Re: [ccp4bb] extracting PHENIX structures

2015-01-25 Thread Nat Echols
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Kay Diederichs < kay.diederi...@uni-konstanz.de> wrote: > Here, I subtracted the "Phenix and Refmac" entries from the total Phenix > count, because it seems likely that Phenix was used for other purposes than > refinement. > Actually, based on my skimming of meth

Re: [ccp4bb] chloride or water

2015-01-21 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: >I think this will probably never happen, but maybe there could be a > confidence value associated with each atom in structures a posteriori, > although it might be difficult to find the right automatable criteria for > this value. The el

Re: [ccp4bb] chloride or water

2015-01-21 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Keller, Jacob wrote: > I see your point about not knowing that it’s a chloride, but I think you > would agree that it is certainly more likely a chloride than map-noise, and > perhaps more likely than water as well. Would you agree that chloride is > the best gu

Re: [ccp4bb] chloride or water

2015-01-21 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Keller, Jacob wrote: > Not sure why there is this level of suspicion about the poor halide when > waters generally get assigned so haphazardly. I would say that there are > probably more “wrong” waters in the PDB than wrong chlorides, but there’s > not much fuss

Re: [ccp4bb] chloride or water

2015-01-21 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Engin Özkan wrote: > Carbon in chloride's coordination sphere? To me, it looks like you have > serious vdW violations, and neither water nor chloride could go there. > Halides can interact with carbon too - discussed in Dauter & Dauter (2001) - although I think

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code for pyridoxine

2014-12-31 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Faisal Tarique wrote: > I request you to please tell me the three letter code for pyridoxine.. > You can find the appropriate residue code for any molecule previously deposited in the PDB - which includes pyridoxine - by simply searching for the conventional nam

Re: [ccp4bb] unknown densities

2014-12-08 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: > FYI, sometimes native nucleotides can make it through protein > purifications if binding is tight. > This is especially true for G-proteins, since tight binding to GDP is an essential part of their function. I don't know what to expect fro

Re: [ccp4bb] Consensus on modeling unidentifiable lipids and detergents in membrane protein structures?

2014-11-06 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Oliver Clarke wrote: > I wonder if a solution might be to create new residues containing alkyl > chains of various lengths, named something like U01, U02, U(n), where N is > the length of the alkyl chain that fits the density. Sort of similar to the > way one might

Re: [ccp4bb] water at the same exactly position

2014-10-29 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:53 PM, luzuok wrote: > I think it is better for COOT to solve this issue. > Coot already can be used to solve this issue - I think the automation is somewhat lacking, but it's vastly preferable to anything involving a text editor or shell commands. 1. Load molecule

Re: [ccp4bb] R/Rfree gap with pseudotranslational symmetry

2014-09-26 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kimberly Stanek wrote: > Before refinement in phenix the R/Rfree gap is rather small, however even > after one round of refinement I am finding that this gap increases to > almost 0.06. I have a feeling that the high symmetry present has something > to with this

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem regarding twin detection and refinement

2014-09-17 Thread Nat Echols
The tests that output twinning fractions are *not* diagnostic for twinning; they merely estimate what the twin fraction would be if the data were in fact twinned, which can only be decided on the basis of abnormal intensity statistics. (Any version of Xtriage since July should state this more clea

Re: [ccp4bb] Coot - way to move the center pointer to a specific x,y,z coordinate?

2014-09-09 Thread Nat Echols
In Python scripting (Calculate menu): set_rotation_centre(x, y, z) I assume there's a Scheme equivalent. -Nat On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Alejandro Virrueta < alejandro.virru...@yale.edu> wrote: > Does anyone knowhow to move the center pointer to a specific x,y,z > coordinate? Or to place

Re: [ccp4bb] Reliable criteria to tell Anomalous or not?

2014-09-04 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM, CPMAS Chen wrote: > Do you guys have some recommendation of the criteria? phenix reported > anomalous measurability, CCP4/aimless has RCRanom. Sometimes, they are not > consistent. > The "measurability" isn't always useful - it's definitely correlated with how eas

Re: [ccp4bb] random half data sets

2014-08-13 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: > A somewhat similar question, with a quick answer I hope: when programs > output CC's of 1/2 datasets, are several random halvings compared/averaged, > and if not, does this make a difference, or are the scores so similar > there's no point?

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:25 AM, MARTYN SYMMONS < martainn_oshioma...@btinternet.com> wrote: > The practice at the PDB after deposition used to be to remove water > alternate position indicators - although obviously to keep their partial > occupancies. > This has not been my experience - see for

Re: [ccp4bb] Proper detwinning?

2014-07-09 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Chris Fage wrote: > Despite modelling completely into great electron density, Rwork/Rfree > stalled at ~38%/44% during refinement of my 2.0-angstrom structure > (P212121, 4 monomers per asymmetric unit). Xtriage suggested twinning, > with <|L|> = 0.419, = 0.245, a

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-04 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Nat Echols wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dirk Kostrewa > wrote: > >> yes - unfortunately, in my hands, phenix.xtriage reads the XDS_ASCII.HKL >> intensities as amplitudes, producing very different output statistics, >&g

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-03 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: > yes - unfortunately, in my hands, phenix.xtriage reads the XDS_ASCII.HKL > intensities as amplitudes, producing very different output statistics, > compared both to the XDS statistics and to an mtz file with amplitudes > created from that XDS

Re: [ccp4bb] Lysine coordinated ions

2014-07-01 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Katherine Sippel wrote: > My google-fu has failed me once again so I am turning to the collective > knowledge of the bb. I'm working on a blobology challenge at the moment and > have hit a wall. Is anyone aware of an ion that coordinates to lysine and > prefers oct

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB Storage of Diffraction Images

2014-05-16 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:12 AM, wrote: > Short of storing images, which is the ultimate preservation of primary > information, I have always been puzzled by the fact that the PDB only > stores > unique reflections i.e. no Friedel pairs even when provided. Is this > outdated > perhaps ? I remembe

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Nat Echols
regard this published structure as unreliable since a > misconduct investigation by the University of Alabama at Birmingham has > concluded that it > was, "more likely than not", faked [1] > > [1] http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091222/full/462970a.html > > > > &

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Patrick Shaw Stewart wrote: > It seems to me that the Wikipedia mechanism works wonderfully well. One > rule is that you can't make assertions yourself, only report pre-existing > material that is attributable to a "reliable published source". > This rule would

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mark Wilson wrote: > As for the meaning of integrity, I'm using this word in place of others > that > might be considered more legally actionable. A franker conversation would > likely more clearly draw the line that we're wrestling with here. > The reference t

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Mark Wilson wrote: > Getting to Eric's point about an impasse, if the PDB will not claim the > authority to safeguard the integrity of their holdings (as per their > quoted statement in Bernhard's message below), then who can? I think this may in part boil down

Re: [ccp4bb] TER in PDB file

2014-05-13 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Felix Frolow wrote: > Phenix does even more, it adds TER after ions and ligands, so again manual > messing is needed. > However they may have a jiffy to fix it. > phenix.sort_hetatms will remove them for you, although why this "problem" was apparently beyond the c

Re: [ccp4bb] metal ion coordination

2014-04-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:15 AM, wrote: > This discussion is very informative to fresher like me. Moreover, with > most of the reading suggested in this discussion I read about the > positively charged metal ions like Na, Ca, Mg and many more. I am curious > about Cl in specific which could occu

Re: [ccp4bb] PyMol and Schrodinger

2014-04-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Cygler, Miroslaw wrote: > I have inquired at Schrodinger about the licensing for PyMol. I was > surprised by their answer. The access to PyMol is only through a yearly > licence. They do not offer the option of purchasing the software and using > the obtained versi

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous signal for Mg and Calcium

2014-04-21 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Faisal Tarique wrote: > Just in the continuation of my previous mail i again want to ask few > question on the metalloprotiens..Apart from factors like occupancy, B > factor, coordination sphere and metal ion-ligand distances to distinguish > Mg or calcium, can ano

Re: [ccp4bb] EDS server - R-value

2014-04-04 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Alastair Fyfe wrote: > Reconstructing the refinement may be necessary in some cases but there > are other applications (pdb-wide map statistics, development of map > analysis tools, quick model vs map checks) where access to the depositor's > final map would be s

Re: [ccp4bb] EDS server - R-value

2014-04-04 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Alastair Fyfe wrote: > The topic brings up a question that I've been wondering about for some > time, perhaps someone can enlighten me. Why is it not standard practice to > deposit map coefficients along with structure factors ? Unlike image > deposition there are

Re: [ccp4bb] EDS server - R-value

2014-04-04 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: > A more up-to-date reason is that programs calculate R values very > differently. If you take a PDB file refined with program X and put it > into program Y you easily get discrepancies greater than 5%. > This is actually pretty rare - usually it

Re: [ccp4bb] Add an atom in Coot

2014-03-18 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Remie Fawaz-Touma wrote: > how do you place the pointer if there is no bond there? (just density) I > am trying to connect 2 sugars creating 2 bonds to one oxygen that I have to > add (oxygen does not exist now). > On my Mac, I can change the pointer position by h

Re: [ccp4bb] Validity of Ion Sites in PDB

2014-03-06 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Keller, Jacob wrote: > I was curious whether there has been a rigorous evaluation of ion binding > sites in the structures in the pdb, by PDB-REDO or otherwise. I imagine > that there is a considerably broad spectrum of habits and rigor in > assigning solute blobs

Re: [ccp4bb] Table in NSMB

2014-02-18 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Jan van Agthoven wrote: > I'm filling out my table for NSMB, about a structure of protein ligand > bound to a receptor. They ask for 3 different lines regarding number > of atoms & bfactor. 1) Protein 2) Ligand/Ion 3) Water. > Does my protein ligand belong to Prot

Re: [ccp4bb] Sister CCPs

2014-02-13 Thread Nat Echols
One comment (not a complaint) on all this: it seems like the same questions get asked over and over again. If there is a good place for a general crystallography FAQ list it is well past time for one to be put together - or maybe it just needs to be better advertised? At a minimum, for instance:

Re: [ccp4bb] Cryo solution for crystals grown in magnesium formate

2013-12-16 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Xiao, Junyu wrote: > Dear all, sorry if this topic does not interest you. I wonder whether > anyone has experience with freezing crystals grown in ~0.2 M Magnesium > Formate. Garman and Mitchell suggested that "A major anomaly is solution > 44, 0.2 M magnesium fo

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparison of Water Positions across PDBs

2013-11-06 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Bernhard Rupp wrote: > Hmmm….does that mean that the journals are now the ultimate authority of > what stays in the PDB? > > I find this slightly irritating and worthy of change. > http://www.wwpdb.org/UAB.html "It is the current wwPDB (Worldwide PDB) policy that

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparison of Water Positions across PDBs

2013-11-05 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bernhard Rupp wrote: > Given their otherwise almost paranoid sensitivity to ultimate author > authority > > (resulting in things like still having 2hr0 etc in the bank because > certain authors go AWOL or ignore major issues) > In defense of the PDB, it's not just

Re: [ccp4bb] MacBook Pro graphics card options

2013-10-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Kristin Low wrote: > I’m looking at upgrading my current laptop to a newer MacBook Pro. I’m > torn as to whether I need integrated vs discrete graphics for structural > biology, including molecular modelling, especially since the latest > advances by Intel in term

Re: [ccp4bb] Problematic PDBs

2013-10-17 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Lucas wrote: > I wonder if there's a list of problematic structures somewhere that I > could use for that practice? Apart from a few ones I'm aware of because of > (bad) publicity, what I usually do is an advanced search on PDB for entries > with poor resolution a

Re: [ccp4bb] OT: "Who's Afraid of Peer Review?"

2013-10-10 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Marco Lolicato wrote: > Anyway, for those reasons and more, I was wondering if maybe is nowadays > needed to revisit the peer-review process. > Apologies for the lengthy response, but I really do think the current publication system is broken, just not for the sa

Re: [ccp4bb] השב: [ccp4bb] Why nobody comments about the Nobel committee decision?

2013-10-09 Thread Nat Echols
Levitt also contributed to DEN refinement (Schroder et al. 2007, 2010). -Nat On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > Good point. Now since you mentioned contributions of the recent Nobel > laureates to crystallography Mike Levitt also had a significant > contribution through the

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge of the last shell is zero

2013-08-14 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Edward A. Berry wrote: > If you refine once in phenix you can use phenix.cc_star to calculate cc* > and compare with R and R-free; from the output mtz file and your unmerged > .sca file. > FYI, this should also work with structures refined in Refmac, assuming it

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-07 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM, James Stroud wrote: > Although it is likely the "best" library for working with structural data, > CCTBX requires a loop just to change a specific chain ID (to the best of my > knowledge): > > ... > > I don't intend to pick on CCTBX specifically (because the CCTBX

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-07 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:54 PM, James Stroud wrote: > All that needs to happen is that the community agree on > > 1. What is the finite set of essential/useful attributes of macromolecular > structural data. > 2. What is the syntax of (a) accessing and (b) modifying those attributes. > 3. What i

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-05 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > There seems to be some kind of a gap between users and developers as far > the eagerness to abandon PDB in favour of mmCIF. I myself fully agree with > Jeffrey about the ease of manipulating PDB's during work, particularly when > encounterin

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-05 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Phil Jeffrey wrote: > While alternative programs exist to do almost everything I prefer > something that works well, works quickly, and provides instant visual > feedback. CCP4 and Phenix are stuck in a batch processing paradigm that I > don't find useful for thes

Re: [ccp4bb] post to ccp4bb

2013-07-22 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Katherine Donovan < katherine.dono...@pg.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: > *PHENIX – XTRIAGE* > * *One possible pseudo merohedral twin operator > 2-fold axis > h, -k, -h-l > > /**2 = 2.032 > **2/ = 0.787 > <|E**2-1|> = 0.734 > <|L|>, = 0.490, 0.321 > Multivariate Z scor

Re: [ccp4bb] Where to cut the data in this medium resolution dataset

2013-07-22 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Stefan Gajewski wrote: > The maps shows signs of over fitting, the B-factors do not look correct in > my opinion. What do "correct" B-factors look like? What refinement strategy did you use for them? > Note that the R-free value in the 3.4A shell is lower tha

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement of partly occupied water molecules

2013-07-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Stefan Krimmer < krim...@staff.uni-marburg.de> wrote: > in some of my macromolecular crystal structures with resolutions between > 1.1 - 1.4 Å, several round positive Fo-Fc electron density blobs are > detectable which show after assignment of a water molecule to t

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-22 Thread Nat Echols
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Frank von Delft < frank.vonde...@sgc.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > In what scenarios would these improved estimates make a significant > difference? > Perhaps datasets where a unusually large number of reflections are very weak, for instance where TNCS is present, or where

Re: [ccp4bb] Concerns about statistics

2013-06-13 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Andrea Edwards wrote: > I have some rather (embarrassingly) basic questions to ask. Mainly.. when > deciding the resolution limit, which statistics are the most important? I > have always been taught that the highest resolution bin should be chosen > with I/sig no

Re: [ccp4bb] Extracting .pdb info with python

2013-06-06 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Pete Meyer wrote: > On the other hand, programming an implementation of something is a good > way to make sure that you really understand it - even if you end up using > another program. I would argue that it's not really necessary to understand the column format

Re: [ccp4bb] Extracting .pdb info with python

2013-06-05 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM, GRANT MILLS wrote: > My script seems to miscount the columns and read the two as one column, > does anyone know how to avoid this? (PS, I've googled this like crazy but I > either don't understand or the link is irrelevant) > You should resist the temptation to w

Re: [ccp4bb] Off-topic: PDB statistics

2013-04-15 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:47 AM, James Holton wrote: > However, I'm sure the day is not far off when phenix.refine or the like > will check if the starting R factor is too high and just "automatically" > invoke a run of MR to see if something clicks. > I think the latest Phaser code actually do

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or command > line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the end of the run is > doomed and bound to commit senseless errors. I was taught a long time ago > that computers a

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM, James Holton wrote: > But, when it comes to GUIs, I have always found them counterproductive. > In my humble opinion, the purpose of computers and other machines is to DO > work for me, not create work for me, and I already have enough buttons to > push each day

Re: [ccp4bb] delete subject

2013-03-28 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM, wrote: > Although it is hard to imagine, there could be a mechanism by > which you make all your data public, immediately when you get it and this > public record shows who "owns" it. http://deposit.rcsb.org (or international equivalent) > The advantage (in my

Re: [ccp4bb] Need specific molecular replacement test cases

2013-03-08 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Raji Edayathumangalam wrote: > I am looking for two specific test cases (below) and appreciate anyone > pointing me to known structures/examples for the same. > > (1) For a successful case of molecular replacement in which the search model > has an overall sequence

Re: [ccp4bb] How to slow down crystallization? Need hep!

2013-02-25 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:02 AM, lei feng wrote: > I need your suggestion for slowing down crystallization for my protein > my protein got hit in PEG/ION #5 ( 0.2 M MgCl2, 20% PEG 3350, pH 5.9), but > it crystallize too fast. In 1 hr I can see tons of tiny needles. > Can anyone give me some sugges

Re: [ccp4bb] Improving Homology Models

2013-02-20 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: > it has been my experience that homology modelling programs get folds pretty > well, but sometimes the details are pretty obviously bad, like too-close > contacts. One might think that the modelling software would put in a sort of > "polishing

Re: [ccp4bb] protein crystals or salt crystals

2013-02-07 Thread Nat Echols
If SPG buffer is what I think it is, that means you have a significant concentration of inorganic phosphate, which forms salt crystals when mixed with divalent metal ions. -Nat On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:24 PM, amro selem wrote: > > > > > Hallo my colleagues. > i hope every one doing ok . i did s

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Strange Density

2013-02-04 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Roger Rowlett wrote: > It's possibly a transition metal ion. Zinc is a common adventitious > contaminant of solutions. Typical Zn-O distances (tetrahedral or > pseudo-tetrahedral coordination) are 2.0 A. ICP-OES or ICP-MS of the protein > solution might offer a clu

Re: [ccp4bb] off topic: DSSP

2013-01-28 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Robbie Joosten wrote: > DSSP recently went open source with a very liberal license. So you can > consider using the real DSSP now. This may also be the moment to integrate > DSSP in CCP4. Based on the info here: http://swift.cmbi.ru.nl/gv/dssp/ the license isn't

Re: [ccp4bb] off topic: DSSP

2013-01-28 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Antony Oliver wrote: > If you don't mind using the ksDSSP implementation, it is already installed > with the phenix suite if you have it. Correct, but although the method is supposed to be the same, the output is not, and there are bugs in how it presents helix a

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 vs phenix refine mixed up

2013-01-25 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Robbie Joosten wrote: > Phenix however needs to deal with the CCP4 type reflection binning. Now the > size of the sets cannot be used which means that you have find a smarter > solution. So I wonder how this is implemented. Does Phenix use the > (reasonable) assump

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors

2013-01-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Urmi Dhagat wrote: > If Rfree reflections are refined my refmac upon switching from phenix to > refmac then does this contaminate the Rfree set ? Should swiching between > refinement programs Phenix and Refmac be avoided? Repeating what was said earlier today: i

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 vs phenix refine mixed up

2013-01-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Leonid Sazanov wrote: > Most likely scenario is that Phenix by default assigns Rfree flag as 1, while > ccp4/refmac - as 0. > That would explain your Rfree going down - because your Rfree reflections > were refined by refmac. According to Garib, the current ver

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:05 PM, James Stroud wrote: > On Mac v. Linux where calculations come secondary to office-type > calculations, you have to weigh your level of vendor lock-in. Do you run > Libreoffice or Microsoft Office? Inkscape or Illustrator? Gimp or Photoshop? > Etc. If you are lo

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Cara Vaughan wrote: > I've seen from the archive that some people do use the Mac Mini for > crystallography and I've got two questions: > 1. Do I need the Quad core or is a Dual core processor enough? You can survive with the dual, but I would definitely spring fo

Re: [ccp4bb] how many metal sites

2013-01-16 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Roger Rowlett wrote: > When you are a building a metalloenzyme model you should really have some > solid evidence that a metal ion is present by (1) inclusion in the > crystallization medium, (2) direct determination by an analytical technique, > (3) UV-visible spe

Re: [ccp4bb] a challenge

2013-01-14 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: > I admit not having read all contributions to this thread. I understand > the "John Henry Challenge" as whether there is an 'automated way of > producing a model from impossible.mtz'. From looking at it and without > having gone all the way to a

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] Convert cbf to png/tiff?

2013-01-11 Thread Nat Echols
artfast:~/uni/datasets/nk/xds_run3$ adxv -sa >> DX-CORRECTIONS.cbf DX-CORRECTIONS.tiff >> Adxv Version 1.9.8 >> Copyright (C) 1994-2011 by Andrew Arvai, Area Detector Systems Corporation >> Recognized CBF format data. >> Warning: Could not find diffrn_frame_data or diffrn

Re: [ccp4bb] About NCS and inhibitors

2013-01-07 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Xiaopeng Hu wrote: > We recently resolved an enzyme/inhibitor complex structure. The enzyme > contains two NCS related active site and we did find extra density in both of > them.However we observed that the two inhbitor moleculors are not NCS > related, but part

Re: [ccp4bb] Acceptable Clash Score

2012-11-08 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Mark J van Raaij wrote: > Depends on what you call a "solved structure". > For deposition to the pdb ideally there should be very little clashes like > Nat writes. > But perhaps you are referring to the clash score just after molecular > replacement, like that ou

Re: [ccp4bb] Acceptable Clash Score

2012-11-07 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Meisam Nosrati wrote: > I want to know what is considered an acceptable Clash Score for a solved > structure. The recommendation from MolProbity is less than 10. If you have low-resolution data and don't have a high-resolution starting model, it could be a little

Re: [ccp4bb] how to find and add water molecules in electron density map in coot??

2012-11-06 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM, saleem raza wrote: > I have to put water molecules in my model but It's difficult to judge that > electron density is for water of something else. How to differentiate > > How the electron density look like for metal ions like Ca and Na??? Sodium can't be dist

Re: [ccp4bb] Ca or Zn

2012-10-30 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jim Pflugrath wrote: > How would you distinguish between a mixture of Ca and Zn in the same > locations? How often would they be likely to bind in the same place? Some of the other transition metals are difficult to tell apart, but Ca and Zn have very different

Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser MR with partial solution, 8 molecules/ASU

2012-10-30 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Jacob Wong wrote: > Dear all, I have this (3.0 A) structure that has 8 molecules per ASU - > Phaser was able to find 7 molecules correctly, but not the last one, as > indicated by the .sol file (TFZ=5.1) below and the resultant density map. I > tried to delete the

Re: [ccp4bb] Convention on residue numbering of fusion proteins?

2012-10-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Meindert Lamers wrote: > Is there any convention on the numbering of residues in a fusion protein? > > I have a structure of two domains fused together but would like to keep the > biological numbering intact. > 1st domain: residue 200-300 (protein A). > 2nd domain

Re: [ccp4bb] Etiquette on publishing if there is a crystallization report from someone else.

2012-09-25 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: > I would assume that someone who publishes crystallisation conditions has > given up solving the structure or some other reason to encourage others > to pick up the project, i.e., no, I don't see much point NOT > publishing your data. I always a

Re: [ccp4bb] Off-topic: Best Scripting Language

2012-09-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM, James Stroud wrote: > Also, python (aka python 2) and python 3000 (aka python 3) are considered > two different languages. It's not reasonable to consider them one language > and then complain that they are incompatible. Python 3 was created as a new > language (a

Re: [ccp4bb] Off-topic: Best Scripting Language

2012-09-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Jacob Keller wrote: > since this probably comes up a lot in manipulation of pdb/reflection files > and so on, I was curious what people thought would be the best language for > the following: I have some huge (100s MB) tables of tab-delimited data on > which I woul

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating I/sig when sig = 0

2012-08-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Jim Pflugrath wrote: > Singly-measured reflections should have a sigma from Poisson counting > statistics, so that should not be a problem. A problem might occur if the > X-ray background is exactly zero and the observed (sic) intensity is exactly > zero. Or the

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac or PC?

2012-08-09 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Lee, Ting Wai wrote: > May I ask a very general question? I am going to buy a laptop. I am going to > do a lot of structural biology work on it using programs such as CCP4, > Phenix, Coot and Pymol. Mac or PC, which is better? See this morning's thread. Short ans

Re: [ccp4bb] Various OSes and Crystallography

2012-08-09 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Quentin Delettre wrote: > I have seen that in the last Mac Os, X11 have been removed... But can still > be used with some package installation. I guess it isn't distributed with the OS any more - but it is still available: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/ -

Re: [ccp4bb] Various OSes and Crystallography

2012-08-09 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Jacob Keller wrote: > one. Are there any really reasonable arguments for preferring Mac over > windows (or linux) with regard to crystallography? What can Mac/Linux do > that windows cannot (especially considering that there is Cygwin)? What > wonderful features am

Re: [ccp4bb] MR with Phaser

2012-08-01 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Uma Ratu wrote: > The protein is in tetramer form. I define this by using the residue number > (1332) which is 4 x monomer. > > After run, Phaser only gave 9 partial solutions, and no solution with all > components. The resulted PDB contains only dimer form of the

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Ethan Merritt wrote: > As to the home source - no. > Neither Cu nor Zn has appreciable anomalous signal when excited with a > Cu K-alpha home source. > http://www.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter > > An element's emission edge (Cu K-alpha in this case) is about 1 keV

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Haytham Wahba wrote: > 1- if i have anomalous peak of unknown heavy atom, How can i identify this > heavy atom in general. (different methods) > > 2- in my case, i see anomalous peak in heavy atom binding site (without any > soaking). preliminary i did mass spec.

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Refinement Program

2012-07-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Scott Foy wrote: > We are computationally averaging several homologous protein structures into a > single structure. This of course will lead to a single protein structure that > possesses poor biophysical characteristics of bond lengths, bond angles, > steric h

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D. wrote: > Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce evaporation. I > used to do this also as a postdoc, but I worried whether I risked nitrogen > gas poisoning from liquid N2 boil-off, since the cold room did not seem ve

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfactors stuck very high

2012-07-08 Thread Nat Echols
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM, James Garnett wrote: > I have found a molecular replacement solution in I212121 using an NMR > structure of the same protein and MR-ROSETTA/PHENIX (PHASER LLG=128 > TFZ=12.3), although I can not refine this below R ~45% and Rfree ~50%. The > maps look OK in parts

Re: [ccp4bb] help regarding structure solution

2012-06-20 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM, sonali dhindwal < sonali11dhind...@yahoo.co.in> wrote: > > I am working on a protein for last so many years and for which i have got > crystal now in a tray which i kept 1 years ago. It diffracts well and > resolution is 2.2A, which is good. > > I indexed in HKL20

Re: [ccp4bb] Model submission

2012-06-19 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:35 AM, RHYS GRINTER wrote: > There's no significant difference between the high res and low res proteins > in the shared region (amino acid 38+) (r.m.s.d 0.46 A), and the while there > is broken density for the first 38aa from the full length data it's too poor > to mo

Re: [ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Frank von Delft wrote: > Finding 111 sites should be feasible without other tricks than very careful > data collection (see below);  if you have two or more copies in the ASU, you > may find you need to do what the ribosome guys did, namely use other > derivatives

Re: [ccp4bb] metal modelling in coot

2012-05-05 Thread Nat Echols
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Pavel Afonine wrote: > may be I'm missing something but I think all you need to do is to place (add > to PDB file) a Zn2+ into a blob of density that you believe that Zn belongs > to, and then most of refinement tools will take care of it automatically. So > I'm not

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac executables - win vs linux in RHEL VM

2012-04-07 Thread Nat Echols
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Roger Rowlett wrote: > I don't know the state of current software, because I haven't tried > recently, but when I set up my student crystallography workstations a few > years back I noticed many packages (e.g. EPMR, Phaser) that had potentially > long run times (whe

Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

2012-04-02 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Maria Sola i Vilarrubias wrote: > About a wrongly fit compound, the reviewer can ask images about the model in > a map calculated at a specific sigma and in different orientations. This will often be insufficient, I'm afraid. We generally assume good faith on the

Re: [ccp4bb] offtopic : Signed binaries in the next OS X

2012-02-16 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Francis E Reyes wrote: > The problem is not developers ensuring their identities by signing their > apps.  It's that there's now a (small) barrier for the end user in installing > unsigned apps. > > The implementation has yet to be seen, but will getting around t

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