Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

2020-09-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
Ever since I got bamboozled into deploying a WiMax basestation, I have been skeptical of tree penetration hype. We have been deploying Cambium 450 in 3.5 GHz / CBRS and it’s great, but it doesn’t “penetrate” trees. OK, an SM within a mile can go through 1 or 2 trees, depending on the size/d

Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

2020-09-13 Thread Trey Scarborough
Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE and Cambium? I am mainly looking at tree penetration or lower DB signals to actual throughput comparison. I have been told that LTE gets a little better tree penetration but if that is at a low rate that really doesn't help any.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Mu-mimo it is On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 8:03 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > That must mean something different than I was thinking. Like 64 time > slices for different traffic, or dividing the 360 degrees into 64 antenna > beams. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Sunday, September 1

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
OK, a little Googling on massive MIMO antennas like Nokia Airscale, and it seems to refer to 3D beamforming and/or antenna elements for different bands. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:03 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ce

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
That must mean something different than I was thinking. Like 64 time slices for different traffic, or dividing the 360 degrees into 64 antenna beams. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 8:11 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell si

Re: [AFMUG] Pupuseria

2020-09-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
OK, those look good, like little Mexican pitas. I’m not so sure about pupusas. https://www.isabeleats.com/gorditas-recipe/ I thought maybe they were like a chalupa, but no. Maybe a chalupa is a failed gordita that is too big and doesn’t form a pocket so you use it like a thick taco shell.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Sprint\T-Mo has done 64x64. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 7:13:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ce

Re: [AFMUG] Pupuseria

2020-09-13 Thread Chuck McCown
Similar to a Gordita but with thicker wrapper. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >  > https://abc7chicago.com/pupuseria-clearing-midway-pupusas-chicago-near-me/6420296/ > > I’ve never eaten a pupusa. Put some smoked peppers and spicy vinegar and > avoca

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Chuck Macenski
"I still can’t wrap my head around how they get ∞x∞ MIMO and 1.21 gigawattsbits from 5 MHz of spectrum. " I don't think they do. From the most recent book I have on LTE (forward-looking/dated 2011), it appears that they were planning to use channels as wide as 20 MHz with an aggregation of as many

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Matt Hoppes
Vertical or slant probably won’t make a difference with the way the signals scramble and mix as they bounce off things. > On Sep 13, 2020, at 8:30 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > >  > I have done passive antenna installs ...done right , they work > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:51 PM Chuck McCown w

Re: [AFMUG] Pupuseria

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
A place just opened up in town...never had any On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:31 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > https://abc7chicago.com/pupuseria-clearing-midway-pupusas-chicago-near-me/6420296/ > > > > I’ve never eaten a pupusa. Put some smoked peppers and spicy vinegar and > avocados and bacon on them? >

[AFMUG] Pupuseria

2020-09-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://abc7chicago.com/pupuseria-clearing-midway-pupusas-chicago-near-me/64 20296/ I've never eaten a pupusa. Put some smoked peppers and spicy vinegar and avocados and bacon on them? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
I have done passive antenna installs ...done right , they work On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:51 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Are cell signals V pol? > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.c

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
The cell boosters come with vertical antennas... they need to make mu-mimo cell boosters with antennas to handle the signals.. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > I have a passive antenna experiment in the works. Rather than guess at > the right slant, I think I will try V pol i

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
I still can’t wrap my head around how they get ∞x∞ MIMO and 1.21 gigawattsbits from 5 MHz of spectrum. I understand MU-MIMO and beamsteering and all that, but when they start tossing around stuff like 8x8 MIMO I don’t see how you get that many orthogonal signals on the same frequency. But f

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Chuck McCown
I have a passive antenna experiment in the works. Rather than guess at the right slant, I think I will try V pol initially. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > >  > When GSM began they started using vertical polarization. But as the need for > capacity

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Matt Hoppes
When GSM began they started using vertical polarization. But as the need for capacity arose antennas changed to slant 45 X polarization. > On Sep 13, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > >  > V > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 3:48 PM Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> Slant 45 >> >> > On Sep 13, 202

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
V On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 3:48 PM Matt Hoppes wrote: > Slant 45 > > > On Sep 13, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > > Are cell signals V pol? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- >

Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Matt Hoppes
Slant 45 > On Sep 13, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Are cell signals V pol? > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.af

Re: [AFMUG] Roasted chile from Hatch NM

2020-09-13 Thread chuck
Here you are out living life, and I am trying to perfect my splicing technique... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Roasted chile from Hatch NM Salud On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 3:15 PM wrote: I love the fact t

Re: [AFMUG] Roasted chile from Hatch NM

2020-09-13 Thread chuck
I love the fact that you can get hatch chilies on a McD cheeseburger in New Mexico. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Roasted chile from Hatch NM Sto ---

[AFMUG] Cell signals.

2020-09-13 Thread Chuck McCown
Are cell signals V pol? Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
I do think the list could pay for itself if we sold cookbooks. I made that mediterranean dish of Paula and it was super good. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:00 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Avocado and white cheese on pan Blanco...yum... toasted > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 11:07 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> I

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Avocado and white cheese on pan Blanco...yum... toasted On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 11:07 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I had to eat and hit the road, so I just got toast. Not even the toast of > kings. OK, it was raisin toast. So maybe the toast of princes. > > > > Scared to do even minor work on the net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!!

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Thanks On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 10:35 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > Glad to hear you are able to once again terrorize the far reaches of West > Texas with abandon. > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 10:34 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> The gas bubble in eye is gone 54 days after retinal surgery!! Vision is >

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
I had to eat and hit the road, so I just got toast. Not even the toast of kings. OK, it was raisin toast. So maybe the toast of princes. Scared to do even minor work on the network during the week with all the kids and their remote learning. You don’t want a bunch of moms screaming at you

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread Bill Prince
You and we have a similar avocado situation. I like mine sliced, but my wife likes to just scoop it out with a spoon. And you're right; it tastes the same. bp On 9/13/2020 9:32 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Raspberry Vinegar reduced

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!!

2020-09-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
Glad to hear you are able to once again terrorize the far reaches of West Texas with abandon. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 10:34 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > The gas bubble in eye is gone 54 days after retinal surgery!! Vision is > good...hope eye doc clears me so I can climb ..knee is still tight but I

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
Raspberry Vinegar reduced to ticken. I prefer my avocados sliced but my wife kind of made a mess of it. It still tasted good though. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 10:35 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Yumwhat did you use on tomatoes? > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 9:31 AM Lewis Bergman > wrote: > >> -- >> A

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Roasted jalapeno is awesome but super hot.. Might drive up to Hatch NM and get some chile today once wife gets back from spending money at Walmart... On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 9:37 AM wrote: > I had egg and smoked brisket tacos with japaleno jelly. My wife smokes – > but in a good way. > > *From:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!!

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes. Body absorbed itI am lucky...no reading glasses and I can see distant objects clearly... On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 9:38 AM wrote: > So did your body just absorb the gas? > Glad you have good vision. I am down to using a stereo microscope to be > able to separate ribbon fiber... > > *From:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!!

2020-09-13 Thread chuck
How long did you have to spend face down? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!! The gas bubble in eye is gone 54 days after retinal surgery!! Vision is good...hope eye doc clears me so I can clim

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!!

2020-09-13 Thread chuck
So did your body just absorb the gas? Glad you have good vision. I am down to using a stereo microscope to be able to separate ribbon fiber... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!! The gas bubbl

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread chuck
I had egg and smoked brisket tacos with japaleno jelly. My wife smokes – but in a good way. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's --

Re: [AFMUG] Omelettes of the king's

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yumwhat did you use on tomatoes? On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 9:31 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT: Gas bubble gone!!

2020-09-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
The gas bubble in eye is gone 54 days after retinal surgery!! Vision is good...hope eye doc clears me so I can climb ..knee is still tight but I am walking well... shoulder moves but slight pop with sting once in a while. Sucks getting old.. Peace -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug