Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Steve Simon
i can confirm vic is human and predates LLMs by many years. he has been a contributor to plan9 for as long as i can remember. people, be kind. -Steve > On 7 Oct 2024, at 5:10 am, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > No need for a DeLorean, Eli. This fits perfectly on a CD-ROM. ;-) > > http

Re: [9fans] plan9port changes to rc and acme

2024-10-06 Thread Kyohei Kadota via 9fans
I had imported a patch[1], that is equal sign improvement, from p9p's rc for 9legacy at that time. [1]: https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/lufia/plan9/pull/8.diff If someone would like. 2024年9月30日(月) 22:54 Russ Cox : > > Hi all, > > In plan9port, back in 2020, I wrote a new parser in r

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread vester . thacker
@Creaper Host Automations, that’s pretty funny! I appreciate the humor. If I were, I'd probably be running a version from 2006 on some very old hardware I’m still working with. Honestly, I'd love to put all of this drama behind me. It really has become pointless to engage the community at this p

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Eli Cohen
hey everyone! I'm just here to steal the Delorean. I honestly missed it on the first pass. and I'm not the kind of person who would steal a car. I resent these wild accusations. thank you for all of these great contributions! you're all doing excellent work. please remember it has to all fit on the

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread vester . thacker
No need for a DeLorean, Eli. This fits perfectly on a CD-ROM. ;-) https://tip9ug.jp/download/Plan_9_4th_Edition.2004.iso With the right hardware, it still works great. It might not be as forgiving as 9front or 9legacy, but it's still enjoyable to use. The best part is having a clean slate, with

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Creeper Host Animations
I wonder if Vic is running on Plan9 > On Oct 6, 2024, at 8:43 PM, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > It's understandable to feel frustrated and make mistakes when dealing with > online harassment. I'm currently experiencing ongoing harassment and stalking > from certain individuals here. If

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread sirjofri
Hi, I didn't take a look at Vic's patches, but I read the mails in this thread. And I can't see any obvious LLM crap, only messages that make sense in that context. So either I don't know what khm means because I didn't look at the patches, or I just can't get it. Other than that, it would be

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Noam Preil
The patches are deeply relevant, and to be quite honest I'm infuriated at how much people's time is being _deliberately_ wasted by "vic". I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt but this is now clearly active malice. The author of the project they submitted the patches to noticed the patches

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Noam Preil
https://github.com/g-w1/plan9zig/pull/2 I'd strongly suggest that anyone who thinks "vic" is genuinely trying to help, and at worst a bit incompetent, take a look at that thread. The author of plan9zig is not on this mailing list, to the best of my knowledge. They saw the 'patch', expressed appre

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
>On Sun, 06 Oct 2024 12:24:54 -0500 >"Noam Preil" wrote: > > https://github.com/g-w1/plan9zig/pull/2 > > I'd strongly suggest that anyone who thinks "vic" is genuinely trying > to help, and at worst a bit incompetent, take a look at that thread. I've been lurking and occasionally posting to this

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread tlaronde
On Sun, Oct 06, 2024 at 07:33:07PM +0200, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: > >On Sun, 06 Oct 2024 12:24:54 -0500 > >"Noam Preil" wrote: > > > > https://github.com/g-w1/plan9zig/pull/2 > > > > I'd strongly suggest that anyone who thinks "vic" is genuinely trying > > to help, and at worst a bit incompetent

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread vester . thacker
Hey Pixelherodev, g-w1, and anyone else inclined to harass—let’s be clear: I’m human. Accusing me of being a bot without meaningful discussion is discrediting and ostracizing. This behavior only fosters division. If we’re here to share knowledge, let’s do it with respect. Harassment has no place

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Noam Preil
I want to be 100% crystal clear here: vic has consistently dodged fault, used LLM-generated spam both on- and off-list, demonstrated an inability to distinguish between different people and between different venues, submitted patches that _do not compile_ and actively make code worse, and then accu

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Don A. Bailey
This list should just be renamed to schizophreniaposting. > On Oct 6, 2024, at 7:24 PM, Noam Preil wrote: > > I want to be 100% crystal clear here: vic has consistently dodged fault, > used LLM-generated spam both on- and off-list, demonstrated an inability > to distinguish between different

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread vester . thacker
Oh, bother. That’s not the best way to verify that I’m human, but Rob could confirm it. He invited me to Google’s R&D opening event in Tokyo in 2004. His invitation, extended to me and a few other Plan 9 users, wasn’t public knowledge and wouldn’t be accessible to a language model. At the event,

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread vester . thacker
It's understandable to feel frustrated and make mistakes when dealing with online harassment. I'm currently experiencing ongoing harassment and stalking from certain individuals here. If I knew their real names, I would consider taking legal action to address both their online and offline behavi

Re: r9 etc (Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread Stuart Morrow
On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 at 05:46, Bakul Shah via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > Though, the plan9 experiment is now over 35 years old. I wish any rewrite (of > a rewrite) would consider how the computing culture has changed since then > and try to address today's challenges somehow. And also conside

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

2024-10-06 Thread sirjofri
06.10.2024 19:26:35 Noam Preil : > https://github.com/g-w1/plan9zig/pull/2 Oh, I see. Well, it seems the conversational LLM got better as the mails look more human-generated now. That also explains why Vic didn't put too much effort into the pull request to be applied. Maybe it's more like a "