Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3085 assigned to Murphy

2011-08-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 5:33 PM, ais523 wrote: > Well, we already notified Hillary Clinton of a criminal CFJ against her > (and she's been used as the standard example of a nonplayer ever since). > There was even a response, although I think it was autogenerated. > (http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc

DIS: Re: BUS: If e can't speak for emself...

2011-08-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:40 PM, John Smith wrote: > Evidence: > (from Rule 2351) "The game of Agora, but not any player of it, can make > arbitrary changes to the gamestate." > Agora is a player according to the most recent Census. > > > Arguments: > The rule quote in the Evidence is worded poorl

Re: DIS: any winning or contests?

2011-08-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Am I right when I say no one has actually won the game recently, > not even Walker?  Or did I miss a successful victory case or two? > Or is the dumb system completely broken. I satisfied Accumulation on July 12, but I forgot to initiate a vic

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3086 assigned to omd

2011-08-14 Thread omd
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3086 > > ==  CFJ 3086  == > >    Agora's right to participate in the fora is substantially >    limited. > > ===

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Second try on the long-term ambassador proposal

2011-08-17 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Honestly a lot of this/almost all of this is up to the other Nomic. Not necessarily. In Tiger's BlogNomic post: > I now wish to leave the game, but use this account to re-enter > the game with my current screen name, Agora Nomic. As I am th

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > Also, if I'm not mistaken, Proposals 7111 and 7115 do exist and were > distributed; the Deputy Promotor implicitly submitted them by > distributing them. So. CoE: the author of Proposals 7111 and 7115 was > actually Deputy Pr

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:25 PM, omd wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: >> Also, if I'm not mistaken, Proposals 7111 and 7115 do exist and were >> distributed; the Deputy Promotor implicitly submitted them by >> distributing them. So. CoE: th

DIS: Coming clean?

2011-08-22 Thread omd
for me not paying the fine However, I did pay: 1906: 1 Note Therefore, I have paid 1 out of 6 fines during my time as a player, although 5 out of 6 were all imposed in the last two months. Other statistics: I have by far the record for criminal cases initiated against me: omd 50

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-22 Thread omd
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> *7111  1.0  Tanner L.   Points for the Big Guy >> *7115  1.0  Tanner L.   Relax / Stroke Hell > > CoE: not that either of these would have any effect due to > insufficient AI, but these p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Purported distributions don't self-ratify.  Purported resolutions do > (R2034), including (for decisions on proposals) the implicit claim that > the proposal exists. The rule which would invalidate it for missing essential parameters is R107, w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> The rule which would invalidate it for missing essential parameters is >> R107, which includes the "lack is correctly identified within one >> week" clause. > > Hm, not exactly.  For a Decision to be initiated by R107, both: > (1) The initiato

Re: DIS: Coming clean?

2011-08-25 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > omd, how did I get on your lists?  I'm not even a current player. The lists are based on Murphy's CotC database, and include all the old CFJs in that database. :)

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: effectiveness of mislabelled proposals

2011-08-25 Thread omd
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I CFJ on: {{Proposal 7117 amended Rule 2349.}} > > Arguments: In the purported distribution of proposal 7117, as well as > in the message purporting to resolve the Agoran Decision to adopt it, > it was listed as having an adoption index of 1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: For quorum reasons

2011-08-26 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Pavitra wrote: > On 08/26/2011 07:03 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> I vote PRESENT on every proposal I can, unless someone persuades me that >> that's a bad idea. > > I read this as a conditional vote dependent on a condition that cannot > easily be evaluated by the vote

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7119 - 7124

2011-09-10 Thread omd
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 13:05, Ed Murphy wrote: >> omd                2A >> >> Quorum        7     7     7     7     7     7 >> Voters        6     7     6     6     6     6 > > hahahaha is it time for me to surrender to B now?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3086 judged FALSE by woggle

2011-09-13 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If there were a rule that stated "Woggle CANNOT legally post messages > on eir own behalf; only the passage a proposal containing eir message > CAN do so" wouldn't you feel that your right to participate was being > infringed upon? Not if e wa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: egaf

2011-10-06 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Arkady English wrote: > I submit the following proposal to the ruleskeepor: > > In order to demonstrate their committment to justice, all standing judges are > required to wear a sword at all times. Any player required to wear a sword > found > not to be wearing a

DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP actions

2011-10-16 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > I nominate omd for Rulekeepor. For reference, I just updated my online ruleset to include the proposal that was adopted a month ago.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Actually, time for a test

2011-10-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > Arguments: It'll come in with "BUS:" prefixed to the subject line if > approved; no mail client is going to merge two messages with different > subjects without any kind of threading info. iirc, not if it already has BUS:, so you can make you

DIS: Re: BUS: my first post

2011-10-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Amar Chendra wrote: > when we have to compare two entities we have to define one thing first. > .AmarChandra okay

DIS: Re: BUS: Was planning to fix anyway...

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >      As soon as possible after a Victory Announcement ratifies, or >      a judgement confirming the veracity of a victory announcement >      has been in effect and unappealed for one week, and provided >      the person(s) named have not alre

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3109, 3111 assigned to omd

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM, John Smith wrote: > I suggest that a Player file a Motion to Reconsider CfJ 3109.  Among other > objections, the judgment is inconsistent with the judge's arguments.  All > information necessary to render a judgment of TRUE or FALSE is public, and > the statemen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3109, 3111 assigned to omd

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Pavitra wrote: >> Mr. Smith, the statement is nonsensical because referring to the >> Victory Condition of Being Bucky, without quotes, implies that there >> is such an entity that is a Victory Condition. > > A question that presupposes a falsehood may be nonsensic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3109, 3111 assigned to omd

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Pavitra wrote: > 1. There is no Victory Condition of Being Bucky. > 2. For all X, X is not the Victory Condition of Being Bucky. > 3. For all X, it is not the case that both X is the Victory Condition of > Being Bucky and Mr. Smith has satisfied X. > 4. For all X,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3109, 3111 assigned to omd

2011-10-23 Thread omd
matched the referent you collectively are claiming did not make sense) Yes, but if I said { I am the Speaker. CfJ: Speaker omd is a player. } It would not be TRUE just because I am a player and it's clear what I was referring to-- I'm still not the Speaker.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3109 reconsideration requested by Pavitra, omd, G. (still assigned to omd)

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Pavitra wrote: > The point of a CfJ is to _resolve controversy_. You could give that > argument for any question about which people disagree. This is not an interesting controversy, because the ambiguity lies entirely in the statement.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3114 assigned to woggle

2011-10-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Arguments: > 1.  Once the promise is in someone else's hands, G. generally can't > prevent the breach from occurring (see R1504(e)). > 2.  This promise contained an illegal action when the promise was > created.  The judge is asked to also opi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Opinion, CFJ 3110

2011-10-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Pavitra wrote: > On 10/24/2011 07:27 PM, omd wrote: >> Proposal: No shame in trying (AI=1.7) >> >> Amend Rule 2343 (Victory Cases) by replacing "SHAME" with "NO GLORY". > > AGAINST. I like victory having flavorful

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7135

2011-10-31 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:29 PM, omd wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Sean Hunt >> wrote: >>> NUM  AI  AUTHOR      TITLE >>> 7135 1.7 G.          Fixing Victory v2.02 >> ☑ > > Is this

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: On the Mister Snuggles cases

2011-11-04 Thread omd
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Mister Snuggles wrote: > i intend to deputise for the cotc to take each of the following actions: > > * rotate the bench. > * recuse yally from cfj 3105. > * assign cfj 3105 to g. > * assign cfj 3105 to omd. > * assign cfj 3105 to pavitra. >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: On the Mister Snuggles cases

2011-11-06 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I announce my intent to deputize for the cotc to recuse yally from > cfjs 3105 and 3106, and to assign those cfjs to myself (G.) thus > limiting ambiguity to date-of-assignment.  Or Murphy can do this > first of course; won't judge until so assi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I don't get it

2011-11-07 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Considered it's only to be used when there's something buggy which > would probably be fixed when caught, a good compromise is to add a > sentence to another officer (Registrar?) Perhaps just remove the requirement that switches be tracked by a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3122 assigned to ais523

2011-11-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> Amend Rule 2338 (Cashing Promises) by replacing "MUST" with "must". >> > Why not just make the action INEFFECTIVE if there is insufficient context? I think lowercase "must" is fine (in fact, it's used elsewhere in the same rule!), although it m

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7136-7143

2011-11-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > 7137 3.0 omd.        okay, this has gotten silly > 7138 1.0 omd.        Whereto Paradox? > 7139 1.7 omd.        This is still an issue CoE: My nickname is omd.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: E won, once

2011-11-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > As the above announcement has just self-ratified, omd has just > Won the Game. > > I award omd Champion (High Score). Thanks!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7136-7143

2011-11-14 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Tanner Swett wrote: >> "perform a sequence of events" is ungrammatical, > > I don't see how. Are you saying that it's not the sequence that is > performed, but the events within it? You can't perform an event, only an action. >> and the rule arguably fails to wor

DIS: Re: BUS: I'm probably going to get away with this.

2011-11-19 Thread omd
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote: > I would also point out that, in the unlikely event that I am found GUILTY, > great care would need to be taken to select an appropriate sentence, because > a sentence of APOLOGY (usually for crimes of class <4), FINE (I have no > relevant as

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3127 assigned to scshunt

2011-12-05 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >      * EXCLUSION, appropriate for rule breaches by a non-player.  When >        a judgement of EXCLUSION has been in effect continuously for >        one week, the ninny CANNOT register for one month after that >        time. How about just allow

DIS: [OOPS!] Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7136 - 7143

2011-12-07 Thread omd
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Voting results for Proposals 7136 - 7143: > > [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the >  following proposals.  For each decision, the options available to >  Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!).]

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3127 assigned to scshunt

2011-12-07 Thread omd
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:33 PM, John Smith wrote: > CfJ (1), inquiry, barring scshunt: > "Scshunt violated a rule with his judgment on the Criminal Case above." Gratuitous: Purporting to do something impossible, even intentionally, is not currently a rule violation.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: anyway

2011-12-09 Thread omd
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Pavitra wrote: > I disfavor this case. NttPF.

DIS: Re: BUS: It's been well over a week now

2011-12-11 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > CFJ: If and when the Victory Announcement in the same message that > created this CFJ self-ratifies, if the rules regarding victory have not > changed since, then ais523 will Win the Game. Gratuitous: "won via the same events" is an inherently

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This doesn't do anything useful, but it's sure nifty that it's possible

2011-12-12 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Such as The President.  Also, there was a scam a while back to >> assign positive power to a first-class player (I think G.); did >> that go through, and if so, did we reverse it? > > Yes, I had the arbitrary-changes-to-the-ruleset rule set my

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3136 assigned to Pavitra

2011-12-14 Thread omd
his standard only applies in a relatively narrow > range of cases. There are a great many situations where the text of the > rules clearly allows some form of deliciously horrible scammy brokenness > But when all else fails, choose the non-perverse reading. > > I cash the Promise (

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I think we found a time paradox

2011-12-21 Thread omd
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM, ais523 wrote: > Yes. I don't want to give too much more information, though. Maybe this is one of those cases where first there's a CFJ on a simple statement - the judge selects whichever interpretation looks most reasonable at first glance - then a scam is pulled

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I think we found a time paradox

2011-12-21 Thread omd
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM, omd wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM, ais523 wrote: >> Yes. I don't want to give too much more information, though. > > Maybe (On second thought, I guess e's going to submit a Victory Announcement after a judgement on this case

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A protective proposal

2012-01-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM, FSX wrote: > Though I don't see any evidence of that, it stands that I don't have the > power to make a 3.9... power rule. I'd need at least 3. The relevant clauses: (2) A term explicitly defined by the Rules, along with its ordinary-language syno

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A protective proposal

2012-01-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:36 PM, FSX wrote: > 3.9... was meant to be 3 followed by an infinite number of nines, yes. This is exactly 4.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A protective proposal

2012-01-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > That sure wasn't clear to me.  While I'm assuming mathematical symbols > count as "terms" in R754, the ellipsis could be confused with two dots > and a period, or a typo, so I'm guessing it's not clear enough for R105. > -G. Indeed, I thought

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7144-7153

2012-01-10 Thread omd
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> 7145 2   omd                  A controversial proposal > > AGAINST (I think you meant "unambiguous" there at the end?) The intent expressed in such a message is necessarily ambiguous, but required to be unambiguous.

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-01-12 Thread omd
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:31 PM, 441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: > I submit a proposal with title {fix to 1023/28} and text {Amend Rule > 1023/28 by replacing the text {Agoran weeks begin at midnight UTC on > Monday.} with {Agoran weeks begin when Mondays begin.} and replacing > the text {Agoran m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-01-13 Thread omd
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > At first I thought "putting on the revision number means it breaks if > another proposal changes the revision number in the meantime" but then > I thought "is it even possible to amend a specific revision number of > a rule?" so maybe it break

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3146 assigned to Pavitra

2012-01-14 Thread omd
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM, 441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: > I retract case 3147. I retract case 3149. You can't retract 3147 as it has already had a judge assigned to it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3145 assigned to ais523

2012-01-14 Thread omd
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM, ais523 wrote: > "a is true IFF b is true", as a hypothetical, can be invalidated by > anything that's a hypothetical b but not an a, no matter how unlikely, > surely? There's no rule that says judgements should ignore the possibility of rule changes but allow for

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-01-23 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM, 441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: > I initiate a criminal case naming omd as the Accused, failing to > publish the Promotor's report during the week Mon. 16 - Sun. 22 and > distribute the proposals currently in the proposal pool that were in >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I call 441,334 CFJs

2012-01-29 Thread omd
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > —Machiavelli

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I call 441,334 CFJs

2012-01-29 Thread omd
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:35 PM, omd wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: >>> —Machiavelli > > ...Did I spell it wrong? > > —Machiavelli No, but it has been generally used to refe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections

2012-01-30 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:07 PM, ais523 wrote: >> TTttPF > > And I went to all the trouble of writing > >                               "To: > deliberately nttpf > " > > and someone /still/ calls me on it…? TTttPF != NttPF.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections

2012-01-30 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM, ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 18:23 -0500, omd wrote: >> TTttPF != NttPF. > > Wait, is it even possible to TTttPF someone else's message? I vaguely recall that this has been tried before, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

DIS: Re: BUS: This will definitely work

2012-01-30 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: >> With Agoran Consent, I intend to register the OmNom Constitution. >> >> (I intend to, later on, have the ONC state, "I support and do so", >> then call a CFJ on its playerhood.) >> >> —Machiavelli > > Okay, honestly, that action is never goi

DIS: Re: BUS: Fret, ye police

2012-02-01 Thread omd
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:12 PM, FSX wrote: > CFJ: I committed the Class-1 Crime of Naughtiness. ehirs committed the > Class-14 Crime of Naughtiness. If you want a criminal case, you need to specify the rule number. (maybe this initiated one or two inquiry cases?)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7144 - 7153

2012-02-02 Thread omd
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proposal 7144 (AI=1.7) by Murphy > Extraterritorial jurisdiction > > Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by inserting this text immediately > before the bullet point for EXILE: Amendment fails due to insufficient power. Ruleset updated, sorry abou

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7164 and 7166 - 7173

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I CFJ (linked) on: >     (1) The Prisoner is a player. >     Arguments:  E never explicitly consented (R101iii). > >     (2) The Prisoner's R101(vii) rights have been violated. >     Arguments:  If e is a player, eir ability to deregister is >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7164 and 7166 - 7173

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > [It's often bothered me that R101 could be gotten around by redefining > "person" (for example via R2150). This is only a problem now that Rule 2150 is Power 3...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Here goes nothing

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Didn't this come up in another scam, that "otherwise impossible" > includes things that are "regulated" as being "otherwise impossible to > change" except as defined?  I say "came up", I don't say I remember the > decision! http://zenith.homel

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, omd wrote: >> THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET > > COE:  The text of R2130 is incorrect (and 1006 too). > > The ruleset (and omd's rules website) seems to be missing some effects > of Proposal 6959 (

DIS: Re: BUS: Here goes nothing

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Gratuitous:  The first method being limited to the announcer is an > inherent part of it, and similarly without-objection is an inherent > part of the second.  Past exceptions to this common-sense approach > have depended on alternate constructi

DIS: Re: BUS: The Village, take two

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > I create a Slave Golem named Number Two. > > I announce that I will never cause Number Two to deregister. > > I cause Number Two to announce that e wants to deregister. I announce that I want to deregister. ...But my R101 rights haven't been v

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Golemkeepor] Golem Census

2012-02-18 Thread omd
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > CFJ: The Registrar's Report includes within its list of all players a list > of all Golems. Why wouldn't it?

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> I cash the promise titled {Anyone Can Mislead The Leader}. > > > Note to H. Promotor omd:  if this was effective (I don't remember > anyone causing the President to taunt the police), then it caused > FKA441344 to sub

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3151 assigned to G.

2012-02-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > The first multiple-statement CFJ that I > remember is CFJ 1266, which was dismissed due to a different but > similar rule. Obligatory digging: CFJ 6 most likely counts (http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/stare_detail/06.txt).

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3171 assigned to G.

2012-02-26 Thread omd
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:28 PM, omd wrote: > I intend to call for reconsideration of this judgement with two > support.  Changing Activity is regulated per R2125 c) and e) and thus > impossible to perform "except as allowed by the rules", while Rule > 1688 states that se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3171 assigned to G.

2012-02-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Disputant omd's arguments are either purposefully or idiotically > obtuse.  I have clearly and directly stated in my original > judgement why security is applicable in spite of the rules in > question being >=2.  It is clear in context that the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Golemkeepor] Golem Census

2012-03-04 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM, FKA441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Elliott Hird > wrote: >> On 28 February 2012 00:01, FKA441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Fri 17 Feb 03:33  Mr. Incredible changes eir name to '. I cause'. >>> Fri 17 Feb 03:33  '. I cause' der

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 3169

2012-03-10 Thread omd
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I judge CFJ 3169 TRUE. By the way, I add as supporting evidence that "implicitly caused it to explicitly" has been game custom since CFJ 2101. (Although, as usually happens when I read my past judgements, the writing comes off as rubbish, I st

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2012-03-11 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > I register. > -- > bayes 2012-03-21 02:22:50 + This is a good idea.

DIS: Re: BUS: hmm

2012-03-11 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Proposal: Truisms (AI=3) > {{{ > Enact a new 3-power rule entitled "The Cold Hard Truth" reading "Every > rule has an exception." > }}} AGAINST, Rule 104 does not have an exception.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3176 judged UNDETERMINED by omd

2012-03-12 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > I intend, with two support, to appeal this case. I request a with > prejudice ruling as Judge omd inappropriately discharged eir duties in > this case. Gratuitous: The lack of arguments aside, without any evidence as to what sor

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Interstellar Administration Report

2012-03-12 Thread omd
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:12 AM, FKA441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: > Speaker        FKA441344                04 Feb 12     Nice.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2012-03-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 2:36 PM, FKA441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: > v Golem-1             c/o FKA441344                  04 Mar 12   05 Mar 12 > v Golem-2             c/o FKA441344                  04 Mar 12   05 Mar 12 > ... > v Golem-50            c/o FKA441344                  04 Mar 12   05

DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-13 Thread omd
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Mister Snuggles wrote: > i am not a player. > > i register. > > cfj arguments: to agora, all nonplayers are interchangeable. > > mister snuggles Huh, and I always thought it was G.. This message appears to have been sent from Gmail (also, the DKIM signature is c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-14 Thread omd
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 14 March 2012 13:16, FSX wrote: >> I am not Mister Snuggles. > > You and everybody else. Posting it to a-b might give it more weight in > the form of the illegality of lying, though. Lying is not illegal anymore.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3176 judged UNDETERMINED by omd

2012-03-14 Thread omd
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > The actual judgement on the case is not what I'm getting at here, as > it is rather trivial. The purpose of this appeal is to challenge the > process of judges discharging their duties and deliberately assigning > inappropriate opinions on c

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3190 assigned to scshunt

2012-03-20 Thread omd
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > NOT GUILTY. The caller has provided no evidence that omd emself > violated Rule 2170, but rather, that the golem formerly known as Mr. > Incredible did. (Maybe we should bring back the pre-trial period.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2012-03-22 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > omd wrote: > >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:34 PM, omd  wrote: >> >>> THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET >> >> >> CoE: The implicit list of Notable cases here is incorrect > >> because I haven't yet

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-22 Thread omd
NttPF

DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-22 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM, John Smith wrote: > CfJ, inquiry: > "The Executor of the message quoted in the evidence cannot be determined with > reasonable effort except by judicial declaration" Gratuitous: IRRELEVANT, as "Mister Snuggles" has never attempted to support any intents, and the

Re: DIS: recursion works here?

2012-03-23 Thread omd
Or: "The basis of a Golem is the basis of its owner; if this would result in circularity, it has an empty basis and is Emancipated. A non-Emancipated Golem with an empty basis is in Storage."

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-25 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Mister Snuggles wrote: > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM, omd wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM, John Smith wrote: >>> CfJ, inquiry: >>> "The Executor of the message quoted in the evidence cannot be determined >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > omd wrote: > >>> 7196 3   scshunt     Truisms >> >> AGAINST >>> >>> 7198 1   scshunt     Xenophobia >> >> AGAINST > > > I think maybe you something out here. I didn't, see my followup message.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Proposal, "Untitled", AI-3 please: > > !#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c Wash your mouth out this instant!

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-30 Thread omd
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:54 AM, FKA441344 <441...@gmail.com> wrote: >> 7193 3   omd         I think these turned out to be too much work > I spend a ruble to double my voting limit on this and vote AGAINST it. >> 7196 3   scshunt     Truisms > I spend a ruble to double

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2012-03-30 Thread omd
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Thought: Do not allow on arbitrary slave golems. Create a new class of > vote-eligible golems with more restricted creation rules. Meh. I don't want to force people to create Golems with game mechanics that require using one to achieve the max

DIS: Re: BUS: Segfault

2012-04-01 Thread omd
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM, John Smith wrote: > I cause BuckyBot to initiate an Inquiry CfJ with this statement: "BuckyBot's > Rule 101 rights to initiate a process to resolve matters of controversy have > been violated." > If BuckyBot has not successfully initiated a CfJ, I initiate an Inqu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2012-04-01 Thread omd
Here's a vague proposal: There are N named tokens, which grant both +2 voting limit and additional ruble income (to add a bit of permanence); every so often, tokens are returned to the LFD and auctioned off for rubles.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 3164

2012-04-03 Thread omd
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > A non-player should not be under obligation to pay attention to any > forum. Adding penalties that require action (to avoid accumulating more > penalties) create this requirement for a non-player. I think I agree with you, but note that I did

DIS: Re: BUS: I promise to intend to...

2012-04-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:16 AM, John Smith wrote: > Arguments: Cashing a promise causes its text to be effectively published by > its author; it doesn't actually cause them to send a message.  The person who > most directly caused the message to be sent is the person who cashed the > promise. 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Let newcomers vote on proposals

2012-04-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > IIRC this was originally part of anti-invasion stuff. I'd be happy to see it > go. It does prevent a simple scam: post dictatorship proposal, have large numbers of sockpuppets register one minute before the end of the voting period.

Re: DIS: Protoproto: The Ancient Golems

2012-04-14 Thread omd
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Idea for a voting mechanic: > > The Ancient Golems are numbered and ordered. Possibly named? There > will be a resetting cycle, similar to the old Poobah's monthly > mechanic, which I will refer to regularly. > > Ancient Golems have a voting limi

DIS: Re: BUS: voting golems

2012-04-16 Thread omd
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >       The eligible voters on a decision with an adoption index are >       those entities that were active first-class players at the start >       of its voting period.  Setting or changing an entity's voting >       limit on such a decision,

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