Re: DIS: Test 2

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 15:44, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: I scheduled them to send at the exact same time (Test 1 before Test 2) Ah interesting. My guess is that when you schedule the client sets the Date to the scheduled time, even if it doesn't actually *send* at the scheduled time. That

Re: DIS: Test 2

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I scheduled them to send at the exact same time (Test 1 before Test 2) On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:40 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 15:00, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > I'm testing something, sorry for the inconvenience > The

Re: DIS: Test 2

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 15:00, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: I'm testing something, sorry for the inconvenience The time between your DATE and the first received on these messages seems longer than your previous messages (or other players'). Did you schedule these, or do something to the head

DIS: Test 2

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'm testing something, sorry for the inconvenience

DIS: Test 1

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'm testing something, sorry for the inconvenience

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:12 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 13:54 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Your client itself will normally display the timestamp attached by the > > sending machine. This is usually assumed to be honest, but could > > actually be

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 13:54 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Your client itself will normally display the timestamp attached by the > sending machine. This is usually assumed to be honest, but could > actually be forged (to amusing results, such as pushing a new email way > back in your

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with the hope that one of them has the best timing? Oh also, depending on what client you're using, you can schedule emails. That's probably a better bet than doing

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 11:59 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with > the hope that one of them has the best timing? I think it's logical to try, but if it's a necessary strategy it points to problem with the ga

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with the hope that one of them has the best timing? Unless you were sending from entirely different networks, you would not see different timings generally. I thi

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with the hope that one of them has the best timing? On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:55 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 13:46, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Is the t

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 11:47 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Is the timestamp of the mailing list itself the one that appears on the > archive website? Yes for private archives, though with a UTC conversion. There's been some tension on this over Agora's history. The timestam

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:46, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: Is the timestamp of the mailing list itself the one that appears on the archive website? So if you download an email and open it in plaintext, or click "view headers" or "view source" on your client, you will see a ton of metadata

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Is the timestamp of the mailing list itself the one that appears on the archive website? On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:45 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 13:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > How do you determine which action was ma

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: How do you determine which action was made first on a certain Agoran day when multiple competing actions try to be the first message sent on that day? Emails are time-stamped by each device that touches them, generally speaking the

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 20:34 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > How do you determine which action was made first on a certain Agoran day > when multiple competing actions try to be the first message sent on that > day? Emails have timestamps in their email headers, added by the v

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Oh, I meant when different competing players try to be the first person to send a message on a certain Agoran day. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:42 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 14:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > How do

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 14:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > How do you determine which action was made first on a certain Agoran day > when multiple competing actions try to be the first message sent on that > day? Per R478/41: > Any action performed by sending a message is performed

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951 [attn. Notary]

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'll word it next time so that past pledges count too On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:35 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 11:55, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > I change my vote on 8947 to {AGAINST, but FOR instead if its author > pled

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] RTRW 2023 Wind-Up

2023-04-11 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/3/23 15:44, Janet Cobb wrote: > On 4/3/23 15:31, nix via agora-business wrote: >> On 4/1/23 23:38, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: >>> As such, I petition the Herald to award G. the patent title of "Stares >>> Decisively". (Name selected on Discord.) >> I intend to, with 2 Agoran Consent,

DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
How do you determine which action was made first on a certain Agoran day when multiple competing actions try to be the first message sent on that day?

Re: DIS: Interest check - Softcombat Roleplay duels

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I was thinking it could be DM-less gameplay with an external DM only interfering when called. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:19 PM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion [2023-04-11 18:20]: > > Oh, I meant roleplay combat as mainly a

Re: DIS: [Draft] Golems

2023-04-11 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 6:07 AM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > What do you think? The language could be better, sure, but I mean the > mechanics. Also: can't figure out a good and fun way to allow Golem > creation. > > { > > The Xaman is an office. > > Golems

Re: DIS: Interest check - Softcombat Roleplay duels

2023-04-11 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion [2023-04-11 18:20]: > Oh, I meant roleplay combat as mainly a narrative exercise rather than > mathematical. Although I suppose that it could just be simplified into just > mechanics and maths which is fine with me too, I like those games as well. > I just thou

Re: DIS: Interest check - Softcombat Roleplay duels

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Oh, I meant roleplay combat as mainly a narrative exercise rather than mathematical. Although I suppose that it could just be simplified into just mechanics and maths which is fine with me too, I like those games as well. I just thought it could be interesting to have, in contrast to the highly mec

Re: DIS: [Draft] Golems

2023-04-11 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion [2023-04-11 15:11]: > I believe that this is already possible through contracts > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 3:07 PM juan via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > What do you think? The language could be better, sure, but I mean t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I didn't notice that and will use conditionals to avoid situations like this On Tuesday, April 11, 2023, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 09:27, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > >> 8949* Janet 3.0 Might as wel

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 10:22, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: I don't see it that way. There are plenty of nomics that have played for extended periods of time with no payment for being the author of a proposal. We don't have to play the same way other nomics do. Gamifying Proposal-passing l

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-11 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 09:27, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: >> 8949* Janet 3.0 Might as well ask? > AGAINST > If this is AGAINST on the merits, fine, but I have already pledged not to take a radiance award from this. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I don't see it that way. There are plenty of nomics that have played for extended periods of time with no payment for being the author of a proposal. Gamifying Proposal-passing like that gamifies both Proposal-making and Proposal-voting. This is especially the case with Radiance where having one p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 10:12, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: But yeah, I see that all these things aren't really "newbie" friendly. Gerontocracy is a hot topic that gets brought up... probably quarterly? Could be wrong, but I don't think this is really a gerontocratic issue but more an ongoing-game

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 09:41, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: But yeah, I see that all these things aren't really "newbie" friendly. Gerontocracy is a hot topic that gets brought up... probably quarterly? It's true that CFJs and Proposals and Offices have a learning curve (tho most people are wil

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:41 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I think it is good to reward proposals. Proposals are the primary gameplay > of ANY nomic, so I don't have any trouble with rewards. But I do see what > you mean about how it is imbalanced: you could work hard on a proposa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 6:07 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I didn't realize the radiance thing. Oh dear. > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 2:42 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 11,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 08:27, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: All of the Proposals sort of have the invisible extra rider of "And also give 4 Radiance to this Proposal's author", and while I may normally agree with a couple of these Proposals, I'm not as convinced when each of them has that added.

Re: DIS: [Draft] Golems

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I believe that this is already possible through contracts On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 3:07 PM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > What do you think? The language could be better, sure, but I mean the > mechanics. Also: can't figure out a good and fun way to allow Gol

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I didn't realize the radiance thing. Oh dear. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 2:42 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 4:55 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > This probably adds

DIS: [Draft] Golems

2023-04-11 Thread juan via agora-discussion
What do you think? The language could be better, sure, but I mean the mechanics. Also: can't figure out a good and fun way to allow Golem creation. { The Xaman is an office. Golems are entities tracked by the Xaman. Mind is a Golem text switch defaulting to "False" tracked by the Xaman. Body is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 4:55 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > This probably adds an incentive to AGAINST everything from specific people > who are about to win with crystals. Or AGAINST in general, I suppose. > ... Overall, radiance makes it so

DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
This probably adds an incentive to AGAINST everything from specific people who are about to win with crystals. Or AGAINST in general, I suppose. On Tuesday, April 11, 2023, Forest Sweeney via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > This has been fluctuating from serious to non-se

Re: DIS: (@Arbitor) I can has be judge

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I would also like to be judge On Monday, April 10, 2023, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 11:36 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Hm, I thought I already asked this, but I'd like to become "interested" > as > >