Jim, I'll +1 your comment. That weird upward-sloping-top-tube Hillborne is
the nicest frame I've ever tour-pedaled. Wonderful bike. I still think it's
ugly.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill....@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded
> touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH,
> chances are you're bringing way more than you need.
>
> On Aug 20, 2:43 pm, Solomander <soloman...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are
> > pricing themselves out of existence.  I am sure that Waterford could
> > make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive.  I wonder
> > what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork?  Nobody can
> > dispute the beauty of an Atlantis frame and fork, but OTOH you can get
> > a LHT frame and fork for what, $500?  It seems that GP had anticipated
> > this, by presenting the 2 new models.  Unless I am missing something,
> > once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a
> > bike model that is capable of loaded touring.
> >
> > Joel
> >
>

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