Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-09-02 Thread TJ Trout
What does the quarter hour and daily graphs look like? Modulation time, it should be 4096 90%++ what is the breakdown? Update to the latest release? Can you measure this another way? Maybe your testing method/device is flawed? Test with a PC behind the mikrotik... On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 10:59 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-09-01 Thread Jason McKemie
I've checked the light levels, auto negotiation is off, and I've also enabled flow control - all with no change in the behavior. On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 2:32 PM TJ Trout wrote: > turn auto neg off, try flow control on and off. Check your light levels on > all 4 sfp's and make sure they are withi

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread TJ Trout
turn auto neg off, try flow control on and off. Check your light levels on all 4 sfp's and make sure they are within spec, if not clean the fibers or add an attenuator(s) On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 12:20 PM Josh Baird wrote: > FWIW - we have a WTM4200 with a CCR2004 on one end and don't have that >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread Josh Baird
FWIW - we have a WTM4200 with a CCR2004 on one end and don't have that issue. On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 3:13 PM Joe Novak wrote: > Test with anything other than a CCR2004. I'd be willing to bet on it being > the problem. > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 2:05 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroa

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread Joe Novak
Test with anything other than a CCR2004. I'd be willing to bet on it being the problem. On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 2:05 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Are you familiar with the Aviat radios? I cannot seem to find anywhere to > set flow control on the ethernet interfac

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread Jason McKemie
Are you familiar with the Aviat radios? I cannot seem to find anywhere to set flow control on the ethernet interfaces. On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 1:25 PM Colin Stanners wrote: > Have you tried Flow Control off/on, on both devices, at one end's Ethernet > link? What model of MT router? > > On Thu,

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread Jason McKemie
They're both brand new SFPs provided by Aviat. I guess if they have terrible quality control that could be the issue. That solution would make a lot more sense to me if it were just one end seeing the issues. I may have to at least attempt it if nothing else works, however. On Thu, Aug 26, 2021

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread Jason McKemie
I have not tried that as of yet. One end is a CCR1009, the other is a CCR2004. I could try Flow Control on one end to see if it makes a difference. On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 1:25 PM Colin Stanners wrote: > Have you tried Flow Control off/on, on both devices, at one end's Ethernet > link? What mo

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Jones
replace the sfp on both radios or use the copper port to rule out the latency coming from the rf On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 1:25 PM Colin Stanners wrote: > Have you tried Flow Control off/on, on both devices, at one end's Ethernet > link? What model of MT router? > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:20 PM J

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat WTM4200 Latency

2021-08-26 Thread Colin Stanners
Have you tried Flow Control off/on, on both devices, at one end's Ethernet link? What model of MT router? On Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 1:20 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm having an issue where about 3-8% of packets going through a WTM4200 > link are seeing a 1-10ms spi

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat RAC 60 E

2021-06-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
The guys in Midland found some in Dallas... Thanks... On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 4:05 PM TJ Trout wrote: > I see some on fleebay > > On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 3:03 PM TJ Trout wrote: > >> What is it >> >> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 1:04 PM Jaime Solorza >> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know where we can get som

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat RAC 60 E

2021-06-19 Thread TJ Trout
I see some on fleebay On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 3:03 PM TJ Trout wrote: > What is it > > On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 1:04 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Does anyone know where we can get some of these? >> Thanks, >> Jaime >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat RAC 60 E

2021-06-19 Thread TJ Trout
What is it On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 1:04 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Does anyone know where we can get some of these? > Thanks, > Jaime > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/lis

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Steve Jones
are we on same firmware? WTM4200 / CKV *2.10.0(15.5134)* On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:58 AM Josh Baird wrote: > There isn't a solution that I know of. The SNMP daemon on Aviat needs > some work. If you go to the device sub-menu (button with three dots) and > click "Capture," I suspect you'll see

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Josh Baird
There isn't a solution that I know of. The SNMP daemon on Aviat needs some work. If you go to the device sub-menu (button with three dots) and click "Capture," I suspect you'll see errors about the SNMP agent becoming unresponsive (or out of memory, etc). This is what causes the sensors/ports/de

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Sam Lambie
It's 5 minutes. didn't change that AFAIK. On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones wrote: > did you set your polling to more than default? Im just curious why I > dont see the issue > > On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:45 AM Josh Baird wrote: > >> The symptoms are that sensors, etc disappear becau

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Sam Lambie
What's the solution? We poll every 5 min.. On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:45 AM Josh Baird wrote: > The symptoms are that sensors, etc disappear because the SNMP agent on the > radio flakes out during Libre's discovery and/or polling runs. I'm pretty > familiar with this as I'm the one who wrote the

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Steve Jones
did you set your polling to more than default? Im just curious why I dont see the issue On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:45 AM Josh Baird wrote: > The symptoms are that sensors, etc disappear because the SNMP agent on the > radio flakes out during Libre's discovery and/or polling runs. I'm pretty > fa

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Steve Jones
I dont know what help i could offer, my knowledge of libre is just following the install guide. if the community string is set and correct it should work [image: image.png] On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:42 AM Sam Lambie wrote: > Interfaces aren't importing, so no useable information is shown, I get

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Josh Baird
The symptoms are that sensors, etc disappear because the SNMP agent on the radio flakes out during Libre's discovery and/or polling runs. I'm pretty familiar with this as I'm the one who wrote the Aviat support for LibreNMS. On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 12:32 PM Steve Jones wrote: > my libre instance

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Sam Lambie
Interfaces aren't importing, so no useable information is shown, I get generic device.. Steve, you wouldn't feel like a quick teamviewer session would ya? On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:33 AM Steve Jones wrote: > my libre instance is all default, ive never seen this issue on 7 aviat > links. what are

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Steve Jones
my libre instance is all default, ive never seen this issue on 7 aviat links. what are the symptoms? On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:28 AM Josh Baird wrote: > Still waiting for an OS update that includes better SNMP support. > Currently, the SNMP agent on these radios croaks after ~15 or so > consecut

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Josh Baird
Still waiting for an OS update that includes better SNMP support. Currently, the SNMP agent on these radios croaks after ~15 or so consecutive requests in a short period of time. This is why Libre doesn't get along with Aviat. The Libre poller is rather aggressive. On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 12:00 P

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Steve Jones
ours are in librenms no issues, no RSL though, we monitor that from powercode snmp On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Nate Burke wrote: > I only have a single Aviat link right now, but it's happily polling > everything I want in MRTG. Are you talking about trying to import the MIB > into another p

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat SNMP, still sucks?

2021-05-03 Thread Nate Burke
I only have a single Aviat link right now, but it's happily polling everything I want in MRTG. Are you talking about trying to import the MIB into another program? On 5/3/2021 10:58 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: We use librenms and the Aviat gear that we have been installing doesn't like libre or the

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

2021-01-20 Thread Steve Jones
i never measured the exact, but at least half that, 3 saf hops doesnt exceed 1ms. Its relatively negligible ti WISPs but it adds up. we will have a couple points that will traverse 6 aviats (3ms) 2 Mimosa b11 garbage and 1 saf link to get to bandwidth, so it adds up. but that price point makes some

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

2021-01-20 Thread Josh Baird
We just put up a WTM4200 link and latency across the link is consistently 0.5ms (or less). What are you expecting? On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 12:25 AM Steve Jones wrote: > They have some more latency than saf, but (as a major saf fanboy this > pains me) their pricepoint is worth the hit > > On Tu

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

2021-01-19 Thread Steve Jones
They have some more latency than saf, but (as a major saf fanboy this pains me) their pricepoint is worth the hit On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 9:53 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > Yes it's 730+ Mbps full duplex per 80mhz channel. With XPIC, you have two > channels so roughly 1460 Mbps full duplex for the lin

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

2021-01-19 Thread Darin Steffl
Yes it's 730+ Mbps full duplex per 80mhz channel. With XPIC, you have two channels so roughly 1460 Mbps full duplex for the link. These things rock. We love our WTM4200 On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I think Ken from Aviat just answered

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

2021-01-19 Thread Josh Baird
Yes - 1.4Gbps. On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:48 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I think Ken from Aviat just answered my question. It looks like it is > about 1.4 Gbps FDX, so that is what I would expect. > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:35 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> In

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

2021-01-19 Thread Jason McKemie
I think Ken from Aviat just answered my question. It looks like it is about 1.4 Gbps FDX, so that is what I would expect. On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:35 PM Steve Jones wrote: > In what? > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:55 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> Those of you

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

2021-01-19 Thread Steve Jones
In what? On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:55 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Those of you that have WTM 4200 links deployed in 11GHz, what are you > seeing throughput-wise in an 80MHz XPIC channel? It looks like around > 730mbps each way from what I can tell, but that doesn'

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-04 Thread Chuck McCown
il I realized you probably meant processor. >>> That takes the typo/autocorrect prize for the day. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF On Behalf Of Jesse Dupont >>> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:32 PM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Gr

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Jesse Dupont
20 at 9:57 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> That had me totally confused until I realized you probably meant processor. >> That takes the typo/autocorrect prize for the day. >> >> >> >> From: AF On Behalf Of Jesse Dupont >> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:32

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Josh Baird
he day. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jesse Dupont > *Sent:* Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file > > > > Their management professor does seem very lacking. > > Sent from my iPhone &

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Ken Hohhof
That had me totally confused until I realized you probably meant processor. That takes the typo/autocorrect prize for the day. From: AF On Behalf Of Jesse Dupont Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file Their

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Jesse Dupont
Their management professor does seem very lacking. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > >  > Be careful.. the WTM radios don't handle lots of SNMP queries very well. > They will start rejecting requests after 15+ concurrent requests in a short > period of ti

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Josh Baird
Be careful.. the WTM radios don't handle lots of SNMP queries very well. They will start rejecting requests after 15+ concurrent requests in a short period of time. On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Im not finding a mib file anywhere for the wtm4200 is there one? > -- > AF mail

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Darin Steffl
What'd you do to get on his shit list? He seems to be a pretty patient guy from working with him myself. On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 6:45 PM Steve Jones wrote: > I'm on Ken's shitlist plus hes busy with fires so I was s leaving the > aviat folks alone for minor stuff > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 5:04 PM J

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Steve Jones
I'm on Ken's shitlist plus hes busy with fires so I was s leaving the aviat folks alone for minor stuff On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 5:04 PM Jesse Dupont wrote: > I just emailed Ken Ruppel and he sent it to me. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Steve Jones > wrote: > > > >  > >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Mib file

2020-09-03 Thread Jesse Dupont
I just emailed Ken Ruppel and he sent it to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > Im not finding a mib file anywhere for the wtm4200 is there one? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-24 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
If an electrician doesn't care enough to check their work with an actual voltmeter then I'd suggest that perhaps switching to one which does might be a good idea. On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 8/23/20 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > We had one farm where we got the 3 p

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/23/20 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: We had one farm where we got the 3 phases, one wild, but no neutral. Luckily when we asked Phoenix Contact, they said we could connect L and N of the power supply we were using (actually a TRIO UPS) to L1 and L2. Ungrounded, corner grounded, and center

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips Well, any electrician should know that some three phase circuits have a wild leg. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread Chuck McCown
ta connection. So two of the legs should be >> 120 to ground. You just got unlucky with the breaker placement. >> >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 12:32 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supp

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread Steve Jones
Farm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips > > I can see that three phase breaker right above your single leg breaker. > Check all three. I am sure you will find one you can use if there is an > open slot on that phase. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread chuck
Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips I can see that three phase breaker right above your single leg breaker. Check all three. I am sure you will find one you can use if there is an open slot on that phase. From: Steve Jones Sent

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread chuck
I can see that three phase breaker right above your single leg breaker. Check all three. I am sure you will find one you can use if there is an open slot on that phase. From: Steve Jones Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 12:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread chuck
. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:53 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips Get a meter and verify voltage line to neutral, line to ground, neutral to ground. If you have

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread Steve Jones
Spot fucking on, chuck. I was up all night worrying about this shit, even to the point the varying metals and floating box was making a massive murder capacitor. Turns out there's 210v and all our existing PSU are rated to 240v, the meanwells are switch selected, and this power strip happenned to

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Get a meter and verify voltage line to neutral, line to ground, neutral to ground. If you have access to the panel check the 240 line to line, and verify that the two legs are ~120 to both ground and neutral. If all those check out you should be good. There are some other truly weird creat

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat power supplies and exploding power strips

2020-08-23 Thread Chuck McCown
I had something similar happen. An electrician picked the wild leg of a three phase to connect a new receptacle. We had about 208 volts on it. Of course only discovered after the damage. I have seen neutrals get damaged and connected to the other side of the box giving you 220. Did you check

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-12 Thread Mike Hammett
The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Daniel White" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:51:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle Considering how little 11GHz spectrum you have availa

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-12 Thread chuck
Get while the getting is good... it’s the American Way. From: Daniel White Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle Considering how little 11GHz spectrum you have available in Chicago land already

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-12 Thread Daniel White
it should stay the same? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Hardy" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group&

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-11 Thread Mike Hammett
- Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 9:24:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle All I meant was that 112 MHz bandwidth is an “ETSI” configuration. There’s nothing in Part 101 th

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-11 Thread Tim Hardy
Fries with that? > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:10 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle > > Recommendations for changing tha

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-11 Thread Mike Hammett
- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 9:00:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-11 Thread Ken Hohhof
Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:10 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle Recommendations for changing that rule? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-11 Thread Mike Hammett
mug.com > On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:10 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle I would be surprised if any dual-core radio didn't support 4+0... although it may no

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

2020-06-11 Thread Tim Hardy
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Daniel White > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:10 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle > > I would be surpris

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-09 Thread SmarterBroadband
We are running the Navigators in 18Ghz with sub-carriers. Restricted to 512QAM in current firmware. We are getting just over 2Gbps. Adam From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 8:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mike Hammett
ot; Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:54:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz But Part 101 is probably the least dumb set of rules that WISPs have to deal with. It’s about the only time dealing with government regulations where I feel like I have a seat at the adult table. We sho

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz That's dumb. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <htt

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
When operating that way, do both channels need to be the same size, or can you mix a 40mhz and an 80mhz, for example? I got the impression with the Bridgewaves that would both need to be the same size (i.e 80mhz+80mhz). On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:43 PM wrote: > Matthew - yes we do. > > Thanks, >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
swisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Tim Hardy" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:19:32 PM &

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Joseph.Schraml
Matthew - yes we do. Thanks, Joe Schraml VP Sales Operations & Marketing SIAE Microelettronica, Inc. +1 (408) 832-4884 joseph.schr...@siaemic.com www.siaemic.com >>> Mathew Howard 6/4/2020 8:20 AM >>> Does Siae have the capability of running two channels per core, like

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mike Hammett
That's dumb. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:19:32 PM Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Tim Hardy
And, this is exactly what I have been discussing in this thread. “In instances where a customer can get the FCC to license wider than 80 MHz channels (11 GHz & 18 GHz), we can unlock the modems to provide up to 112 MHz bandwidth.” Let’s be clear on this. The only way to “get the FCC to license

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Joseph.Schraml
Our ALFOPlus2 radio is true dual-carrier radio capable of up to 2x 112 MHz channels. In instances where a customer can get the FCC to license wider than 80 MHz channels (11 GHz & 18 GHz), we can unlock the modems to provide up to 112 MHz bandwidth. With 4096QAM, this yields just over 2 Gbps ful

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't know what specific bonding features Aviat has, but you can technically do that with any radios... it's just a question of where and how you have to do the bonding. You are also able to do two radios on the same dish with the appropriate couplers, etc. with most 11ghz radios. On Thu, Jun 4

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
If you need more throughput in 11ghz can't you license two separate links for 11ghz and install two separate AVIAT radios and then the radios can bond both links together? I thought that was a feature that AVIAT had. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:21 AM Mathew Howard wrote: > Does Siae have the capab

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
Does Siae have the capability of running two channels per core, like was discussed earlier on the Bridgewave and Aviat radios? On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:49 AM Tim Hardy wrote: > Should be easy enough to check to ensure that you have two (2) dual core > radios each transmitting a discrete frequenc

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Tim Hardy
Should be easy enough to check to ensure that you have two (2) dual core radios each transmitting a discrete frequency 60 MHz apart from one another. Anything else would lead one to believe that they actually are just using their ETSI configuration (112 MHz) within the 120 MHz block. Seems sus

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Jon Langeler
I’m not sure details other than I verified multiple times 120Mhz of actual usage and the speed matched. Our frequency coordinator worked with them on the rest... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Tim Hardy wrote: > > Just confirming that this is actually

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Tim Hardy
Just confirming that this is actually two (2) dual core radios - one CCDP at 80 MHz bandwidth and the other CCDP at 40 MHz bandwidth with the two transmit frequencies separated by 60 MHz - correct? This will require couplers and associated losses on both ends (approximately 7 dB). Any attempt

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Langeler
11Ghz is 80MHz per channel, plus another 40Mhz= 120Mhz (two channels per polarity). But the channels have to be stacked and available. Ignore the promos and prices. Tell him what price you need to be at and he will try to make it happen. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 3, 20

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Have they come down in price recently? Last time I checked they were considerably higher than both Bridgewave and Aviat. On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, Jon Langeler wrote: > SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in 120Mhz x2. Price was basically all > the same > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies,

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread TJ Trout
Jon, I'm pretty dumb with this stuff, is this possibly two descrete 60mhz channels per TX side? TJ On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:40 PM Jon Langeler wrote: > 11Ghz...2 channels in FCC assignment -similar- to AF11FX. > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:08 PM, TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Langeler
11Ghz...2 channels in FCC assignment -similar- to AF11FX. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:08 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > >  > What band can you do 120mhz in? > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:04 PM Jon Langeler >> wrote: >> SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in 120Mhz

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread TJ Trout
What band can you do 120mhz in? On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:04 PM Jon Langeler wrote: > SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in 120Mhz x2. Price was basically all > the same > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jun 3, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Langeler
SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in 120Mhz x2. Price was basically all the same Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 3, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > Yeah, the throughput is pretty comparable between the two. > >> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, TJ Trout wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Yeah, the throughput is pretty comparable between the two. On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, TJ Trout wrote: > aviat can do the same with dual channels on a single radio, it's called > a2c or active two channel, we use it on the wtm4100 > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:38 PM Josh Baird wrote: > >> The W

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread TJ Trout
aviat can do the same with dual channels on a single radio, it's called a2c or active two channel, we use it on the wtm4100 On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:38 PM Josh Baird wrote: > The WTM4200 is dual core which is why it can do 1.4Gbps. The Bridgewave > has some other magic. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Josh Baird
The WTM4200 is dual core which is why it can do 1.4Gbps. The Bridgewave has some other magic. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:41 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I may have gotten the Aviat model wrong, whatever their dual core version > is - 4300? I think the power on the

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Peter Kranz via AF
<http://www.unwiredltd.com/> www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 9:41 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jason McKemie
I may have gotten the Aviat model wrong, whatever their dual core version is - 4300? I think the power on the Aviat is better, probably in part due to the field replaceable diplexer in the Navigator. On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, Josh Baird wrote: > I think the Navigator DT will have a higher over

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Josh Baird
I think the Navigator DT will have a higher overall throughput (~3Gbps if you have the channels available). The WTM4200 and the Navigator ST are a better comparison - each capable of ~1.4Gbps. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Does anyone

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-30 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
2020 12:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c I'm not even sure why anyone is still buying 820C radios with the pricing that Aviat is running. On Sunday, March 29, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Voice in the back of my head says that sounds like me back when I bought Trango, and again when I bought Exalt G2. But Aviat does appear to have a nice radio. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 12:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm not even sure why anyone is still buying 820C radios with the pricing that Aviat is running. On Sunday, March 29, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048 > quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Steve Jones
I lo e the aviat direct model. I like that I can sit up at 3am and build out my quote, know what's in stock, etc and just order it. Assuming the fcc side of things is good. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:54 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Just priced a full link is all. Yeah Aviat full license out the door

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Just priced a full link is all. Yeah Aviat full license out the door with antennas, cables, power supplies was half of Cambium. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Are you just pricing qty=1? If not, are you just figuring 20% off MSRP, > or have you asked your Cambium sales mana

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

2020-03-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Are you just pricing qty=1? If not, are you just figuring 20% off MSRP, or have you asked your Cambium sales manager for better pricing? Also have you included all accessories and license keys in your BOM? Not saying that will change your price comparison, just some things to make sure it’s

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

2019-11-20 Thread Daniel White
Just sayin I got new things to sell :-D photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct:+1 (702) 470-2770 Steve Jones wrote on 11/19/19 22:06: Yep, youre the guy, youre salesmanship is why your word is solid gold to me, literally made

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

2019-11-20 Thread Steve Jones
Got our followup today. This is exactly the sales process i like. We are going to to a GUI demo, get set up with our account. maybe RTFM, probably not. pick a link and put it in. Unless I come across some major skullduggery, this is the perfect solution for our builds. The savings is such that buyi

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

2019-11-20 Thread Steve Jones
it can go that low? On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 8:38 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > But no writing if your BAC is less than 0.1 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2019, at 3:16 AM, Lewis Bergman > wrote: > >  > You really should consider writing a novel. > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 10:20 PM Steve Jone

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

2019-11-20 Thread Chuck McCown
But no writing if your BAC is less than 0.1 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2019, at 3:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > >  > You really should consider writing a novel. > >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 10:20 PM Steve Jones wrote: >> Thats the motherfucker, kens his name. Its funny you guys mention

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

2019-11-20 Thread dave via AF
Aviat is being used extensively here on the AWIN sites. On 11/19/19 9:47 PM, Steve Jones wrote: What do you old hippie degenerates know about these folks? I did a dot I cross T on SAF vs Cambium gear post so I could keep getting my SAF gear and this Aviat fella pissed on my parade. This is an

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

2019-11-20 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 11:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat [EXTERNAL] I love SAF and probably always will. Lots of great memories working there. Steve I think I was even part of helping convince you on that first

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