15.05.2024 17:04:56 Don Bailey <don.bai...@gmail.com>: > Yeah that's the thing, the few of us that have been around for 20 years > enjoyed the discussion as much as the engineering. But the discussion was > always around what to/not to do and how to do it. I was probably the biggest > outsider, as my career prior to diving into Plan 9 was classical violin. I > brought an art mindset to an engineering ecosystem and used the opportunity > to learn as much as I could from the Plan 9 guys, who I definitely considered > my engineering heroes (and still do). I'll never forget the side > conversations with jmk about how to go about testing kernel code and him > bringing me "back down to Earth". One of many little encounters that honestly > have made me into a much more refined engineer today. Albeit, with still > quite a ways to grow :-)
I always enjoy when people work with the system, and not only "on" it. Having actual users make most sense to me. I mean, it's an operating system. Having users from non-dev side (like sl, who's a writer) is also great. That discussion type you describe is something I can see on the 9front mailing list and the 9fans discord. I really hope 9fans can turn back to that state eventually. > I think it may just be harder for us "old heads" to understand how to fit in > with the modern communication style here. And I don't say this to be fiery or > disrespectful, but a lot of the discussions come off paranoid and > inflammatory while simultaneously accusing everyone *else* of being quite the > same. It's very strange and is a big reason a lot of people have left or just > choose to lurk. That's why I like to end messages with the most neutral smiley I can find. And I also try to read messages that way. Text can be rude, and I often enough find myself reading a text message in a discussion thread like a shakespeare program: arguing, fighting. However, the writer almost never intended to mean that! I also sometimes miss the fidonet messaging style. As far as I could experience it, it was always friendly and constructive. > That said, I have been excited by the developments in the 9front and 9legacy, > etc, groups, even if I don't fully agree with all the decision making. It at > least means people are still interested in building, and that's a good > start... Agreeing is not necessary. There are many topics where we don't have to agree to be a community. For example, I'd like to see libxml in 9front, but the decision makers decided against it. More recently, people wished for fossil to come back to 9front, but the decision makers decided against it. Both have their reasons, and we can always fork off another fork and begin our own distribution, or just have our own local version with our changes. Another example in the opposite direction: many users use various rio versions with theming etc. I don't want that. It's not part of the distribution (with very few exceptions), and it's 100% optional. We don't always have to agree, but as long as we can discuss things in peace and exchange information we can still be a community. sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9bf40e9448c878ab-M5717c4c296c89509b0c53f62 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
