bit jarring > > > in > > > Emacs, but trust that at some point I'll get used to the "Emacs way" > > > versus > > > trying to find a plugin to provide a project explorer. I have to remind > > > myself that all of the files that I'm working with are there, they're just > > > not immediately visible. M-x B will let me go thru the list of files open > > > in > > > buffers, even if those buffers aren't visible. It's different, but that's > > > where the trust comes in :) > > > > > > The biggest issue I find with the lack of a project explorer is when I > > > don't know what directory a particular file is in. Emacs provides great > > > autocompletion when you're navigating to a particular file in the > > > minibuffer, but that presumes you know exactly where the file is. > > > > > > I suppose there's always the option of opening a dired buffer (M-x dired) > > > or even a shell (M-x shell). That's still not as "easy" or visual as a > > > directory tree, but I think the big issue is that Emacs is really all > > > about > > > keeping your hands on the (proper) keys. A shell at least lets you > > > continue > > > to type your way around your directory structure to locate a file. A > > > directory tree/project explorer would likely require grabbing the mouse > > > and > > > clicking down into various directories. It's what we're used to, yes… but > > > it's not really, um… idiomatic Emacs :D > > > > > > -- > > > Charlie Griefer > > > http://charlie.griefer.com > > > > > > "Give light, and the darkness will disappear of itself." > > > -- Desiderius Erasmus > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > > (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) > > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > > your first post. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > > first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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