I should add- although I thought this was obvious, some people here take 
pedantry to the next level: 

*** I am strictly referring to software which is no longer generally available 
commercially, which is the 98% case for the software for our machines. ****

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> On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:26, Ian Finder <ian.fin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think in response to sharing bits, a "better to ask for forgiveness rather 
> than permission" policy is as best as can be done, otherwise the hobby is 
> completely doomed.
> 
> I like how archive.org deals with it. If someone wants something taken down, 
> do it by all means!
> 
> Many current rights holders for this stuff may not even KNOW they are rights 
> holders, and for others, they may *want* to release something but cross 
> licensing issues with other companies (e.g. Licensed libraries) may prevent 
> them.
> 
> By the time we get permission to share this stuff,  much of it will be 
> permanently lost.
> 
> So for now, I'll totally do illegal things. Because the law is shortsighted. 
> And if a rights holder asks me to stop, I'm happy to. And sometime when 
> society sees the value in all this, maybe we will get copyright reform.
> 
> Yar, mateys, I'll see you all on the high seas!
> 
> - Ian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:13, Evan Koblentz <e...@snarc.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Wanted to add that my opinion of "freeing" manuals, etc. does not mean I am 
>> against Bitsavers or Internet Archive -- work that's done the right way by 
>> professionals. My main gripe is when an individual takes something that is 
>> still actively * for sale * (by the original developer, no less) and the 
>> takes it upon themselves to give it away. Whether people or the courts 
>> decide it's a "violation" or a crime, either way, it's wrong.

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