On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Jason Catena wrote:
> A quick edit frees acme from its "heavy grid prison", a la Tufte.
If you look in Envisioning Information, he recommends no borders for
all windows, except the focused one, which is yellow. Sam does this
(with a different shade that isn't as l
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, andrey mirtchovski
wrote:
> it's on slashdot, it must be true:
>
> "During a roundtable discussion at LinuxCon in Portland, Oregon this
> afternoon, moderator and Novell distinguished engineer James Bottomley
> asked Tovalds whether Linux kernel features were being
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
>> Are you implying Doug McIlroy hadn't been taught about (and inevitably
>> occupied by) Church-Turing Thesis or even before that Ackermann function and
>> had to wait to be inspired by a comment in passing about FORTRAN to realize
>> the importance
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> i'm not a lisp fan. but it's discouraging to see
> such lack of substance as the following (collected
> from a few posts):
>
>> Oh, yay, a Xah Lee quote, he's surely a trusted source on all things
>> Lisp. Didja read his page about hiring a
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
> I just purchased an G2-Touch phone (running Android) - a really
> cool toy, but it lacks 9P support ;-o
I don't know how open Android is, but if you could cross-compile the
v9fs modules (or compile them on the phone, if the
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:08 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>>
>> Any chance this is related to the issues we discussed on #plan9?
>>
>
> since not everyone who reads the list does irc, why
> don't you fill us in on the issues discussed on #plan9?
>
> - erik
>
>
Sorry, forgot to crossreference my threa
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Venkatesh Srinivas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think I've found a bug in p9p's Venti, if anyone were to take a look
> at this code or tell me if I'm on the right track, it'd be pretty
> neat.
>
> When trying to start Venti on a FreeBSD 8-BETA2 system and a ZFS
> filesystem,
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> qed allowed naming of regular expressions using `e' and their recursive
> invocation
> using \E, with results suggested earlier.
>
> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/qedman.html
> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/qedman.pdf
>
> ``
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:26 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> No, I know you can apply them `recursively', I mean something more
>> like an expression in a CFG or yacc.
>>
>> >
>> > can you outline somehow what you're thinking of?
>>
>> Basically, if you could take a bracketed expression in sam and the
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> > i'm sure i've done them. this is a lame example, since i can't remember
>> > where i've used these techniques off the top of my head
>> >
>> > ,x:.*: g/#pragma/ x:[^ ]+[ ]: g/print/p
>>
>> How is this recursive?
>
> in the sense that
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Aug 20 13:54:35 EDT 2009, jrm8...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Has anyone given thought to recursive structural regular expressions?
>
> i'm sure i've done them. this is a lame example, since i can't remember
> where i've used these techniques
Has anyone given thought to recursive structural regular expressions?
I didn't see a way to do recursion from reading the paper and
experimenting.
The reason for recursion would be that instead of having hopped-up
regexes, we'd now have context-free expressions. Yacc needing tokens
makes doing CF
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> i use html, then any browser will do, even ie6 for most things.
> i use an rc script and awk to take an outline format such as
> - burble
> - more burble
> - even more burble
> with some other convention
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Akshat
Kumar wrote:
> gs(1) compiled fine with ijs driver - I hope it doesn't
> need to be updated as well. Thanks for the information,
> Russ.
>
> I found Prof. Okamoto's page on HPIJS 1.5
> port: http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/s54.html
> (binaries linke
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>> IJS is probably it; that's the PCL driver for the home-office class printers.
>
> IJS is not PCL.
>
> IJS is a custom protocol that is spoken between a bitma
IJS is probably it; that's the PCL driver for the home-office class printers.
Akshat: PCL is proprietary but not closed; you can find references to
it online. I would highly recommend never looking at PCL since it will
make your eyes bleed. Hopefully the Ghostscript drivers will work for
you.
On
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Aaron W. Hsu wrote:
> need to run, but this isn't the case, because apparently objtype isn't
> defined, and then when it is, it doesn't know what to do about things. :-/
You should be able to rewrite the mkfile using any of the p9p mkfiles
in $PLAN9/src/ as a guide
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:13 AM, plus 852 wrote:
> Is it possible to use sam as an external editor for the mail programs
> mutt or pine? If so, is anyone doing this? What does one add to a mutt
> or pine config file to get this working?
>
>
You definitely want to use E. If you look hard enough, you
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM, pmarin wrote:
> I wonder if is possible that underground operating systems like Haiku,
> Aros or Plan9 should share some kind of knowledge database (not only
> the source code) about drivers implementation and don't try to
> reinvent the wheel. Haiku seems to do a gr
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:55 PM, John DeGood wrote:
> J.R. Mauro wrote:
>> Doesn't ASUS burn the Linux distro into a chip, though? Maybe there
>> are utilities to flash it with something else.
>
> I believe new ASUS motherboards typically boot Splashtop from hard disk,
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:49 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> btw the sata FLASH parts are surprisingly fast. Not at all like USB
> sticks, if that is what you are used to.
> ron
>
>
Ron, have you researched any long-term wear studies on these flash
drives? I've heard a lot of good things,
but I'm really
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
> A buddy of mine just got this: asus p5ql/epu motherboard. It came with
> Splashtop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop
> ... which is a linux distribution that boots in like 5 seconds or so.
> Complete with BlackBox for a window manag
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Uriel wrote:
> It might be worth trying to get control back, I think you can do that
> for domain squatters that violate trademarks, as is clearly the case
> here.
I think that's only if the trademark owner pursues it, and the US may
have other draconian clauses to
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Corey wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 July 2009 11:19:08 John Floren wrote:
>> Ever wish you had more GUI programs on Plan 9 to show off to your
>> friends? Do you think Mothra represents the very pinnacle of UI
>> design? Then have I got a program for you...
>>
>> I've spen
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:55 AM, sqweek wrote:
> 2009/7/28 J.R. Mauro :
>> One caveat about E: if you're paranoid like I am and save your file
>> many times while editing, E will not be terribly friendly until you
>> train yourself to save only when finished. (This is n
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Tim Newsham wrote:
>>> Is there some idiom or method for using Acme as an external editor to some
>>> other program? Say I want to use it as the editor that is spawned when I do
>>> a CVS commit to a system; how wo
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jason Catena
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 14:36, root wrote:
>>>
>>> unsuscribe
>>>
>>
>> I guess Unix isn't interested in Plan 9 anymore.
>> Jason Catena
>>
>
> It doesn't understand these youn
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Corey wrote:
>> On Saturday 18 July 2009 12:29:29 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
>>> The secret plan 9 super secret
>>> society fork is yet another evolution, actually primarily motivated by
>>> bitter, disru
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:35 PM, dorin bumbu wrote:
> There are thousands of devices shipped with Microsoft Windows CE prior
> to version 4 (.NET). For these devices MS never offered patches even
> if these versions had lots of bugs, nor even standard C libraries
> (thank God there is wcecompat). A
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Skip Tavakkolian<9...@9netics.com> wrote:
>> Or is there a better idea? This certainly seems preferable
>> to RPC or plain byte pipes for communicating structured
>> values.
>
> i have some incomplete ideas that are tangentially related to this --
> more for handli
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Akshat
Kumar wrote:
> The idea seems inviting at first, but have you
> given a thought to using plumber(4) for
> "interprocess messaging" (which is what you
> want, from what I understand)? This seems
> more appropriate for communication amongst
> processes alien to
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> a few things:
>
> 1) note that when the web site is down, sources may still be up
> (someone in IRC made this mistake). i run an automated availability
> check of sources every 10 minutes and didn't see an outage.
>
> 2) Ethan, i'm not sure i
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
>> Should we put patches here, too?
>
> Yes. I'd like plan9port-dev to have all
> the discussion of plan9port development
> and problems.
>
> There's a different story for patches that
> is still not quite complete, but it's a start.
> Look for uplo
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
> +plan9port-dev
> bcc: 9fans
>
> I have just created a mailing list for these questions.
> It is not documented anywhere yet - yours is the first.
> I would have called the mailing list plan9port-help
> but apparently -help is not a valid mailing li
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:08 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> you need to find the niche and provide programs, which people can just
> use. Or you need to find the niche that lets other people write
> programs, and we're not where we need to be on that score. It's still
> too hard for people to write serve
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM, ron minnich wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:18 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>>>
>>>> We hope to. One of the rea
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> It would be nice to fix up mounts so that you didn't need to be root
>> and all that crap, and then make it the default, but I doubt Linus
>> would let it fly. I get the feeling that private namespaces are viewed
>> like chroots: a security
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:18 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>
>> We hope to. One of the reasons it would actually be unwise to let
>> anyone mount anything now is that no one uses per-process namespaces.
>> That's probably
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM, hiro<23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> When I need remote access I nowadays use v9fs+ssh.
>> Multi-user auth in kernel like you propose sounds nice and consistent,
>> but too complicated. It doesn't fit li
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Tim Newsham wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, that's really new behavior-- never used to fail without mount
>> helper. Can you give the exact error message?
>
> # strace -o trace.txt mount -t 9p thenewsh.com /mnt
Linux doesn't do
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
> 2009/7/10 J.R. Mauro :
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being
>>> polite and pointing people to the wiki and t
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote:
>
> I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being
> polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives.
You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise.
>
> Even Ghandi would have eventually gotten sick of peopl
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Yes, but with all the work in Acme and Sam, I've become quite
>> accustomed to having ` look nice. It just makes the browser look out
>> of place. It's not just the tick either, I'd like the browser font to
>> generally look the same.
>
> tha
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> > The enlightened use ' and " for all kinds of single and double quotes,
>> > because you can copy/paste them anywhere and everybody sees them
>> > properly. Also, few things in the world look worse than seeing a quote
>> > done ``like this''
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Speaking of that, is there a way to do the reverse, to get plan 9
>> Bigelow fonts that Linux can use? I'm sick of my browser not knowing
>> that the character left of the 1 on my keyboard is an open-quote.
>
> maybe this is your problem:
>
>
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM, John Floren wrote:
> Remember, only heathens use ` to begin a quote.
>
> The enlightened use ' and " for all kinds of single and double quotes,
> because you can copy/paste them anywhere and everybody sees them
> properly. Also, few things in the world look worse tha
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> I just ported the linux driver
I'm interested in how hard this is, and how it might be made easier.
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:57:19 +0200
> cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
>
>> yeah... connecting terminals to warp energy plasma conduits
>> seems to be a bad idea.
>
> Yeah, it's also a deeply wierd thing to do unless the terminals require at
> l
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Aaron W. Hsu wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
Perhaps only tangential to what you are after, but there are little
scripts like ind, unind, quote, and powerful things like fmt, awk,
etc. that you can process your text with. Simply type a pipe char and
t
Here is a less drunk and better working version of the patch.
Scrolling seems to be working perfectly. I hope gmail doesn't eat this
patch.
=
Add scrollwheel support to sam
diff -r 5f1b36ecd9db src/cmd/samterm/main.c
--- a/src/cmd/samterm/main.cTue Jun 09 09:26:13 2009 -0700
+++ b/src/cmd/sa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, wrote:
>> perhaps i should have taken piano, but i find the
>
> That's an interesting observation. As it turns out I
> do play, and it's certainly possible that it colors my
> taste in UIs.
The weirdest thing about piano for me (typist first) is pressing more
than
> first trick, but I do use hold mode... usually after I have typed a
> few lines and want to edit them.
Hold mode is a godsend
could someone help clean this crappy patch up a bit? i'm drunk and sam
not being able to understand my scrollwheel is really pissing me off.
at least this works despite it being ugly and steeped in cheap
whiskey...
--jorden
diff -r 5f1b36ecd9db src/cmd/samterm/main.c
--- a/src/cmd/samterm/main.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> I accidentally installed a FreeBSD drive in my MacBook. To my surprise,
> it just worked. If you install a boot drive with the "usual" PC disk
> partitioning the Macs will boot in what seems to be a fairly complete
> BIOS emulation.
>
> How
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
>
> Indeed, but it's an excellent reason to remove a bad feature. @ was a
> bad feature. It was hard to use well because @* or @+ would consume
> the whole file.
Your structural regex paper gripes about . and * not consuming
newlines. Apparently it
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:57 AM, roger peppe wrote:
> you need (.|\n) instead of .
>
> sam originally used @ as a "match everything" character
> but it was removed, presumably because it was rarely used.
That's a stupid reason to remove a good feature. By that token, maybe
we should remove structu
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Jason Catena wrote:
> Some plan9port plumbing I wrote which may help someone.
>
> Using the plan9port plumber to find files in ClearCase VOBs.
> http://www.evernote.com/pub/catena/public#7d2e9774-964f-423c-96e9-5e8721b1a78d
>
> Also plumb man(1) pattern to local man
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, andrey
mirtchovski wrote:
> most likely "astro" needs to be taught a bit about maths ;)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drE5cHe6c3s
>
What *was* that?
p9p rio has virtuals, too. I would tell you to look at the source for
more inspiration, but I don't really want to be a comedian.
How does one switch desktops? Can/did you implement scrolling on a
gray bit to switch? Extending the fs?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:54 PM, wrote:
> I spent a couple ho
I got it to build for linux with some modifications, if you or anyone
is interested. Now I just need a sawk and syacc.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>>
>> It does. That doesn't build either :(
>>
>
> there is very little source code there. why not dump the configure
> goo
I can't help with this in particular, but QEMU does some really
low-level hackery to the point where it wouldn't compile with GCC 4,
so it's possible something like that is going on here.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Adrian Tritschler wrote:
> I've got a p9p venti running on two separate ubunt
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:15:37 -0400
> "J.R. Mauro" wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've gotten mailfs to work in plan9port with gmail's imap service, and
>> now I'd like to get smtp working so I can reply. Has anyone tried
>> this? Is there a wa
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Bhanu Nagendra
Pisupati wrote:
> First off, I really am a big fan of filesystem interfaces as used in Plan 9
> - after all my PhD work was based on the model :)
Did you do this on Plan 9 or bring some of the filesystem sanity of another OS?
> My objective here is t
Hi,
I've gotten mailfs to work in plan9port with gmail's imap service, and
now I'd like to get smtp working so I can reply. Has anyone tried
this? Is there a way to do it? How about configuring Acme Mail to use
something other than marshal (say, mutt)?
Thanks in advance,
Jorden
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote:
> Lets assume a classical example (modified slightly to fit 9P):
> a synthetic filesystem that serves images from a web cam.
> The very same frame can be asked for in different formats
> (.gif, .png, .pdf, etc.). Is serving
> gif/frame
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> it took me sometime to go through the old backups but it seems
> that the NFS setup is gone by now. You can still ask questions,
> if you want to, but I won't be able to send you all the working
> conf. files.
>
> On Tue, 200
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> generally useful besides a gmap helper, I suppose. I'm trying to see
> if I can get something like google maps directions based on geoloc
> since the yahoo site it uses seems to not fail if you give it a very
> vague address,
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Fri Jun 5 22:03:29 EDT 2009, jrm8...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Someone on contrib has a gmap (not the shell script one that was
>> mentioned recently, the older(?) one done in C). I made the following
>> stupid script to help start gm
Hi,
Someone on contrib has a gmap (not the shell script one that was
mentioned recently, the older(?) one done in C). I made the following
stupid script to help start gmap at a user-specified address. Gmap
only understands coordinates, which I can't memorize. But it's
generally useful besides a gm
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>>
>> It does. That doesn't build either :(
>>
>
> there is very little source code there. why not dump the configure
> goo and use p9p instead?
>
> - erik
>
>
I want to, but as usual, time is a problem.
Hi all,
In an attempt to get the Juke program to play nice with other programs
wanting to use sound, I modified the Juke script to run 'aoss ajuke
$*'
This had the result of letting other programs access the sound card,
but now Juke can't play more than one song. It seems that ajuke is
stuck on s
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:56 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Wed Jun 3 19:41:39 EDT 2009, n...@lsub.org wrote:
>> I have a ssam script that does the work. But it's not really streaming.
>>
>> El 04/06/2009, a las 1:36, jrm8...@gmail.com escribió:
>>
>> > Speaking of regexes in Plan 9, did the "str
Speaking of regexes in Plan 9, did the "structural awk" or "stream
sam" Rob dreamed of in the SE paper ever get realized?
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:34 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote:
>> On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 11:03 -0700, John Floren wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 10:30 -0700, John Floren wrote:
>>
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Steve Simon wrote:
>> damn, he found out our evil plan...
>
> And we would have got away with it if it hadn't been for you pesky kids.
>
And their TALKING DOG.
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:17 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>> There are plenty of mirrors, I'm pretty sure the "sources is down
>> AGAIN" comments could be mitigated by people improving their 9fs
>> scripts.
>
There are plenty of mirrors, I'm pretty sure the "sources is down
AGAIN" comments could be mitigated by people improving their 9fs
scripts.
es for it.
>
> Lucho
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>> Does anyone have any updates/links to source code for vidi? I just got
>> a venti up and running to back my laptop up to and I'd really like to
>> have vidi in between for when I'm offline.
>>
>>
>
>
Does anyone have any updates/links to source code for vidi? I just got
a venti up and running to back my laptop up to and I'd really like to
have vidi in between for when I'm offline.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> where do they think linux, minux, unix came from?
>
> “
> "It rarely leads to good things" when a small community gets
> headed off in their own direction, he [lwn editor j. corbet] said.
That's odd since he's worked on Linux
>
> What kind of latency?
>
> For speed of light in fibre optic 30ms is about 8000km (New York to San
> Francisco and back)
Assuming you have a direct fiber connection with no routers in
between. I would say that is somewhat rare.
>>
>> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
>> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
>> explicit control over the update process.
>
> I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any common
> Linux distribution, can opt for
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> this discussion of checkpoint/restart reminds me of
> a hint i was given years ago: if you wanted to break into a system,
> attack through the checkpoint/restart system. i won a jug of
> beer for my subsequent successful attack which involv
r polluting their list with Windows
> nonsense. This will end right here even if J. R. Mauro goes on to say
> her/his Windows system won't boot after a clean successful installation.
No one asked you to pollute the list the first time around, and I
haven't run Windows on anything i
ng ago I can't
remember what the circumstances exactly were.
>
> --On Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:19 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro"
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This thing about Windows updates, I t
>
> I _do_ think yours should come first! Having to say: "yes" to an user...
If you don't say 'yes' at some point, you won't have a system anyone
will want to use. Remember all those quotes about why Unix doesn't
prevent you from doing stupid things?
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:10 AM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>
>> I agree that generally only one process will be accessing a "normal"
>> file at once. I think an editor is not a good example, as you say.
>>
>
&g
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package
>> management system for Linux.
>
> if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell.
> portage is now exactly what its developers railed against — rpm
> depe
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
> This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like
> updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained
> classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be used by
> any more or
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:11 AM, wrote:
>> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
>> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
>> explicit control over the update process.
>
> I was specifically omitting BSD ports, as they are in a differe
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Sat Apr 18 11:08:21 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:50 AM, erik quanstrom
>> wrote:
>>
>> > in a plan 9 system, the only files that i can think of which many processes
>> > have open at the same time ar
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:50 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> > * you can get the same effect by increasing the scale of your system.
>> >
>> > * the reason conventional systems work is not, in my opinion, because
>> > the collision window is small, but because one typically doesn't do
>> > conflictin
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, wrote:
>> Every time I have to use something like
>> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
>
> Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
> wanting to update themselves and the effort to "manage" these updates
>
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:37 PM, erik quanstrom
>> wrote:
>> >> I can imagine a lot of problems stemming from open files could be
>> >> resolved by first attempting to import the process's namespace at the
>> >> time of checkpoint and,
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> But I'll say that if anyone tries to solve these problems today, they
>> should not fall into the same trap, [...]
>
> yes. forward thinking was just the thing that made multics
> what it is today.
>
> it is equally a trap to try to prog
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:56 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Vidi also seems to be an attempt to make Venti work in such a dynamic
>> environment. IMHO, the assumption that computers are always connected
>> to the network was a fundamental mistake in Plan 9
>
> on the other hand, without this assump
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:37 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> I can imagine a lot of problems stemming from open files could be
>> resolved by first attempting to import the process's namespace at the
>> time of checkpoint and, upon that failing, using cached copies of the
>> file made at the time of
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:39 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:06 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the problem's bigger than I thought (not surprising since I
>> didn't think much about it). I'm having a hard time figuring out how
>> Con
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>
>> Amen. Linux is currently having a seriously hard time getting C/R
>> working properly, just because of the issues you mention. The second
>> you mix in non-loc
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> if you want to look at checkpointing, it's worth going back to look at
> Condor, because they made it really work. There are a few interesting
> issues that you need to get right. You can't make it 50% of the way
> there; that's not useful. You
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