with the cpu
server and then forgets about the keys.
Because of that, it seems like you can safely remove these drawterm lines
from your profile. I never heard of anybody to get this working
properly...
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- WORM2 (full)
- WORM3 (not full)
- WORM4 (new, empty)
- cache
Is something like that possible? If not, it still could be an inspiration
for ori's new filesystem, maybe?
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29.12.2020 10:15:29 Kurt H Maier :
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 08:53:55AM +, sirjofri wrote:
for ori's new filesystem, maybe?
If he implements this and the resulting filesystem is not called
Oriborous I will be extraordinarily, possibly fatally, disappointed.
😂😂😂
Absolute
on your network, the machines
etc.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Btw the drawterm /dev/secstore stuff never worked for me. I don't even
know why I would need the auth server in drawterm...
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freenode, if you want some more synchronous communication.
Don't hesitate to ask questions. Welcome back 🙂
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[1] http://9front.org
[2] https://github.com/oridb/git9
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Please double-check this. When I add a From: in acme Mail it's always
converted to a destination address.
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mpile to
> C.
I ♥ C, but I don't have to decide anything here.
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in march. Until then I can't really publish it.
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pool. I don't know the details.
I also have some other project ideas like many, like a native Android
gridchat client, but that's too specific, I think. I'll play around with
, what organization officially applies? Is there some
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ront) you can just use ps2pdf ghostscript arguments
instead of step 1. I use:
troff -ms | lp -dstdout | ps2pdf '-sPAPERSIZE=a4' > $target
which works fine. Adjusting pagelength and linelength is still needed as in
steps 2 and 3.
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pectations, which I clicked by accident with my huge fingers on
my smartphone). Some other links are incredibly slow (to the older gsoc
ideas on 9p.io).
Anyways, good news that we were accepted. Hopefully this year will become
some 9ish year.
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Also see this page for an example:
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click around the firmware settings. It was model specific, so I suppose
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On the same page were instructions about replacing parts and more, it was
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09.04.2021 18:25:32 David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>:
may be offtopic but now I'm just curious :-) what's wwb ?
Writer's Workbench.
Writer's Workbench
https://git.sr.ht/~sirjofri/wwb9
(Works on 9, but I need to make it better for different platforms and
s
ax changes.
If someone's interested, you can compare my source with the v10 code at
tuhs. I didn't touch anything I didn't need to.
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09.04.2021 23:45:47 Xiao-Yong Jin :
On Apr 9, 2021, at 12:57 PM, sirjofri
wrote:
Writer's Workbench
https://git.sr.ht/~sirjofri/wwb9
(Works on 9, but I need to make it better for different platforms and
some tools need adjustments. Send patches.)
What exactly is the license? Even
all find a way to still respect each other and to grow as
a community. Misunderstandings happen as well as lots of other human
factors.
My long 2 cents
sirjofri
Disclaimer: I actively used the original Plan 9 4e, Plan 9 on rpi,
inferno, and I am an active 9front user.
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I hope this helps.
Oh, and you can always write your own tools and call them using
middle-click in acme. You could write an rc-script that cd..s to your
project home directory (if it's a git repo, the one containing .git) and
invo
open for community efforts that need some
official site. I want to see other community members/devs there, maybe
one 9front contributor. I want to see them mentioning 9front like they
mention other Plan 9 projects. I want to see p9f members open their
mouths sometimes (which does happen) and take pa
otes.
The mentioned resources were original Plan 9 resources afaik (or even
obviously). I'm glad cat-v/9front was able to keep them stored for future
generations. It's just not a good light having documents on a website
with the title of cat-v/9front origin while not mentioning that
d that says me, who always needs to figure put how to create and
apply patches.
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work on.
100% my opinion. Don't make a canonical 1P9, just let people explore
their ideas. Like, even 9gridchan had it's own "fork", if you want to
call it like that.
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aw call), read things out. I assume this can
work perfectly fine for draw times, depending on the data.
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of knowledge about how GPUs work and never wrote any OpenGL
code myself, only shader code. It always seemed like it's hundreds of
hundreds of lines of code to draw a triangle (which is the basic hello
world program).
sirjofri
22.08.2021 12:04:41 Frank D. Engel, Jr. :
While not necess
on't know any details about it.
Worst case, someone already has a proper and good GPU implementation for
Plan 9 and nobody knows about it.
sirjofri
Btw if the said person reads this: it would be nice to learn some
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OpenGL for example.
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22.08.2021 15:44:45 Paul Lalonde :
I'd love to see GPU support for Plan9. This discussion falls right
into my professional capacity. I'll say that people generally
*grossly* underes
ocal '#' device.
I'm not sure about the latency (I would just try it once it's done), but
can't we use the hwdraw stub function for interfacing with this? I also
doubt we'll draw many complex shaders for /dev/draw.
sirjofri
22.08.2021 20:25:12 o...@eigenstate.org:
Quoth sirjofri :
22.08.2021 18:41:06 o...@eigenstate.org:
Basically do software rendering on the GPU?
Yes. Or software neural net evaluation on the GPU.
Or software video decoding on the GPU. Or software
image transforms on the GPU. Or software
s "shader compilation" stuff works.
In webgl it's like, "here's my code, make a shader from it, then I tell
you it's a fragment shader". Shader compilation happens automatically. In
UE shader compilation takes a long time, and I believe also in blender
shaders
Btw there's a small known bug: when opening a connection the first time
the app crashes silently. Opening it a second time it works without
issues.
And there's the mouse offset bug. In my version it's almost the same
offset across the whole screen (y-axis), in the original th
output formats.
For using the scripts you only need awk and mk, as well as zip for epub
and troff -ms for ... troff (plus other tools to convert it to pdf etc).
Here is the package: http://shithub.us/sirjofri/epublish/HEAD/info.html
There's a sample "book" inside that package, I
ing usable.
The most complex task is designing a proper plan 9-worthy touchscreen
interface and developing apps for that.
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Re ext2:
Afaik sigrids ext stuff also supports ext4, and only ext4 (and a non-ext
format) is mentioned on the supported filesystems list on the pinephone
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here. There are some very special people
there who don't usually hang out in the other community channels.
In general you'll meet many people in multiple channels depending on
their preference. You can ask your questions everywhere and hopefully
they'll be answered.
Welcome to
riting documentation.
I also hope we can organize some European/German Plan 9 meetup this
year when the pandemic is (hopefully) over. Stay healthy and may God
bless you!
As mentioned before I encourage you to share your personal highlights,
especially Plan 9 related ones.
si
vs are quite open
and you can say hello in #cat-v at irc.oftc.net or the 9front mailing
list.
I don't know about GSoC projects.
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;s just my personal
opinion. I barely use the device as I'm mostly in an office-like
situation and for mobile the trackpoint has more benefits.
sirjofri
[1] if you try to get one of these make sure to not get the very
cheapest. When I was looking the first I bought was 15 euros and it broke
fair, many
user applications can just be a shell script that hauls data between UI
and specialized filesystems for their task.
I suggest you look at the rcgui test I did quite some time ago, I believe
it's available at https://git.sr.ht/~sirjofri/rcgui. It's sadly not a
filesystem, b
t need all
the content for that and sample files can be enough.
Maybe try to compare your system with how /sys/doc is set up: it contains
the important papers. Imagine on a linux system you'd have all papers
about all systems! It would be huge and nobody would read it.
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I have multiple ways for different reasons:
My website is generated using static fragments and page fragments.
The blog however is a troff source that's converted to a static page
fragment. This way I can output a nice pdf too.
I made shithub.us/sirjofri/epublish which uses a markdown
But this platform doesn't need
accompanied sources nor will the students have direct access to a shell
or the tools everything is hidden behind a simple kiosk app which has
no other goal beside being the "envelop" for the real information meant
to be taught.
sirjofri
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any programmer, so I guess I'd ask more experienced people now and then.
Personally I like all of these ideas and would like to work on all of
them if I had enough time.
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solution I
came up with was rcgui, which is not a full filesystem but just a
connection (as a pipe) with a textual interface.
https://git.sr.ht/~sirjofri/rcgui
In general, I believe that with solid native filesystems and solid native
programs many applications can just be shell scriptin
eally within Germany)
preferred, everything else can be very expensive (you might be cheaper
just buying something similar locally).
I know this is not 100% 9 content, but I believe it could be used for
some nice 9p sensor, eh?
Photo: http://sirjofri.de/oat/private/atmeleval
I ported some tools of the UNIX V10 writer's workbench. Including spell
checkers, suggest, diction, gram, ...
As a bonus, it includes some helpers for acme.
Source is at git.sr.ht/~sirjofri/wwb9, iirc, might also be available at
shithub.
sir
that's no comparison.
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Hey,
If someone does some work on native 9p stuff for android I'd really love
some apk. I'm not an android dev, only did very few things on android
programming-wise.
Thanks for starting this thread.
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.
On my very first Plan 9 laptop I btw just had my keys stored in a plain
file, unencrypted.
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20.07.2022 05:54:34 Lucio De Re :
I have only one word for all the above: amazing!
Yes, truly amazing.
As a dumb occidental, I have no idea where one starts with ideograms,
but I realise how different the concept is and how its complexity can
stimulate technical creativity.
Or just make
21.07.2022 04:44:53 cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org:
sirjofri writes:
I'm pretty sure that pure Chinese computers would look different.
I've often wondered that. What input methods do Chinese speakers use?
What do Chinese keyboards look like? How do they find/select the
to request access to the
fs.eu.9p.zone (again, via script).
It's probably quite similar to the bootcamp, but it's more about general
use and working on projects together than just learning, so it's also
good for long term projects. However, I don't know
or free. You could hook up your own fileserver to use this
auth and control who has access to it. For shared projects on a shared system
you can use the existing eu grid at 9p.zone (eu.9p.zone).
Disclaimer: I'm part of 9p.zone.
sirjofri
P.S for testing out gr
t the pdf using rcpu for faster access. It could've been
faster, but it was fine.
Regarding inferno: well yeah, go for it if you want. It's different and people
like it or not. I personally rarely use it.
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neled through the (tls-encrypted) 9p connection to the
server.
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Nice, great to know. Any experience with azure then? Would love to try it out.
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https://f-droid.org/de/packages/org.echoline.drawterm/
Have fun
sirjofri
PS: I'm currently working on an improved version with some more stable app
structure which should give us a few features and allow us to fix a few very
annoying bugs.
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for example the
icons.
When I get a stable version with my changes I'd also notice you so you can
integrate it.
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That's just my thoughts.
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ust one example, pretty sure you cam find other examples yourself.
Well, again I just want to add a small little detail that's great but I write a
long passage. Sorry for the long message.
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have it in a separate repo,
but I can try to merge that change to the fdroid repo asap. (Asap means, as
soon as I have time).
Sorry.
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fine in most cases, at least on my devices.
Getting rid of the kb button and the checkboxes is planned for the future as
soon as keyboard and mouse support works stable. Maybe even with a full
fullscreen mode.
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Prompt: Can you write a short fictional story about glenda, the Plan 9 bunny,
and her adventures in an unknown filesystem?
The Storyâ„¢ (unedited)
Glenda was a curious little bunny who lived in the land of Plan 9. One day,
while exploring the vast expanse of her home filesystem, she stumbled upo
peace with your relatives, and that
you can start the new year with peace and love and friendship.
Christmas is about god being with us, so may god be with you all and bless you!
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Hello,
sure, here's a link that shouldn't expire: https://discord.gg/R8ra7QwNs3
It's the 9fans discord channel, which is probably not as official as it may
sound.
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I dunno. Most focused discussions happen on the mailing lists anyway.
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in the man pages.
What could work though, is running ssam (or sam) on the data file in your acme
filesystem. It just exposes an interface for each of your acme windows with a
few files to control it.
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ental).
It wants some admin love and more grids in other countries besides eu. (Note
that I'm part of 9p.zone and the (paying) admin behind eu.9p.zone.)
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27;re unsure you can just skip the question.
I'm pretty sure you can be done within 5-10 minutes if you want, but it's very
hard to estimate the time because you can add as much text (and details) as you
want.
Thank you (questions below)
sirjofri
Before going into the questions, fe
27.10.2023 18:40:51 o...@eigenstate.org:
> Short summary -- we're working on it. It's likely to be at a different
> location than we had initially announced. We're waiting to confirm
> before we put out the call for papers and specific dates.
Are there any news on that?
If there are bigger issues
ot;official" 386BSD,
they even looked for another name, which ended up being "FreeBSD".
I'll write another mail as response to your new mail.
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d
aspects in there. I just can't envision that in an official 5e release, but in
another fork (maybe of an existing fork). I personally would think it's best to
built upon 9front, because they have good hardware support already. And there's
many great ideas in that bubble, some of
at
many things are like they are on purpose. I was often grounded by people like
ori, hiro, mycroftiv, kvik and a few others on grid, as well as cat-v. I
learned that being part of Plan 9 does not necessarily mean contributing large
chunks of code, or changing many things to be "better" (
ssor, but I doubt you'll get
much performance out of it in a case like this (local machine). I guess it's
more useful for separate machines with slower network connections.
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you don't
understand something, just ask :)
Btw it's quite common to "deactivate" services by renaming the files to have a
leading "!". In general, everything that follows the naming scheme
and is executable will work.
sirjofri
-
Hi,
05.03.2024 22:38:59 Edouard Klein :
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for your answer.
>
>
> sirjofri writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I don't use /rc/bin/service anymore, but I use /cfg/machinename/service
>> instead. My contents are copies of what's in /
06.03.2024 11:36:39 Edouard Klein :
>
> sirjofri writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 05.03.2024 22:38:59 Edouard Klein :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your answer.
>>>
>>>
>>> sirjofri writes:
>>>
>>>
le at
chat.only9fans.com, and it'll probably stay there.
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ut building a list of companies that use plan 9
technology, just so people can get involved with them, and now that I'm
searching for a new job that's even more interesting for me personally. (Not
sure if I want to do plan 9 as $dayjob, but I could see it as an option.) That
So, with that definition, the system described in the paper "Plan 9 from bell
labs" is not plan9, because it describes any system that uses the same concepts?
So, plan9 is like UNIXâ„¢ and there's no such thing as a concept about plan 9?
Note that 9front never claimed to be a continuation, but a f
13.05.2024 12:12:49 ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
> On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 11:57 AM, sirjofri wrote:
>> So, you could say, plan 9 from bell labs is the last released version, 4th
>> edition. The others (9legacy, 9front, ...) are also plan 9, just not plan 9
>
e yourself and give
something back to the community. Hunt for bugs and fix them, or write tools
that helps people, or improve the documentation. This should help the community
much more than top-level organization when there is no top-level.
I hope this mail finds you well, please read it with som
if she should fill out that one
specific column that is described as "please fill out this column". Those
people aren't here on this mailing list, but I would totally understand
extremely verbose (-v) mails like yours if you managed people like that for
many years!
I'm g
list evolved
like that and people don't want to contribute in that environment, or is it the
reason why it evolved like that?
Funnily enough, the 9fans discord community is very nice, helpful, I can barely
see any trolling attempt at all (at least I can't remember anything like that).
rio versions
with theming etc. I don't want that. It's not part of the distribution (with
very few exceptions), and it's 100% optional.
We don't always have to agree, but as long as we can discuss things in peace
and exchange information we can still be a community.
si
l environment, just set up a slack. And yes, this
is somewhat of a troll (I'm not good at it).
> Take care
This is very important. Take care.
Have a nice day and enjoy the sun from the shadows.
sirjofri
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g npe on your system, you can
ignore that and just manage the npe installation yourself (see README).
Note this is quite an early version and things are missing and buggy. A small
list is attached.
You can get the collection on shithub
(https://shithub.us/sirjofri/puzzles/HEAD/info.html when
ave a working (and wip), but very limited xslt processor. Both
tools are in a separate repository (xmltools).
Libxml and libxpath are available here:
http://shithub.us/sirjofri/xml-9atom/HEAD/info.html
https://git.sr.ht/~sirjofri/xml-9atom
Xq and xslt are available here:
http://shithub.us/sir
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