Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-02 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >Balderdash. This depends on your reading of what "required" applies to. "Required" has a pretty clear meaning in this context, obviously referring to rule-imposed obligations. The assessor is required to publish the results of voting on proposals. There is no requirement to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Zefram wrote: > In the present case, we have the voting period on proposals. There's > nothing in CFJ 1434 to support the holiday rule altering voting periods > that end within a holiday. Balderdash. This depends on your reading of what "required" applies to. "Required to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-02 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >If the expiration of a voting period is an event, and the start of the >voting period is certainly an event, then > If some Rule bases the time of a future event upon the time of > another event, >applies. "... and that other event occurs during a Holiday,". The start of t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-02 Thread comex
On 1/2/08, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > comex wrote: > >* At least one of the votes in root's message with message-id > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is > >valid. > > Rubbish. CFJ 1434 is about using the expiration of the grace period > as the event that starts a time-limited obligation. If the exp

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-02 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >* At least one of the votes in root's message with message-id ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is >valid. Rubbish. CFJ 1434 is about using the expiration of the grace period as the event that starts a time-limited obligation. If that expiration occurs during a holiday then the holiday rule ext

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2008-01-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, comex wrote: > Arguments: > See CFJ 1434. The relevant portion of CFJ 1769 (If some Rule > requires... if some Rule bases) is unchanged from the time of CFJ 1434 > (evidence (2)) to now (evidence (3)). Well-spotted! Seems like a pretty good precedent there. -Goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-01 Thread Iammars
Completely missed that. Meh. Back to working on the blog proposal. On Jan 1, 2008 3:08 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 1, 2008 1:03 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shouldn't that be a logical extension of the holiday period though? The > > holiday period seems like a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-01 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 1, 2008 1:03 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shouldn't that be a logical extension of the holiday period though? The > holiday period seems like a time for everyone to take a break from the game > and enjoy the holidays. > > *gets idea for a proposal* This is what Murphy's "Symmetr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-01 Thread Iammars
Shouldn't that be a logical extension of the holiday period though? The holiday period seems like a time for everyone to take a break from the game and enjoy the holidays. *gets idea for a proposal* On Jan 1, 2008 2:55 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Kelly wrote: > >(Some or all of t

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2008-01-01 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >(Some or all of these votes may be too late to be valid.) Holidays don't extend voting periods. A quorum problem would, however. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: >> I'm sorry, but this is absolutely ridiculous. If this argument passes >> muster, I will personally lie and exaggerate about every game event and >> let you sort it out. -Goethe > > I'm not saying that it's good, merely that it could be worse. And if > yo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: 2) 1048576 is such a huge number in context that it could be interpreted as an implicit "most of these will be invalid" disclaimer. (A player who intentionally casts just a few more votes than eir voting limit would be more likely to sl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: > 2) 1048576 is such a huge number in context that it could be interpreted > as an implicit "most of these will be invalid" disclaimer. (A player > who intentionally casts just a few more votes than eir voting limit > would be more likely to slip it pa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-23 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Sunday 23 December 2007 09:24:27 comex wrote: > On Dec 23, 2007 1:24 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Arguments: comex has stated specifically in the past that e does not > > believe that e has huge numbers of ordinary votes, nor would any reasonable > > person. So e has made a

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2007-12-23 Thread comex
On Dec 23, 2007 1:24 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arguments: comex has stated specifically in the past that e does not > believe that e has huge numbers of ordinary votes, nor would any reasonable > person. So e has made a false representation of eir voting power with > a demonstr

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2007-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: I CFJ on the following statement (criminal case): comex has violated Rule 2149 in his communication of voting on proposal 5375. Arguments: comex has stated specifically in the past that e does not believe that e has huge numbers of ordinary votes, nor would any reasonable person

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Taral wrote: > On 12/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Of course e should. It's still misrepresentation. What about any/every >> player who tries to keep some kind of reasonable tally on how voting is >> going? Should they be constantly required to check agai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-22 Thread Taral
On 12/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course e should. It's still misrepresentation. What about any/every > player who tries to keep some kind of reasonable tally on how voting is > going? Should they be constantly required to check against the report in > light of obvious fal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
> On 12/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With all due respect to the recordkeepors, the Assessor should be > taking the VLOP into account when recording votes to prevent > accidental over-voting. Of course e should. It's still misrepresentation. What about any/every player who tr

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-22 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Saturday 22 December 2007 23:24:16 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I CFJ on the following statement (criminal case): comex has violated > Rule 2149 in his communication of voting on proposal 5375. > > Arguments: comex has stated specifically in the past that e does not > believe that e has huge numbe

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-22 Thread Taral
On 12/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arguments: comex has stated specifically in the past that e does not > believe that e has huge numbers of ordinary votes, nor would any reasonable > person. So e has made a false representation of eir voting power with > a demonstrated lack of