Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-04 Thread ATMunn
I never really looked much at this, but I absolutely agree. I wanna throw books at people! :D On 11/4/2017 1:45 AM, VJ Rada wrote: Yellow Cards & Red Cards should absolutely be switched, no question. Yellow Cards are so much stronger. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Kerim Aydin mailto:ke...@u

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
However, it is possible to have such things work on some level. First, one important point. Commodifying crime (by making people buy off their penalty) changes the mentality from "I cheated and it's just plain wrong" to "that's the cost of doing business". With that mentality, at least for lo

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I have some plans brewing for judicial reform and I can try to share a full draft in the next few days. On 11/04/2017 12:22 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I'm getting tired of waiting for others to release judicial reform > proposals, and am considering writing my own. As a loyal member (am I > the he

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2017-11-04 at 08:56 +0100, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > unfair > > but that's the fun part lol. Also, kind of breaks monotony, Jungle Justice > sounds like a lot of fun. have we ever tried being deliberately > uncivilized? We seem to keep on wanting to go further into sophistication, > how about

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-04 Thread Cuddle Beam
>unfair but that's the fun part lol. Also, kind of breaks monotony, Jungle Justice sounds like a lot of fun. have we ever tried being deliberately uncivilized? We seem to keep on wanting to go further into sophistication, how about the opposite? On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Aris Merchant < tho

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-04 Thread Aris Merchant
Also perhaps a bit impractical and unfair? -Aris On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 12:44 AM Cuddle Beam wrote: > It would be cool if we could decide what is "right" or "wrong" with > justice and crimes with DUELS! > > The accuser vs the accused, in a duel of who can get the best QWOP score > for example,

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-04 Thread Cuddle Beam
It would be cool if we could decide what is "right" or "wrong" with justice and crimes with DUELS! The accuser vs the accused, in a duel of who can get the best QWOP score for example, whoever wins is right. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, Alex Smith

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 23:13 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > Both Rests and Blots could be destroyed by destroying a matching number > > > of assets (Notes and Indulgences, respectively). So the modern analogue > > > would likely be a "negative shiny". > >

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 23:13 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > > Both Rests and Blots could be destroyed by destroying a matching number > > of assets (Notes and Indulgences, respectively). So the modern analogue > > would likely be a "negative shiny". > > That's another question. What should the rate

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 23:03 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Kerim Aydin > > wrote: > > > So I think: > > > > > > - I was thinking of bringing back rests/blots whatever the name, > > > > Which do people prefer? Blots sound

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > - I do not want to lose the current flexibility in judicial assignments, > > random is a pain to manage, > > I was thinking that just bringing back Justiciar would probably cover > it. I'd probabl

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Aris Merchant
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 23:03 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Kerim Aydin >> wrote: >> > So I think: >> > >> > - I was thinking of bringing back rests/blots whatever the name, >> >> Which do people prefer? Blots so

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 23:03 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > So I think: > > > > - I was thinking of bringing back rests/blots whatever the name, > > Which do people prefer? Blots sound better to me, but I'm open to > suggestions. The name

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Aris Merchant
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > So I think: > > - I was thinking of bringing back rests/blots whatever the name, Which do people prefer? Blots sound better to me, but I'm open to suggestions. > - equity suits are a fair-sized hassle, others may disagree, We do need som

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread VJ Rada
Yellow Cards & Red Cards should absolutely be switched, no question. Yellow Cards are so much stronger. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > So I think: > > - I was thinking of bringing back rests/blots whatever the name, > - equity suits are a fair-sized hassle, others may d

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
So I think: - I was thinking of bringing back rests/blots whatever the name, - equity suits are a fair-sized hassle, others may disagree, - I do not want to lose the current flexibility in judicial assignments, random is a pain to manage, - the referee is terribly designed, having fixed blots fo

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 4, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Having one person run your criminal system certainly simplifies things Authoritarianism often does. Anyone who wants efficiency or simplicity out of government should be looked at with extreme suspicion. > (why did we feel the need to do what

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Aris Merchant
We're not exactly doing anything wrong, but our current system is a bit underdeveloped. Our current system struggles with complex contract lawsuits (why did we feel the need to do what we did with pledges?), and is completely unable to handle civil/equity suits. The referee needs to award all sente

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread VJ Rada
I'd like to know what we're currently doing wrong that 2010-Agora was doing right? On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm getting tired of waiting for others to release judicial reform > proposals, and am considering writing my own. As a l

DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Aris Merchant
I'm getting tired of waiting for others to release judicial reform proposals, and am considering writing my own. As a loyal member (am I the head?) of the "make Agora 2010 again" party, I suggest reenacting the judicial system here [1] . I'd probably simplify it somewhat, in particular removing som

DIS: Judicial reform and the CotC DB

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
I've changed "Lying down" to "Supine". I've added UNDECIDABLE, IRRELEVANT, UNDETERMINED (veracity), AFFIRM and OVERRULE (disposition) to the list of possible judgements. I have not altered any data on past cases. There is no code for recording judgements for culpability or sentencing, nor (due

DIS: judicial reform / bill of rights exploration

2006-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
[With special requests for comments from Eris, Kelly, and David]: How are the following five rules as the basis for adjusting rules adjudication (and especially rules violations) along the lines of a type of contract law including specific inalienable rights? =