[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Remember Amtrak Express as an alternative. Amtrak will transport your fully assembled bike in one of their extra-large boxes from/to any of their stations with baggage service for roughly $68. All that is required is turning the bars and removing pedals. I just shipped my Atlantis from Albany Oregon to St. Louis MO this afternoon - a simple process. Parking at the train station is easy and free, the baggage people courteous and your bike is less likely to suffer damage than when on the airlines or UPS (I have horror stories of the latter if anyone is interested). Amtrak delivery takes a few days - figure 6 max coast to coast. Storage is free for the first two days after arrival at your destination and then $2 per day. Napa? There are a number of pleasant back road routes from the Sacramento-Davis area to the wine country and back and the local bike clubs have maps available online. Davis has long been considered a one of the nation's most bike-friendly communities and has a bikes-welcome Amtrak station. Once the bike is where you want to be, travel is much simplified. How about sending the bikes to Davis, then flying directly to Sacramento? The Capital Corridor train (with your bike if you choose) can easily take you to Berkeley and as far south as San Jose on 12 trains per day. This is bicycle country. Enjoy. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jdgaGaDfeqE/RYCXEt6TyII/AC8/CvQ1YPhGyU4/s400/davis%2Btrain%2Bstation.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bikecommutetips.blogspot.com/2006/12/amtrak-capitol-corridor-celebrates-15.html&usg=__2UUFz5yRjvGte2vhL28v5YCMaMs=&h=258&w=400&sz=27&hl=en&start=17&tbnid=U11w1lEbYvQRZM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Damtrak%2Bstation%2Bdavis%2Bcalifornia%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Rich Mitchell On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this > group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information > I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites > or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK > but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me > stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give. > Cheers, > Don > donl...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: WTB: 46cm Nitto Noodle Handlebars
Take care of. Thanks! Clif http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ On Aug 19, 9:15 pm, Cycletex wrote: > Anyone have a 46cm Nitto Noodle Handlebar they want to get rid of? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:12 AM, mitchelr wrote: > Remember Amtrak Express as an alternative. Amtrak will transport your > fully assembled bike in one of their extra-large boxes from/to any of > their stations with baggage service for roughly $68. All that is > required is turning the bars and removing pedals.How > about sending the bikes to Davis, then flying directly to Sacramento? Or just take the train oneself and take the bike along as luggage. I can't recall if there is a charge for this, but if so it is much less than the $68 or the $50-100 that airlines will charge. Friends have even done day trips this way, taking their bikes on Amtrak to a town about 125 miles a way and making a day of it riding back home. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
> Or just take the train oneself and take the bike along as luggage. I > can't recall if there is a charge for this, but if so it is much less > than the $68 or the $50-100 that airlines will charge. I did this last year. Amtrak charged $15.00 over the price of the ticket, supplied the box, the crew was very helpful throughout. Amtrak is much more pleasant than flying as far as I am concerned. Even if you do not get a cabin, the general seats are far more roomy and comfortable than plane seats. I enjoy seeing the countryside from the train window. The only problem of course is that Amtrak borrows freight train track on most of its routes. The freight trains are supposed to allow Amrtak easy passage, but there is no penalty for them not to. As a result, Amtrak trains are frequently halted to allow freight trains to pass, maintenance crews to finish, etc. If you are on a tight schedule, it can be a little frustrating. On Aug 20, 8:34 am, Tim McNamara wrote: > On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:12 AM, mitchelr wrote: > > > Remember Amtrak Express as an alternative. Amtrak will transport your > > fully assembled bike in one of their extra-large boxes from/to any of > > their stations with baggage service for roughly $68. All that is > > required is turning the bars and removing pedals. How > > about sending the bikes to Davis, then flying directly to Sacramento? > > Or just take the train oneself and take the bike along as luggage. I > can't recall if there is a charge for this, but if so it is much less > than the $68 or the $50-100 that airlines will charge. Friends have > even done day trips this way, taking their bikes on Amtrak to a town > about 125 miles a way and making a day of it riding back home. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Hello Don, You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some maps. Gary On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this > group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information > I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites > or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK > but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me > stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give. > Cheers, > Don > donl...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested in looking it over. Ray --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: From: Gary Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM Hello Don, You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some maps. Gary On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this > group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information > I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites > or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK > but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me > stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give. > Cheers, > Don > donl...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Wow, I just want to say how helpful all of the responses have been thus far. Each response has has some real practical information.This is one heck of a group for offering help to one another. Thank you all so very much. Cheers, Don On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested in > looking it over. > > Ray > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > From: Gary > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM > > Hello Don, > > You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it > tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your > trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just > returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the > Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 > in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. > No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. > But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some > maps. > > Gary > On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > > > > > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this > > group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information > > I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites > > or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK > > but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me > > stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give. > > Cheers, > > Don > > donl...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Sorry -- it was Gary's route i am interested in looking over, not Don's (yet). Ray --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Don wrote: From: Don Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:09 AM Wow, I just want to say how helpful all of the responses have been thus far. Each response has has some real practical information.This is one heck of a group for offering help to one another. Thank you all so very much. Cheers, Don On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested in > looking it over. > > Ray > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > From: Gary > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM > > Hello Don, > > You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it > tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your > trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just > returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the > Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 > in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. > No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. > But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some > maps. > > Gary > On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > > > > > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this > > group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information > > I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites > > or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK > > but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me > > stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give. > > Cheers, > > Don > > donl...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] End of the Atlantis?!?
New post on the RIv site. http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames. "I'm going to get another Atlantis (I've been riding the first prototype for 11 years now, and rode it home last night and up in the hills the night before, and will ride it home and in the hills after work tonite, and it's my main camping bike, and so on). But I will get another one before they go away." I hate to see it go away (not even "to sleep" this time). Cant W'ford build'em? Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM, cm wrote: > > New post on the RIv site. > > http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 > > Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames. > > "I'm going to get another Atlantis (I've been riding the first > prototype for 11 years now, and rode it home last night and up in the > hills the night before, and will ride it home and in the hills after > work tonite, and it's my main camping bike, and so on). But I will get > another one before they go away." > > I hate to see it go away (not even "to sleep" this time). Cant W'ford > build'em? > It's a shame to see them go - but just think - if you have an atlantis now, you're riding a 'rare' and soon to be discontinued bicycle :) -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] WTB: Wheelset w/ 130mm rear spacing. Shimano 105 or better.
I'm looking for a wheelset for a Specialized Expedition rebuild. 130mm rear spacing. (Don't want to respace to 135 just yet). Shimano 105 hubs or better. Rims that can handle 37c tires. A used set of synergy rims w/ Phil hubs would be dreamy but probably not realistic. BTW I was about to purchase the Sun CR18 / 105 wheelset from Velo Orange but it's sold out so something in that range or better is what I'm desiring. Thanks! Clif http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM, cm wrote: > > New post on the RIv site. > > http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 > > Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames. > What a tragedy. I guess now folks who want Atlantis-type bikes will have to go for custom. I understand why Riv might be forced to make this decision, but it still makes me sad. Good thing I have two Atlantises. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get a LHT frame and fork for what, $500? It seems that GP had anticipated this, by presenting the 2 new models. Unless I am missing something, once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a bike model that is capable of loaded touring. Joel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Unless I am missing something, > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a > bike model that is capable of loaded touring. > > Joel I'd say the Bombadil remains a good option on that front. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 12:43 -0700, Solomander wrote: > > I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are > pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could > make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder > what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can > dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get > a LHT frame and fork for what, $500? It seems that GP had anticipated > this, by presenting the 2 new models. Unless I am missing something, > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a > bike model that is capable of loaded touring. I think the other shoe hasn't yet dropped, is all. If the Toyo frames are discontinued because manufacture in Japan is getting too expensive -- and by that I mean costs the same as an American-made custom, a point that recently came up on the Serotta forum in a discussion of the Road-eo: the Indy Fab Crown Jewel custom costs the same as the production Road-eo -- wouldn't it make sense for Rivendell to find an alternate source? At least, that's how I interpret the statement that "... I will get another one before the Toyo-built ones go away." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it needs to begin to develop on shore manufacturing capability. It can be done. Bilenkey offers his Delux Touring frameset for $1900, Co- Motion offers a high end tig welded frameset for about $1500, and I think Waterford is $2200, which is just petty darn close to a Toyo price. Why promote MUSA clothing and then abandon MUSA frames? High end mfgs, like Phil Wood, White Industries, and Pauls are able to make stuff here. Heck I just bought a lettuce spinner manufactured in Switzerland, which last time I was there made the US look like a third world country. Michael On Aug 20, 3:50 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 12:43 -0700, Solomander wrote: > > > I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are > > pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could > > make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder > > what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can > > dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get > > a LHT frame and fork for what, $500? It seems that GP had anticipated > > this, by presenting the 2 new models. Unless I am missing something, > > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a > > bike model that is capable of loaded touring. > > I think the other shoe hasn't yet dropped, is all. If the Toyo frames > are discontinued because manufacture in Japan is getting too expensive > -- and by that I mean costs the same as an American-made custom, a point > that recently came up on the Serotta forum in a discussion of the > Road-eo: the Indy Fab Crown Jewel custom costs the same as the > production Road-eo -- wouldn't it make sense for Rivendell to find an > alternate source? At least, that's how I interpret the statement that > "... I will get another one before the Toyo-built ones go away." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
This makes me want to buy one. And I don¹t need one. At all. From: Anne Paulson Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:26:07 -0700 To: Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!? On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM, cm wrote: > > New post on the RIv site. > > http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 > > Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames. > What a tragedy. I guess now folks who want Atlantis-type bikes will have to go for custom. I understand why Riv might be forced to make this decision, but it still makes me sad. Good thing I have two Atlantises. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
on 8/20/09 12:47 PM, Rick at richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: > > Unless I am missing something, >> once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a >> bike model that is capable of loaded touring. >> >> Joel > > I'd say the Bombadil remains a good option on that front. ...and quite possibly the Hillborne, which really is between the Atlantis and the Hlsen, in terms of the frame/loading. Depends upon your capacity needs. But, indeed. (hat off, over the heart, mug raised high) Here's to the Atlantis! The first production bicycle of Rivendell Bicycle Works. http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "There were messengers who named their bikes, but Chevette never would have done that, and somehow because she did think about it like it was something alive." William Gibson - "Virtual Light" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the > assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If > Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it > needs to begin to develop on shore manufacturing capability. It can > be done. Bilenkey offers his Delux Touring frameset for $1900, Co- > Motion offers a high end tig welded frameset for about $1500, and I > think Waterford is $2200, which is just petty darn close to a Toyo > price. Why promote MUSA clothing and then abandon MUSA frames? > > High end mfgs, like Phil Wood, White Industries, and Pauls are able to > make stuff here. Heck I just bought a lettuce spinner manufactured in > Switzerland, which last time I was there made the US look like a third > world country. Was the demise of match a factor in Rivendell going to Toyo for frames? I mean, aside from Waterford, they were the only high-end production frame house in the US, and it would be a huge headache for them to build their own network of framebuilders, maintain consistency, etc. Maybe it's time for someone to start up an enterprise like that again, or at least some sort of collective where a handful of builders can share a common marketing and office operation. Something like the http://madisonframebuilders.com/ group, but building to spec. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:09 -0700, MichaelH wrote: > I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the > assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If > Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it > needs to begin to develop on shore manufacturing capability. It can > be done. Bilenkey offers his Delux Touring frameset for $1900, Co- > Motion offers a high end tig welded frameset for about $1500, and I > think Waterford is $2200, which is just petty darn close to a Toyo > price. Why promote MUSA clothing and then abandon MUSA frames? A welded custom Tournesol is $2200. A welded custom Hampsten Strada Bianca is $200. A custom welded steel Independent Fabrications frame + fork (and of course, Indy Fab makes the welded Tournesols and Hampstens) runs between $1900 - 2600. A welded custom Waterford (14-series) can go for under $1800 for frame and fork. Yes, those are not lugged. And of course they're not Rivendells. OTOH, they are among the competition. Lugged is worth something, and custom is worth something too. The Ebisu is a production Japanese frame + fork. It's $1400. And it's lugged. And then there's the Taiwanese competion. Velo Orange is still hoping to bring its production VO Randonneur in at around $700 for frame and fork, and it'll be lugged (and standard diameter tubing, too). Even if they miss that target by quite a bit and it comes in at a thousand dollars, it'll still be one very attractive bike. Given all this, I'm inclined to think a $2300 Toyo-built production frame is just plain overpriced. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Bill Connell wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > > > I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the > > assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If > > Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it > > needs to begin to develop on shore manufacturing capability. It can > > be done. Bilenkey offers his Delux Touring frameset for $1900, Co- > > Motion offers a high end tig welded frameset for about $1500, and I > > think Waterford is $2200, which is just petty darn close to a Toyo > > price. Why promote MUSA clothing and then abandon MUSA frames? > > > > High end mfgs, like Phil Wood, White Industries, and Pauls are able to > > make stuff here. Heck I just bought a lettuce spinner manufactured in > > Switzerland, which last time I was there made the US look like a third > > world country. > > Was the demise of match a factor in Rivendell going to Toyo for > frames? I mean, aside from Waterford, they were the only high-end > production frame house in the US, and it would be a huge headache for > them to build their own network of framebuilders, maintain > consistency, etc. Maybe it's time for someone to start up an > enterprise like that again, or at least some sort of collective where > a handful of builders can share a common marketing and office > operation. Something like the http://madisonframebuilders.com/ group, > but building to spec. > > -- > Bill Connell > St. Paul, MN > > > > Count me as a very happy to own a low SN Atlantis. It has been and will remain as my principle touring system with full racks. It safely took me from Minneapolis to Madison one summer and then around Lake Superior in 2005. Both of those were after taking a 35 MPH direct from the rear hit by a pick-up while commuting home one June afternoon in 2001. Even if I'm lucky enough to afford a Bob Brown or a Curt Goodrich (just to name two of my local favorites) touring frame in my future, I'll keep my Atlantis. -- = Gordy The Cycling Curmudgeon -- > http://www.ccurmudgeon.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
> Maybe it's time for someone to start up an > enterprise like that again, or at least some sort of collective where > a handful of builders can share a common marketing and office > operation. In the Bay area you have Inglis, Bruce Gordon and Sycip (maybe other) designing and building their own great bikes. Design only you have at least Riv, Swobo, Jitensha, Soma. Maybe there is some way the designers and builders could join up and create a process to build stock lugged steel frames in batches. Or am I getting too much 'We are the world!' here? On Aug 20, 3:31 pm, Bill Connell wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > > I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the > > assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If > > Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it > > needs to begin to develop on shore manufacturing capability. It can > > be done. Bilenkey offers his Delux Touring frameset for $1900, Co- > > Motion offers a high end tig welded frameset for about $1500, and I > > think Waterford is $2200, which is just petty darn close to a Toyo > > price. Why promote MUSA clothing and then abandon MUSA frames? > > > High end mfgs, like Phil Wood, White Industries, and Pauls are able to > > make stuff here. Heck I just bought a lettuce spinner manufactured in > > Switzerland, which last time I was there made the US look like a third > > world country. > > Was the demise of match a factor in Rivendell going to Toyo for > frames? I mean, aside from Waterford, they were the only high-end > production frame house in the US, and it would be a huge headache for > them to build their own network of framebuilders, maintain > consistency, etc. Maybe it's time for someone to start up an > enterprise like that again, or at least some sort of collective where > a handful of builders can share a common marketing and office > operation. Something like thehttp://madisonframebuilders.com/group, > but building to spec. > > -- > Bill Connell > St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > >> Maybe it's time for someone to start up an >> enterprise like that again, or at least some sort of collective where >> a handful of builders can share a common marketing and office >> operation. > > In the Bay area you have Inglis, Bruce Gordon and Sycip (maybe other) > designing and building their own great bikes. Design only you have at > least Riv, Swobo, Jitensha, Soma. Maybe there is some way the > designers and builders could join up and create a process to build > stock lugged steel frames in batches. Or am I getting too much 'We > are the world!' here? That's exactly what i'm thinking of. Mike Flanigan is sort of a one-man version of this, with his own Boston Roadster model, but it seems like there oughta be enough of a market from designers to support a small independent framebuilding production shop. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I hope this is premature. I hope that if production could be moved to Taiwan that Rivendell would continue to call the bike "Atlantis" with the same graphics. It's probably their most consistent and widely known product, with many satisfied riders. All bikes in the Rivendell line are expendable with the exception of the Atlantis. They gotta keep it in production, and I doubt few would mind if that doesn't happen in Japan. -Jim On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:31 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > > (hat off, over the heart, mug raised high) > > Here's to the Atlantis! The first production bicycle of Rivendell > Bicycle > Works. > > http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis > > > - Jim > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Aug 20, 4:35 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > Given all this, I'm inclined to think a $2300 Toyo-built production > frame is just plain overpriced. +1. there's just too many really, really good domestic options at that price point. and if one is willing to support the young talent out there who don't quite have the reputation yet, $2,300 will certainly buy lugs too ;) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
> and if one is willing to support the young talent out there who don't > quite have the reputation yet, $2,300 will certainly buy lugs too ;) There are risks going with young talent. Some are willing to take the risk. Others don't want to spend the time, effort and money only to wind up with an expensive clothes drying rack. Count me among the former. But I respect the thought process of the latter. On Aug 20, 4:14 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Aug 20, 4:35 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > Given all this, I'm inclined to think a $2300 Toyo-built production > > frame is just plain overpriced. > > +1. there's just too many really, really good domestic options at that > price point. > > and if one is willing to support the young talent out there who don't > quite have the reputation yet, $2,300 will certainly buy lugs too ;) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Anyone know who else Toyo is building for? How much of a hit would losing the Atlantis contract be to their business? I agree $2300 for a stock Toyo frame is just too much given all the options out there--seems like Grant knows it too! > From: James Warren > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:57:51 -0700 > To: > Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!? > > > I hope this is premature. I hope that if production could be moved to > Taiwan that Rivendell would continue to call the bike "Atlantis" with > the same graphics. It's probably their most consistent and widely known > product, with many satisfied riders. All bikes in the Rivendell line > are expendable with the exception of the Atlantis. They gotta keep it > in production, and I doubt few would mind if that doesn't happen in > Japan. > > -Jim > > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:31 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > >> >> (hat off, over the heart, mug raised high) >> >> Here's to the Atlantis! The first production bicycle of Rivendell >> Bicycle >> Works. >> >> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis >> >> >> - Jim >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I think just moving the production to Taiwan creates a few issues-- do you charge the same price? Do you charge less? How would your existing customers feel who paid more? Or how many $2000 Taiwanese frames could you sell. I also see issues with having them made in the US. It is tough to be the middleman in a venture like that; everyone still needs to make a profit and that can make prices scary-high very fast. I think the first question is whether or not being made in Japan is an inherent part of the bike being an Atlantis (though I think some were made in WI). If GP feels like it ain't an Atlantis if it is made in Taiwan, then I think it is a good decision to kill it. I think part of the issue is that Toyo has been so closely tied to the Atlantis story-- everything you read about it mentions Toyo (the small frameshop, with only X numbers of builders). Buying an Atlantis seems like you are buying their craft. The Taiwanese frames seem to lack that-- we are not sold the builder as part of the deal. Not much about Maxway (is that their name?) on the Riv site, yet lots of their bikes come from there. I think that there must be a Toyo in Taiwan, and if there isnt, isnt this a great reason to start one? Let us know the Taiwan builders, sell us on THEIR craft, and keep making the Atlantis. Quality is product of care, effort, practice, and attention to detail, not of nationality. Just a thought. Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Mike DeSalvo will build you a custom lugged steel frame for $2k He's been building for ten years now. Not long enough? Mark Nobilette is not a "young talent" and quite capable in this arena a well. Again full custom lugged steel touring bike for around $2k I think it was Mark who built the Legolas. He's in the category of Richard Sachs and Peter Weigle. NAHBS is all about a host of builders who can do this and you get full custom at the same time. Want heavier tubesets? Full custom. There are hosts of options out there. Enjoy! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH, chances are you're bringing way more than you need. On Aug 20, 2:43 pm, Solomander wrote: > I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are > pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could > make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder > what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can > dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get > a LHT frame and fork for what, $500? It seems that GP had anticipated > this, by presenting the 2 new models. Unless I am missing something, > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a > bike model that is capable of loaded touring. > > Joel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
If the Atlantis were made in Taiwan, perhaps its lugs would be plainer and its fork bend would not be as lovely and there might be other things that make it less wonderful than the Toyo Atlantis, and as such, its price would be lower, ya' know, priced like the Hillborne. It would be a great deal and could still have the touring and all/rounder qualities that make the bike the Atlantis, and therefore, it should still carry the legendary name. Sure, people could say, "well, mine is a Japanese Atlantis from 2007", and those would be worth more than 2011 Atlantises, but I wouldn't have a problem with that while riding my 2011 Atlantis across the country. I think it would be great if Rivendell could offer an all-rounder with all the function of the Atlantis, and therefore named the Atlantis, and have it be less expensive. On Aug 20, 2009, at 2:24 PM, cm wrote: > > I think just moving the production to Taiwan creates a few issues-- > do you charge the same price? Do you charge less? How would your > existing customers feel who paid more? Or how many $2000 Taiwanese > frames could you sell. I also see issues with having them made in the > US. It is tough to be the middleman in a venture like that; everyone > still needs to make a profit and that can make prices scary-high very > fast. > I think the first question is whether or not being made in Japan is an > inherent part of the bike being an Atlantis (though I think some were > made in WI). If GP feels like it ain't an Atlantis if it is made in > Taiwan, then I think it is a good decision to kill it. I think part of > the issue is that Toyo has been so closely tied to the Atlantis > story-- everything you read about it mentions Toyo (the small > frameshop, with only X numbers of builders). Buying an Atlantis seems > like you are buying their craft. The Taiwanese frames seem to lack > that-- we are not sold the builder as part of the deal. Not much about > Maxway (is that their name?) on the Riv site, yet lots of their bikes > come from there. I think that there must be a Toyo in Taiwan, and if > there isnt, isnt this a great reason to start one? Let us know the > Taiwan builders, sell us on THEIR craft, and keep making the Atlantis. > Quality is product of care, effort, practice, and attention to > detail, not of nationality. > > Just a thought. > > Cheers! > cm > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Ray, I am still gathering information and have not settled on a particular route. I think that the Krebs maps are maybe the best resource. I am ordering one and will also check with AAA. As things develop I 'll be glad to share with you. Don On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested in > looking it over. > > Ray > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > From: Gary > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM > > Hello Don, > > You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it > tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your > trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just > returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the > Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 > in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. > No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. > But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some > maps. > > Gary > On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > > > > > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this > > group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information > > I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites > > or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK > > but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me > > stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give. > > Cheers, > > Don > > donl...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Why not just call it the Atlantis 3 and make it in Taiwan? As opposed to the current Atlantis 2. Seems a shame to not have any 26 inch wheeled bikes available in the line. And why spend all this time developing a reputation around a name and then just abandon it? Especially when it's the least cutesy riv name! (couldn't resist.) On Aug 20, 6:47 pm, James Warren wrote: > If the Atlantis were made in Taiwan, perhaps its lugs would be plainer > and its fork bend would not be as lovely and there might be other > things that make it less wonderful than the Toyo Atlantis, and as such, > its price would be lower, ya' know, priced like the Hillborne. It would > be a great deal and could still have the touring and all/rounder > qualities that make the bike the Atlantis, and therefore, it should > still carry the legendary name. > > Sure, people could say, "well, mine is a Japanese Atlantis from 2007", > and those would be worth more than 2011 Atlantises, but I wouldn't have > a problem with that while riding my 2011 Atlantis across the country. > > I think it would be great if Rivendell could offer an all-rounder with > all the function of the Atlantis, and therefore named the Atlantis, and > have it be less expensive. > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 2:24 PM, cm wrote: > > > > > > > I think just moving the production to Taiwan creates a few issues-- > > do you charge the same price? Do you charge less? How would your > > existing customers feel who paid more? Or how many $2000 Taiwanese > > frames could you sell. I also see issues with having them made in the > > US. It is tough to be the middleman in a venture like that; everyone > > still needs to make a profit and that can make prices scary-high very > > fast. > > I think the first question is whether or not being made in Japan is an > > inherent part of the bike being an Atlantis (though I think some were > > made in WI). If GP feels like it ain't an Atlantis if it is made in > > Taiwan, then I think it is a good decision to kill it. I think part of > > the issue is that Toyo has been so closely tied to the Atlantis > > story-- everything you read about it mentions Toyo (the small > > frameshop, with only X numbers of builders). Buying an Atlantis seems > > like you are buying their craft. The Taiwanese frames seem to lack > > that-- we are not sold the builder as part of the deal. Not much about > > Maxway (is that their name?) on the Riv site, yet lots of their bikes > > come from there. I think that there must be a Toyo in Taiwan, and if > > there isnt, isnt this a great reason to start one? Let us know the > > Taiwan builders, sell us on THEIR craft, and keep making the Atlantis. > > Quality is product of care, effort, practice, and attention to > > detail, not of nationality. > > > Just a thought. > > > Cheers! > > cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:06 PM, JGS wrote: > > And why spend all this time > developing a reputation around a name and then just abandon it? Exactly! Also, "Atlantis 3" is a very good idea. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Given the current trend in Riv names, wouldn't we have to re-baptize it something along the lines of the: Boyd Q. Packer Or maybe the Hill-n'-Dale-eo > From: James Warren > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:10:15 -0700 > To: > Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!? > > > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:06 PM, JGS wrote: > >> >> And why spend all this time >> developing a reputation around a name and then just abandon it? > > > Exactly! > > Also, "Atlantis 3" is a very good idea. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
What's interesting is that Waterford builds single-speed frames for Ben's Cycles in Milwaukee, and they're like $500 (with fork). Granted you can't get much customization, and they're TIG'ed, and I'm sure they don't get the same loving attention that an officially Waterford frame does, but still - it's gotta be possible to knock out a standard frame in the US for a competitive price. Economies of scale only explain so much... -Dan On Aug 20, 4:35 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:09 -0700, MichaelH wrote: > > I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the > > assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If > > Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it > > needs to begin to develop on shore manufacturing capability. It can > > be done. Bilenkey offers his Delux Touring frameset for $1900, Co- > > Motion offers a high end tig welded frameset for about $1500, and I > > think Waterford is $2200, which is just petty darn close to a Toyo > > price. Why promote MUSA clothing and then abandon MUSA frames? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Hi Ray & Don, Here is the route at mapmyride. http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/sierra-mountains/317186114301 I did the route in reverse from what I originally planned and stopped in Sequoia NP. I almost was unable to go due to time availability so I did the route in reverse and had to cut it short. Still it was absolutely breathtaking. I only camped 6 days in campgrounds and the rest in the national forests offroad. One thing about dirt roads and loaded touring bikes, its a tradeoff between tire width and stability. As long as I stayed on decent dirt it was great, but the sand can make you create a whole new language. I saw a mountain Lion, first time ever! 4 bears, usual deer, golden eagle and a weasel of all things. I reported the mtn. lion when I came into the park. Lots of climbing, amazing views. Don, the mapping program works great for getting your mileage down and the route. For my tours I also use USGS topo maps and compass since I explore as much as possible off road when in the forest. I dumped the GPS two years ago due to charging unavailabilty. For your tour it sounds as if you will be near people and infrastructure so a good gps may be an asset for finding places just always verify by map. Gary On Aug 20, 11:11 am, Ray Shine wrote: > Sorry -- it was Gary's route i am interested in looking over, not Don's (yet). > > Ray > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Don wrote: > > From: Don > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:09 AM > > Wow, > I just want to say how helpful all of the responses have been thus > far. Each response has has some real practical information.This is one > heck of a group for offering help to one another. Thank you all so > very much. > Cheers, > Don > > On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > > Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested > > in looking it over. > > > Ray > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > > From: Gary > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM > > > Hello Don, > > > You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it > > tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your > > trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just > > returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the > > Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 > > in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. > > No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. > > But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some > > maps. > > > Gary > > On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > > > > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > > > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > > > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > > > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > > > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > > > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > > > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > > > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > > > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > > > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > > > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > > > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this > > > group I just figured I would lay it out there and see what information > > > I might be able to gather. I am sure that there are various websites > > > or other resources I could be directed to. I am not sure if this is OK > > > but I will give you my email address so that if any want to send me > > > stuff they can. Thanks in advance for any help you might give. > > > Cheers, > > > Don > > > donl...@bellsouth.net- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
on 8/20/09 2:28 PM, Dustin Sharp at dsh...@runbox.com wrote: > Anyone know who else Toyo is building for? How much of a hit would losing > the Atlantis contract be to their business? As an infrequent reader of the Toyo blog translation, I'd come to the opinion that they have begun gaining significant noteriety for their own brand - in all sorts of disciplines (e.g. keirin, bmx). If anything, I'd bet it's been more difficult to get runs through the system in a timely manner. If you read back in the Readers and such, it does seem like the runs of Atlantii, Hilsens, Rambouillets, etc always had to fit into their schedule of production. On two other themes in this thread, I gotta say "Whoa there!" - - Atlantii _are_ available now, so yeah, it makes sense to buy one if you want one. They aren't gone yet. It was probably just my frame of mind this week, but it seemed like a hint of panic was developing in successive posts. - As long as Grant has to sign off on a Rivendell bicycle model, I would expect there to be a strong attention to detail. So, if they need to be built in Taiwan or other locations, I would expect that the builder they choose will be the best available. In the case of the Hillborne/Foy/Gomez, it's meant a stellar design and quality fabrication for $1K. Two or three years ago, there was a thread-that-wouldn't-die on the ibob list lamenting that Rivendell didn't have a bike in that price range. Further, there couldn't be a better model to "shop" around to different manufacturers. They have about 10 years of sales figures, production figures, etc, and should be able to forecast (to the extent that _anyone_ can right now) reasonable demand. So, if they go to Waterford or Maxway or whoever, it's with pretty good numbers. Toyo blog (translated via google) http://tinyurl.com/toyoblog-translated - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirt - Now available http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
> What's interesting is that Waterford builds single-speed frames for > Ben's Cycles in Milwaukee, and they're like $500 (with fork). Good tubes are expensive, lugs are expensive, Silver is expensive (brass not so much), and paying someone with the skill to stick it all together is expensive. A builder told me that most high end frames have more invested in parts than most other frames cost retail. The Milwaukee's are tig'ed and the fork is not US made (originally was a surly, but now IRO?) and the tubing isnt the top shelf stuff. Look at Gunnar, those are nice frames for nice prices. I think the failure of Match, the failure of so many US builders in the last few years, and the ever-increasing quality of the stuff coming out of Asia creates huge obstacles for a non-custom, non-asian bike. Look at Trek, they moved the 520 overseas, and they have the $$$ that they could have kept it here on principal and taken the hit. I dont blame'em, woulda done the same thing. I think moving Atlantis production to the US would be a very short term solution (even if it were possible)-- and a few years (months?) they would be back in the same situation. The Atlantis was under $1000 when it was introduced and has more than doubled in price. Keep in mind that things were not-so-good in Japan in the 1990's and that led to a good exchange rate-- now things are not-so-good everywhere. I vote for keeping the Atlantis, even if it means $2300 and they sell 1/10 the number of them, or keeping it like the Legolas and doing batches of'em every so often., or finding an acceptable builder in Taiwan. Like others have said, too much time has been spent creating a good product with a good name to just kill it. Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: OT: 2010 Specialized Allez Steel
Not unlike http://www.fujibikes.com/LifeStyle/ClassicSeries/Absolute10.aspx On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM, James Warren wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> >> >> This curious specimen surfaced on a cycling forum, with the following >> details at a supposed MSRP of $610: >> >> >> FRAME Specialized Allez steel, integrated HS Tig welded >> FORK Allez Steel >> HEADSET Aheadset 1", cage bearings, integrated >> STEM Specialized Elite-Set, 3D forged alloy, 4-position adjustable, >> 4-bolt 31.8mm clamp >> HANDLEBARS Specialized Elite, 6061 aluminum, short drop, 31.8mm >> TAPE Specialized S-Wrap, cork ribbon w/ gel >> FRONT BRAKE Light dual pivot brake, Teflon pivots, forged alloy, w/ >> standard pads >> REAR BRAKE Light dual pivot brake, Teflon pivots, forged alloy, w/ >> standard pads >> BRAKE LEVERS Lever pull >> FRONT DERAILLEUR Shimano 2300 >> REAR DERAILLEUR Shimano 2300 >> SHIFT LEVERS Shimano SLR400, down tube shifter >> CASSETTE Shimano HG-50, 8-speed, 12-25t >> CHAIN KMC Z-51 >> CRANKSET Shimano 2300 >> CHAINRINGS 52 x 39T >> BOTTOM BRACKET Cr-Mo axle, 68mm x 113mm >> PEDALS Silver cage/black body, w/ black toe clips and strap >> FRONT WHEEL >> REAR WHEEL >> RIMS Alex S500, aluminum, sleeve joint, CNC machined sidewalls >> FRONT HUB Forged aluminum, sealed, QR, 32h >> REAR HUB Forged aluminum, double-sealed, cassette, QR, 32h >> SPOKES Stainless 14g >> FRONT TIRE Specialized Mondo Sport, 700x23c, wire bead, 60TPI, w/ Flak >> Jacket protection >> REAR TIRE Specialized Mondo Sport, 700x23c, wire bead, 60TPI, w/ Flak >> Jacket protection >> INNER TUBES Standard presta valve >> SADDLE Body Geometry Rival road, w/ steel rails >> SEATPOST Alloy, two-bolt clamp, 27.2mm >> SEAT BINDER Integrated w/ frame >> >> Seems age and trend-defying to seem a bike like this from a major >> company with downtube shifters. Things are coming full circle i >> guess. >> >> -- >> Andy Forquer >> 949.310.4230 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I agree. If the bike is spec'd the same and probably painted the same why not just add the version number. This goes for the QB as well and any other bike they sell. These are Riv designed bikes not Toyo so the name can go with the bike. Now if there is a substantial change in design of the bike then the name should change. Larry Powers "just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip" - John Hiatt > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:06:47 -0700 > Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!? > From: jonat...@jonfipro.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > Why not just call it the Atlantis 3 and make it in Taiwan? As opposed > to the current Atlantis 2. Seems a shame to not have any 26 inch > wheeled bikes available in the line. And why spend all this time > developing a reputation around a name and then just abandon it? > Especially when it's the least cutesy riv name! (couldn't resist.) > > On Aug 20, 6:47 pm, James Warren wrote: > > If the Atlantis were made in Taiwan, perhaps its lugs would be plainer > > and its fork bend would not be as lovely and there might be other > > things that make it less wonderful than the Toyo Atlantis, and as such, > > its price would be lower, ya' know, priced like the Hillborne. It would > > be a great deal and could still have the touring and all/rounder > > qualities that make the bike the Atlantis, and therefore, it should > > still carry the legendary name. > > > > Sure, people could say, "well, mine is a Japanese Atlantis from 2007", > > and those would be worth more than 2011 Atlantises, but I wouldn't have > > a problem with that while riding my 2011 Atlantis across the country. > > > > I think it would be great if Rivendell could offer an all-rounder with > > all the function of the Atlantis, and therefore named the Atlantis, and > > have it be less expensive. > > > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 2:24 PM, cm wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think just moving the production to Taiwan creates a few issues-- > > > do you charge the same price? Do you charge less? How would your > > > existing customers feel who paid more? Or how many $2000 Taiwanese > > > frames could you sell. I also see issues with having them made in the > > > US. It is tough to be the middleman in a venture like that; everyone > > > still needs to make a profit and that can make prices scary-high very > > > fast. > > > I think the first question is whether or not being made in Japan is an > > > inherent part of the bike being an Atlantis (though I think some were > > > made in WI). If GP feels like it ain't an Atlantis if it is made in > > > Taiwan, then I think it is a good decision to kill it. I think part of > > > the issue is that Toyo has been so closely tied to the Atlantis > > > story-- everything you read about it mentions Toyo (the small > > > frameshop, with only X numbers of builders). Buying an Atlantis seems > > > like you are buying their craft. The Taiwanese frames seem to lack > > > that-- we are not sold the builder as part of the deal. Not much about > > > Maxway (is that their name?) on the Riv site, yet lots of their bikes > > > come from there. I think that there must be a Toyo in Taiwan, and if > > > there isnt, isnt this a great reason to start one? Let us know the > > > Taiwan builders, sell us on THEIR craft, and keep making the Atlantis. > > > Quality is product of care, effort, practice, and attention to > > > detail, not of nationality. > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > Cheers! > > > cm > > _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: OT: 2010 Specialized Allez Steel
OMFG. now isn't that an enlightened retro offering from a giant bike conglomerate? gimme some bar end shifters and some plump tires and you gotta bike. some interesting geometry and the 58 comes with a 19 cm headtube, quill to get the bars where they need to be. cool. On Aug 20, 4:54 pm, Gino Zahnd wrote: > Not unlikehttp://www.fujibikes.com/LifeStyle/ClassicSeries/Absolute10.aspx > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM, James Warren wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > >> This curious specimen surfaced on a cycling forum, with the following > >> details at a supposed MSRP of $610: > > >> FRAME Specialized Allez steel, integrated HS Tig welded > >> FORK Allez Steel > >> HEADSET Aheadset 1", cage bearings, integrated > >> STEM Specialized Elite-Set, 3D forged alloy, 4-position adjustable, > >> 4-bolt 31.8mm clamp > >> HANDLEBARS Specialized Elite, 6061 aluminum, short drop, 31.8mm > >> TAPE Specialized S-Wrap, cork ribbon w/ gel > >> FRONT BRAKE Light dual pivot brake, Teflon pivots, forged alloy, w/ > >> standard pads > >> REAR BRAKE Light dual pivot brake, Teflon pivots, forged alloy, w/ > >> standard pads > >> BRAKE LEVERS Lever pull > >> FRONT DERAILLEUR Shimano 2300 > >> REAR DERAILLEUR Shimano 2300 > >> SHIFT LEVERS Shimano SLR400, down tube shifter > >> CASSETTE Shimano HG-50, 8-speed, 12-25t > >> CHAIN KMC Z-51 > >> CRANKSET Shimano 2300 > >> CHAINRINGS 52 x 39T > >> BOTTOM BRACKET Cr-Mo axle, 68mm x 113mm > >> PEDALS Silver cage/black body, w/ black toe clips and strap > >> FRONT WHEEL > >> REAR WHEEL > >> RIMS Alex S500, aluminum, sleeve joint, CNC machined sidewalls > >> FRONT HUB Forged aluminum, sealed, QR, 32h > >> REAR HUB Forged aluminum, double-sealed, cassette, QR, 32h > >> SPOKES Stainless 14g > >> FRONT TIRE Specialized Mondo Sport, 700x23c, wire bead, 60TPI, w/ Flak > >> Jacket protection > >> REAR TIRE Specialized Mondo Sport, 700x23c, wire bead, 60TPI, w/ Flak > >> Jacket protection > >> INNER TUBES Standard presta valve > >> SADDLE Body Geometry Rival road, w/ steel rails > >> SEATPOST Alloy, two-bolt clamp, 27.2mm > >> SEAT BINDER Integrated w/ frame > > >> Seems age and trend-defying to seem a bike like this from a major > >> company with downtube shifters. Things are coming full circle i > >> guess. > > >> -- > >> Andy Forquer > >> 949.310.4230- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded > touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH, > chances are you're bringing way more than you need. > > > How much can the Hillborne carry? I carry around 55 pounds of stuff when I tour on my Atlantis, and I need and use every single thing I carry. Some people like camping and cooking on tour, and that requires carrying quite a bit of stuff. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I think this is a great opportunity for MUSA frames! I know just the place to locate the factory. There is a great history of manufacturing with plenty of inexpensive places to locate. The cost of living is the one of lowest in the country. The ground does not shake, it does not burn, it does not slide, but it does freeze for a few months in the winter, but with global warming it's getting better. There is more fresh water than you can imagine. There lot's of roads that aren't very busy. A great cycling community with even a velodrome nearby. They even have a yearly Green Cruise to celebrate cycling as a form of transit. Yes! Yes! Yes! Rivendell should start there frame factory in Detroit! Tom Dusky --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Jim, I'll +1 your comment. That weird upward-sloping-top-tube Hillborne is the nicest frame I've ever tour-pedaled. Wonderful bike. I still think it's ugly. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded > touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH, > chances are you're bringing way more than you need. > > On Aug 20, 2:43 pm, Solomander wrote: > > I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are > > pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could > > make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder > > what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can > > dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get > > a LHT frame and fork for what, $500? It seems that GP had anticipated > > this, by presenting the 2 new models. Unless I am missing something, > > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a > > bike model that is capable of loaded touring. > > > > Joel > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Gary -- Thanks for the link. I have backpacked extensively through that region over the past three decades. I have seen many, many bears in that time, but only one mountain lion - and it scared the heck out of me! It was in Kings Canyon about three years ago, quite near upper Crabtree Meadow which is the approach to Whitney Pass on the John Muir Trail at about 10K feet. I was solo and just two days out from completing the JMT. It was evening, and I rounded a bend following the creek and there was the lion finishing off the fresh kill of a yearling deer. Very alarming, as the lion did not see or hear me approach due to the noise of the cascading creek. My first thought was that it would attack, fearing I was going to move in on it's kill. It didn't. It just drug the dear off across the meadow and I got out of there as fast as possible. I, too, told the back-country ranger about it, but he wasn't concerned. You know, nature, that thing. Anyway, back to the real world - I am curious how you found the going through Yosemite on 120 since it has virtually no shoulder whatsoever. Was it dangerous in the traffic? Ray --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: From: Gary Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 3:38 PM Hi Ray & Don, Here is the route at mapmyride. http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/sierra-mountains/317186114301 I did the route in reverse from what I originally planned and stopped in Sequoia NP. I almost was unable to go due to time availability so I did the route in reverse and had to cut it short. Still it was absolutely breathtaking. I only camped 6 days in campgrounds and the rest in the national forests offroad. One thing about dirt roads and loaded touring bikes, its a tradeoff between tire width and stability. As long as I stayed on decent dirt it was great, but the sand can make you create a whole new language. I saw a mountain Lion, first time ever! 4 bears, usual deer, golden eagle and a weasel of all things. I reported the mtn. lion when I came into the park. Lots of climbing, amazing views. Don, the mapping program works great for getting your mileage down and the route. For my tours I also use USGS topo maps and compass since I explore as much as possible off road when in the forest. I dumped the GPS two years ago due to charging unavailabilty. For your tour it sounds as if you will be near people and infrastructure so a good gps may be an asset for finding places just always verify by map. Gary On Aug 20, 11:11 am, Ray Shine wrote: > Sorry -- it was Gary's route i am interested in looking over, not Don's (yet). > > Ray > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Don wrote: > > From: Don > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:09 AM > > Wow, > I just want to say how helpful all of the responses have been thus > far. Each response has has some real practical information.This is one > heck of a group for offering help to one another. Thank you all so > very much. > Cheers, > Don > > On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > > Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested > > in looking it over. > > > Ray > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > > From: Gary > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM > > > Hello Don, > > > You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it > > tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your > > trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just > > returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the > > Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 > > in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. > > No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. > > But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some > > maps. > > > Gary > > On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > > > > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > > > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > > > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > > > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > > > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > > > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > > > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > > > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that would > > > take in the wine country and surrounding area. I don't really want to > > > book a guided tour with rented bikes etc. Now maybe to start that is > > > absolutely the best way to go. But all of the ones I have seen are > > > very pricey and extremely structured to the group. Being new to this >
[RBW] Re: OT: 2010 Specialized Allez Steel
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/clothing?a=1&page=3#product=22-584 "Rivendell Still lugged steel. Vindication will come. Just you wait." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Phil! How are you? Sorry I haven't made it out for any rides since what was it, May? I really have had good intentions, just lack inertia or something... Are you guys still riding? If yes, when are you starting and where would be my best place to catch you? So you like the HIllborne, huh? I think it is less that stellar looking with the bars jacked up to your chin, but that goes for all the other RBW designs as well... This thread sort of amuses me, as there are tons of builders who will do fillet or lugs for less than $2K for just a frame and fork. As we know, you take a bit of a chance with any "custom", but still, they are made just for you. Doug On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Phil Roberts wrote: > Jim, I'll +1 your comment. That weird upward-sloping-top-tube Hillborne is > the nicest frame I've ever tour-pedaled. Wonderful bike. I still think it's > ugly. > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < > thill@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded >> touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH, >> chances are you're bringing way more than you need. >> >> On Aug 20, 2:43 pm, Solomander wrote: >> > I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are >> > pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could >> > make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder >> > what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can >> > dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get >> > a LHT frame and fork for what, $500? It seems that GP had anticipated >> > this, by presenting the 2 new models. Unless I am missing something, >> > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a >> > bike model that is capable of loaded touring. >> > >> > Joel >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Oops folks, that was intended for Phil. I hope that wasn't too offensive to anyone. My intent was not to say anything about pricing since this is the RBW list, after all. Red faced, Doug On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Doug Van Cleve wrote: > Phil! > > How are you? Sorry I haven't made it out for any rides since what was it, > May? I really have had good intentions, just lack inertia or something... > Are you guys still riding? If yes, when are you starting and where would be > my best place to catch you? > > So you like the HIllborne, huh? I think it is less that stellar looking > with the bars jacked up to your chin, but that goes for all the other RBW > designs as well... This thread sort of amuses me, as there are tons of > builders who will do fillet or lugs for less than $2K for just a frame and > fork. As we know, you take a bit of a chance with any "custom", but still, > they are made just for you. > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Phil Roberts wrote: > >> Jim, I'll +1 your comment. That weird upward-sloping-top-tube Hillborne is >> the nicest frame I've ever tour-pedaled. Wonderful bike. I still think it's >> ugly. >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < >> thill@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded >>> touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH, >>> chances are you're bringing way more than you need. >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2:43 pm, Solomander wrote: >>> > I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are >>> > pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could >>> > make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder >>> > what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can >>> > dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get >>> > a LHT frame and fork for what, $500? It seems that GP had anticipated >>> > this, by presenting the 2 new models. Unless I am missing something, >>> > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a >>> > bike model that is capable of loaded touring. >>> > >>> > Joel >>> >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Yeah! That's a good idea. Maybe get a cash-for-clunkers thing going too! Like $500 for any Chinese, Vietnamese, or Taiwanese frame turned in for a new MUSA frame. (Incidentally, I've always liked following the Tigers. One of the great old-time teams.) --- On Thu, 8/20/09, tdusky wrote: From: tdusky Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!? To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 6:44 PM I think this is a great opportunity for MUSA frames! I know just the place to locate the factory. There is a great history of manufacturing with plenty of inexpensive places to locate. The cost of living is the one of lowest in the country. The ground does not shake, it does not burn, it does not slide, but it does freeze for a few months in the winter, but with global warming it's getting better. There is more fresh water than you can imagine. There lot's of roads that aren't very busy. A great cycling community with even a velodrome nearby. They even have a yearly Green Cruise to celebrate cycling as a form of transit. Yes! Yes! Yes! Rivendell should start there frame factory in Detroit! Tom Dusky --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
And they play in all steel constructed Comerica Park, too. From: Ray Shine I've always liked following the Tigers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: OT: 2010 Specialized Allez Steel
Amen. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Horace wrote: > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/clothing?a=1&page=3#product=22-584 > > "Rivendell > Still lugged steel. > Vindication will come. > Just you wait." > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
i'm thinking it will be relatively easy to go taiwanese for the next "atlantis." grant obviously is a man of loyalty to those who do great work. if the toyo relationship is ending, i expect grant will attempt to align more with maxway or whoever does the quality work upon which his reputation is built. to my eye, my bleriot is realy well done. quite frankly, i don't remember who built it. the sams are gorgeous too. so i'd expect something similar to atlantis will live again. probably already more than a sparkle in grant's eye as we comment on the topic. those guys at riv must work hard to keep us interested in this way of bike lifestyle. hats off to them all. On Aug 20, 11:48 am, cm wrote: > New post on the RIv site. > > http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 > > Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames. > > "I'm going to get another Atlantis (I've been riding the first > prototype for 11 years now, and rode it home last night and up in the > hills the night before, and will ride it home and in the hills after > work tonite, and it's my main camping bike, and so on). But I will get > another one before they go away." > > I hate to see it go away (not even "to sleep" this time). Cant W'ford > build'em? > > Cheers! > cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
FWIW, I will have a small tool bag in back and a Berthoud handlebar bag in front. Probably 3lbs of gear plus my fat ass... I am carrying a camera, phone, wallet, and any 'fall' gear that gets stripped off in the afternoon. Probably not more than 3 lbs total. On Aug 18, 5:11 pm, Dave Craig wrote: > I hope it's ok if I weigh in here, I just bought a Quickbeam and I'm > interested in this discussion. > > In touring, I've found the low end to be the limitation and the > dividing line between pain and pleasure. So much depends on your > fitness, the terrain and the weight you will be carrying as well as > your tolerance for walking instead of riding. If it was me (and it > will be soon) I would pack my proposed gear, load up the bike and then > try riding for the day in similar terrain. I'd then gear the bike > based on the results of my "experiment." > > Looks to me like you are already geared pretty low with the 32/22. The > stock cranks will accommodate rings down to a 34/24 and you have a > total of about 8t in dropout adjustability to work with. So, the > widest/lowest range you could get would be 34/26 with a 22t in back - > that's about 42 and 32 gear inches. As a point of comparison, for my > loaded touring on a geared bike, I shoot for a low of around 20" for > long days with lots of hills although I find that I deal with most of > the hills with gearing in the 30's (again, with a full touring load). > It seems like you could certainly gear low enough to do the job while > protecting your knees, as long as you pack light. Pack really light > and you could gear higher so that you are not a spinning fool on the > flats! > > I hope that's helpful. I'm looking forward to hearing about your tour. > > Dave > > On Aug 18, 12:24 pm, johnb wrote: > > > > > Thoughts on gearing? I have a 20 and 22-tooth freewheel in back; > > standard set-up in front. > > > On Aug 17, 10:53 am, Bill Connell wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:23 PM, johnb wrote: > > > > > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head. > > > > Nah, no rocks. Local rider Ken Yokanovich raced the TransIowa on his > > > fixed Quickbeam (350 miles, 1/2 or more gravel). Load and gear right > > > for the terrain and you'll be fine. > > > > -- > > > Bill Connell > > > St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
I did the ride last year on my Rambouillet and it was fine. I was thinking about getting a 18t or 16t and have the REI boys swap it out once we are out of the mountains on day 2 (assuming it is like last year where the first day started hilly and then was rolling and day 2 was all rolling). I am going to take it on a 40-50 mile ride this weekend and see how it goes. On Aug 19, 9:19 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > This is an interesting thread. I just today took my Quickbeam in for a > re-gearing prior to a ride I am planning in mountainous country. I requested > that she be rigged up in a manner similar to the combination suggested by > Dave Craig. > > Box Dog Bikes in San Francisco is going to do the job. I had to make an > appointment two weeks out because parts needed to be ordered, but once I get > the bike there and back, I'll report again. > > I currently have the stock chain wheels up front, and run a White Industries > 18/16 duo freewheel on the rear, with a White Ind. 20 free on the flip side. > This combination has suited my riding style very well over the last few > years, and I rarely flip into the 20 tooth, and almost as rarely hang the > chain over the rear 16. I'd say that 80% of my QB riding here and in Marin > and the peninsula is done in the 40x18. > > For the trip I have planned I know that I will need lower gears, so I ordered > a 34/26 set for chain rings, and am switching out the White Industries 20 > tooth for a 22, which is the part on order. I am going lightly loaded with > rear panniers only, MKS touring pedals and PowerGrip straps attached thereto, > no fenders, and a set of new Jack Brown blue labels. > > I'm looking forward to the trip. I know how much climbing I will have in > Nevada, and likewise know how slow I'll be on the straight and levels, such > as they are. Anyway, I was originally planning on riding this trip on my > Romulus, but decided to try it on the QB instead. I just hope the weather > holds. I'll keep everyone posted… > > Ray > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > From: PATRICK MOORE > Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 5:43 PM > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM, johnb wrote: > > Thoughts on gearing? I have a 20 and 22-tooth freewheel in back; > > standard set-up in front. > > On Aug 17, 10:53 am, Bill Connell wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:23 PM, johnb wrote: > > > > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head. > > Do let us know how it goes, and what your gearing was, and how it worked. I > ride all fixed all the time (except off road where it is ss) but mostly > shortish urban and suburban routes. I've toyed with the idea of longer and > loaded rides fixed, and I've thought that, if I undertook such a ride, I'd > want a double ring and double cog setup, so that I could get, say, a 67 or 70 > " cruising gear from, say, a 44X18 or 17, and have a bailout gear from a > 38X24 or 43" or 36X23 or 42" gear. > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Aug 20, 3:47 pm, James Warren wrote: > If the Atlantis were made in Taiwan, perhaps its lugs would be plainer... Why would the lugs have to change? IIRC all of Riv's lugs have been their own unique designs, and they're already cast in Taiwan. The value of a Riv-designed bike is in the design, not so much the metal. As many have pointed out, there are lots of folks out there who can build you a bike. the question is always, will they get the details right that Grant gets right? A custom bike, even one from a fine builder, is a one-off, and may or may not be exactly what the rider envisioned. The Riv bikes are at least a known quantity. If one of Grant's design is what you want, there's only one place to get one. I don't see that it matters whether they're built in Japan or Taiwan. Though I'd rather be able to buy a MUSA Riv to support the home team. I wonder how full Waterford's build list is these days? Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of England on mine, go for it! http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/ On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, johnb wrote: > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
FYI my gearing was 40/32 upfront with a 16/18 White industries freewheel on one side and a 22t freewheel on the other side. I used 40x16 90% of the time and changed down to 32x22 for the slog up onto the North Yorkshire Moors. On Aug 21, 12:03 am, usuk2007 wrote: > The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of > England on mine, go for it! > > http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/ > > On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, johnb wrote: > > > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
Curious what pedal/shoe combo you used on this tour. Thanks. Ray --- On Thu, 8/20/09, usuk2007 wrote: From: usuk2007 Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:03 PM The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of England on mine, go for it! http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/ On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, johnb wrote: > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Hi Ray, Ditto with my mtn. lion report. The Ranger didn't say much except how lucky I was to see one. As far as riding narrow mtn roads in and around the forest and parks, I'm comfortable with it. I have taken the Road 1 safety classes offerred by the League and the lessons learned from the program have no doubt saved my skin. Without proper lane positioning it could be dangerous. But by riding clearly in the way on one lane roads, moving over slightly only after the cars are changing lanes, Staying in the lane and using marked turnouts, its safer for everyone involved including the motorists. I'm clearly visible earlier to the motorist, and always making it known to overtaking cars that I am in the lane (for the duration) with eye contact and pointing arm gestures for them to change lanes to pass and a wave. It's just my opinion but I believe everyone who rides in traffic should be properly trained for their own sake and the safety of others. The course didn't take much time and the Road 1 course is the one that was reccomended to me by a CHP here in San Diego County. John Forrester has a great program as well. So yes it was completely safe and really amazing. About that mtn. lion, I was decending at about 30mph and it just popped out on the road right in front of me about 50 yds ahead. I was stunned so all i could think of was to ring my bell. Sounds silly now but the cat turned looked straight at me and darted right back in the forest. I'm sure he didn't hear me until the bell. Gary On Aug 20, 6:51 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Gary -- Thanks for the link. I have backpacked extensively through that > region over the past three decades. I have seen many, many bears in that > time, but only one mountain lion - and it scared the heck out of me! It was > in Kings Canyon about three years ago, quite near upper Crabtree Meadow which > is the approach to Whitney Pass on the John Muir Trail at about 10K feet. I > was solo and just two days out from completing the JMT. It was evening, and > I rounded a bend following the creek and there was the lion finishing off the > fresh kill of a yearling deer. Very alarming, as the lion did not see or > hear me approach due to the noise of the cascading creek. My first thought > was that it would attack, fearing I was going to move in on it's kill. It > didn't. It just drug the dear off across the meadow and I got out of there > as fast as possible. I, too, told the back-country ranger about it, but he > wasn't concerned. You know, nature, that > thing. > > Anyway, back to the real world - I am curious how you found the going > through Yosemite on 120 since it has virtually no shoulder whatsoever. Was it > dangerous in the traffic? > > Ray > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > From: Gary > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 3:38 PM > > Hi Ray & Don, > > Here is the route at > mapmyride.http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/sierra-mountains/31718... > I did the route in reverse from what I originally planned and stopped > in Sequoia NP. I almost was unable to go due to time availability so I > did the route in reverse and had to cut it short. Still it was > absolutely breathtaking. I only camped 6 days in campgrounds and the > rest in the national forests offroad. One thing about dirt roads and > loaded touring bikes, its a tradeoff between tire width and stability. > As long as I stayed on decent dirt it was great, but the sand can make > you create a whole new language. I saw a mountain Lion, first time > ever! 4 bears, usual deer, golden eagle and a weasel of all things. I > reported the mtn. lion when I came into the park. Lots of climbing, > amazing views. > > Don, the mapping program works great for getting your mileage down and > the route. For my tours I also use USGS topo maps and compass since I > explore as much as possible off road when in the forest. I dumped the > GPS two years ago due to charging unavailabilty. For your tour it > sounds as if you will be near people and infrastructure so a good gps > may be an asset for finding places just always verify by map. > > Gary > > On Aug 20, 11:11 am, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > > Sorry -- it was Gary's route i am interested in looking over, not Don's > > (yet). > > > Ray > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Don wrote: > > > From: Don > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:09 AM > > > Wow, > > I just want to say how helpful all of the responses have been thus > > far. Each response has has some real practical information.This is one > > heck of a group for offering help to one another. Thank you all so > > very much. > > Cheers, > > Don > > > On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested > > > in looking it over. > > > > Ray > > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote
[RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
Oh yeah, I saw the lion coming out of White Wolf before Yosemite Institute. Gary On Aug 20, 6:51 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Gary -- Thanks for the link. I have backpacked extensively through that > region over the past three decades. I have seen many, many bears in that > time, but only one mountain lion - and it scared the heck out of me! It was > in Kings Canyon about three years ago, quite near upper Crabtree Meadow which > is the approach to Whitney Pass on the John Muir Trail at about 10K feet. I > was solo and just two days out from completing the JMT. It was evening, and > I rounded a bend following the creek and there was the lion finishing off the > fresh kill of a yearling deer. Very alarming, as the lion did not see or > hear me approach due to the noise of the cascading creek. My first thought > was that it would attack, fearing I was going to move in on it's kill. It > didn't. It just drug the dear off across the meadow and I got out of there > as fast as possible. I, too, told the back-country ranger about it, but he > wasn't concerned. You know, nature, that > thing. > > Anyway, back to the real world - I am curious how you found the going > through Yosemite on 120 since it has virtually no shoulder whatsoever. Was it > dangerous in the traffic? > > Ray > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > From: Gary > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 3:38 PM > > Hi Ray & Don, > > Here is the route at > mapmyride.http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/sierra-mountains/31718... > I did the route in reverse from what I originally planned and stopped > in Sequoia NP. I almost was unable to go due to time availability so I > did the route in reverse and had to cut it short. Still it was > absolutely breathtaking. I only camped 6 days in campgrounds and the > rest in the national forests offroad. One thing about dirt roads and > loaded touring bikes, its a tradeoff between tire width and stability. > As long as I stayed on decent dirt it was great, but the sand can make > you create a whole new language. I saw a mountain Lion, first time > ever! 4 bears, usual deer, golden eagle and a weasel of all things. I > reported the mtn. lion when I came into the park. Lots of climbing, > amazing views. > > Don, the mapping program works great for getting your mileage down and > the route. For my tours I also use USGS topo maps and compass since I > explore as much as possible off road when in the forest. I dumped the > GPS two years ago due to charging unavailabilty. For your tour it > sounds as if you will be near people and infrastructure so a good gps > may be an asset for finding places just always verify by map. > > Gary > > On Aug 20, 11:11 am, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > > Sorry -- it was Gary's route i am interested in looking over, not Don's > > (yet). > > > Ray > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Don wrote: > > > From: Don > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:09 AM > > > Wow, > > I just want to say how helpful all of the responses have been thus > > far. Each response has has some real practical information.This is one > > heck of a group for offering help to one another. Thank you all so > > very much. > > Cheers, > > Don > > > On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested > > > in looking it over. > > > > Ray > > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote: > > > > From: Gary > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond > > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" > > > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM > > > > Hello Don, > > > > You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it > > > tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your > > > trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just > > > returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the > > > Sierras through Yosemite, Kings and Sequoia NP's starting on the 395 > > > in Mammoth. I just used Map My Ride for the route and it was amazing. > > > No real need to follow bike routes if you are up for some adventure. > > > But if you are going to follow a route, try Adventure Cycling for some > > > maps. > > > > Gary > > > On Aug 19, 5:17 pm, Don wrote: > > > > > I am not new to biking but I am new to touring. I've got the bike/s > > > > (Sam Hillborne, Myata 610) and most of the basics. I also have a > > > > handle on touring within my state (Florida). But I need some help with > > > > planning some tours in other parts of the USA and overseas. I have > > > > some (probably dumb) questions about how one transports their bike to > > > > other distant locations and how one get a good guide for some of these > > > > tours. For example, after Easter I will have a week and my wife and I > > > > want to head to Northern California and do some touring that wo
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
All this hang-wringing about the Atlantis. Yes, it's a fabulous frame design; and yes, I'll admit I lusted after one for YEARS but could not afford it. These days, I'm sitting on two very nice lugged steel frames -- both Schwinns, both recently acquired -- and am contemplating what I'll do with them. One of them would make an excellent Atlantis-styled bike. And the beauty of it is, so would any number of older lugged mountain bike frames out there. Which brings me to this point: The writing was on the wall a couple of issues back when Grant published that article about converting old mountain bikes into very good city bikes. I smelled the Atlantis' demise then, and so I am not surprised that it has been announced. Not to say that Rivendell couldn't resurrect this design in a more- affordably-made Taiwanese version down the road (I also like "Atlantis 3"), but for them to continue to sell the Toyo-made Atlantis they would've had to charge close to 2,800 bucks to adequately handle the exchange rate. At that point of diminishing returns, it's just not worth it to enough customers to sustain anymore. Keep your eyes peeled for an older, mid-to-late-80's atb frame, and see what happens when you build it up. (I suggest Schwinn, Trek, Miyata and Nishiki as excellent places to start.) I bet you'll like it. In fact, I bet some of you would like it so much that you almost won't miss the Atlantis anymore. Maybe. Bottom line: Rivendell is still making nice bikes and other stuff, and is still in business. Good thing! --Beth Onward --Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
