Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-26 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 16:56, Alan Brown wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > I agree with this, but who is going to provide the support. > > Paying $500/year for development support would be easily justifiable, with > support charges ramping up for those who actually need han

RE: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-26 Thread David Boyes
> I would like any such companies to step forward, because the > idea here for Bacula is not to make money, but to cover out > of pocket costs of development. I'm up for it. If a foundation controls the actual Bacula code ownership, it's fairly simple to have "support" providers contribute

RE: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-26 Thread David Boyes
I'd also point out that this is the route that OpenAFS took. It seems to scale pretty well, with one or two commercial providers contributing funds and development hardware from support contract revenue. OpenAFS created a foundation to manage the contributions and hardware, thus providing an audit

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-26 Thread Alan Brown
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: I agree with this, but who is going to provide the support. Paying $500/year for development support would be easily justifiable, with support charges ramping up for those who actually need handholding, via an external contractor I'm sure there are

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-26 Thread Alan Brown
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Pal Dorogi wrote: From my experience, and I'm sure someone's already said this... the best was to get money, at least where I work, is to consider the money a support contract. My superiors like running software without a support contract even less than they like paying fo

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-26 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Friday 26 August 2005 00:22, Ludovic Strappazon wrote: > Hi, > > I agree with Arno. > > There's also something wich hurts me : a small company with ~ 2 servers > and 10 workstation would pay 100 $, and a General Electric, for example, > would pay only 500 $ ! Well, 100 $ is given compared to com

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-25 Thread Ludovic Strappazon
Hi, I agree with Arno. There's also something wich hurts me : a small company with ~ 2 servers and 10 workstation would pay 100 $, and a General Electric, for example, would pay only 500 $ ! Well, 100 $ is given compared to commercial software, but it is not equitable in my opinion. With th

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 22:05 +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: > That would be nice. > > > however my time is pretty taken up with Legacy and with a book I"m > > writing, > so we'll see (: If I can't get to it myself, I'll toss it up there for somebody else who wants to help out. > Good luck with your

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 21:18, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:53 +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > Yes, anyone can create anything from the source. > > Ok, cool. > > > I'm not sure about the requirements for Fedora Extras and CentOS > > Extras. > > Yeah, wasn't questioning that, I

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:53 +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: > Yes, anyone can create anything from the source. Ok, cool. > I'm not sure about the requirements for Fedora Extras and CentOS > Extras. Yeah, wasn't questioning that, I'm somewhat familiar w/ them. > I'm not trying to restrict anyone an

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 19:53, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 18:12 +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > Yes, but none of those organizations or any other packager uses our > > source rpm. Also, please note very carefully the word "probably" in the > > above sentence -- that means, I

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 18:12 +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: > Yes, but none of those organizations or any other packager uses our source > rpm. Also, please note very carefully the word "probably" in the above > sentence -- that means, I am unsure about what I am saying or undecided. > Ok, but som

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 17:40, David Boyes wrote: > > I would like any such companies to step forward, because the > > idea here for Bacula is not to make money, but to cover out > > of pocket costs of development. > > I'm up for it. Could you explain in more detail what you feel you could do?

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 17:31, Matthias Kurz wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 August 2005 16:41, Matthias Kurz wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > If you want to read about my idea, please visit: > > > > ht

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Matthias Kurz
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > On Wednesday 24 August 2005 16:41, Matthias Kurz wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > If you want to read about my idea, please visit: > > > http://www.bacula.org/OpenSourceFunding.html Your comments are welcome.

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Ryan Novosielski
What my superiors generally mean for software support is that if the product is broken, there will be some assurance that it will be fixed and allow us to do business. From what I understand, this already takes place fairly regularly -- if you report a bug, chances are it will get fixed (I see

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 17:08 +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: > I would like any such companies to step forward, because the idea here for > Bacula is not to make money, but to cover out of pocket costs of development. > If others can make some money and at the same time help the project, so be > it. I

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 16:56, Alan Brown wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > I agree with this, but who is going to provide the support. > > Paying $500/year for development support would be easily justifiable, with > support charges ramping up for those who actually need han

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 16:41, Matthias Kurz wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > [...] > > > If you want to read about my idea, please visit: > > http://www.bacula.org/OpenSourceFunding.html Your comments are welcome. > > Hi. > > Can you say with few words what the consequen

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 16:42, Alan Brown wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Pal Dorogi wrote: > >> From my experience, and I'm sure someone's already said this... the best > >> was to get money, at least where I work, is to consider the money a > >> support contract. My superiors like running softw

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-24 Thread Pal Dorogi
Hi, From my experience, and I'm sure someone's already said this... the best was to get money, at least where I work, is to consider the money a support contract. My superiors like running software without a support contract even less than they like paying for things. ;) I will stand in wi

Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-devel] Bacula status

2005-08-23 Thread Ryan Novosielski
From my experience, and I'm sure someone's already said this... the best was to get money, at least where I work, is to consider the money a support contract. My superiors like running software without a support contract even less than they like paying for things. ;) _ _ _ _ ___ _ _