i can confirm vic is human and predates LLMs by many years. he has been a contributor to plan9 for as long as i can remember.
people, be kind. -Steve > On 7 Oct 2024, at 5:10 am, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > No need for a DeLorean, Eli. This fits perfectly on a CD-ROM. ;-) > > https://tip9ug.jp/download/Plan_9_4th_Edition.2004.iso > > With the right hardware, it still works great. It might not be as forgiving > as 9front or 9legacy, but it's still enjoyable to use. The best part is > having a clean slate, with no one to bother you about it. If you want > features, just add them yourself. > > When I read comments about other forks, I think, 'Great, I’m glad they > exist.' But honestly, after using them and reflecting on my experiences over > the years, I’ll stick with what I’m using. There’s something peaceful about > running Plan 9 4th Edition on older computers—it's like living quietly in the > mountains rather than in a bustling city. > > After all this hoopla, I've come to realize that after I port something, it's > probably not even worth mentioning. > > - Vic > > >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, at 11:17, Eli Cohen wrote: >> hey everyone! I'm just here to steal the Delorean. I honestly missed it on >> the first pass. and I'm not the kind of person who would steal a car. I >> resent these wild accusations. thank you for all of these great >> contributions! you're all doing excellent work. please remember it has to >> all fit on the CD ROM >> >>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2024, 7:10 PM <vester.thac...@fastmail.fm> wrote: >>> >>> @Creaper Host Automations, that’s pretty funny! I appreciate the humor. If >>> I were, I'd probably be running a version from 2006 on some very old >>> hardware I’m still working with. Honestly, I'd love to put all of this >>> drama behind me. It really has become pointless to engage the community at >>> this point. >>> >>> - Vic >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, at 10:56, Creeper Host Animations wrote: >>>> I wonder if Vic is running on Plan9 >>>> >>>>> On Oct 6, 2024, at 8:43 PM, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's understandable to feel frustrated and make mistakes when dealing >>> with online harassment. I'm currently experiencing ongoing harassment and >>> stalking from certain individuals here. If I knew their real names, I would >>> consider taking legal action to address both their online and offline >>> behaviors, and possibly inform their employers if that would help resolve >>> the issue. It's really that serious. I'm unsure how to navigate this >>> situation—it's overwhelming and feels like pure madness, filled with >>> projection. >>>>> >>>>> Engaging with a community becomes incredibly difficult when some >>> individuals seem intent on harassing others for their own amusement. >>>>> >>>>> - Vic >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, at 09:53, Don A. Bailey wrote: >>>>>> This list should just be renamed to schizophreniaposting. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2024, at 7:24 PM, Noam Preil <n...@pixelhero.dev> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to be 100% crystal clear here: vic has consistently dodged >>> fault, >>>>>>> used LLM-generated spam both on- and off-list, demonstrated an >>> inability >>>>>>> to distinguish between different people and between different venues, >>>>>>> submitted patches that _do not compile_ and actively make code worse, >>>>>>> and then accused reviewers of harassment for asking for an >>> explanation, >>>>>>> alternated between gaslighting people when confronted and dodging >>>>>>> questions entirely, moved goalposts, and on and on and on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Literally every post they've sent has had hallmarks of LLM behavior. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vic's claim: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> . Unfortunately, instead of constructive feedback, I was asked to >>>>>>>> remove the comments explaining my work, only to then be asked to >>>>>>>> provide explanations afterward >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What was actually asked, >>>>>>> https://github.com/g-w1/plan9zig/pull/2#issuecomment-2394838562 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most of these comments are redundant with what the code does. >>>>>>>> Before I merge, could you please remove most of these redundant >>> comments? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After taking a second look, the author noticed more problems, and >>>>>>> followed up again: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://github.com/g-w1/plan9zig/pull/2#issuecomment-2394851139 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmm, yeah a bunch of this code seems just plain hallucinated. >>>>>>>> @vimanuelt can you explain why you made the changes you did? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was not a request to remove explanations and then provide >>>>>>> explanations. There was a request to remove _bad comments_, followed >>> by >>>>>>> the realization that the patch was submitted by a bot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most tellingly, "vic"'s comment on the PR appears incapable of >>>>>>> distinguishing between the PR and this mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> feel free to contact me directly to reduce noise on the mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> g-w1 and vic never interacted before that. g-w1 is not on this list. >>>>>>> There _was no noise_ on this list as a result of the patches. >>>>>>> Interestingly, eople on this list have complained about noise on the >>>>>>> list as a result of vic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moreover, in their follow-up messages to the list, vic has accused >>>>>>> people _on the list_ of criticizing the patches, but they did so >>> _before >>>>>>> anyone said anything here_. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The evidence is strong that Vic is, at best, an LLM and, at worst, an >>>>>>> asshole, actively attempting to gaslight people about its own >>> behaviors >>>>>>> and comments, and attempting to guilt others for calling out its toxic >>>>>>> actions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a response to a message asking people to be upfront >>>>>>> about LLM usage, it responded as follows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have noticed the emergence of LLMs in email clients and >>>>>>>> word processors. Additionally, the need to cut and paste >>>>>>>> results has been eliminated, making the integration seamless >>>>>>>> and LLM usage soon commonplace. >>>>>>>> It is easier and more honest to disclose their >>>>>>>> use rather than calling out suspected users and diminishing >>>>>>>> trust. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not wasting more ink on this, but please, please >>>>>>> please stop feeding the troll. It's not worth it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Noam Preil >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9d57d40811a8ec5d-Mf165662dddc92cda053fab2b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
