Re: [ccp4bb] Quote source inquiry

2020-07-16 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi Tim, There is an option to do unit cell parameter refinement (for all six parameters in general which can only happen in P1). It is undocumented. Celrefine/lattice refine all # if you give scale instead of all then only one parameter is refined. Cellrefine select . # use only atomic B val

Re: [ccp4bb] Quote source inquiry

2020-07-16 Thread Garib Murshudov
Garib > On 16 Jul 2020, at 22:34, Garib Murshudov wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > There is an option to do unit cell parameter refinement (for all six > parameters in general which can only happen in P1). It is undocumented. > > Celrefine/lattice refine all # if you give scale

Re: [ccp4bb] Quote source inquiry

2020-07-17 Thread Garib Murshudov
n quite stable, and the distance can vary by about 5%... > > Best regards, > Tim > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:21:54 +0100 > Garib Murshudov mailto:ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>> > wrote: > >> One correction: Model should after molecular replacement and few >>

Re: [ccp4bb] metal coordination at low resolution - restraints

2020-09-08 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi Robbie and Eleanor There are links for Zn-His and Zn-Cys. They meant to be used automatically, obviously something is not entirely right. Link names are: ZN-CYS It has a bond between Zn and S as well as an angle: ZN-CYS 1 ZN 2 SG 2 CB 109.0003.000 This also removes H

Re: [ccp4bb] metal coordination at low resolution - restraints

2020-09-08 Thread Garib Murshudov
1.00 13.12 > Z 403 ZN B Z 601 O4 B 1.938 X,Y,Z 0.70 14.10 > Z 403 ZN B O 825 OC 2.322 X,Y,Z 0.20 10.61 > ~ > > > On Tue

Re: [ccp4bb] metal coordination at low resolution - restraints

2020-09-08 Thread Garib Murshudov
residues. For general solution we need a bit different approach (e.g. coordination analysis). Regards Garib > > Jan > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:22 PM Garib Murshudov <mailto:ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>> wrote: > What are these numbers? > > If I understand t

Re: [ccp4bb] metal coordination at low resolution - restraints

2020-09-08 Thread Garib Murshudov
ures restraining the coordination geometry > is not necessary, they hold nice. > > Jan > >> >> Jan >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:22 PM Garib Murshudov > <mailto:ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>> wrote: >> What are these numbers? >>

Re: [ccp4bb] metal coordination at low resolution - restraints

2020-09-09 Thread Garib Murshudov
nt? all difficult at low resolution.. > > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:29, Garib Murshudov <mailto:ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>> wrote: > Hi Jan, > > > It is my experience also that if atoms are in more or less correct positions > then non-bonding interaction together ke

Re: [ccp4bb] Bad geometry for alt. conformation refined in Refmac5

2009-11-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
Could you please try the version from York: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/latest_refmac.html I think probkem you mention is related with compilation or something. At least I cannot repat it on my computer regards Garib On 25 Nov 2009, at 16:18, John Pascal wrote: Hello All, We are trying to

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC SIGFP/FOBS cutoff

2009-12-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi Ed Negative and 0 Fobs are not allowed and they are removed from consideration and flagged as unmeasured in the current version. However you can have negative I (if you are using intensities in TWIN mode). If you are using this after sampling the perhaps sampling should be done using i

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac refinement

2010-01-04 Thread Garib Murshudov
What are the versions of refmac you are using. Differences (as Pavel mentioned) could be scaling and different scaling parameters. If you would send your log file to me I can try to find out and try to sort out this problem. regards Garib On 4 Jan 2010, at 17:35, Feng Guo wrote: Hi, I ha

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac resolution limit vs twin refine

2010-01-20 Thread Garib Murshudov
I thought this problem is fixed. Could you please try the version from: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/latest_refmac.html Problem was that when refmac starts twinning analysis it uses generous tolerance and then filters out unlikely twin operators. When large deformation is needed merohedral twinn

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac and links between ligands

2010-02-01 Thread Garib Murshudov
Can you check your input file. It may contain contain link record already regards Garib On 1 Feb 2010, at 13:52, Jan Dohnalek wrote: Dear all I understand that when I use the Refmac keyword make link no Refmac should not apply found links. It keeps finding links between ligands (Na+ and liga

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB 3.2 Nomenclature

2010-02-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
If you want dictionary, atom naming and everything else about new compound names you can copy all "monomers" (in our definition) from: ftp://ftp.ebi.ac.uk/pub/databases/rcsb/pdb-remediated/data/monomers/components.cif.gz It has all compounds used in pdb with "idealised" coordinates, compound

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D fitting

2010-02-26 Thread Garib Murshudov
One option would be molrep molrep -m -mx Of course it assumes that your two structures have overall similar structures and no substantial conformational changes. As the question posed, I think, it does not have solution (only approximations). Almost all programs assume either atom labe

Re: [ccp4bb] Multiple conformations of disulfide-linked cysteines

2010-03-08 Thread Garib Murshudov
Automatically yes. But you can force it to use only one conformation. You need to use link record instead of ssbond (they are essentially same). To do this you need to put link records just before cryst1 card. Examples of link record are in: http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/template_l

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac remove restraints on targeted atoms

2010-03-28 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi Waters are not restrained in any case. There are only antibumping restraints for waters. If you want to remove them then please let me know and I will send you instructions how to do it. If you want to remove (or relax) restraints from ligand you need to edit your dictionary for this lig

Re: [ccp4bb] CAQ

2010-04-02 Thread Garib Murshudov
It is part of the new dictionary we are preparing. Please find attached dictionary. It was not in the distributed dictionary. Garib CAQ.cif Description: Binary data On 2 Apr 2010, at 22:53, Vin Purp wrote: Does anyone know what happened to the monomer CAQ? There are several structures i

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-21 Thread Garib Murshudov
As I see there is no chirality definition for NAG-ASN link (perhaps there should be but then people will be unhappy even more). Only reason i can see for this flattening is conflict between geometry and electron density. Your example shows that even if electron density is weak it may play a r

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-21 Thread Garib Murshudov
amers. Here you have only two orientations. Garib On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:20, Paul Emsley wrote: Garib Murshudov wrote: As I see there is no chirality definition for NAG-ASN link (perhaps there should be but then people will be unhappy even more). Only reason i can see for this flattening is con

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
You may be using output reflection data from the previous cycle of refinement for the next session. After twin refinement output Fobs (confusingly) may be detwinned. You can try to use original reflection data file (e.g. after scala/truncate/freerflag) and for refinement and it may clarif

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
And another (not so) minor point: Defferences between R/Rfree with twin on and off suggest that there is strong correlation between twin and NCS. For this cases better dealt with if you use twin refinement with sufficiently strong NCS restraints. In new refmac (www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/

Re: [ccp4bb] YATQ (yet another twinning question) - may involve pirates

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
I hope Kevin will respond soon. I think he has done (or is planning to do) to twinning and ncs in his pipeline of model building. I think something like that may already be in new ARP/wARP (Victor and Tasos will correct me if I am wrong) regards Garib On 23 Apr 2010, at 23:16, Ethan Merritt

Re: [ccp4bb] YATQ (yet another twinning question) - may involve pirates

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
I am getting in habit of writing double emails. I would say that refmac overestimates at early stages and truncate underestimates (it is just an intuition, not based on theoretical or empriical results) Garib On 23 Apr 2010, at 23:16, Ethan Merritt wrote: In a nutshell = Is

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-23 Thread Garib Murshudov
I think your procedure is good with current technology. At early stages twin refinement may give misleading results. An intuitive resoning for low R factor would be: Twin is summation of intensities. As you sum intensities two things happen: 1) distribution of intensities become more symmet

Re: [ccp4bb] Shifting twin fraction with refinement - finally zero

2010-04-24 Thread Garib Murshudov
Thank you, Frank, for pointing this out Here is the link to that presentation again: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/Presentations/Refmac_February.ppt Garib On 24 Apr 2010, at 12:05, Frank von Delft wrote: Hi Garib, the link you sent doesn't work from here, phx. On 24/04/2010 00:17,

Re: [ccp4bb] sketcher

2010-06-09 Thread Garib Murshudov
Perhaps you could try to use JLigand. It may do a better job. it is available from: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/mxstat/ In the jligand session there are two tutorials also. they may help you to run and generate your ligand description. If any problem please let me know. In general refmac is not th

Re: [ccp4bb] JLigand Coot link

2010-06-09 Thread Garib Murshudov
In the latest, latest version refmac writes LINK instead of LINKR. It is a temporary solution. We need a better solution and hopefully we will have one soon This version of refmac is available from: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/refmac_experimental/ regards Garib P.S. This version also

Re: [ccp4bb] Twin fractions vs. twin domains

2010-06-14 Thread Garib Murshudov
I guess you are using version 5.5. In that version in the beginning the program finds all possible twin operators and assigns twin fraction for each of them. Then it tries to filter out smaller twin domains and takes only "significant" domains. I.e. when twin fractions are higher than 0.05

Re: [ccp4bb] creating new ligand cif file

2010-06-21 Thread Garib Murshudov
Prodrg does very good job in guessing atom types and bond orders. Once it guessed things right it does extremely good job in generating bond lengths, angles etc. But it still depends on accuracy of coordinates. You need to check carefully bonding orders before using them in refinement. You c

Re: [ccp4bb] LINK option during refinement

2010-06-24 Thread Garib Murshudov
In your run with the option "residues are close only" refmac also should generate a pdb file with link records added. In very simple form you can edit this pdb file and remove all unnecessary links and leave link you want. Then you can rerun with normal options and generated library. Better

Re: [ccp4bb] differences Rfactor calculations

2010-07-13 Thread Garib Murshudov
There may be several reasons: It looks strange. Something seems to be wrong in protocols 1) Check free R flags. I have seen in few cases wrong free R. Generally number of reflections for free should be less than for work reflections 2) Check TLS refinement. You may need to restart TLS refinem

Re: [ccp4bb] covalent bond

2010-07-14 Thread Garib Murshudov
Better link with nice tutorial from Andrey is: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/mxstat/ In the JLigand section there are some tutorials from Andrey to demonstrate how covalent links can be generated and used. Garib On 14 Jul 2010, at 14:35, Paul Emsley wrote: On 14/07/10 12:56, Vandana Kukshal wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] how to tie water mols in refmac

2010-07-17 Thread Garib Murshudov
You can use harmonic restraint. There is no option on the interface. However you can create and use keyword file on the interface. In the keywords file you need to give instruction where you want to put harmonic restraints. Syntax is: for particular atom: external harmonic chain [ch] residue

Re: [ccp4bb] How will I know if covalent has been formed between ligand and protein?

2010-07-17 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi As far as I know Paul and Eugene are working very hard to make this option painlessly available to users. With the current versions of refmac and coot I would check carefully at every stage. In coot I would look at the distance berween atoms supposed to be linked (even if they are not

Re: [ccp4bb] A strange case of MR

2010-07-19 Thread Garib Murshudov
I would be careful with Rfactors at the early stages of refinement, especially in the presence of twinning (apparent or real). You can see weird behaviour of Rfactors in this presentation: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/Presentations/Refmac_Erice_workshop.ppt, slides 18-20. In short if you have

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
Are you suggesting ccp4 is collapsing and people are coming back to the original source? Garib On 25 Aug 2010, at 22:17, Pavel Afonine wrote: On 8/25/10 2:11 PM, George M. Sheldrick wrote: I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and CCP4) Bulletin Board". Sounds

Re: [ccp4bb] Can some utilities of CCP4 do the real-space refinement locally with the residue range explicitly specified?

2010-08-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
Why you do not use coot? It does exactly what you want. regards Garib On 25 Aug 2010, at 22:33, Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi, Can some utilities of CCP4 do the real-space refinement locally with the residue range explicitly specified? By the way, I have registered phenix bb. Just didn't reali

Re: [ccp4bb] Can some utilities of CCP4 do the real-space refinement locally with the residue range explicitly specified?

2010-08-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
I think Paul (Emsley) is better qualified to answer to this question. However 1) coot uses 2mFo-DFc maps 2) you should be able to feed any map you want to coot so it is nice place for experimenting this kind of calculation 3) You may try to relax gemetry 4) Usually if the model does not fit

Re: [ccp4bb] Can some utilities of CCP4 do the real-space refinement locally with the residue range explicitly specified?

2010-08-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
But equation given in slide #4 is exactly least-square equation with some modified maps. Just use Pareval's theorem, then for case of 2mFo- Dfc you will have sum_{reflection used) (2mFo-DF_{c current) -k F_{model})^2 F_model is equal to F_{c current} at the point of calculation. All gradien

[ccp4bb] an automatic molecular replacement pipeline

2007-01-26 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all, It is an announcement of a beta-release of an automatic molecular replacement system - BALBES. It is available from: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~fei/balbes There are tar files for Linux, MacOS (G4/G5) and MacOS (intel). There are instructions how to install and use the system. The system

Re: [ccp4bb] B values after TLS and isotropic refinement

2007-02-06 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear Jeremiah B values on individual atoms is only residual B value and do not take into account TLS contribution. If you want to have full B value then you can use TLSANL. Regards Garib On 6 Feb 2007, at 21:48, JEREMIAH R WAGNER wrote: Hello All, Our group is having discussion about B v

Re: [ccp4bb] Anisotropic Refinement Question

2007-02-12 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear Carlos When you add hydrogens in refmac they are used in geometry and structure factor calculations. They are not used in refinement fully. I.e. their contribution is taken into account and but they do not contribute to gradients and hessian. regards Garib On 12 Feb 2007, at 03:42,

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 and Shannon factor

2007-02-14 Thread Garib Murshudov
There re two places where FSHANN is set. One when keyword is read and one default initial value. The second value is the default. The first set is when you make mistake with the keyword and the second one is the default. Is this what you have? /Users/garib/ccp4_ibm/ccp4_5.0.2/ccp4-5.0.2/src/

Re: [ccp4bb] RMSD

2007-03-14 Thread Garib Murshudov
When there are riding hydrogens then refmac gives rmsd for them seperately (like rmsd for others. That is atoms not included in refinement) Garib On 14 Mar 2007, at 17:02, Edwin Pozharski wrote: Does anyone know if Refmac includes riding hydrogens in rmsd calculation? Because if it does,

Re: [ccp4bb] Sketcher and stereochemistry

2007-03-19 Thread Garib Murshudov
Chiralities in refmac dictionaries are local just like in smile strings. You can of course put atoms by their priorities then you will have correspondence to R/S assignments. However you do not have to do it. In many case I find it useful to put chirality 'both' and then refine against this d

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac refinement problem

2007-03-31 Thread Garib Murshudov
I think your pdb header has cis conformation fnormation. Remove them from the pdb header then it should work. If not, please let me know. Garib On 31 Mar 2007, at 22:16, Todd Holyoak wrote: All, We are currently refining a 1.6A structure with Refmac5. There are a few loops with backbone ge

Re: [ccp4bb] antibody refinement in REFMAC with Kabat numbering

2007-04-05 Thread Garib Murshudov
It looks like a bug. Insertion code should have been used in NCS restraint definitions. It seems it does not. I will try to fix it asap. Insertions are usually no problem. Problems arise when you have deletions (i.e. residue numbering is not sequential). Then you need to use LINK record with

Re: [ccp4bb] How can I refine Mg2+ with REFMAC?5.2

2007-05-09 Thread Garib Murshudov
You just put on the element column of pdb MG+2 instead of MG (you can do it on the atom name column also but if you have the element column then that will be used to interpret element name with its oxidation state) Garib On 9 May 2007, at 13:41, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I try to

[ccp4bb] new version of MR pipeline BALBES

2007-05-24 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all, A new version of an automatic molecular pipeline system - BALBES is now available. It can be downloaded from: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~fei/balbes The new options in this system are: 1) Use of user defined external PDB library 2) Use of a single PDB file as an input model for Molecular r

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac fails on iodine ions

2007-06-06 Thread Garib Murshudov
Residue name of iodine should IOD. Otherwsie there is a clash of names with some other residue names (ionisine) Garib On 6 Jun 2007, at 16:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I am having trouble with refmac dictionaries when refining a structure that contains an iodine ion. the PDB

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac fails on iodine ions

2007-06-06 Thread Garib Murshudov
I- ?? or have I misunderstood horribly ? J -- Dr Judith Murray-Rust Structural Biology Lab Cancer Research UK London WC2A 3PX -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garib Murshudov Sent: 06 June 2007 17:14 To: CCP4BB

Re: [ccp4bb] restrained refinement in Refmac

2007-07-10 Thread Garib Murshudov
It looks like as if your PDB is corrupt. For example there atoms B that should not be present inamino acids. Garib On 9 Jul 2007, at 19:55, JINJIN ZHANG wrote: Hello all, I'm working on a protein-DNA complex. My protein is a trimer and the crystal has 3 trimers in an AU. I used a pdb fi

Re: [ccp4bb] Asking help about refmac5?

2007-07-12 Thread Garib Murshudov
1) Rfree in the first cycle seem to be more apparent than actual. You need to check you free reflection conversion. It may turn out that you have more reflections for free than for working R. 2) You may need to use tighter restraints. For example by changing weight matrix value to smaller numb

Re: [ccp4bb] extend resolution in refmac

2007-07-14 Thread Garib Murshudov
Current version of refmac will not allow you to extend resolution. there are more problems that need to be solved before proper resolution extension implemented Garib On 14 Jul 2007, at 22:37, JOE CRYSTAL wrote: Dear all, I am refining a structure in Refmac at 2.3 A and I set resolution

Re: [ccp4bb] density map

2007-07-26 Thread Garib Murshudov
It would help if you would also show surrounding atoms. Garib On 26 Jul 2007, at 23:10, Wu, Mousheng wrote: Here is the extra density map in my structure. It is too big for glycerol although I used glycerol as cryoprotectant. Thanks for your quick responses. Mousheng

[ccp4bb] web server

2007-07-29 Thread Garib Murshudov
I the previous mail when announcing webserver I forgot to give web address. Here is the web address of our server. Please use and let us know your suggestions. http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp with best regards Garib

[ccp4bb] beta test version of our server

2007-07-29 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all We are pleased to announce the first version of our web server. You need to register to use it. That is our university's security policy we have to be in line with. Current version of the server has two runnable programs: 1) BALBES - completely automatic molecular replacement pi

Re: [ccp4bb] covalently bonded Ligand fit

2007-09-04 Thread Garib Murshudov
If you are dealing with phosphoserine then there is a monomer called SEP that is phosphorilated serine. pdb coordinates are attached: regards Garib libcheck_SEP.pdb Description: Binary data On 4 Sep 2007, at 23:41, U Sam wrote: Hi I am trying fit a ligand (organo phosphate) covalently bon

Re: [ccp4bb] Li ion scattering factor

2007-09-04 Thread Garib Murshudov
Number of electrons are rarely (if ever) used. In principle sum of the coefficients of gaussians should be equal to the number of electrons. Ions from nonions are distinguished by just addition charge on the element column. Example: ATOM 4175 CLCL I 1 5.299 23.521 60.812

Re: [ccp4bb] Statistics differences

2007-09-07 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear Jacob The main reason why different programs produce different resutls is that methods used in these programs are different. For example refinement programs use different methods for scaling. Some include bulk solvent a Babinet, some use mask bulk slvent and some use anisotropic scaling

Re: [ccp4bb] MOLREP for space group F432

2007-09-17 Thread Garib Murshudov
I think it is now much faster. If you take the version from Alexei's home page it should be faster and may be better also. You should be able download it from this site: http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms Garib On 17 Sep 2007, at 10:10, Manfred S. Weiss wrote: Dear CCP4ers, has anybod

Re: [ccp4bb] MOLREP for space group F432

2007-09-17 Thread Garib Murshudov
In the previous email I missed index.jsp. Here is the correct url for programs (including molrep). So again In newer version of molrep cubic space groups are handled much faster. Here is the url where you can download molrep http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp regards Garib

Re: [ccp4bb] refined vs 'others'

2007-11-04 Thread Garib Murshudov
Others: Atom not included in refinement. If at least one of the atoms not included in X-ray grad and secder calculation they are marked as others. These are usually hydrogens. Period means if torsion angle has one, two, three or four minimums. Garib On 4 Nov 2007, at 20:56, Flip Hoedemaeke

Re: [ccp4bb] torsion restraints and phi/psi

2007-11-07 Thread Garib Murshudov
I could not say about other program but in refmac there are intra residue vdw repulsions if atoms are at least two bonds are apart. If atoms are only two bonds apart then vdw distance is reduced and it can be controlled. I do agree that at lower resolution you should use as much info as you

Re: [ccp4bb] pointless (1.2.0) and enantiomorphic SG's

2007-11-09 Thread Garib Murshudov
I am for it also. It is a god idea!! Garib On 9 Nov 2007, at 13:56, Ian Tickle wrote: I like it! -- Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eleanor Dodson Sent: 09 November 2007 13:51 To: Phil Evans Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: R

Re: [ccp4bb] Torsion angle restraints

2007-11-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
In principle in refmac you can resrtraint any torsion angle you want. If this torsion angle has definition in the dictionary. It includes phi/psi also. See http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~garib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html For example for phi you can do (phi is the proeprty of link between amin

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac B ARRAY FOR HESSIAN TABULATION

2007-11-19 Thread Garib Murshudov
There is nothing to worry about this message. I just means that some of your B values may be too large. It does not affect refinement as far as I remember. Garib On 19 Nov 2007, at 21:13, mark Mayer wrote: Hello, I'm running a TLS refinement with Refmac and keep getting the following outp

Re: [ccp4bb] "Finding Chlorine" =)

2007-11-29 Thread Garib Murshudov
But you can change it with the keyword anomolous formfactor f' f'' Where f' and f'' correspond to values for a given wavelength. See for details: http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/refmac_news.html Internally yes. It is CuKa. Garib On 29 Nov 2007, at 23:19, Tadeusz Skarzynski wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5.3 vs refmac5.4

2007-12-05 Thread Garib Murshudov
Weights are the same. 5.4 has a lot of small bug fixes and performance enhancement and some added stability things. And some new features I am planning to announce soon. Since I am responsible, my extremely biased view is that 5.4 is better. Garib On 5 Dec 2007, at 13:05, Jianghai Zhu wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] [Fwd: [ccp4]: iso - anisotropic B factor refinement on Refmac5]

2007-12-06 Thread Garib Murshudov
This result means that you need to use TLS refinement and it may improve your statistics considerable. Garib On 6 Dec 2007, at 11:27, Ronan Keegan wrote: From: Rafael Couñago <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 6 December 2007 04:58:51 GMT To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ccp4]: iso - anisotropic

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac: BREFinement MIXED

2007-12-24 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi Mark I used to do followings: Run 0 cycle of refmac with aniso refinement and then take aniso cards for atoms I want to refine aniso and put in the relevant position of the original pdb file. After that I would do mixed refinement. I should warn that I have not tested this option for a

Re: [ccp4bb] TLS refinement in REFMAC

2007-12-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear Yogesh Could you please try the version from York www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/latest_refmac.html You need to take appropriate refmac 5.4 (it is current stable version) and dictionary. I remember that in older version there was a problem in one of RNA bases and it has now been corrected

[ccp4bb] new version of refmac

2007-12-29 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all New version of refmac (stable version 5.4) is now available. Apart from bug fixes and stabilization it has some features include: refmac: (see for description of some of the keywords in this version: http:// www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~garib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html) 1) f' can be given

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac 5.4.0066 versus Refmac 5.4.0034

2008-01-01 Thread Garib Murshudov
xtra-param" file. 2. In version 5.4.0066 version I noticed this line in the log file: Before the second run Unknown atom for fprime and f2prime calculation I didn't receive this error in the older version. Please explain. I'm only specifying f' and f

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac 5.4.0066 versus Refmac 5.4.0034

2008-01-02 Thread Garib Murshudov
On 2 Jan 2008, at 17:15, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Tuesday 01 January 2008 06:40, Mark A Saper wrote: Well, I guess one shouldn't change versions of refmac in the middle of a structure refinement. What are the major differences between . 0034 and .0066 ? I noted that form factors for the Se at

Re: [ccp4bb] w_average & riding hydrogens

2008-01-02 Thread Garib Murshudov
Try the version 5.4 www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp We have fixed this and some other irregular behaviours Garib On 2 Jan 2008, at 21:42, Roni Gordon wrote: Hi all, I observed a very strange phenomenon with a high-resolution dataset phased via rigid-body refinement (using the apo

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein DNA complex refinement

2008-01-03 Thread Garib Murshudov
If you take new dictionary with new refmac it may solve this and some other naming problems. Try from the website: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp Garib On 3 Jan 2008, at 16:53, Daouda TRAORE wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to refine a protein DNA complex using Refmac. Unfortunately t

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein DNA complex refinement

2008-01-03 Thread Garib Murshudov
(') instead of asterisk (*) for the ribose numberings, and uses OP1 instead of O1P, and so forth. Do the new refmac dictionaries have that (I haven't been able to get it to work in the context of coot). Garib Murshudov wrote: If you take new dictionary with new refmac it may solve thi

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac 5.4.0066 versus Refmac 5.4.0034

2008-01-03 Thread Garib Murshudov
my disks all contain the correct value. Ethan Just curious. Regards, Boaz - Original Message - From: Garib Murshudov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 19:19 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac 5.4.0066 versus Refmac 5.4.0034 To:

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis - Garib?

2008-01-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
Best way of refining SO4 two-fold axis is to put al occupancies equal to 0.5 and refine like that. You may need to use newer version to deal better with atoms in special position. Have a look: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLprograms/index.jsp You can go from this site to latest refmac site. Any fur

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis - Garib?

2008-01-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
sorry for repeat. Link I gave in the previous mail should be: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp Garib On 11 Jan 2008, at 19:58, Jie Liu wrote: I've played around for a while, also read the manual and googled the internet, but just couldn't find a way to set up the restraints to the s

Re: [ccp4bb] modified amino acid connection to protein

2008-02-26 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear Catherine Is your SUU an amino acid modified on the side chain side? If yes then you can use standard peptide links. For this your SUU should be declared as L-peptide in the description. Can you send description of your SUU and I can try to sort out what is going on. Garib On 26 Feb

Re: [ccp4bb] too good R/Rfree with resolve

2008-03-28 Thread Garib Murshudov
make sure that you are using the original observation (Fobs and corresponding sigmas) not that produced by density modification (e.g. solve resolve) programs. Garib On 28 Mar 2008, at 10:43, stefano ricagno wrote: Dear CCP4bb readers, this is my problem: I solved a structure by MR: the sol

Re: [ccp4bb] fixing position in the refinement: Shelx, refmac5

2008-04-03 Thread Garib Murshudov
In newer version of refmac you can use harmonic restraints. Take the new stable version of refmac from www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp and use harmonic restraints as described in: http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~garib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html Keyword is: external harmonic residues f

Re: [ccp4bb] fixing position in the refinement: Shelx, refmac5

2008-04-04 Thread Garib Murshudov
(In my view of course, which is debatable) Garib On 4 Apr 2008, at 06:56, Frank von Delft wrote: Is that also how you would restrain refinement at low resolution when using a high-resolution model? (e.g. a 1.8A model into 4A data) phx. Garib Murshudov wrote: In newer version of refmac

[ccp4bb] new version of YSBL programs webserver

2008-04-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all The new version of BALBES webserver is now available. Since the first firs release (July 2007) a lot of bugs have been removed. The major new option of the server is to check all potential space groups. The system runs the full molecular replacement for all potential models and the

[ccp4bb] balbes with space group checks

2008-04-28 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all After announcing molecular replacement server with all allowed space group checks because of rapid increase of the usage our system could not handle it and we had to turn off this option. Now we have upgraded the system and it is ready for to use. Note that the new option of the ser

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac

2008-05-06 Thread Garib Murshudov
If you are using new version of refmac from www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp then you can use harmonic restraints. Have a look for instructions: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/refmac_news.html I hope it helps. regards Garib On 6 May 2008, at 16:39, Debasish Chattopadhyay wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac 5.4 monomer dictionary mirror?

2008-05-19 Thread Garib Murshudov
It will be available tomorrow (hopefully) afternoon. Garib On 19 May 2008, at 19:50, Thomas J Magliery PhD wrote: I am trying to upgrade Refmac from 5.2 to 5.4. I didn't download the monomer library (refmac5.4_dictonary.tar.gz) when I downloaded the executables, and I can't access the Refm

Re: [ccp4bb] angle restraint refmac etc

2008-05-22 Thread Garib Murshudov
On 23 May 2008, at 02:03, Bernhard Rupp wrote: Dear All, I have a 3 minor questions re refmac internals: 1) does refmac use angle values directly or restrain 1-3 distances for angle restraint setup? Yes. Angles are angles in degrees. 2) the ML coefficients FWT and DELFWT - are they the com

Re: [ccp4bb] Arp/warp space group P 21 2 21

2008-06-10 Thread Garib Murshudov
I think in refmac it has already been fixed (since October or so). refmac 5.4 and later version should handle all available space groups with their various disguises. Garib On 10 Jun 2008, at 16:11, Clemens Grimm wrote: seems to be a 'non-standard' setting. Refmac also has problems with th

[ccp4bb] new version of refmac (v5.5)

2008-06-29 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all New version of refmac (v 5.5) is now available for use. Please have a look: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/latest_refmac.html Major new developments are: 1) Maximum likelihood refinement against data from twinned "crystals". Current version allows only one instruction: twin All dec

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of Fourier coefficients

2008-07-08 Thread Garib Murshudov
it was there for some time. Info about this and some other new and not so new features can be found here: http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~garib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html Some of the features like n mfo-l dfc map was there for 5.3 and may be even earlier. regards Garib On 8 Jul 2008, at

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement problem

2008-07-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
You may need to consider (assuming that space group is correct) 1) Twinning. In this case even wrong solution at the early stages would give lower Rfactor and at the later stages higher Rfactor without accounting for twinning 2) Pseudo translation. In this case the solution could be in wrong

Re: [ccp4bb] Preventing close contact between protein and ligand

2008-07-30 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear Snageetha 1) Could you check please if specified atoms have zero occupancy. Atoms with zero occupancy are considered as absent and there are not restraints on them 2) symm y at the end of instructions means that the program check all possible symmetry operators and finds minimal distan

Re: [ccp4bb] Preventing close contact between protein and ligand

2008-07-30 Thread Garib Murshudov
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garib Murshudov Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:18 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Preventing close contact between protein and ligand Dear Snageetha 1) Could you check please if specified atoms have zero occupancy. Atoms with zero

Re: [ccp4bb] Preventing close contact between protein and ligand

2008-07-30 Thread Garib Murshudov
There should be something like: loop_ _chem_comp_bond.comp_id _chem_comp_bond.atom_id_1 _chem_comp_bond.atom_id_2 _chem_comp_bond.type _chem_comp_bond.value_dist _chem_comp_bond.value_dist_esd MAN-b-D O1 C1single 1.4100.020 MAN-b-D C2 C1single 1.524

Re: [ccp4bb] Preventing close contact between protein and ligand

2008-07-30 Thread Garib Murshudov
order to have the well behaving refinement I will have to change these occupancies to 50-50, right? And just pay the price with the higher B factors? Or is there any other way to deal with this situation? Aleks On 30 Jul 2008, at 16:15, Garib Murshudov wrote: If sum of occupancies of atoms

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac, twin - really low Rfactors

2008-08-14 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi all One should be aware of some stats about twinning (and in general): 1) If you have perfect hemihedral twinning and no correlated rotational NCS then random R factors are around 40 instead of Luzzati's 58. 2) If you have perfecthemihedral twinning and you are not modelling twin then r

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