Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

Exactly Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [https://mcusercontent.com/491678685aaddc31e08616413/images/756812e5-24a6-4693-a923-7a1d8f55546d.png] [https://image.ibb.co/noQeyp/inc500.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

I’m thinking around 85%. Some depends on your market. We have a few areas where I think about 5% of the housing is abandoned. Take another 10% that are not interested. There is an older population that just isn’t interested or that their needs are met by iPads and cellular. That 85% numbe

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

We see about 50% take rate even when we are the only option. > On Apr 15, 2020, at 6:26 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > I’m thinking around 85%. Some depends on your market. We have a few areas > where I think about 5% of the housing is abandoned. Take another 10% that > are not interested

[AFMUG] And there we have it....

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/frontier-communications-files-bankruptcy-protection-030635273.html Dump your debts and your obligations, get more money. Round and round it goes. Mark-- AF maili

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

“The Norwalk, Connecticut-based company estimated its assets and liabilities both in the range of $10 billion to $50 billion” That’s a rather. Uhhh. Large range. I feel like that’s like me saying our assets are somewhere between $10,000 and $150,000. How do you not know what you have? Of cour

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

I second the 50% rate. Probably 35% if you have some other competition other than satellite. At either one of those rates, you should have enough neighbor referrals that anything other than a yard sign would be a waste. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:36 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.ne

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

They know exactly what they have for assets and liabilities, and will be required to file a list of the latter. Bankruptcy laws don’t require them to disclose anything more than a range in this initial filing. El El mié, abr. 15, 2020 a la(s) 7:47 a. m., Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

That also is what we have found. I was actually going to say 35% take rate -- but since I've gotten shot down on previous e-mails where I've sent out "crazy" and "ridiculous" statistics, I figured I'd send the higher end of the spectrum :) On 4/15/20 9:12 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I second the

Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

I know hindsight is 20/20, but I'll bet some of those EBS license holders wish they could undo their lease to Sprint and actually use it for distance learning like it was originally for. On 4/14/2020 6:12 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote: From my understanding, the educational entities had to have reque

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

I certainly /hope/ it's true.  How freaking 'Murican is that? On 4/14/2020 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: If he wants the credit, let him have it, or he’ll have to do it again.  I’m thinking of another of my dad’s stories when I was a kid.  Remember, he was in the food industry. Supposedly at

Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

I believe the original intent was to use it for broadcast TV. I doubt much of that ever happened. Consultants were out telling school districts this was a gold mine, the government was giving out free spectrum, and they should claim theirs and collect free money by leasing the license, which i

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

I can't help imagining the shovel guy as some Brooklyn wise guy saying it as, "Loik 'dis ***hole" On 4/15/2020 9:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I certainly /hope/ it's true.  How freaking 'Murican is that? On 4/14/2020 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: If he wants the credit, let him have it, or he’l

[AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

I don't suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying around? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

I wonder what the original vision was with "educational broadcasts".  If you had the "A", "B", "C", "D", or "G" block then you had 16.5Mhz plus a separate 6Mhz chunk about 60Mhz away. Why a separate smaller channel if not for FDD?  Nobody duplexes TV.  There's probably a dusty NPRM that explai

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

Customer edge vs. provider edge - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:53:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Edg

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

They didn’t mention Utah and it is a reorg not a liquidation... From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 6:08 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] And there we have it https://finance.yahoo.com/news/frontier-communications-files-bankruptcy-protection-03063527

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

Google the term "Hierarchical Network Design". Edge, Core, and Access layers are the typical terminology.  Edge is where you interconnect with other networks.  Access is where you connect users.  Core is in the middle.  Edge and Access layers have different functionality focuses.  Edge and Acc

Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

FCC changed the band plan at some point, I forget the details and when that happened. From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 9:12 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts I wonder what the original vision was with "educational

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

Why not just swap with with something modern? On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:03 AM Shayne Lebrun wrote: > I don’t suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying > around? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mail

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

On 4/15/20 7:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Customer edge vs. provider edge I call them "border" routers; the first B in BGP literally is "border" and OSPF uses the term too. If someone says border router then I know they mean a router whose job is to exchange traffic between ASNs. Saying "edge

[AFMUG] Mimosa radios

Saw several Mimosa radios wrapped in foil on a rooftop where there are Ubiquiti and Cambium radios as well. Are these Mimosa radios that susceptible to interference through the casing? Signed, Befuddled in El Paso -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

PE vs. CE if you want something shorter. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 9:50:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Edge Ro

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa radios

The seal on the B5c has been prone to leak. Was the whole radio wrapped or just the outer edge? Jaime Solorza wrote: Saw several Mimosa radios wrapped in foil on a rooftop where there are Ubiquiti and Cambium radios as well. Are these Mimosa radios that susceptible to interference through the

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa radios

Completely like a baked potato. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:59 AM Jay Weekley wrote: > The seal on the B5c has been prone to leak. Was the whole radio wrapped > or just the outer edge? > > Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Saw several Mimosa radios wrapped in foil on a rooftop where there are > > Ubiquiti a

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

On 4/15/20 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: PE vs. CE if you want something shorter. I suppose anyone unfamiliar with dynamic routing protocols may have never seen the term "border" and just sees things as degrees of edges. If someone says P or PE or CE they're usually talking about MPLS. -- A

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

Do the files linked in this page work for you? https://support.gotrango.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/214334083-Firmware-Downloads-TrangoLink-45 On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Shayne Lebrun wrote: > I don’t suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying > around? > -- > AF m

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

I looked in places where I might have a file still lying around, found a fair amount of old Trango firmware, but none for the 5010 or whatever the TLink model number was. Even if I found one, I would have no way of checking if it was the latest. We replaced all of our years ago, and are rep

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

Yeah, I feel border is more descriptive, it's on the border of your network. I usually hear access and core for the rest, where access connects to customers. I used to just say tower router, but lately we have 2 routers at some towers, one handling the backhaul links and the other handling the APs

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

Funny, some content sources consider their edge router to be a customer facing router. Kinda like banks consider a deposit into your checking account a debit. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 9:30 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

The FAA Notice Criteria tool mentioned by Lewis is also more accurate than TOWAIR and we have seen instances where it will clear towers that TOWAIR failed. All we had to do was file the FAA Report data along with the TOWAIR data and the application was accepted. > On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:45 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

"With this agreement with our bondholders, we can now focus on executing our strategy to drive operational efficiencies and position our business for long-term growth." The hell were you doing before, Bernie? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

~12k for a 7280R2 w/ flexroute and expanded memory. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Mark Frost Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwa

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

“drive operation efficiencies” is corporate-speak for layoffs, right? But yeah, efficiency and growth doesn’t sound like a revolutionary new approach just discovered recently. Maybe they mean “all we could do until now was figure out each month how to pay the interest on our crushing debt

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa radios

Well, that's odd. Jaime Solorza wrote: Completely like a baked potato. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:59 AM Jay Weekley > wrote: The seal on the B5c has been prone to leak. Was the whole radio wrapped or just the outer edge? Jaime Solorza wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

When I asked about the edge, I was referring to my equipment that connects to my carriers. My edge like many other WiSPS has a bit of an overlap with my core. Some WiSPS the edge and the core are the same device. Gilbert On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:54 PM TJ Trout wrote: > I keep hearing edge, edg

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

I totally agree. To me, edge interconnects with upstream providers and if it is a decently powered device it can also be a core and even an access router for smaller systems. From: Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 10:45 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [

Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

Exactly… that was not the original bandplan.. Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [https://mcusercontent.com/491678685aaddc31e08616413/images/756812e5-24a6-4693-a923-7a1d8f55546d.png] [https://image.ibb.co/noQeyp/inc500.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

I have some SmartBridges software around here somewhere… Mark > On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I looked in places where I might have a file still lying around, found a fair > amount of old Trango firmware, but none for the 5010 or whatever the TLink > model number was. E

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

Oh, my packrat genes behold. I have two TL45 firmware folders labeled 1p2r2 and 2p0r2. You want one (or both) of them? bp On 4/15/2020 7:46 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: Why not just swap with with somethi

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

I’m sticking with my 85% number, and I have the customers and data to prove it. Mark > On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > That also is what we have found. > > I was actually going to say 35% take rate -- but since I've gotten shot down > on previous e-mails where I've sent

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

Void any union contracts that may have been signed On 4/15/20 9:35 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: “drive operation efficiencies” is corporate-speak for layoffs, right? But yeah, efficiency and growth doesn’t sound like a revolutionary new approach just discovered recently. Maybe they mean “all we co

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

There's market share and total adoption, usually those are different numbers, depending on the amount of competition. Sometimes I drive down a road and can spot a WISP dish on almost every house, but split among 3-4 different WISPs. Harder to tell who has DSL, or even the occasional poor sucke

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

I don’t know if bankruptcy lets you do that, but it would kind of make sense. No doubt part of the reason AT&T and Verizon wanted to dump all those copper networks was the craft was unionized whereas the mobile side of their business probably is non-union or even outsourced. How do we get rid

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

Thats great. That shows the variability between markets. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:25 PM Mark Radabaugh wrote: > I’m sticking with my 85% number, and I have the customers and data to > prove it. > > Mark > > > On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

I intend to, but in the meantime, I was hoping a firmware reload would fix a problem with an existing link. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 10:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tran

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

No, because those links don’t go to firmware files but to squatter domains. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 11:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware? Do the files linked i

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

Bingo. Remembering they have merged/acquired a lot of companies and union contracts may have been a big part of that. Pension funding and healthcare costs could be a big burden and vary from market to market causing discontent among workers too. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

Link works for me. v2.0r3 Resolved Issues: - Fixed: Failed to set power 19 or more in Ch16 - Fixed: Failed to upgrade IC to 2p0r2 --

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

Oh nevermind, yea those links are busted. Just email trango they should be able to send them. Ray Sewell is on the ball over there. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:04 PM Ryan Ray wrote: > Link works for me. > > v2.0r3 >

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

As Ken mentioned there are 2 different numbers to talk about. YOUR market capture rate and total broadband adoption rate for a given area. In the broadband mapping program we spent a lot of time on this topic. The best way I can suggest you look at this is to first find the latest data on broadb

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

Tim is correct. TOWAIR will err on the conservative side so that if something is a close call, it will defer that decision to the FAA to do their precise study. A couple of key things to note. If you do have to file, always get a 1A qualified survey letter and send it with your application for s

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

Many surveyors don't have any idea what that 1A should look like so they are lost. The cost to do a 1A and 2C is the same and their accuracy exceeds both of those requirements. If you need an example letter I produced and have had successfully filed and completed the process with I can send you one

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

There is a document standard published from the FAA as to the reporting standards. I haven’t looked at that in 20 plus years but it does exist. You are right Lewis, for a surveyor who is probably using a survey grade GPS that has sub centime accuracy, their measurement is going to exceed eith

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

As far a height, a surveyor is not really needed. It’s 5 sections of Rohn with 5 feet buried in the ground, the laser rangefinder says 45 feet, or we can do a tape drop. You don’t need to be a surveyor to use a tape measure. I understand the lat/lon thing, but I have readings from a Garmin ha

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

It’s not the structure height they add the margin to, it’s the stated ground elevation your structure is located on that they are concerned with. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 15,

[AFMUG] reflector dishes

I am scrapping my remaining inventory of metal reflector dishes. Sales are so low that I would rather have the warehouse space for other things. Not sure what radio holders we have for them. You can have them for the cost of shipping if you want them. To order or for inquires email sa...@wbmfg

Re: [AFMUG] reflector dishes

You're just going to have to start making them again when the 450 retro comes out On 4/15/2020 5:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am scrapping my remaining inventory of metal reflector dishes. Sales are so low that I would rather have the warehouse space for other things. Not sure what radi

Re: [AFMUG] reflector dishes

I don't know.. I think the idea with the retro is a quick upgrade to existing reflector dishes. If you're doing a new install the 450b has 25dbi gain in a smaller package than the reflector.  Maybe I'm wrong. On 4/15/2020 6:17 PM, Nate Burke wrote: You're just going to have to start maki

Re: [AFMUG] reflector dishes

Comeon. I want my authentic 2012 house to have authentic looking 2012 hardware installed on it! None of this newfangled stuff that doesn't belong. Keep with the period! On 4/15/2020 5:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't know.. I think the idea with the retro is a quick upgrade to exis

Re: [AFMUG] reflector dishes

Well then, I am sure I can find a Tranzeo around here somewhere. From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reflector dishes Comeon. I want my authentic 2012 house to have authentic looking 2012 hardware installed on it!

Re: [AFMUG] reflector dishes

450b is more like 23 dBi, but higher xmt power for what that's worth. Retro would be 450b electronics though, so same xmt power. 450b has that weird interaction with roofs that Cambium wrote an app note about. I still occasionally want to use an old style SM with reflector, but I only have a

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

That’s not bad at all. Has the MPLS stack on Aristas advanced anymore recently? From: Peter Kranz Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2020 02:12 To: Mark Frost ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options ~12k for a 7280R2 w/ flexroute and expanded memory. Peter Kranz

Re: [AFMUG] reflector dishes

That reminds me of a customer, can’t remember if it was stinger or dish, that wanted to know if it was ok to paint it black. It actually does with some paints. He was doing an install on Bette Midler’s house and everything was black. If I remember the story correctly, all people working on th

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

Oh, I see (said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw). They don’t trust Google Earth or topo maps for ground elevation? From: AF On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:21 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

So they can do that and then just pick up and continue on as if nothing ever happened? This is broken. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:51 PM Brian Webster wrote: > Bingo. Remembering they have merged/acquired a lot of companies and union > contracts may have been a big part of that. Pension funding a

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa radios

I saw this used on Hyperlink 1,2 and 5 watt amps using Mikrotik routers on Lower Comanche many years ago... Stupid ..14, I remember 14 2.4GHz links on same small roof top. White Horse Communicationsbunch of clowns. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:40 AM Jay Weekley wrote: > Well, that's odd. > > Ja

[AFMUG] South Dakota

It's getting bad in Sioux Falls... doesn't Matt Larsen have service in that area? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

Not within those margins of error, no. Thank you, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 7:39 PM To

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

South Dakota Confirmed 988 Recovered 261 Deaths 6 On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:08 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > It's getting bad in Sioux Falls... doesn't Matt Larsen have service in > that area? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF ma

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

Death rate in SD does not look horrible compared to many other states, nor does their case count. This information is out of sync with what you pulled (lower total for the state). However, 88% of all the cases in SD are in Sioux Falls. bp On 4/15/2020 6:

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

There’s a meat packing plant in Colorado closed also due to Covid 19. Buy local meat, or learn to like “plant meat”? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 9:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota Yeah in the Smithfield

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

This is Illinois, where a 50 ft elevation rise is called a mountain. My Garmin handheld if you give it several minutes says the accuracy is with 10 feet at this location (the building blocks half the sky), but the reading is exactly the same as Google Earth. That leads me to believe they are

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

On 4/15/20 5:21 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: So they can do that and then just pick up and continue on as if nothing ever happened? Contracts are only held against the little guys. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

Im guessing this plant is lax on e-verify paperwork, or has many visa workers. They tend to live in communal housing. so 300 plus out of the 2700 or so employees would be expected. When one plant accounts for a third of the states infected it looks pretty good still for the state. You have to quest

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

I request to put the OT: header on anything that is not quite directly WISP-related... As much as I enjoy the good coronavirus and other conversations that the smart and reasonable people on this list have, I'd like to keep the non-WISP conversations filterable. Thank you. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:

Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

GPS figures out elevation the same way as it figures out lat/lon. 3D fix. The problem is that the angles are so small for the elevation part of it, that is the least accurate reading. bp On 4/15/2020 7:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: