RE: 5.25 floppies that read but don't write

Thanks Chuck. Looks like you are on to something, I'll search in this direction. Unlikely it has anything to do with the disks themselves, which were blank. The 500 kHz write signal present on the connector just doesn't make it to the head, whereas the 300 kHz does. On the other handm something alo

Cheap board guy

I have the following from the gold scrapper guy so far... Great tip. Wonder if anyone else partook of the tipoff. Thanks Jim http://jimsoldtoys.blogspot.com/2015/08/dec-boards-kdj11-2-kdf11-and-motorola.html

Symbolics system board and host Mac

I was going to play dumb and hope this didn't go nuts in price but it did. Anyone here bidding? I'd be interested in one of these just to play with, but will probably try to use the emulator if I ever get the chance to get into it more. VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-LISP-MACHINE-MACIVORY-III-AP

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

I had the privilege of visiting what Nico calls a 'museum-to-be' yesterday evening, and it is far more than most of what I've seen! They have a very substantial collection of all sorts of systems, peripherals and documentation, including a GIER from ca. 1962 that I saw (and heard) run. As a debugg

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

I'm sure its very intersting. The website is designed for domestic consumption only as its all in Danish. Rod On 21/08/2015 11:27, Ian S. King wrote: I had the privilege of visiting what Nico calls a 'museum-to-be' yesterday evening, and it is far more than most of what I've seen! They have a

Re: 8-inch alignment floppy wanted

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:02 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > > Does anyone have a spare 8-inch alignment floppy they'd be willing to > sell? I'd prefer a double-sided one, but even a single-sided would be > better than nothing. You can get new ones from www.accurite.com if you can't find a used one.

RE: out-of-mainstream minis

Google Translate does a reasonable job... http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdatamuseum.dk%2Fddhf-samlinger&edit-text=&act=url Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Sm

Re: Cheap board guy

Wow, he's found some great stuff! He also has that same floppy drive tower that I posted about a while back. His even has the wood top! On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 2:13 AM, jim s wrote: > > I have the following from the gold scrapper guy so far... > Great tip. Wonder if anyone else partook of the t

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

Hi Yes I know, but its not the norm to link from an English language email to a site in another language with no warning. I suppose they think everybody speaks Danish. You could be heading into some real dark places without knowing. Rule 16b never logon to a site you cant read. Rod On 21

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

On 2015-08-21 10:30 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Hi Yes I know, but its not the norm to link from an English language email to a site in another language with no warning. I suppose they think everybody speaks Danish. You could be heading into some real dark places without knowing. Rule 16b never l

maybe OT: Powerbook 5300 OS upgrade

Greetings! I know that many of my posts to this list tend to be on the fringes of what is normally discussed here. I apologize in advance if this is too new for the group. I am trying to get my Powerbook 5300 up and running as a usable word processor (with portable printer) for school and for ema

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

Yes indeed "danger wears a coat of many colours" Rod On 21/08/2015 15:45, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-08-21 10:30 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Hi Yes I know, but its not the norm to link from an English language email to a site in another language with no warning. I suppose they think everybody s

Re: maybe OT: Powerbook 5300 OS upgrade

Does the 5300 have SCSI? An external CD drive would be one option. Also, if there's enough HD space (and you're patient enough for the transfer) you could set up a Telnet connection and file share. -C On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Joe Giliberti wrote: > Greetings! > > I know that many of my p

Re: maybe OT: Powerbook 5300 OS upgrade

Hi Joe, System 8 and subsequent were only available on CD-ROM. I think newest you can get on floppies is 7.5.3 or 7.5.5. You should be able to do the installation no problem with an external [Apple] SCSI CD-ROM. Might also work from a Localtalk share, if you have another Mac available? I don't kno

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay. I ended up removing the password and posting it on my website. That's called "stealing". The more of it turned fr

Re: maybe OT: Powerbook 5300 OS upgrade

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Joe Giliberti wrote: > > Greetings! > > I know that many of my posts to this list tend to be on the fringes of what > is normally discussed here. I apologize in advance if this is too new for > the group. > > I am trying to get my Powerbook 5300 up and running as

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

Copyright violation is not theft. ... The PDF "sellers" are not selling their property; they are selling right-to-copy. And "escorts" aren't hookers because they sell their time, not the sex, right?

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's called "stealing". The person I had to buy the CD from off of ebay wasn't authorized to sell it. They're "authorized service center employees" (often times in Russia) that have access to special web portals of all the service documents. They then sell them. *Shrug* I bought the manua

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's called "stealing". The person I had to buy the CD from off of ebay wasn't authorized to sell it. That's a cop-out. "Someone else did it first" doesn't change the law. and freed it "Freed" is a euphemism. I'm not saying you should be in federal lock-up with Jared from Subway. :

Vintage Software Copyright

This discussion on the legality of sharing manuals, PDFs, etc. leads me to think about the vintage computing hobby as a whole. While we all encourage the hobby to grow, the downside is that as it does, the software copyright holders may start to take notice. As a developer of modern systems wh

Re: R: DECdatasystem 534 (11/34) and VT52 for sale at VCF Midwest 10

The VT52 and DECdatasystem are spoken for. Please, no more offers. On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 3:59 PM, william degnan wrote: > Working on my vt50 yesterday. 50 and 52's are nice giant glass terminal > replacements to asr33. From the perspective of the teletype small, zenith > 19 or vt100, huge!

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 2015-08-21 17:21, Peter Cetinski wrote: This discussion on the legality of sharing manuals, PDFs, etc. leads me to think about the vintage computing hobby as a whole. While we all encourage the hobby to grow, the downside is that as it does, the software copyright holders may start to take

Re: maybe OT: Powerbook 5300 OS upgrade

I guess I'll be trolling ebay for a bit for a drive. Thanks Guys! On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > On Aug 21, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Joe Giliberti wrote: > > > > Greetings! > > > > I know that many of my posts to this list tend to be on the fringes of > what > > is normal

RS-232 Tx / Rx monitoring LEDs?

I was going to add something but it has already been said several times. I will add that if using a LED on an AC like signal of high voltage, one should use a diode. I recommend using a shunt diode rather than a series diode when high voltages are being dropped by the resistor. It reduces the need

RE: RS-232 Tx / Rx monitoring LEDs?

> for a high voltage diode but makes the resistor hotter. > Some red LEDs glow orange when not protected from 12VAC. I discovered (over 35 years ago) that green LEDs glow orange if massively overcurrented (you know what I mean). No they don't last long like that. It doesn't appear to be a thermal

Re: RS-232 Tx / Rx monitoring LEDs?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:36 AM, dwight wrote: > I was going to add something but it has already been > said several times. > I will add that if using a LED on an AC like signal of high voltage, > one should use a diode. > I recommend using a shunt diode rather than a series diode when > high vol

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

> That's a cop-out. "Someone else did it first" doesn't change the law. In the general case both of the parties involved are breaking copyright law, and the injured party is whoever holds the copyright (which isn't likely to be the seller or the buyer in this case). In this specific case though,

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > On 2015-08-21 17:21, Peter Cetinski wrote: >> This discussion on the legality of sharing manuals, PDFs, etc. leads me to >> think about the vintage computing hobby as a whole. While we all encourage >> the hobby to grow, the downside

Re: Cheap board guy

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 2:13 AM, jim s wrote: > > I have the following from the gold scrapper guy so far... > Great tip. Wonder if anyone else partook of the tipoff. I did not, but I looked at some things long and hard. I was staring at the A614 trying to figure out which analog card it was (th

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 2015-08-21 17:42, Paul Koning wrote: On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-08-21 17:21, Peter Cetinski wrote: This discussion on the legality of sharing manuals, PDFs, etc. leads me to think about the vintage computing hobby as a whole. While we all encourage the

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

As a musician sometimes the bar pays the ASCAP fees sometimes they don't but at least there is a way to compensate the song copyright owner when a band plays a cover song on stage at a bar. I wonder if some sort of ASCAP for out of print manuals could workthis way owners could register their m

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

> This discussion on the legality of sharing manuals, PDFs, etc. leads me to t$ Personally, I'm ambivalent about it. Or, more precisely, my opinion varies depending on factors not stated in what you wrote. > I know some generous copyright owners have allowed unrestricted use > of their old softw

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

In this specific case though, as it's an HP manual, if it's one of the ones that went with Agilent (now Keysight) then they seem to have an enlightened attitude and make their old manuals available and also point to a whole bunch of other places that do the same. So they may well be OK with someon

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

>> Copyright violation is not theft. ... The PDF "sellers" are not >> selling their property; they are selling right-to-copy. (A perhaps better way for me to have phrased that might be, they are selling right-of-access to their (intellectual) property.) > And "escorts" aren't hookers because they

Re: RS-232 Tx / Rx monitoring LEDs?

On 08/21/2015 08:36 AM, dwight wrote: I was going to add something but it has already been said several times. I will add that if using a LED on an AC like signal of high voltage, one should use a diode. I recommend using a shunt diode rather than a series diode when high voltages are being dropp

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay. I ended up removing the password and posting it on my website. That's c

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 2015-08-21 17:52, et...@757.org wrote: There is also - to me! - a difference between something like ripping off a manual and redistributing it with the "justification" of "they did it first" or "they did worse", on the one hand, or keeping a private archive of such things, to make sure the inf

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, william degnan wrote: As a musician sometimes the bar pays the ASCAP fees sometimes they don't but at least there is a way to compensate the song copyright owner when a band plays a cover song on stage at a bar. I wonder if some sort of ASCAP for out of print manuals could

Re: Cheap board guy

> From: Ethan Dicks > That looks like a great haul. We're talking about the guy on eBay whom I posted a pointer to a couple of days back, the one with large lots of QBUS CPUs, memory, DLV11s, etc? > I hope they are working cards. All the ones I've gotten from the guy above which I w

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

There is also - to me! - a difference between something like ripping off a manual and redistributing it with the "justification" of "they did it first" or "they did worse", on the one hand, or keeping a private archive of such things, to make sure the information is not actually lost for the futur

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

>> There is also - to me! - a difference between something like ripping >> off a manual and redistributing it [and] keeping a private archive >> of such things, to make sure the information is not [lost] > Why private? More risk of loss if it isn't distributed. What Johnny said, essentially: it's

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? On 21/08/2015 17:25, Mouse wrote: There is also - to me! - a difference between something like ripping off a manual and redistributing it [and] keeping a private archive of such things, to make sure the information is not [lost] Why private?

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > > So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? The same as any other copyright. It depends on the country, but in general the answer is "very long". In the USA, recently copyrights have been extended repeatedly, in what has b

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the manuals for it. How the manuals are obtained is open to debate but not if you have the right to own them. Rod On 21/08/2015 17:00, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service ma

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

It's a balance between data being lost, and violating copyrights. I am sortof aligned with der Mouse here. If I have something that is copyrighted, I do not want to contribute to spreading it without permissions. But I also do not want it to be lost. Many times it is things which I do have legal

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Yes OK and "very long" would be? On 21/08/2015 18:03, Paul Koning wrote: On Aug 21, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? The same as any other copyright. It depends on the country, but in general the answer is "very long". In the USA,

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Wikipedia has a lot more detail, but from what it says, in the USA the answer is 75 years from publication, if copyright was in effect at the beginning of 1978 or if the work was created since then. paul > On Aug 21, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > Yes OK and "very long"

RE: More on manuals plus rescue

> If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the > manuals for it. > How the manuals are obtained is open to debate but not if you have the > right to own them. I would agree (although doubtless lawyers wouldn't :-)). A problem, though is when a service or technical manual wa

RE: Vintage Software Copyright

> Yes OK and "very long" would be? I am pretty sure that the original software for EDSAC would still be under copyright -tony

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 2015-08-21 19:18, Paul Koning wrote: Wikipedia has a lot more detail, but from what it says, in the USA the answer is 75 years from publication, if copyright was in effect at the beginning of 1978 or if the work was created since then. I believe the USA signed the Berne convention (althoug

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 08/21/2015 10:11 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Yes OK and "very long" would be? It varies by country. In the case of the USA, 95 years from publication (for older works) Other countries employ the author's life+x years (usually 50 or 70)--live to a ripe old age and your copyright can run fo

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

Excellent! EEC (Europe) is 70 years from the death of a known author or 70 years from publication if the author is unknown On 21/08/2015 18:19, tony duell wrote: If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the manuals for it. How the manuals are obtained is

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

And... We have a new question. What would have been the first piece of copyrightable software? Rod On 21/08/2015 18:31, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/21/2015 10:11 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Yes OK and "very long" would be? It varies by country. In the case of the USA, 95 years from pu

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? You're going to die before it expires. Quite possibly your grand children as well. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/c

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/21/2015 10:11 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Yes OK and "very long" would be? It varies by country. In the case of the USA, 95 years from publication (for older works) Other countries employ the author's life+x years (usually 50 or 70)--live to a r

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, et...@757.org wrote: I *DO* have friends that are interested in vintage computing but work in jobs where any copying of any software that isn't strictly allowed by law is a no-no, and they're pretty much stuck. Own a couple of computers but can't do much because it's diffi

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/2015 10:27 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > And I don't know much about anything for non-DEC stuff. So while I hope > there are copies of stuff around, think some before redistributing it. > > Johnny > Some other licenses (or lack thereof) that make software readily available that I

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 08/21/2015 10:41 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Excellent! EEC (Europe) is 70 years from the death of a known author or 70 years from publication if the author is unknown This leads to some interesting situations. Archibald Joyce wrote his "Autumn Dreams" waltz in 1908 and it has been reported t

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

My email wasn't 'go look at this site', it was 'I visited these nice people' with the link as a courtesy. What 'norm'? On Aug 21, 2015 4:51 PM, "Rod Smallwood" wrote: > Yes indeed "danger wears a coat of many colours" > > Rod > > > On 21/08/2015 15:45, Toby Thain wrote: > >> On 2015-08-21 10:30

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's a fundamentally dishonest bit of oratory.

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Wanted to add that my opinion of "freeing" manuals, etc. does not mean I am against Bitsavers or Internet Archive -- work that's done the right way by professionals. My main gripe is when an individual takes something that is still actively * for sale * (by the original developer, no less) and

Re: Cheap board guy

Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:54:52AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Ethan Dicks > > > That looks like a great haul. > > We're talking about the guy on eBay whom I posted a pointer to a couple of > days back, the one with large lots of QBUS CPUs, memory, DLV11s, etc? > > > I

De-yellowing

Going to be de-yellowing a //e Platinum this weekend. Check out this picture of the top cover. You can see the non-yellowed part on bottom. Big difference! I'll post "after" pictures. http://snarc.net/yellowing.jpg

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, et...@757.org wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 2015-08-21 20:09, Evan Koblentz wrote: That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's a f

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 2015-08-21 20:31, Ian Finder wrote: I should add- although I thought this was obvious, some people here take pedantry to the next level: *** I am strictly referring to software which is no longer generally available commercially, which is the 98% case for the software for our machines.

Re: Cheap board guy

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mark G. Thomas wrote: > I picked up a bunch of the boards too. My results have been mixed, but > for the price and description, I expected some wouldn't work. Sure. > 1x M8028 - DLV11-F SLU works. > 1x Plessey 32kW memory, works. > 2x M8186-YA - KDF11-AA, works.

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

I think in response to sharing bits, a "better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission" policy is as best as can be done, otherwise the hobby is completely doomed. I like how archive.org deals with it. If someone wants something taken down, do it by all means! Many current rights holders

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

Sigh. I'm just going to leave these here... Release of copyright http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download&file=Tektronix/Tektronix_-_Miscelaneous/Tek_Copyright_Release.pdf Tektronix Policy on Copying of Out-of-date Materials http://www.tek.com/dl/Tektronix_Policy_on_Copying.pdf

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

I should add- although I thought this was obvious, some people here take pedantry to the next level: *** I am strictly referring to software which is no longer generally available commercially, which is the 98% case for the software for our machines. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2015

Re: maybe OT: Powerbook 5300 OS upgrade

Yesterday I sent a power book 5300 to recycling. The display hinge was quite broken, it was given to me a while ago and I didn't see accomplishing anything with it. What's still kicking around here is: - the funky special HDI30-to-SCSI-DB25 adapter to get from the 5300 to normal SCSI

RE: More on manuals plus rescue

> > I write for a (meager) living. If someone were to take my work and > decide for themselves that it should be online for free, then they ARE > stealing from me. That is reality, not the semantics of case law. I am not convinced they are stealing from you. Depriving you of income, sure. But no

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

I would hazard a guess, Johnny, that whatever PDP-11 software you're referring to is *indeed* well under 2% of the body of all the copyrighted software ever written for computers we consider "vintage." But if you'd like to maintain your tunnel vision on your specific interests and cases, that's

Re: Cheap board guy

> From: Mark G. Thomas > 4x M8192 - KDJ11 (AA or AB?) -- two work, two fail POST And alas, we don't seem to have any prints for that card (although we do have what amounts to a tech manual, so maybe we can create a set, with a certain amount of tracing with an ohmmeter), so at the moment,

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/15 10:58 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: And probably many many more. CHM has educational non-commercal agreements for the following: Apollo software from HP 68K based 9000 software from HP 21xx/1000 software from HP BTOS from Unisys Alto software from Xerox PARC And there are a string of s

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

>> That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as oth$ Please don't misquote me. That was not all one line when I wrote it, it was not all one line when I saw it come back on the list, and it was not all one line when someone else quoted it; for you to quote it that way i

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 21 August 2015 at 14:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: > This leads to some interesting situations. Archibald Joyce wrote his > "Autumn Dreams" waltz in 1908 and it has been reported to be the tune the > orchestra was playing as the Titanic sank in 1912 (contrary to popular > belief, it is extremely unli

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

So when is the scanning party? -- Ethan O'Toole

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 08/21/2015 01:49 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: You want fun with music copyrights? Please go look at the IMSLP project. Here's their page on how copyrights work with regards to the sheet music/scores they are archiving: I'm very, very familiar wi

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: And... We have a new question. What would have been the first piece of copyrightable software? Combined with the issue that many lawyers and judges did not consider software to BE copyrightable. And then, there was a general consensus that the

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 8/21/2015 1:50 PM, tony duell wrote: > > I will happily agree that it is both morally and legally a crime to > distribute somebody else's > work that they get income from. The discussion of manuals and software here > refers to > items that the original author/company cannot or will not pro

Re: De-yellowing

So, how does one de-yellow something? I have a VT-100 and some other gear that could use that process. JRJ On 8/21/2015 1:15 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: > Going to be de-yellowing a //e Platinum this weekend. Check out this > picture of the top cover. You can see the non-yellowed part on bottom. >

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Hardly a surprise I'm 67 On 21/08/2015 18:50, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? You're going to die before it expires. Quite possibly your grand children as well. g.

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/2015 4:34 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > Where would MICROS~1 be if Gary Kildall were to have been litigious? How so? Digital Research spurned IBM, and would have had to take IBM on as well as Microsoft. Litigious or not, it would have been a seriously uphill battle. JRJ

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

I'm sure they are very nice and totally harmless. All that was required was ("in Danish") after the link. I must say I could not make any sense of the system models they seem to be refering to. Was there a home grown system of some sort.? Kinda a Dansk Data On 21/08/2015 19:09, Ian S. King wro

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believe me that "burglary" and "robbery" were

Re: De-yellowing

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: So, how does one de-yellow something? I have a VT-100 and some other gear that could use that process. UBIK

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Ian S. King wrote: > The datamuseum.dk collection represents 25 years of accumulation, I was > told. But more importantly, I think their work demonstrates a very > well-considered approach for presenting the history of the collection's > machines to visitors. Tha

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as oth$ Please don't misquote me. That was not all one line when I wrote it, it was not all one line when I saw it come back on the list, and it was not all one line when someone else quoted it; for you to quote it that way

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Where would MICROS~1 be if Gary Kildall were to have been litigious? On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: How so? Digital Research spurned IBM, and would have had to take IBM on as well as Microsoft. Litigious or not, it would have been a seriously uphill battle. The influence and basis

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

It also brings up another issue. When they did finally get some legal stuff into place (circa 1988 over here) was it retrospective.? If not then by definition anything prior is not protected and my be freely distributed. Rod On 21/08/2015 22:34, Fred Cisin wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Sm

Re: De-yellowing

So, how does one de-yellow something? I have a VT-100 and some other gear that could use that process. Google for "Retr0brite". MARCH is having a repair workshop this weekend at our museum in NJ. We're going to use a product called "BBlonde" which is made for women's hair but apparently wo

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: It also brings up another issue. When they did finally get some legal stuff into place (circa 1988 over here) was it retrospective.? If not then by definition anything prior is not protected and my be freely distributed. If it were changes in the law

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/2015 5:25 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >>> Where would MICROS~1 be if Gary Kildall were to have been litigious? >> > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> How so? Digital Research spurned IBM, and would have had to take IBM >> on as well as Microsoft. Litigious or not, it would have been a

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 2015-08-22 00:17, Fred Cisin wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believ

Re: Cheap board guy

Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 03:00:25PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Mark G. Thomas > > 4x M8192 - KDJ11 (AA or AB?) -- two work, two fail POST > > And alas, we don't seem to have any prints for that card (although we do have > what amounts to a tech manual, so maybe we can create

RE: De-yellowing

> MARCH is having a repair workshop this weekend at our museum in NJ. > We're going to use a product called "BBlonde" which is made for women's > hair but apparently works pretty well on yellowed plastic. Evan, Is this something you need to mix like Retrobright? Or is it ready to go out of the

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Aug 21, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > If it were changes in the law, then it would NOT be retroactive unless > explicitly declaring itself to be. Different places are different, but the US constitution explicity prohibits ex post facto laws.

Re: De-yellowing

On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Ali wrote: > Is this something you need to mix like Retrobright? Or is it ready to go out > of the bottle? Also any long term experience with it? From discussion on VCF > it seems as Retrobright fails after some time passes (i.e. re-yellowing > occurs). I'd be interes

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