Thanks Alex. Charlie - I hear you. You are right to (very gently) point out that I should embrace new idioms. Boy it is hard though :). I have to say that I too found it much less of a shock then I thought. I am very familiar with Linux and shell scripts so I had that skillset already which I think helps the with the paradigm shift.
I accept your (implicit) challenge - let's continue without a project explorer :) On 16 January 2013 14:42, Charlie Griefer <charlie.grie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > After 15 off years of using IDEs I am making the jump into Emacs. I have > read http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Getting+Started+with+Emacs and > https://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit and I am just at the > point where I have stopped yelling at paredit and starting to appreciate > its point. > > My current major stumbling block though is navigating my project. Whilst > (I expect) the density and sane namespacing capabilities of Clojure to > significantly reduce the number of files, that isn't true of everything. > In particular, ExtJS encourages you to follow the "one file per class". > You don't have to but eventually you will have more than a handful of > files regardless. > > So my questions: > - is there a decent project explorer. I really miss the "tree on the > left, editor on the right" layout > - is there a decent JS and clojure autocompletion aware plugin > - other than paredit, nrepl and clojure-mode (and the excellent > coffee-mode for coffeescript), what other plugins should I install > > > Hi Colin: > > No real answers, but I wanted to chime in to say that I'm in the same > spot. I had been putting off using Emacs until I felt I was "ready", but > then came to realize that the choice to use Emacs is like the choice to > have kids. If you wait until you're "ready", you'll never do it. > > This is week 2 and it's definitely getting better, altho truth be told it > wasn't nearly as bad last week as I expected it would be. Been working on > the desktop with a cheat sheet constantly open on my laptop next to me. > > I also miss the project explorer. I'm used to working with multiple files > at once, having them open in tabs, and being able to easily switch back and > forth between any of them. I've definitely found that to be a bit jarring > in Emacs, but trust that at some point I'll get used to the "Emacs way" > versus trying to find a plugin to provide a project explorer. I have to > remind myself that all of the files that I'm working with are there, > they're just not immediately visible. M-x B will let me go thru the list of > files open in buffers, even if those buffers aren't visible. It's > different, but that's where the trust comes in :) > > The biggest issue I find with the lack of a project explorer is when I > don't know what directory a particular file is in. Emacs provides great > autocompletion when you're navigating to a particular file in the > minibuffer, but that presumes you know exactly where the file is. > > I suppose there's always the option of opening a dired buffer (M-x dired) > or even a shell (M-x shell). That's still not as "easy" or visual as a > directory tree, but I think the big issue is that Emacs is really all about > keeping your hands on the (proper) keys. A shell at least lets you continue > to type your way around your directory structure to locate a file. A > directory tree/project explorer would likely require grabbing the mouse and > clicking down into various directories. It's what we're used to, yes… but > it's not really, um… idiomatic Emacs :D > > -- > Charlie Griefer > <http://charlie.griefer.com>http://charlie.griefer.com > > "Give light, and the darkness will disappear of itself." > -- Desiderius Erasmus > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
