Splitting of Distributable VFP System

[Kurt Wendt]

Hello there folks,

I've been doing a little research recently on a problem with
regards to a system here at my new job. I work within the Apparel
industry. And, the application originally started as a FoxBASE++ system.
They are beginning to move to more of a Windows based system (they are
even creating a completely new version of their system based upon C# &
.Net - although I am not involved with that). However, on the VFP front,
they have been creating a new version of the system based upon Forms,
with much less PRG's. But, here in lies the problem.

Previously when they would distribute their system to their
clients - they would give them mostly FXP files - so their clients
can't' so easily look at the code. (Of course, someone with ReFox still
could - but, that's another story.) And, with their current systems that
have been pulled into VFP with minimal changes - and only a couple of
forms designed in VFP - they distribute an EXE to their clients, with
most of the rest of the system being FXP's. The EXE is not too big - at
like 1.4MB, since the rest is all just FXP's. 

But, their new system, based almost completely on screens/Forms
- is now compiled into a single EXE application that is around 14MB -
and GROWING! So, the problem is two-fold. A 14MB EXE takes longer to
load each time a user wants to run it. But, the problem really is with
regards to upgrades. With the older system, fix a single program, then
upload that FXP to the client - and you don't have to kick everyone off
the client's system to install it. But, with the new app that is a big
EXE file - you must kick everyone off the system for each and every
upgrade. Or, in this case - they MUST do the upgrades at night!

As such, I was recently doing a little research into what
possibilities existed to split up the Windows EXE system into chunks.
Part of the concept was to split based upon functionality - like a chunk
specific to Order screens, another for Pick Tickets, another for
Invoicing, etc.

It seems that the most logical way to do this would be to create
separate project files for those chunks, which would include the
specific forms/screens - then compile those chunks as DLL's that would
be called from the main EXE distribution file. However, the creation and
calling of DLL's is not something I have done in the past. And, from the
research I did - it seems to require a certain amount of complexity to
implement - including the creation of OLE public class user-defined
classes in either program (.prg) files or visual class library (.vcx)
files. Then, after discussing this with one of the developers here - I
found out that the DLL's option poses another complication. Their
existing system relies on a LOT of Public variables (and, yeah - I don't
think that's the best thing to do either, creating a lot of pub vars -
but, I didn't create the original system) - and I was told that the
screens within the DLL's would NOT be able to see those var's. So, that
pretty much means the DLL idea is not a viable option. 

I also read up a little on FoxPro link-library files (FLL's).
But, my research didn't turn up much on how to do this, and whether it
was really viable. 

So - I am turning to this mailing list in hopes of getting ideas
for a possible solution!

I look forward to hearing replies from the group. FYI - I am
writing this e-mail at 5:40pm on a Friday night - so, I won't be able to
reply back to anyone until Monday - should someone post a reply soon.

Thanks,
Kurt

P.S. Just an FYI. This is my first posting to the list, so I am a newbie
here. But, not a newbie to VFP - as I have been working with it since
the initial Foxbase+ release! Am back in a fulltime job now, doing VFP
development - although I have been in-and-out of VFP developing over the
years, including 2.5 years as a fulltime Mr. Mom - although, at that
time I developed a system for my own uses - to track artwork, new
artists, review of artwork, and data to rebuild the gallery hosted on
Yahoo - which you can find here:
http://Gallery-3D.com/
(And - yes, I am one of the artists in the gallery - as I also do 3D CG
besides FoxPro, and I also teach classes in 3D at FIT here NYC.)

Too bad I found this wonderful mailing list so late in life - I really
could have used it about 2 years ago!!!  

Anyway - sorry for the extra little [OT] stuff, at least the main topic
is ON topic!


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RE: [NF] Humor: hopefully today will be better than yesterday

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey David - thanks for that humour - it truly brightened my morning at
the VERY start!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David Smith
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [NF] Humor: hopefully today will be better than yesterday

. it wasn't Monday, but it sure felt like one yesterday as our company
experienced a five hour long phone and internet outage right in the
middle
of the day. My initial suspicion was our notoriously ham-handed Frontier
techs ( Frontier is a local ISP vendor that companies like Paetec lease
T1's
from for resale to companies like ours ) who were installing a new smart
jack and fiber line for some new bandwidth we had purchased. Seeing as
we
dropped offline about  five minutes after they arrived, it seemed like a
good bet they may have had a hand in it somehow. As I interrupted their
ham
sandwich and coffee break in the server room to politely enquire what
happened, I was met with a not entirely unexpected round of denials and
indignant looks.  So, I dialed up Paetec to have them take a look and
talk
with the Frontier guys directly. As the next hour and a half went by
they
did loop back tests and assured me everything on their respective ends
was
fine, so it must be my router. Hmmm. okay. So while they were doing
their
diagnostics ( this is after they returned from their  45 minutes to have
lunch  ) I had called ADP ( the folks who administer out Cisco gear )
and
had them dial in to take a look. They saw nothing wrong on their end,
but
sent a local tech out to take a look. We're now three + hours in and
there
we were in the server room, which is about the size of a decent walk-in
closet. two Frontier techs, the ADP tech, Paetec on the phone, ADP on
the
phone. I'm 6 feet tall and 280 pounds but was still the smallest guy in
the
room. I think the temperature was at least 90 in there. Frontier, ADP
and
Paetec engaged in a somewhat hilarious round of finger pointing and then
the
ADP tech made noticed something important. The Frontier card was in the
wrong slot. Silence in the room for a solid 10 seconds as everyone
stared at
the card as if there were unicorns jumping out of it. the Frontier guys
cursed, pulled out the card. nothing happened. Fast forward another 15
minutes of pointless finger pointing and posturing until I thought to
ask if
the circuit was still in loop mode for testing.. More silence. Paetec
takes
the circuit out of mode. internet and phone service is restored.

 

The punch line: Frontier is returning today to complete their work, as
their card failed to work once it was properly slotted. I'm looking
forward
to hanging out with them the entire time they are on site. J

 

Thanks,

Dave

 

David Smith

Systems Administrator

Doan Family of Dealerships

(585) 352-6600 ext.1730

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www.upstatedigitools.com

 



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RE: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

[Kurt Wendt]

Michael,

Thanks for your input. Sorry for the delay in response. This idea of
splitting the EXE and such, it's a completely side project - and I can
only take time to address it if I don't have other specific programming
tasks or meetings. Therefore the late response.

So, onwards...

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Behalf Of Michael Madigan

> To be honest, I would leave the development as it is unless the EXE is

> excruciatingly slow to start.  With fast networks and fast servers...

Agreed. That part of the issue is really almost a non-issue.

>  I'm not sure what cutting it up buys you because you still have to
kick 
> off the people who are in that particular module, so you might have to
do 
> that overnight too.

Yes, true - we will still have to kick some people off if they
are using that module. But, by splitting up the system - its far fewer
people that may have to be kicked off at any one time - especially if
its split into a good number of chunks. Also, at a certain point in
time, most of the work/modifications/updgrades/fixes may be isolated to
a single module.

> You could just create complete stand-alone EXEs that are called by a
main 
> program they wouldn't have to be dlls.  

But, with the multiple EXE option - can each of the EXE files
still be able to see common global var's that were created during the
running of the main EXE - which I have heard IS a problem with the DLL's
idea?!?!?

Thanks,
Kurt


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RE: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

[Kurt Wendt]

Kevin - even if I go with the EXE option - isn't there still an issue
with global var's (like the problem I am told with DLL's - that they
can't see public var's created via the main EXE)?

Thanks,
-K-


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Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:45 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

I've worked on a system where the main EXE was quite small, and called
other "modules" as either APPS or as EXEs.  It worked very well.

The main EXE would inspect the sub APPS and turn on menu options once
the app was available and the correct version.

-Kevin
CULLY Technologies, LLC


Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Hello there folks,
> 
>   I've been doing a little research recently on a problem with
> regards to a system here at my new job. I work within the Apparel
> industry. And, the application originally started as a FoxBASE++
system.
> They are beginning to move to more of a Windows based system (they are
> even creating a completely new version of their system based upon C# &
> .Net - although I am not involved with that). However, on the VFP
front,
> they have been creating a new version of the system based upon Forms,
> with much less PRG's. But, here in lies the problem.
> 
>   Previously when they would distribute their system to their
> clients - they would give them mostly FXP files - so their clients
> can't' so easily look at the code. (Of course, someone with ReFox
still
> could - but, that's another story.) And, with their current systems
that
> have been pulled into VFP with minimal changes - and only a couple of
> forms designed in VFP - they distribute an EXE to their clients, with
> most of the rest of the system being FXP's. The EXE is not too big -
at
> like 1.4MB, since the rest is all just FXP's. 
> 
>   But, their new system, based almost completely on screens/Forms
> - is now compiled into a single EXE application that is around 14MB -
> and GROWING! So, the problem is two-fold. A 14MB EXE takes longer to
> load each time a user wants to run it. But, the problem really is with
> regards to upgrades. With the older system, fix a single program, then
> upload that FXP to the client - and you don't have to kick everyone
off
> the client's system to install it. But, with the new app that is a big
> EXE file - you must kick everyone off the system for each and every
> upgrade. Or, in this case - they MUST do the upgrades at night!
> 
>   As such, I was recently doing a little research into what
> possibilities existed to split up the Windows EXE system into chunks.
> Part of the concept was to split based upon functionality - like a
chunk
> specific to Order screens, another for Pick Tickets, another for
> Invoicing, etc.
> 
>   It seems that the most logical way to do this would be to create
> separate project files for those chunks, which would include the
> specific forms/screens - then compile those chunks as DLL's that would
> be called from the main EXE distribution file. However, the creation
and
> calling of DLL's is not something I have done in the past. And, from
the
> research I did - it seems to require a certain amount of complexity to
> implement - including the creation of OLE public class user-defined
> classes in either program (.prg) files or visual class library (.vcx)
> files. Then, after discussing this with one of the developers here - I
> found out that the DLL's option poses another complication. Their
> existing system relies on a LOT of Public variables (and, yeah - I
don't
> think that's the best thing to do either, creating a lot of pub vars -
> but, I didn't create the original system) - and I was told that the
> screens within the DLL's would NOT be able to see those var's. So,
that
> pretty much means the DLL idea is not a viable option. 
> 
>   I also read up a little on FoxPro link-library files (FLL's).
> But, my research didn't turn up much on how to do this, and whether it
> was really viable. 
> 
>   So - I am turning to this mailing list in hopes of getting ideas
> for a possible solution!
> 
>   I look forward to hearing replies from the group. FYI - I am
> writing this e-mail at 5:40pm on a Friday night - so, I won't be able
to
> reply back to anyone until Monday - should someone post a reply soon.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kurt
> 
> P.S. Just an FYI. This is my first posting to the list, so I am a
newbie
> here. But, not a newbie to VFP - as I have been working with it since
> the initial Foxbase+ release! Am back in a fulltime job now, doing VFP
> development - althoug

RE: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

[Kurt Wendt]

Peter,

That loader concept sounds interesting, and I will have look into it. 

I especially like that idea of a timer/file exists/warning msg before
boot!

Thanks for these suggestions - much appreciate!

Also - thanks for your kind welcoming words for me - the newbie of this
list!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter Cushing
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:01 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Hello there folks,
>
>   


>   So - I am turning to this mailing list in hopes of getting ideas
> for a possible solution!
>
>   
Hi Kurt,

Welcome to the list.  Hope it proves useful to you.

There have been quite a few posts in the past from people who use a 
"loader" exe.  This means the main EXE is never changes but it loads the

latest version available.  This could come from a parameter file or by 
just listing the EXE's in a folder and taking the latest one.  Have a 
look in the archives

http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox

and search for specific phrase loader EXE

This will mean you don't have to boot people out to load the latest
version.

Other options include using a timer in the main app to warn or boot 
people out if a certain file exists.  This makes it easier to get 
everyone out (and keep them out) until an update is on.

HTH

Peter



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RE: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

[Kurt Wendt]

Henry - there is still the downside to the APP's idea, which is that the
code is still too easily accessible by clients - unlike a compiled EXE
or DLL.

Thanks,
-K-

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Hi Kurt,

I don't see why you wouldn't split into several APPs called from one
central EXE. No FLL or DLL required for splitting. Certainly no registry
stuff either...


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RE: UT is down?

[Kurt Wendt]

Don't mind my ignorance - but, what is a "UT"?
-K-


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Matt Slay wrote:
> UT = Service Unavailable  (1:00 Central Time)
> Been that way for 30 mins.
Good riddance?
Paul


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RE: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

[Kurt Wendt]

So, you are saying I would actually use ReFox to Encrypt the APP file
before distributing it to the clients? And, this is how we would stop
people from looking at our code? I know about ReFox, and I have used it
in the past (although not for this purpose of encrypting) - and I think
they even have ReFox here at my job. But, not sure if they would be
thrilled to use it to do encryption for EVERY time they deploy an
update. But, it IS something to think about...

-K-


-Original Message-
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Kurt,
I was not aware that an APP differed from an EXE in that respect. You
can ReFox either, no? Can you still see an APP's code even if you tick
the 'Encrypt' checkbox?

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Henry - there is still the downside to the APP's idea, which is that the
code is still too easily accessible by clients - unlike a compiled EXE
or DLL.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Kurt,
I don't see why you wouldn't split into several APPs called from one
central EXE. No FLL or DLL required for splitting. Certainly no registry
stuff either...



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RE: Splitting of Distributable VFP System

[Kurt Wendt]

Henry - thanks for the clarification. Now I understand.

And, folks - thanks for those insights re:locking doors, as its kinda
what I meant as well - that its only basic protection(creating an EXE) -
since, if people REALLY want to get at the code - they could use ReFox.
But, the standard client really is not going to be bothered with
something like cracking open the code with Refox!

-K-


-Original Message-
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Kurt,

Sorry for the confusion. This is NOT what I said. I meant that APPs,
like EXEs can be encrypted in VFP proper (Project Info/Encrypted) so
that the contents cannot be viewed in an editor. My reference to ReFox
was only to the extent that APPs, just like EXEs, are NOT immune to
ReFox.

In other words, I meant that to me, and with respect to safeguarding
source code, EXE = APP.

Again, sorry for the confusion caused by my earlier post.

Henry

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Sent: 2008-11-12 5:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Splitting of Distributable VFP System


So, you are saying I would actually use ReFox to Encrypt the APP file
before distributing it to the clients? And, this is how we would stop
people from looking at our code? I know about ReFox, and I have used it
in the past (although not for this purpose of encrypting) - and I think
they even have ReFox here at my job. But, not sure if they would be
thrilled to use it to do encryption for EVERY time they deploy an
update. But, it IS something to think about...

-K-


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kurt,
I was not aware that an APP differed from an EXE in that respect. You
can ReFox either, no? Can you still see an APP's code even if you tick
the 'Encrypt' checkbox?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Henry - there is still the downside to the APP's idea, which is that the
code is still too easily accessible by clients - unlike a compiled EXE
or DLL.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Kurt,
I don't see why you wouldn't split into several APPs called from one
central EXE. No FLL or DLL required for splitting. Certainly no registry
stuff either...



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RE: [NF] fun w/ URL's

[Kurt Wendt]

Sweet!
 http://5z8.info/double-your-wang_j8g1il_taliban-meetup

Gotta love it..
-K-

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Start freeking out your friends and colleagues...
http://www.shadyurl.com/
Thanks,
Matthew Jarvis 

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A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

[Kurt Wendt]

Ahoy there Fellow Pro-Fox Groupies!
 
I've stumbed upon a rather strange problem here at work.
 
Yesterday I was connected to a client to trouble-shoot a problem. I was
connected via VNC to thier Server - where I was running out system and
tracking down the problem. I managed to figure out the problem - updated
a program - compile it - and send the FXP to them. I then ran the
system, and it then ran the new program - and all's-well-that-ends-well.
Or, at least I thought so...
 
So - a little while later - we get an e-mail from the client complaining
something is not working! And, if you can believe - the system/VFP is
claiming the file I updated - it can't actually find it. The strange
part is - if you run the system on thier server - the problem doesn't
occur. But, if you run the system on one of their workstations (error
happens on BOTH an XP and a Win7 system) - then the error occurs. Also,
from thier workstation - we can actually see that the file is THERE -
and it resides in the same folder with the rest of the database system.
But, when the system is running - its like it just can't see the file.
There was even a backed up version of the file in the same folder -
which we could see from the user's workstation - and we were even able
to delete that file from the workstation. So - the workstation/user can
physically see the file - but, the database system/VFP just can't see it
when it attempts to run it!
 
Very strange indeed - or at least I think its pretty strange.
 
Anyone have ANY Clues?
 

Thanks,

 -K-

 

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RE: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey there Paul & Mike - thanks for the feedback.
 
So - to answer your question - Yes - it most definitely is on a Network
drive. That's why I mention that it ran on the server - but, not on the
workstation - even though the workstation was running the same system
from the SAME Location - and Network folder.

As for your suggestion of "they don't have Offline Files enabled for the
network drive" - I'm not sure of where to check for that. However, I
will CC my QA Tech guy here - and maybe he can check into that - as he's
MUCH MORE of a Network expert than I am!

Thanks,
-K-


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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Hill
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:07 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
> Ahoy there Fellow Pro-Fox Groupies!
>
> I've stumbed upon a rather strange problem here at work.
> Yesterday I was connected to a client to trouble-shoot a problem. I 
> was connected via VNC to thier Server - where I was running our system

> and tracking down the problem...
> So - a little while later - we get an e-mail from the client 
> complaining something is not working! And, if you can believe - the 
> system/VFP is claiming the file I updated - it can't actually find it.

> The strange part is - if you run the system on thier server - the 
> problem doesn't occur. But, if you run the system on one of their 
> workstations (error happens on BOTH an XP and a Win7 system) - then 
> the error occurs...
> Anyone have ANY Clues?

I assume this is running on a network drive?

Check they don't have Offline Files enabled for the network drive.
I've seen this do wierd things like you describe.

For Windows 7/Vista it might be the VirtualStore, but this generally
effects c:\program files

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RE: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

[Kurt Wendt]

BUT - Why would the antivirus pick on One FXP - but let all others thru?

As for "I saw a site recently where different PCs were seeing different
files in the same network folder." - the file in question CAN be seen in
the network folder from the user's PC, its just VFP that can't see it!

But, I will have my QA Tech guy check that out...

-K-

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On Behalf Of Paul Hill
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:48 AM
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Subject: Re: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

Hi Kurt

Right-click on the drive and the should be a checkbox 'Make Available
Offline'.
I saw a site recently where different PCs were seeing different files in
the same network folder.

Of course, it could also be your anti-virus messing with files.

Paul

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
> Hey there Paul & Mike - thanks for the feedback.
>
> So - to answer your question - Yes - it most definitely is on a 
> Network drive. That's why I mention that it ran on the server - but, 
> not on the workstation - even though the workstation was running the 
> same system from the SAME Location - and Network folder.
>
> As for your suggestion of "they don't have Offline Files enabled for 
> the network drive" - I'm not sure of where to check for that. However,

> I will CC my QA Tech guy here - and maybe he can check into that - as 
> he's MUCH MORE of a Network expert than I am!
>
> Thanks,
> -K-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com 
> [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
> On Behalf Of Paul Hill
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:07 AM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:
>> Ahoy there Fellow Pro-Fox Groupies!
>>
>> I've stumbed upon a rather strange problem here at work.
>> Yesterday I was connected to a client to trouble-shoot a problem. I 
>> was connected via VNC to thier Server - where I was running our 
>> system
>
>> and tracking down the problem...
>> So - a little while later - we get an e-mail from the client 
>> complaining something is not working! And, if you can believe - the 
>> system/VFP is claiming the file I updated - it can't actually find
it.
>
>> The strange part is - if you run the system on thier server - the 
>> problem doesn't occur. But, if you run the system on one of their 
>> workstations (error happens on BOTH an XP and a Win7 system) - then 
>> the error occurs...
>> Anyone have ANY Clues?
>
> I assume this is running on a network drive?
>
> Check they don't have Offline Files enabled for the network drive.
> I've seen this do wierd things like you describe.
>
> For Windows 7/Vista it might be the VirtualStore, but this generally 
> effects c:\program files
>
> --
> Paul
>
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RE: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

[Kurt Wendt]

That seems ODD - since AFAIK - the QA Techs here generally log into the
Server - and upload FXP files - to update the client's systems. So - I
find it peculiar that its having the problem with this one particular
file.

But - I WILL Definitely pass this suggestion on to my QA Tech guy here!

Thanks,
-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Tracy Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:30 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

Kurt Wendt wrote on 2011-08-03: 
>  Ahoy there Fellow Pro-Fox Groupies!
>  I've stumbed upon a rather strange problem here at work.
>  Yesterday I was connected to a client to trouble-shoot a problem. I 
> was  connected via VNC to thier Server...
>  So - a little while later - we get an e-mail from the client 
> complaining  something is not working! And, if you can believe - the 
> system/VFP is  claiming the file I updated - it can't actually find 
> it...
>  Thanks,
>   -K-
> 

Kurt,
NTFS Permissions on the file you transferred. It does not have
read/execute rights for the group the user is in on the server.
Tracy Pearson
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RE: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

[Kurt Wendt]

Thanks for the feedback.

I read the webpage in the link below - and it claims that the issue is
ONLY related to PC's running Vista and above - and its NOT applicable to
prior OS's - such as XP. Where as, with our problem - the same problem
occurred on 2 workstations - 1 was Win7 - but the OTHER was an XP
machine. So - I'm kinda sceptical as to whether this would solve the
problem. But, I still may have my QA Tech guy give this a shot...

-K- 

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On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:13 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: A STRANGE File Does Not Exist Problem...

You might find this interesting:

http://www.alaska-software.com/fixes/smb2/overview.shtm#download

Apparently there are three SMB2 caching settings that can cause weird
'file not found' issues with Visual FoxPro and similar ISAM-type
databases. In this case it might be the FileNotFoundCacheLifetime
setting, worth a try. That link has a little installer you can run on
Win 7 clients to disable those settings.



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RE: [NF] spam funny

[Kurt Wendt]

Matthew - that is just TOO Funny - gave me a good chuckle. 

Although - its sad to see how SO MANY people are so totally Gullible.
Its sadder still - since that's why the Phishing schemes continue -
because of exactly all the gullible people.

Heck - a while ago I got one from "Chase" bank - which is my bank - but,
I knew right away it was a Scam. However, for the Hell-of-it, I clicked
the link in the e-mail (and, even the e-mail looked REAL with actual
Chase formatting and logos) - and the webpage looked REAL As Well!
Shockingly so! It looked Identical to my usual Online Banking Login.
But, needless to say - I did NOT Login. I just wanted to see how well
they were spoofing people. 

So - yeah - its Scary - that they are Scary Good at it. And, I'm sure
TONS of people in the world are Spoofed by this stuff!

-K-

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On Behalf Of Jarvis, Matthew
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:10 PM

Apparently a phishing message made it through our filters and into the
Inboxes of a few people here... 

So the b0ss sends out this email telling people to either ignore it or
call us if they have any questions.

He said he's receiving about a 25% response rate to his email with all
the info filled in...

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FoxPro to Excel & Exponential Looking Data

[Kurt Wendt]

I looked thru all the old e-mails I got from ProFox and could not seem
to find this. Even though I am SURE someone in the group mentioned this
problem - and somewhat recently. Oh well, here goes...

 

I have this one utility that needs to export data to Excel. Which, for
the most part - it does it just fine. The problem is, I need to be able
to export this like a FedEx or UPS Tracking # that the user must enter.
And, if that tracking number is big and all digits (like 18 digits long)
- when you open the Excel file - those tracking numbers get displayed as
some kind of Exponential number.

 

I'm sure others have run into the problem. So - what is the best
solution for this issue? I know I can do some Office Automation to fix
it - but, I would rather avoid Automation - for many of the obvious
reasons and drawbacks for going that route.

 

Thanks,

 -K-

 

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RE: FoxPro to Excel & Exponential Looking Data

[Kurt Wendt]

Actually - the field that I am exporting already IS a Character field!
-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Sytze de Boer
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:55 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: FoxPro to Excel & Exponential Looking Data

Does it still happen if you turn the number into a character string ?


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:
> I looked thru all the old e-mails I got from ProFox and could not seem
> to find this. Even though I am SURE someone in the group mentioned
this
> problem - and somewhat recently. Oh well, here goes...
>
>
>
> I have this one utility that needs to export data to Excel. Which, for
> the most part - it does it just fine. The problem is, I need to be
able
> to export this like a FedEx or UPS Tracking # that the user must
enter.
> And, if that tracking number is big and all digits (like 18 digits
long)
> - when you open the Excel file - those tracking numbers get displayed
as
> some kind of Exponential number.

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RE: FoxPro to Excel & Exponential Looking Data

[Kurt Wendt]

Mike - I've done the Automation approach - as I already mentioned below.
But - there are drawbacks as I mentioned - for one being that when my QA
Tech goes and attempts to install it on the clients system - they
install & test it on their server - which does NOT have Excel. So - that
means it wont work. Plus - there is the overhead of Automation being
slow...

But, yes, I have done Automation before - to solve some very specific
problems!

-K-

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On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:57 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: FoxPro to Excel & Exponential Looking Data

On 8/22/2011 1:50 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> I looked thru all the old e-mails I got from ProFox and could not seem
> to find this. Even though I am SURE someone in the group mentioned
this
> problem - and somewhat recently. Oh well, here goes...
>
>
>
> I have this one utility that needs to export data to Excel. Which, for
> the most part - it does it just fine. The problem is, I need to be
able
> to export this like a FedEx or UPS Tracking # that the user must
enter.
> And, if that tracking number is big and all digits (like 18 digits
long)
> - when you open the Excel file - those tracking numbers get displayed
as
> some kind of Exponential number.
>
>
>
> I'm sure others have run into the problem. So - what is the best
> solution for this issue? I know I can do some Office Automation to fix
> it - but, I would rather avoid Automation - for many of the obvious
> reasons and drawbacks for going that route.
>

Not sure if you feel comfortable with the automation approach, but if 
you do, then create a template ahead of time (assuming fixed/constant 
data) and then insert into that using Office Automation.


-- 
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President, Chief Software Architect
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RE: My App has disappeared

[Kurt Wendt]

I know this may seem obvious - but, why not temporarily set:
_screen.visible=.T.

As this may help U 2 debug the problem...

-K-

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On Behalf Of Sytze de Boer
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 2:15 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: My App has disappeared

I've been working with a small app in the past couple of days
My code is simple start.prg and leads into do form mainform
1st line is _screen.visible=.f.

This mainform is As Top-Level form
All other scx's are In Top Level form

All was well till this morning when I added some small tweaks
Now, after compiling into EXE, it loads the app but nothing on screen
I have to go Task manager to kill this App

Can anyone guide me please


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Kiss Software

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RE: FoxPro to Excel & Exponential Looking Data

[Kurt Wendt]

Ted - you're right - I failed to mention that I specifically export the
data as a CSV file using COPY TO.

Now - when my QA Tech was originally playing around with the exported
data - and opened it up in Excel, we found that by putting the quote at
the beginning of the number - that Excel did indeed treat it as just
characters - and stopped doing the Exponential display stuff. 

So - since that seemed to work - and you also mentioned doing the same
thing from within VFP - that's what I just implemented. It should do the
trick - I didn't actually test it to see if it works - since they have
me juggling TOO Many things here - so, I left it for my QA Tech guy to
test it out and get back to me.

Thanks to you and ALL the others who responded!

As usual - this list is ALWAYS a Great help!

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Ted Roche
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 2:11 PM

You don't mention how you're moving the data to Excel: exporting from
VFP as CSV, opening the DBF in Excel, or one of the many other ways.

What if you were to prepend a single quote to the field in VFP before
you exported the data? That's the usual signal to excel to treat what
follows as string even if it is all numbers.


On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:
> Actually - the field that I am exporting already IS a Character field!
> -K-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com
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> On Behalf Of Sytze de Boer
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:55 PM
>
> Does it still happen if you turn the number into a character string ?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Kurt Wendt 
> wrote:
>> I looked thru all the old e-mails I got from ProFox and could not
seem
>> to find this. Even though I am SURE someone in the group mentioned
> this
>> problem - and somewhat recently. Oh well, here goes...

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RE: [NF] http://duckduckgo.com replacement for google.com

[Kurt Wendt]

I just read an article about it this past weekend within the NY Times.
And, I do NOT Believe that Google is alone in doing this. The author
critized Google & others for doing this - since he claims that they are
giving you a narrow scope of the world. However, it seems its NOT so bad
what Google is attempting to do - even though it comes across as bad (as
seen by everyone here grumbling). What they are essentially doing is
attempting to PERSONALIZE the web experience for you. Based upon what
you are doing Over Time in doing searches in Google - the two different
people searching for the word Apple - One might get the Company - while
another may get info on Cortland Apples - for instance. 

It was in interesting article...

-K-

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On Behalf Of Paul McNett
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:32 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] http://duckduckgo.com replacement for google.com

I'm disturbed that my wife and I will type the exact same query into
Google, hit 
"search" at the same instant, and get completely different results.

I've had good results with DDG in the past, but forgot about it I guess.
Another 
quiver in the toolkit!

Paul


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RE: [NF] chat client for internal use only

[Kurt Wendt]

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but...

I remembered that Sytze - from our group here - his co. created
something like this. 

Here is his site:   http://kissms.co.nz/

HTH,
-K-

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On Behalf Of Jarvis, Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:59 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] chat client for internal use only

I thought it would be valuable to be able to fire up a quick chat with
someone else in my department from time to time...

Anyone have something that does this?
Thanks,
Matthew Jarvis || Business Systems Analyst

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RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Alan,

I'm glad you brought up Servoy - as I was going to suggest it here. The
only reason I was going to do this - is because the key guy on the
Servoy team (Ken Levy) recently e-mailed me (a bit like a sales pitch)
at my company e-mail here where I work by day. (Although - when I wrote
back to him - he actually did NOT Respond back to me - which I did NOT
take as a GOOD Sign - but, instead - proceeded to add me to his Mailing
list - and now I am getting Servoy Newsletter updates!)

So - how do YOU Find Servoy? You say you seem to like it. Is it a direct
replacement for FoxPro? Is it basically FoxPro coding? Or - is it
completely different than FoxPro???

TIA,
Kurt

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:55 AM

Looked at a fairly late beta, it was like a lot of these tools -
fantastic as long as what you're doing falls into one of their
pre-cooked use cases. Once you start to deviate, the amount of work to
get it to do anything it doesn't want to means you might as well just
use IdeaBlade or something and do it all yourself.

I'm liking Servoy a lot at the minute.
-- 
  Alan Bourke

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COLUMN Not Found...

[Kurt Wendt]

OK - I am getting this error - and it just does NOT seem to make sense.
This is the Clip of code:

SELECT *, Vendor1 as Grp_Vndr FROM Cuttkt ;

WHERE &XFILTER ;

INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut1 READWRITE 

SCAN

REPLACE Grp_Vndr WITH
IIF(Ct_stage="2",Vendor2,IIF(Ct_stage="3",Vendor3,Vendor1))

ENDSCAN 

SELECT * FROM Temp_Cut1 ;

ORDER BY Temp_Cut1.Ct_stage, Temp_Cut1.Grp_Vndr, ;

DTOS(Temp_Cut1.Complete), Temp_Cut1.Ticket  ;

INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut READWRITE

 

The 1st Select works. And, the Scan/Replace works. It's the 2nd Select
that fails. The error is:

SQL: Column "Grp_Vndr" is not found.

 

It does NOT make sense that its not found - since I created the field in
the 1st Select - and I was even able to do all the Replaces in the SCAN
loop without a problem!

 

So - what gives? Can anyone gimme a clue???

Thanks,

 -K-

 

Senior Developer

Waitex Information System, Inc.

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RE: COLUMN Not Found...

[Kurt Wendt]

I just did as you suggested. And, sure enough - the fields ARE There -
with the names that I was using in the Select. Before you replied, I
just tried pulling out the Grp_Vndr field from the ORDER BY - only to
have it THEN give me the same error for the Ct_stage field!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Quilhot
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:03 PM

Run the second query without any "order by" clauses and then look at the
column names in the output.

Rick Q


On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:

> OK - I am getting this error - and it just does NOT seem to make
sense.
> This is the Clip of code:
>
> SELECT *, Vendor1 as Grp_Vndr FROM Cuttkt ;
> WHERE &XFILTER ;
>INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut1 READWRITE
> SCAN
> REPLACE Grp_Vndr WITH
>   IIF(Ct_stage="2",Vendor2,IIF(Ct_stage="3",Vendor3,Vendor1))
> ENDSCAN
> SELECT * FROM Temp_Cut1 ;
>ORDER BY Temp_Cut1.Ct_stage, Temp_Cut1.Grp_Vndr, ;
> DTOS(Temp_Cut1.Complete), Temp_Cut1.Ticket  ;
>INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut READWRITE
>
>
> The 1st Select works. And, the Scan/Replace works. It's the 2nd Select
> that fails. The error is:
>
>SQL: Column "Grp_Vndr" is not found.
>
> It does NOT make sense that its not found - since I created the field
in
> the 1st Select - and I was even able to do all the Replaces in the
SCAN
> loop without a problem!
>
> So - what gives? Can anyone gimme a clue???
> Thanks,
>  -K-
> Senior Developer
> Waitex Information System, Inc.

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RE: COLUMN Not Found...

[Kurt Wendt]

Actually - when I initially had the problem - I did NOT use the Cursor
name prefixes. But, after the problem 1st occurred - I stuck them in -
hoping it would help. However, I guessed wrong...

Anyway - I may try another was of solving the problem - so that I don't
even have to use the SCAN loop OR the 2nd SELECT. Going to try to create
that Var. properly in the 1st SELECT - and then ORDER BY it in THAT
select!

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Quilhot
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:25 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: COLUMN Not Found...

Try the second query with use "Temp_Cut" not "Temp_Cut1" in the order by
clause,
or just use the column names without the prefix.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com




On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:

> OK - I am getting this error - and it just does NOT seem to make
sense.
> This is the Clip of code:
>
> SELECT *, Vendor1 as Grp_Vndr FROM Cuttkt ;
>
> WHERE &XFILTER ;
>
>INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut1 READWRITE
>
> SCAN
>
>REPLACE Grp_Vndr WITH
> IIF(Ct_stage="2",Vendor2,IIF(Ct_stage="3",Vendor3,Vendor1))
>
> ENDSCAN
>
> SELECT * FROM Temp_Cut1 ;
>
>ORDER BY Temp_Cut1.Ct_stage, Temp_Cut1.Grp_Vndr, ;
>
> DTOS(Temp_Cut1.Complete), Temp_Cut1.Ticket  ;
>
>INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut READWRITE
>
>
>
> The 1st Select works. And, the Scan/Replace works. It's the 2nd Select
> that fails. The error is:
>
>SQL: Column "Grp_Vndr" is not found.
>
>
>
> It does NOT make sense that its not found - since I created the field
in
> the 1st Select - and I was even able to do all the Replaces in the
SCAN
> loop without a problem!
>
>
>
> So - what gives? Can anyone gimme a clue???
>
> Thanks,
>
>  -K-
>
>
>
> Senior Developer
>
> Waitex Information System, Inc.
>
> P Save a tree. Don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary.
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: COLUMN Not Found...

[Kurt Wendt]

Well - as they say - there's "More than one way to Skin a Cat!" (But -
who the HELL ever came up with that Phrase - and did some Dude actually
sit around trying to figure out how many ways to do it? If so - he's
gotta be one Sick Bastard!) Ah, but, I digress...   

I got it working - based upon just implementing the creation of that
Grp_Vndr field within the 1st SELECT - and doing the IIF() in that
Select to put in the proper data for the field. So - now it works - and
I can finally move on with my life!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:45 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: COLUMN Not Found...

Actually - when I initially had the problem - I did NOT use the Cursor
name prefixes. But, after the problem 1st occurred - I stuck them in -
hoping it would help. However, I guessed wrong...

Anyway - I may try another was of solving the problem - so that I don't
even have to use the SCAN loop OR the 2nd SELECT. Going to try to create
that Var. properly in the 1st SELECT - and then ORDER BY it in THAT
select!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Quilhot
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:25 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: COLUMN Not Found...

Try the second query with use "Temp_Cut" not "Temp_Cut1" in the order by
clause,
or just use the column names without the prefix.

Rick Q

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:

> OK - I am getting this error - and it just does NOT seem to make
sense.
> This is the Clip of code:
>
> SELECT *, Vendor1 as Grp_Vndr FROM Cuttkt ;
>
> WHERE &XFILTER ;
>
>INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut1 READWRITE
>
> SCAN
>
>REPLACE Grp_Vndr WITH
> IIF(Ct_stage="2",Vendor2,IIF(Ct_stage="3",Vendor3,Vendor1))
>
> ENDSCAN
>
> SELECT * FROM Temp_Cut1 ;
>
>ORDER BY Temp_Cut1.Ct_stage, Temp_Cut1.Grp_Vndr, ;
>
> DTOS(Temp_Cut1.Complete), Temp_Cut1.Ticket  ;
>
>INTO CURSOR Temp_Cut READWRITE
>
>
>
> The 1st Select works. And, the Scan/Replace works. It's the 2nd Select
> that fails. The error is:
>
>SQL: Column "Grp_Vndr" is not found.
>
>
>
> It does NOT make sense that its not found - since I created the field
in
> the 1st Select - and I was even able to do all the Replaces in the
SCAN
> loop without a problem!
>
>
>
> So - what gives? Can anyone gimme a clue???
>
> Thanks,
>
>  -K-

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RE: [NF] Programmers From India

[Kurt Wendt]

About 3 years ago I was working for this relatively small co. here in
NYC - that did printing of standardized US testing in grades K-12, and
they also produced these personalized study guides. (If a student did
bad in 2 area of a subject - but, good in the other 3 - s/he would get a
study guide that ONLY included those 2 topics in which they did badly.)

So - by the time I got to the co. - they were now largely outsourced. It
was this HUGE Consulting company based in India - and I think they are
like one of the biggest in the whole world now(I just wish I could
remember their name).  The companies operations were such that about 1/3
to 1/2 of the inhouse "employees" were from this company. The rest of us
were actual fulltime employees. However, then we had this huge team of
people offsite in India. The pain was having conference calls - where
you could Barely hear or understand some of the people on the other end
of the call. 

But, worse yet - was this one situation. 

You see - for a particular print project (and, in the end - MANY of them
were run this way) - we would have certain people inhouse - and then the
rest of the team was in India. But, the dumbest part was to have the QA
Team over in India. And, to make matters worse - almost every project
was a RUSH Job. So - this one time - we had a print-out/Proof - that
needed to be approved by QA - and IN A RUSH. So - imagine how silly it
is - to RUSH out some pieces of paper - attempt to get it there like
overnight - all the way to India - and then they have to write their
critiques on it - or even mark up the document - and send it back - IN A
RUSH! I even turned to someone at one point - and said "Why can't we
just have one of our people HERE that does QA (who might be on Another
project) - do the Rush QA job on this. But, I wasn't listened to - and
it was sent overseas!!!

Oh well...

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:31 PM

On 9/22/2011 11:47 AM, Fred Taylor wrote:
> Having been witness to this phenomena a few times over the years, I
can
> honestly say that the success rate is probably in the 10% range of
actually
> accomplishing the goal of saving ANY money.  In more than a few of the
> cases, it was the demise of the company. (both small and large, but I
will
> not divulge any names to protect the guilty)


Fred,

I've heard this same story repeatedly (about the dismal success rate). 
You'd think the word would be out on the street already, but for some 
reason, the business leaders still seem hellbent on being the exception 
to the typical story.  SSDD


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RE: [NF] Programmers From India

[Kurt Wendt]

Pretty much so...

This kind of situation is strange to experience 1st hand. At the time -
I thought it was so Illogical - and could not believe that others could
not completely see it that way. Although, I believe - there were those
of us there with our hands tied. The powers that be - who ran the
operation - they chose to have these offsite teams - and that's how they
wanted to run the project. But, in certain instances - like the one I
mentioned - it seems Utterly Illogical if not PLAIN STUPID to have an
Offsite team doing QA - when most project were always Super Time
Critical and in a Rush!

Long story short - that company basically doesn't exist anymore. The
company had been independent. Then, before I got there - it was bought
by McGrawHill. But, during the time I was there - it was starting to do
so bad - that they had 1 or 2 rounds of layoffs before I left. My
boss/manager - who hired me - and was a friend for like 20 years - he
had 4 of us on his team - including himself. He was told to get rid of 1
person. He was pushing to layoff this one woman - but, I got my current
job in the knick of time - which means I would quit and he didn't have
to fire anyone. However, after I left - there were like 2 or 3 more
rounds of layoffs. By about a year later - there were more layoffs -
with the final round leaving only about 12 people in the company (when I
was hired - there were around 100). Then, in the end - those last few -
they stayed - but, the company was basically absorbed into McGraw-Hill,
and the Grow company now no longer exists! 

And - I truly believe to this day - it was largely to the oversite of
their attempt to outsource - but, the outsourcing did NOT Work - and was
their downfall...

-K-


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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:27 PM

On 9/23/2011 3:48 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> You see - for a particular print project (and, in the end - MANY of
them
> were run this way) - we would have certain people inhouse - and then
the
> rest of the team was in India. But, the dumbest part was to have the
QA
> Team over in India. And, to make matters worse - almost every project
> was a RUSH Job. So - this one time - we had a print-out/Proof - that
> needed to be approved by QA - and IN A RUSH. So - imagine how silly it
> is - to RUSH out some pieces of paper - attempt to get it there like
> overnight - all the way to India - and then they have to write their
> critiques on it - or even mark up the document - and send it back - IN
A
> RUSH! I even turned to someone at one point - and said "Why can't we
> just have one of our people HERE that does QA (who might be on Another
> project) - do the Rush QA job on this. But, I wasn't listened to - and
> it was sent overseas!!!
>
> Oh well...


Reminds me of the phrases "Penny-wise and Pound-foolish" and "Can't see 
the forest through the trees" and probably a few more similar ones.


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RE: [NF] Measuring code quality

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Now - THAT's a Funny one - and one I can surely relate to around my
office - seeing so much BAD Coding here! Believe me you...

-K-

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WTF's per minute
http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg

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RE: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8

[Kurt Wendt]

I would have liked to have tried this. But, it seems that for a Vista PC
(my Alienware laptop has Vista & is like about 3 years old) - you have
to do a Clean Install. So - I guess that means I can't install this as a
Dual-Boot. Right?

Just curious...

-K-

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On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:25 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8

Anybody who wants a developer preview of Win 8 here it is:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516

Don't all rush at once.
-- 
  Alan Bourke
  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm


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RE: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8

[Kurt Wendt]

Understood - thanks.
-K-

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On Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8

Kurt,
As it is only pre Beta and NOT for production then put it into a VM.

That's what I have done.

Dave


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Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: 30 September 2011 14:39
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Subject: RE: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8

I would have liked to have tried this. But, it seems that for a Vista PC
(my Alienware laptop has Vista & is like about 3 years old) - you have
to do a Clean Install. So - I guess that means I can't install this as a
Dual-Boot. Right?

Just curious...

-K-

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On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8

Anybody who wants a developer preview of Win 8 here it is:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516

Don't all rush at once.
-- 
  Alan Bourke

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RE: Ah memories ...

[Kurt Wendt]

If I looked around in my stuff - I think I could dredge up the FoxPro
for DOS pre-release 0.99 version install floppy disks. I was at the Fox
Conference where they unveiled FP for DOS - and I thought it was so cool
when the Pres. of Fox SW demoed opening up a TON of programs on the
screen by typing:
 Modi Comm *.prg

The crowd went WILD in the room.

Those were some fun times indeed.

Ah - yes - the Memories...

-K-

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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:45 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Ah memories ...

On Sep 30, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

> Moving office soon and going through a period of hardcore throwing
> things out at the minute. Have the following Fox related items:
> 
> Foxpro for DOS 2.60 Standard
> Foxpro for Windows 2.60 Standard
> Visual Foxpro For Windows 3.0 (on floppy)
> Foxpro For DOS Distribution Kit 2.5
> Foxpro For Windows Distribution Kit 2.5
> Visual Foxpro 7 Professional Upgrade Edition
> Visual Foxpro 5 Professional
> Visual Foxpro 6.0 Professional Upgrade
> 
> Quite a bit of history there!

I have one of the rarest Fox items: a CD of VFP 4!

The release after 3.0 was naturally going to be 4.0, and the
first beta was marked as such. Then the decision to move to VS was made,
and the numbering was changed to 5.0 to match other VS products.



-- Ed Leafe

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RE: Ah memories ...

[Kurt Wendt]

I still have a Fox Software jacket - that I got at the same time I got
my FPD 0.99 floppies. And, lucky for me - the jacket still fits.
Downside - its White - which is hard to keep sparkling clean over the
years...

Wonder what I would get if I put that baby up on E-bay?

-K-

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On Behalf Of Lou Syracuse
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Ah memories ...

I still have a green Microsoft jacket I bought from the 'Microsoft
store' at the 95 DevCon at the San Diego Convention Center.  And it
still fits.. well, sort of.  ;)

That was my first DevCon, and I was glad the airlines weren't so strict
about luggage weight back then as bought 5 books along with the jacket.
Too bad that was the last time MS had that kind of stuff at DevCon...

ls



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Cool

I actually also found my old copy of the Hackers Guide to VFP 3.0. That
was my bible for a while.
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RE: Steve Jobs Dies

[Kurt Wendt]

Agreed!

For those that like to read - you might check out iWoz, the book by
Steve Wozniak - creator of the Apple - and his perspective on the
creation of the computer & starting up the company - and working with
Steve. They did have some bitter disagreements - although, I thought it
was a pretty WILD Book - as I love the crazy stuff & stories of people
who have started up some of the industry we all now work in. Really - if
it wasn't for Woz - the real Personal computer industry may have started
Later than it actually did.

So - go check it out if you haven't already done so. For those that have
read it - I'd be curious to know your thoughts...

-K-

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:26 PM

On 10/05/2011 06:43 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Rest In Peace.

We have lost a great one.  Sad day.

Regards,
LelandJ

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RE: Steve Jobs Dies

[Kurt Wendt]

And - on the news last night - they actually made it like Steve created
the 1st personal computer - when he actually marketed the sucker - and
pushed forwards on starting up the Co.! Not to downplay what he did -
but, I hate it when they don't exactly get the details right on the
news!

-K-

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On Behalf Of Jerry Wolper
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:50 PM


> For those that like to read - you might check out iWoz, the book
> by Steve Wozniak - creator of the Apple...

I haven't read the book, but Woz keeps coming to mind as I hear Jobs 
described as Apple's founder rather than co-founder.

Of course, Jobs will be missed.

-Jerry

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RE: [NF] Fox Tshirt

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey - if you guys are really THAT interested - I could work up a shirt
with an Actual FoxPro logo on it. Now - since VFP is officially dead
according to M$ - would that mean I could use the old VFP Logo as I
wish? Or would there be legal ramifications???

What I liked about my old Fox SW jacket - is the phrasing on the back -
"Nothing Runs like the Fox!"

And - I still think its true!

:-)
-K-

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Subject: [NF] Fox Tshirt

http://shirt.woot.com/


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RE: [NF] Fox Tshirt

[Kurt Wendt]

I like your thought process there Paul.

Of course, I could maybe make some minor changes to the old logo - or
enhance it in different ways - to make it different enough that I could
use it. And, I could then fly the idea past my lawyer buddy and see what
he says - as he a patent type attorney. Although, he's always so damned
busy he never has the time of day...

And - I heard what all the rest of you said - and I'm sure you are quite
right. But, then again - this was only more of a passing comment - and
not sure if I would actually do it anyway. But...

-K-

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On 10/10/11 8:42 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Or would there be legal ramifications???

You could always do it and then when they send you a cease-and-desist,
stop.

That's pretty much how the software industry works anyway.

Paul

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RE: [NF] 'Miracle material' chips away at silicon dominance

[Kurt Wendt]

I've actually heard about Graphene before. But, its an interesting
article - and I especially liked this quote:
" The vision is to have electronic devices which can be integrated with
your body or clothing, or computers which can be bent or rolled up and
put away"

-K-

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I hadn't heard about this stuff until just a few minutes ago

 

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RE: VFP 2 MySql

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Hey Mike - thanks for the explanation - as I've seen WAG used a lot
lately - but, was not sure what it meant - and now I do!
-K-

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Just a wag...(wild ass guess)
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RE: Wish for the VFP Report Writer -- ZOOM in Design mode

[Kurt Wendt]

Mike - I totally hear you and I can surely relate. So many times I'm
trying to get at things - or line things up - and without a Zoom - it
gets so difficult at times.

Either that - or I'm just getting TOO OLD for this stuff! Maybe that's
also your issue - and the younger folks just don't need a Bloody Zoom!

:-)
-K-

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How many times have you had to position and/or selectively pick lines 
that are super thin and between tight fields?  I wish we had a zoom 
capability in design mode.  That would make these kind of edits so much 
easier!!!  :-)
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RE: Wish for the VFP Report Writer -- ZOOM in Design mode

[Kurt Wendt]

Wow - I didn't even know about that one! Very interesting - and I just
tried it out!   Thanks Dave!!!

-K-

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Why not just use the Magnifier utility in the windows - Accessories
folder... it's free

Dave 

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On 10/19/2011 7:50 PM, Rick Schummer wrote:
>>> How many times have you had to position and/or selectively pick
lines that are super thin and between tight fields?
> I wish we had a zoom capability in design mode.  That would make these
kind of edits so much easier!!!<<
>
> One word: ZoomIt
>
> Sysinternals utility I use all the time for presentations and
occasionally for development. Free. Rocks.


Good idea!  I remember seeing Steve Sawyer use that at WhilFest years 
ago, iirc.

Thanks, Rick.
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RE: How to put in a method for a form?

[Kurt Wendt]

U know - Mike - I have to agree with you. I TOO almost thought I felt a
tremble in my desk - reminiscent of the earthquake several months ago in
the DC area - which I actually DID feel here in NYC (and saw the desks
around me SWAY!). 

But, yeah - I think we will have to give Stephen some leeway - since I
am SURE that he's been mostly doing a TON of other stuff for a long time
now - and very little VFP! But, that begs another question - why VFP
Now? Something happen? The ground actually DID shake under Stephen - and
now he has to suffer and turn BACK to our Dying language. Sorry to hear
your troubles Stephen!  

-K-

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On 10/26/2011 1:56 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> I need to add a clear events as the form closes down.  Where the heck
> is that method hiding? When I look at the form I don't see any
> properties so that is a setting but I can't remember where that switch
> is hiding.
>
> TIA
>


Good Lord...I think I felt the earth move.  How long has it been since 
you coded in VFP, Stephen

Are you using a menu by chance?  If so, call the menu (probably from the

main.prg) then have an option in your menu for Exit and put the CLEAR 
EVENTS there.

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RE: bottom feeders

[Kurt Wendt]

However - Pete - now you are confusing ALL of US - since you just did a
MIDDLE Posting - NOT a Top or Bottom! Dang - time to make up your
mind...

:-)
-K-

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Michael Madigan wrote:
> Death to bottom posters!

Hi Michael,

That would be me - sometimes. Some forums expect bottom posting.

> Hi guys
> If you guys insist on bottom posting... please crop the original. I'm
sure I
> miss a lot by deleting messages I can't see any reply in the client.
> Al
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RE: Testing .... testing ....

[Kurt Wendt]

True - it was DEAD here yesterday. You could almost here a pin drop! I
was thinking of doing this yesterday - but, just figured it was a slow
day - or, rather - it was a Monday - and everyone had the Monday morning
blues...

I actually looked back thru time a little - to compare to other Mondays
- and, in the last 2 prior weeks - there were at least SOME
communications on a Monday.

But, I guess you are happy to know its NOT Dead - and this thing IS ON!

:-)
-K- 

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1, 2, 1, 2 ... is this thing on ?
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RE: [NF] New Tech. Water extraction from the air

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Stephen - that's an AWESOME Article! I love hearing about really
cool technology - especially that which helps humans survive.

-K- 

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Pretty amazing use of cool to extract moisture.

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Problems Using VFP Beautify...

[Kurt Wendt]

I tend to use this tool in VFP a good bit - especially since a lot of
the code where I work tends to be REALLY SLOPPY - making it harder to
read.
 
One of the problems - is that they all make one long code - instead of
making things more procedural. The problem then becomes matching up the
tops and bottoms of loops - when trying to review code and look for a
problem. So - I use Beautify to clean up the Indentation - which then
generally makes it MUCH easier to see Loop structures. 
 
However, the problem I have is that Beautify doesn't always work. So -
even after doing it - I go to the beginning of a Do While - and if I
then scroll directly down in the code - it all generally indents in
farther - then comes back out. Except - instead of an Enddo matching up
with the same indentation - I may find like an Endif.
 
Anybody know why it doesn't always work right? Is there Bugs in
Beautify?
 

Thanks,

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RE: Problems Using VFP Beautify...

[Kurt Wendt]

I just tried that. I messed up indenting on a chunk of code - and even
some code above it. But, when I selected that Chunk - it fixed up BOTH
the selected chunk - as well as the bit of code a little bit above that.
So - it seems that it ALWAYS works on the Entire program code in one
shot. 

-K-

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Subject: RE: Problems Using VFP Beautify...

Kurt Wendt wrote on 2011-12-09: 
>  I tend to use this tool in VFP a good bit - especially since a lot of

> the code where I work tends to be REALLY SLOPPY - making it harder to

> read.
>  
>  One of the problems - is that they all make one long code - instead 
> of  making things more procedural. The problem then becomes matching 
> up the  tops and bottoms of loops - when trying to review code and 
> look for a  problem. So - I use Beautify to clean up the Indentation -

> which then  generally makes it MUCH easier to see Loop structures.
>  
>  However, the problem I have is that Beautify doesn't always work. So 
> -  even after doing it - I go to the beginning of a Do While - and if 
> I  then scroll directly down in the code - it all generally indents in

> farther - then comes back out. Except - instead of an Enddo matching 
> up  with the same indentation - I may find like an Endif.
>  
>  Anybody know why it doesn't always work right? Is there Bugs in  
> Beautify?
> 
>  Thanks,
>   -K-
> 

Kurt,

If you have an area highlighted, doesn't it just Beautify the selection?

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RE: Problems Using VFP Beautify...

[Kurt Wendt]

I think I have to agree w/Lou & Dan Covill - about Beautify being more
like Uglify!

I tried your suggestion (which, for the most part, the way you suggested
to run it is how I normally do it) - except I normally do Tabs as the
Indents instead of Spaces. So - I tried Spaces - but, I still got
problems. I then looked down thru the code - and was trying to match up
an Enddo with the Do While WAY Above it - only to find out that things
were NOT line up starting at a particular point in the code. So - I
tried doing some realignment myself - but, it's a BIG program - and it's
a bit of a difficult task! Oh well...

-K-

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Subject: Re: Problems Using VFP Beautify...

If you have a mixture of tabs and spaces you can get some strange
indentations.

For Keywords: Mixed case,
Symbols: match first occurance
Type of indentation change to spaces and change the number to 3 click
all the 'text to indent', 'extra indent beneath'

Don't highlight any text and this will beautify the entire file.

----- Original Message -
From: "Kurt Wendt" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: Problems Using VFP Beautify...


I tend to use this tool in VFP a good bit - especially since a lot of
the code where I work tends to be REALLY SLOPPY - making it harder to
read.

One of the problems - is that they all make one long code - instead of
making things more procedural. The problem then becomes matching up the
tops and bottoms of loops - when trying to review code and look for a
problem. So - I use Beautify to clean up the Indentation - which then
generally makes it MUCH easier to see Loop structures.

However, the problem I have is that Beautify doesn't always work. So -
even after doing it - I go to the beginning of a Do While - and if I
then scroll directly down in the code - it all generally indents in
farther - then comes back out. Except - instead of an Enddo matching up
with the same indentation - I may find like an Endif.

Anybody know why it doesn't always work right? Is there Bugs in
Beautify?


Thanks,

 -K-



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RE: [NF] How to accomplish more by doing less

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I just gotta say - sure DOES sound like a GREAT place to work over there
at the Rack! Too bad I am so far away - otherwise I might have taken a
stab at applying for one of the positions you guys have had over time!

-K-

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On Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:34 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] How to accomplish more by doing less

On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:03 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

> I agree that it's a "no-brainer," Ed, but I've seen several companies 
> that had zero compassion and foresight for such a policy.  I called 
> them the "East Berlin School of Mgmt" types.  Old school.  Kinda like 
> that d-bag manager you mentioned who wanted to get rid of the nerf 
> guns and put more "order" in place there.  (btw--is that person still 
> there?)

That manager wasn't a d-bag as much as he was used to the
traditional corporate culture. I'm not sure if he is still working here,
but they didn't get rid of him; instead, they saw it as their failure to
properly acclimate him to his role, and what was expected of him.

One of the big issues internally here is preserving our culture
as we grow (we hit our 4,000th employee last week!). There is a campaign
entitled "Bring the Wack Back" started by senior leadership to help
ensure that we never lose what makes us special and become just another
boring company.


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Fun with LabelRIGHT...

[Kurt Wendt]

...NOT!
 
Just curious to know if anyone here ever worked with LabelRight.
Although, to be more specific - I actually have to work with the DOS
version 2.97 - which makes matters worse. And, to top it all of - a
buddy of mine whose worked here for YEARS claims nobody knows where the
SW came from (almost like it "Fell of a Truck") - so, needless to say -
there are NO Manuals in our office to be found. And, when using the
stuff - it constantly refers you to the manual for further explainations
or Codes. And - MAN is this Frustrating - trying to work with this stuff
- with no manual. And, I probably know the stuff the best now. I do work
with it and update labels. But now that I need to create a more complex
label - I'm running into a Number of problems. 
 
My buddy - when I asked about the manuals - he only tells me that this
old guy (who left about a year ago or more - due to cancer) - was really
the main person who would do all the Labels with it - and HE was the one
who knew the whole thing! But, he's no longer available to ask questions
of...
 
Anyway - sorry for the Rant - just a little frustrated here...
 

Thanks,

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RE: Fun with LabelRIGHT...

[Kurt Wendt]

 Yeah - I was there at that website - before I posted my message below. But, as 
I mentioned before - I don't know how they got the SW here - they just work 
with it. And, they distribute it to all their clients. So - we still have a 
BUNCH of them using it - and I know the clients are not willing to all of a 
sudden pay out money for this. Plus - then all the labels would probably have 
to be converted. 

Long story short - I just figured out a bunch of my problems - since I was 
working out of a C: drive label directory - but, had not realized when the 
program starts up - that it has it hardcoded within it - to look at the M: 
drive. So - although I THOUGHT I was working on a Label on my C: drive - it was 
NOT actually that one I was modifying. So - I got that worked out - and I am 
back on track with this stuff.

Thanks for reading my Rant Michael!
-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:09 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Fun with LabelRIGHT...

Why not just buy the latest copy? 

http://www.barcodehq.com/lrwindows.html 



- Original Message -
From: Kurt Wendt 
To: profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: Fun with LabelRIGHT...

...NOT!

Just curious to know if anyone here ever worked with LabelRight.
Although, to be more specific - I actually have to work with the DOS version 
2.97 - which makes matters worse. And, to top it all of - a buddy of mine whose 
worked here for YEARS claims nobody knows where the SW came from (almost like 
it "Fell of a Truck") - so, needless to say - there are NO Manuals in our 
office to be found. And, when using the stuff - it constantly refers you to the 
manual for further explainations or Codes. And - MAN is this Frustrating - 
trying to work with this stuff
- with no manual. And, I probably know the stuff the best now. I do work with 
it and update labels. But now that I need to create a more complex label - I'm 
running into a Number of problems. 

My buddy - when I asked about the manuals - he only tells me that this old guy 
(who left about a year ago or more - due to cancer) - was really the main 
person who would do all the Labels with it - and HE was the one who knew the 
whole thing! But, he's no longer available to ask questions of...

Anyway - sorry for the Rant - just a little frustrated here...


Thanks,

-K-



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[NF] Finding an Old Friend...

[Kurt Wendt]

OK - I know that this might almost be considered an [OT] type posting -
but, I think its still Tech related - since I am hoping to use the Net
to track this person down.
 
You see - there is this buddy of mine - and, almost EVERY Time we are
together (which we don't get to hang out together that often these days)
- we always ponder what happened to this old College buddy of ours. And
- over the years - I had attempted on several occasions to track him
down - but, always with no luck!  He got his Law degree at this college
- New England Law - and I even contacted them - to see if they could
help me track him down - via the Alumni listing. But, still no luck. 
 
Of course, part of the problem is that he has such a Bloody Common name
here in the US - namely: Steve Brown. Although also referred to as
Stephen.
 
I know he went to that Law school, and we initially met up with him at
the State Univ on NY in Buffalo. I also know he grew up Yonkers - above
NYC. But - that's pretty much about it. 
 
So - I was just thinking about him - and some of the Off-Topic postings
here - and was curious if anyone here could point me to some kind of
good suggestion about using the Web to track him down. And - see - it IS
Tech related...
 
TIA,
Kurt
 

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Happy New Year to U ALL!

[Kurt Wendt]

I hope the New Year brings good things to all of you. Its been another
great year here on the ProFox group - meeting so many helpful people -
and also some nice humorous banter. 
 
Wish you all the best of luck for next year. I hope to be producing more
things with my Bot - including a Table Lamp I am designing (a rather
kind of exotic type of lamp). To see what I mean about my Bot - which is
all about rapid prototyping - and affordably doing it at home - you can
check out my YouTube video (and do click on the Google Pop-up ads, to
help support my work in creating these videos):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjW0JJFWQQg

 

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RE: I'm a moron

[Kurt Wendt]

Paul - you're killing me with the suspense - since I really WANT to know
why you consider yourself to be a Moron!

I even looked in the Archives - since I don't receive [OT] messages -
and I wanted to know your answer. But, the only message that appeared
when I did the search is your Non-OT posts.

So???

:-)
-K- 

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On Behalf Of Paul McNett
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 6:27 PM

Oops, should have been [OT], but I clicked the wrong address. Why?
Because I'm a moron.


On 1/5/12 3:26 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> What kind of moron am I?

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RE: foreward from Les Pinter's upcoming book

[Kurt Wendt]

For anybody else on here who has not already read this Foreward - you
should do yourself a favor and give it a read! Its really is FASCINATING
Stuff. I finally got around to it (had the webpage up on my screen here
at work for several weeks now) - and I'm like 2/3 the way thru it. And,
it really is Fabulous. Sure makes me want to get the whole book!

-K- 

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Subject: Re: foreward from Les Pinter's upcoming book

On 12/20/11 09:17, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> http://www.pinter.com/Foreword.aspx
>
> It's his foreward and mentions his very interesting past, including of

> course FoxPro.  I really enjoyed reading it.  You might too.

Fascinating.  He do go on a bit, don't he?

Dan


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An Issue w/Labels...

[Kurt Wendt]

In all my years of work in VFP - I've almost never needed to use the
Label type Form. Here at my day job - we implemented certain labels -
but using the Report Form. And then we print to a Thermal Printer.
However, there are older clients of our that use Labels we've done using
this crappy LabelRight stuff - and, I say Crappy - cause I'm stuck using
an old DOS version of this program to do it - since THAT is what is
already installed at a bunch of our clients.
 
So - now there is this Trading Partner that we are setting up EDI for a
BUNCH of our Clients. And, this particular Trading Partner is SUPER
Picky about stuff - both in the EDI data being sent back - as well as
the labels. 
 
For several of the clients (5 of them are getting this new Trading
Partner installed) - 2 of them have the LabelRight setup for labels. The
problem is - I can NOT properly control Font sizes in this old Arse
LabelRight stuff.
 
So - I thought I would try and implement the label purely via VFP. I
would do the Report Form version - except the labels have to go out to a
Laser Jet printer - and I didn't think that the Report Form would let me
print 4 labels on a page - 2 across & 2 down. So - that's why I turned
to the Label Forms instead.
 
However, when I tried to do this. I set up a sample label using the
Wizard - and while in the Wizrd I setup a label layout - since the
listed Avery ones did NOT show a 4"x6" at 2 columns. 
 
In the end - as part of the test - I have 4 records of data in my temp
label DBF file. But, when I print - it only prints 2 labels across the
top of the page. It doesn't print the 3rd or 4th ones at all - not even
a chopped off version. 
 
I'm obviously doing something wrong - its just that I don't have much
experience with the Labels w/in VFP to know what the Heck I am doing
wrong...
 
Anyone have a clue?
 

Thanks,

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RE: An Issue w/Labels...

[Kurt Wendt]

Thanks Tracy.

After I sent my request for help - I decided to look around in the
Report Writer anyway - and that's when I noticed I COULD do multiple
columns. So - I actually did that - and things are kinda working. I'm
still playing around with it. Strange though - since then it seems like
there is no need for the Label Writer - since it seems the Report Writer
Does it ALL!

:-)
-K- 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Tracy Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:10 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: An Issue w/Labels...

Kurt Wendt wrote on 2012-01-10: 
  
>  
>  I'm obviously doing something wrong - its just that I don't have much

> experience with the Labels w/in VFP to know what the Heck I am doing  
> wrong...
>  
>  Anyone have a clue?
> 
>  Thanks,
>   -K-
> 

Kurt,

Use the standard report. Set it to 2 columns, set the detail band to a
static height of the specific size.

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software


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RE: An Issue w/Labels...

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey there Matthew,

Yeah - I know - a bit of EDI is about being picky. But, I've been here
for over 3 years now - and this one particular TP is  really, REALLY
PICKY! They ask for stuff in the EID files that never gets required -
or, in the case of the Label - picky about certain things that others
generally do NOT complain about. For the others - its ususally about
quality of Barcodes - or font sizes of the main data. But, in this case
- they also complain about font sizes of the Data Field Labels on the
Labels. Its just pretty muts. 

And - yeah - since our clients used this LabelRight before - and have
all their label stock as Legal Sized paper with 4 labels (2x2) - which I
did mention below - that's kinda what I am stuck with.

AT this point - the one issue on the label is that it prints an extra
page - which it should not. I suspect that some data or a line is going
over some kinda limit - and that's causing the printing of an extra
page. But - so far - I have not been able to find out what part is the
bad part. Am still playing around with it though...

-K-

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On Behalf Of Jarvis, Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:18 PM

> So - now there is this Trading Partner that we are setting up EDI for 
> a BUNCH of our Clients. And, this particular Trading Partner is SUPER 
> Picky about stuff - both in the EDI data being sent back - as well as 
> the labels.
> 

That goes with the territory EDI is all about being very PICKY


> So - I thought I would try and implement the label purely via VFP. I 
> would do the Report Form version - except the labels have to go out to
a
> Laser Jet printer - and I didn't think that the Report Form would let
me
> print 4 labels on a page - 2 across & 2 down. So - that's why I turned

> to the Label Forms instead.

You didn't say (or I missed it) that you are locked into doing multiple
column labels i.e. not a single label per row on one long skinny sheet
like the thermals do it...

If you can, try and go single wide... otherwise you will end up with
pages and pages of partial unprinted labels...

Thanks,
Matthew

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RE: An Issue w/Labels...

[Kurt Wendt]

I'm still trying to get this label to work right. It seems that no
matter what I do - it just keeps printing the extra blank page after the
labels are printed. In my test file I have 4 records. I even went and
made a copy of the Label/Report form - deleted ALL the data except 3
items towards the top & middle of the label - and STILL it prints the
Blank Page! I figured if I deleted almost all the data - so there is NO
Data or graphic lines near an Edge - then I should not have the problem.


So - I'm kinda STUMPED...

-K-

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On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:24 PM

...AT this point - the one issue on the label is that it prints an extra
page - which it should not. I suspect that some data or a line is going
over some kinda limit - and that's causing the printing of an extra
page. But - so far - I have not been able to find out what part is the
bad part. Am still playing around with it though...

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Jarvis, Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:18 PM

> So - now there is this Trading Partner that we are setting up EDI for 
> a BUNCH of our Clients. And, this particular Trading Partner is SUPER 
> Picky about stuff - both in the EDI data being sent back - as well as 
> the labels.
> 

That goes with the territory EDI is all about being very PICKY


> So - I thought I would try and implement the label purely via VFP. I 
> would do the Report Form version - except the labels have to go out to
a
> Laser Jet printer - and I didn't think that the Report Form would let
me
> print 4 labels on a page - 2 across & 2 down. So - that's why I turned

> to the Label Forms instead.

You didn't say (or I missed it) that you are locked into doing multiple
column labels i.e. not a single label per row on one long skinny sheet
like the thermals do it...

If you can, try and go single wide... otherwise you will end up with
pages and pages of partial unprinted labels...

Thanks,
Matthew

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RE: An Issue w/Labels...

[Kurt Wendt]

Thanks Mike - but, you can forget about my problem. Don't know how it
happened - but, somehow the width of the label within the Page Setup -
was actually set to a FRACTION More than 4 - and that was the problem. I
just found it - fixed it - and now no more blank page!

Or - as Michael Madigan would say in regards to my last LabelRight
question - the answer was "Behind the Milk"!

So - All's well that ends well...

:-)
-K- 

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Subject: Re: An Issue w/Labels...

On 1/10/2012 4:05 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> I'm still trying to get this label to work right. It seems that no 
> matter what I do - it just keeps printing the extra blank page after 
> the labels are printed. In my test file I have 4 records. I even went 
> and made a copy of the Label/Report form - deleted ALL the data except

> 3 items towards the top&  middle of the label - and STILL it prints 
> the Blank Page! I figured if I deleted almost all the data - so there 
> is NO Data or graphic lines near an Edge - then I should not have the
problem.
>
> So - I'm kinda STUMPED...


Have you checked the printer settings in Windows?
--
Mike Babcock, MCP

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RE: Design question for optimizing subset of data for editing.

[Kurt Wendt]

Yeah Michael - I think a SET FILTER is one of the Slowest methods you could 
use. Unless you can based the Filter on an Index - and have it Rushmore 
optimized.

However - I see no reason why you can't do as you suggested - making a Local 
Index - or more specifally, a Temporary Filtered Index. Even though it will 
take more time up front - once the Index is created - then it should be fast 
enough!

-K- 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:21 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Design question for optimizing subset of data for editing. 

We've just converted an old FPW 2.5 program to VFP 9.0.

The program uses a form that modifies the main database.   I am not using a SQL 
statement to generate a subset of accounts to work on, i am directly using the 
database using an "edit" button to lock the record I want to work on.  

We currently allow the user to select a subset of the data by using filters and 
indexes.  

Right now a user can select accounts to work on by client and by status, so 
they can say "give me all the accounts with client 10006 and status 100.   To 
increase performance, each status has an associated index,   like "index on 
status tag status 100 for status='100'. 

The client wants to now allow the user to select accounts by client, status, 
and now plan#.   The question is, what is the best way to select that data 
without running a SQL select?   The current method of selecting tags and 
filters is now too slow.


One thought would be to create an index of client id + status + plan but what 
is the best method for optimizing that given that the user can choose one, two, 
or three of those criteria?   So I can use "Set filter to 
client_id+status+plan='10006100123'  but how would I do it if I want client 
1006 with every status and plan 123? 

What if I created 6 different indexes so I can have all the combinations of 
client_id, status, and plan? 

So if the user wants all the accounts where status='100', client='10006' and 
plan= '123'  Would there be an optimized way of setting a filter?   Creating a 
local index on the fly?

Again, if I were writing this program from scratch, I would use SQL select 
statements to create a subset of the database, but I don't really have an 
option to re-write the program at this time.    

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RE: Exporting a memo field to an Excel spreadsheet

[Kurt Wendt]

Hi John,

I agree with Fred - that Automation is one option. Although, I think
that in doing so (which I HAVE done before) - there are a number of
downsides to doing so (which others in the group have mentioned some of
them in the past):

1 - The learning curve - if you've never done it before.
2 - The machine you run the program on must obviously have EXCEL on it
to run. If someone was to try and run it - to produce the Excel file -
to send that file to someone - they could NOT do it without Excel being
on that machine. 
3 - This also becomes a problem if the App runs on a server - which
someone logs into - and the server does not have Excel installed. 
4 - But, the main downside I have heard complains about from others -
and experienced myself - is that this method is actually SLOW. 

Anyway - that's mostly an FYI and YMMV. 

Another option - look thru all the data you are about to export, and
find the Maximum length of the content of the Memo fields to export.
Then, if need be - convert it to Multiple Character fields. Hopefully
that makes sense...

Goodluck!
-K-


-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of John J. Mihaljevic
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:17 PM

Hi all,

I have a VFP table that includes (among other fields) two memo fields.
The
user wants to export the table to an Excel spreadsheet. Easy enough to
do,
but it doesn't take the memo fields. I considered copying the text to a
character field, but because of the length limitation, it truncates the
data.

Is there a way to do this?
Thanks!
John

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RE: [NF] Dabo grabs the headlines!

[Kurt Wendt]

An interesting article. But, I suspect you gave us this link more in the
name of humor - since it has nothing to do with the Dabo programming
language U work with. Right? Or am I wrong???

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:37 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Dabo grabs the headlines!

OK, so this is from over a year ago, but someone just pointed it
out to me:
"DABO Software Makes Buildings More Energy-Efficient"
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science/story/3465
;-)
-- Ed Leafe

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RE: [NF] Dabo grabs the headlines!

[Kurt Wendt]

Yeah - I did. Just figured I would confirm. Since in the article they
talk about it being SW that they have been developing for a little
while. Guess its kinda funny that there is more than ONE Dabo SW on the
planet!

:-)
-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Dabo grabs the headlines!

On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:

> An interesting article. But, I suspect you gave us this link more in
the
> name of humor - since it has nothing to do with the Dabo programming
> language U work with. Right? Or am I wrong???

Did you notice the smiley at the end of my post?
-- Ed Leafe

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RE: [NF] Dabo grabs the headlines!

[Kurt Wendt]

Mike - maybe that would be a possibility - except the OTHER Dabo is in
Canada - so Ed should not have a problem. Since I think you CAN have the
same product name as long as they each stay on THEIR Side of the Border!

:-)

And - Mike - thanks for connecting up on FaceBook - so now I at least
know what you look like!!!

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:48 AM

On 2/1/2012 9:37 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
>   OK, so this is from over a year ago, but someone just pointed it
out to me:
>
> "DABO Software Makes Buildings More Energy-Efficient"
>
> http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science/story/3465

You & Paul finally made the big time!  Oh wait..will they sue you to

change YOUR product name?
-- 
Mike Babcock, MCP

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RE: [NF] Dabo grabs the headlines!

[Kurt Wendt]

Ah, well - I've scarier! This person I saw on the train the other day -
they almost made me shiver in my shoes!

:-)

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [NF] Dabo grabs the headlines!

On 2/2/2012 12:51 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> And - Mike - thanks for connecting up on FaceBook - so now I at least
> know what you look like!!!
>

Scary, isn't it?  lol

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RE: Debugger - Source Not Available

[Kurt Wendt]

Actually - I not only did a rebuild of the project, and of the EXE - I also 
attempted to build it as an APP - and run that. But, still the same problem.

I am, however, going to right now check into some of the suggestions from 
Richard - and see if I can make it work right...

Thanks again,
-K-


-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On 
Behalf Of Desmond Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:05 PM

If I remember correctly,  if you make a change to one of the programs
and don't rebuild the project that will occurr or some combination of
the above

Regards,
Desmond.

On 2 February 2012 15:57, Richard Kaye  wrote:
> I'm assuming you're working in a debug environment as opposed to production.
>
> Is the path to where your source code is located in the search path of your 
> EXE? If not, can you use a CONFIG.FPW file to set your path at runtime?
>
> Is your project set to include DEBUG info? (See the project options.)
>
> --
> rk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:52 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Debugger - Source Not Available
>
> OK - here at my day job - most times I am working on older style systems
> - even the screen continue to look like FoxPro for DOS with White Text on 
> Blue Screens. Its pretty scary to be in the year 2012 - but, still almost 
> stuck in the DOS of DOS Circa 1989. And, as such, most of the coding I do is 
> purely PRG's with VERY Few Graphical Screen work.
>
> However, on occasion - I get to be lucky enough to work on a separate project 
> that is purely VFP, with regular graphical screens, a normal VFP menu - and 
> getting to compile an EXE.
>
> Now - normally, when working with PRG/FXP's - I almost never come across this 
> problem - as stated in the Subject. However, when compiling an EXE and 
> running it - I have at times run into this problem. I put a Set Step On in a 
> program or a screen/Form - and when its running (I start running the EXE from 
> within a session of VFP) - I get the error in the Debugger
> of:
>            Source Not Available
>
>
>
> I'm getting it now - and its frustrated me so - that I decided I would post 
> the problem here!
>
>
> Any thought?
>
> TIA,
>  -K-

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RE: Debugger - Source Not Available

[Kurt Wendt]

As for the Env. - I'm building the App in our office, and when its done
- it will be sent to the client. It's a new App for the client, but
based upon an older one used for other clients (its for UCC Label
printing).

I did just now set the project to include DEBUG info - with the project
options - but that didn't help.

Am going to look into the other suggestions you made - like the search
path & Config file.

-K-

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On Behalf Of Richard Kaye
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:57 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Debugger - Source Not Available

I'm assuming you're working in a debug environment as opposed to
production.

Is the path to where your source code is located in the search path of
your EXE? If not, can you use a CONFIG.FPW file to set your path at
runtime?

Is your project set to include DEBUG info? (See the project options.)

--
rk


-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:52 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Debugger - Source Not Available

OK - here at my day job - most times I am working on older style systems
- even the screen continue to look like FoxPro for DOS with White Text
on Blue Screens. Its pretty scary to be in the year 2012 - but, still
almost stuck in the DOS of DOS Circa 1989. And, as such, most of the
coding I do is purely PRG's with VERY Few Graphical Screen work.

 

However, on occasion - I get to be lucky enough to work on a separate
project that is purely VFP, with regular graphical screens, a normal VFP
menu - and getting to compile an EXE.

 

Now - normally, when working with PRG/FXP's - I almost never come across
this problem - as stated in the Subject. However, when compiling an EXE
and running it - I have at times run into this problem. I put a Set Step
On in a program or a screen/Form - and when its running (I start running
the EXE from within a session of VFP) - I get the error in the Debugger
of:

Source Not Available

 

I'm getting it now - and its frustrated me so - that I decided I would
post the problem here!

 

Any thought?

TIA,

 -K-

 

Senior Developer

Waitex Information System, Inc.

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RE: Debugger - Source Not Available

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Jerry - that worked like a BREEZE! I should have been working that way from 
the Start.

We normally have this Printer application installed in a C: drive location, so 
that's the way I was working with it and testing it. 

But, I now ran it from the Network location where I was working on it - and now 
I can see the Code just FINE in the Debugger!

As usual - this List ROCKS - Thank you Jerry - as well as YOU ED - For Creating 
& Hosting this list!!!

Now I can end my day on an upswing!

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Foote
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:42 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Debugger - Source Not Available

Save your compiled exe to the same folder where the .pjx is located.
Change to the folder you want to run the program and then run the exe from
the folder where the .pjx is located

Jerry

-Original Message-
From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:15 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Debugger - Source Not Available

Actually - I not only did a rebuild of the project, and of the EXE - I also
attempted to build it as an APP - and run that. But, still the same problem.

I am, however, going to right now check into some of the suggestions from
Richard - and see if I can make it work right...

Thanks again,
-K-


-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Desmond Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:05 PM

If I remember correctly,  if you make a change to one of the programs
and don't rebuild the project that will occurr or some combination of
the above

Regards,
Desmond.

On 2 February 2012 15:57, Richard Kaye  wrote:
> I'm assuming you're working in a debug environment as opposed to
production.
>
> Is the path to where your source code is located in the search path of
your EXE? If not, can you use a CONFIG.FPW file to set your path at runtime?
>
> Is your project set to include DEBUG info? (See the project options.)
>
> --
> rk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:52 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Debugger - Source Not Available
>
> OK - here at my day job - most times I am working on older style systems
> - even the screen continue to look like FoxPro for DOS with White Text on
Blue Screens. Its pretty scary to be in the year 2012 - but, still almost
stuck in the DOS of DOS Circa 1989. And, as such, most of the coding I do is
purely PRG's with VERY Few Graphical Screen work.
>
> However, on occasion - I get to be lucky enough to work on a separate
project that is purely VFP, with regular graphical screens, a normal VFP
menu - and getting to compile an EXE.
>
> Now - normally, when working with PRG/FXP's - I almost never come across
this problem - as stated in the Subject. However, when compiling an EXE and
running it - I have at times run into this problem. I put a Set Step On in a
program or a screen/Form - and when its running (I start running the EXE
from within a session of VFP) - I get the error in the Debugger
> of:
>            Source Not Available
>
>
>
> I'm getting it now - and its frustrated me so - that I decided I would
post the problem here!
>
>
> Any thought?
>
> TIA,
>  -K-

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RE: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

[Kurt Wendt]

I wish I could see the video right now. But, of course - here at work -
YouTube is Blocked.

A number of years ago I read a great fiction book by Crichton - which
was great - called Prey - and it had to do with swarms of Nanoparticles.
It was also cool - since he got VERY Much into the Techy side of things
- and even involving programming. So - even though its fiction - I think
some of you here may get a kick out of it:

http://www.amazon.com/Prey-Michael-Crichton/dp/0066214122/ref=sr_1_7?s=b
ooks&ie=UTF8&qid=1328646373&sr=1-7

As for me - I will have to try and view this Swarm video at home!

-K-
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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:23 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

The noise would be bad enough. Not sure about the size though. Don't
think 
they would have a large payload. Which is also another reason to think
they 
are controlled externally.
Al

-Original Message- 
From: Michael Madigan

How would you like a swarm of those coming at you, each carrying an 
explosive charge?


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RE: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

[Kurt Wendt]

Excellent - as I am SURE you will Enjoy it!

If I remember right - I think he even put a chunk of computer code into the 
text of the novel - as part of the story. So - a fiction book like this should 
really thrill most programmers - at least those like myself who like reading 
Kick Arse Fiction!

-K-
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Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:43 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

I found it on uk for £1.25 so I will try it.
Al

-Original Message- 
From: Kurt Wendt
A number of years ago I read a great fiction book by Crichton - which
was great - called Prey - and it had to do with swarms of Nanoparticles.
It was also cool - since he got VERY Much into the Techy side of things
- and even involving programming. So - even though its fiction - I think
some of you here may get a kick out of it:

http://www.amazon.com/Prey-Michael-Crichton/dp/0066214122/ref=sr_1_7?s=b
ooks&ie=UTF8&qid=1328646373&sr=1-7



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RE: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

[Kurt Wendt]

This really does sound like the stuff from the Prey novel. 

If I'm not mistaken - within the novel he speaks about how the
Nano-particles do the swarming - and I think its AI in the particles
that makes each particle aware of the particles around it. Which I think
may be what they might be doing with the things in the Video (man - I am
dying to see that now!)...

-K-

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dan Covill
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

On 02/07/12 11:58, Allen wrote:
> Its possible they are similar to the AR drone controlled by ipads. so
they
> will be controlled by a computer. Its also possible is fake and does
not
> exist.
> Al
>
> -Original Message-
>
> Watching the vid, I got the impression they had embedded sensors to
keep
> their distance from each other.
>
I very much doubt it's a fake - it's from a University with a professor 
credited, so it's most likely a robotics class project.

Good point about keeping their distance.  Not difficult to make a 
program to tell them where to go, much more difficult to tell whether 
they did it or not!

Dan Covill

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RE: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Al - I wonder if someone just mis-informed you. There is this guy -
he's been around for Years now - and he makes AMAZING Stuff - where he
composes music, and he has special programs he's written that then uses
the music to Drive the Amazing 3D animations. Was that the stuff you
spoke of below? The website for this guy (and his co. is now located in
upstate NY in my hometown of Cortland):
http://www.animusic.com/

-K-


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On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:51 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
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I seem to remember a really great vid of a musical instrument made they
said 
in a college, I think. With ball bearing hitting things. Turns out that
was 
a fake. One thing, I think these beasts have a very limited batter life 
span. Making them fun for a few minutes and hours of recharge.
Al

-Original Message- 

Good point about keeping their distance.  Not difficult to make a
program to tell them where to go, much more difficult to tell whether
they did it or not!

Dan Covill 


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RE: [NF] a swarm of quadrotors

[Kurt Wendt]

A VERY Early version of the AniMusic stuff was just these Drums - and
these balls bouncing onto them in the animnation. The newer stuff looks
more Hi-Tech, and much more CG Colorful. But, the very early stuff was
more simplistic renderings - but, also more realistic. So - it still
makes me think what you saw was that. But, I'd be curious to know WHERE
you saw this. Although - maybe its too late to actually get that link...

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:10 PM
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No its not that. It looked like a real machine where the drums were ball

bearings hitting things.
It looked real but wasnt
Al

-Original Message- 
From: Kurt Wendt

Hey Al - I wonder if someone just mis-informed you. There is this guy -
he's been around for Years now - and he makes AMAZING Stuff - where he
composes music, and he has special programs he's written that then uses
the music to Drive the Amazing 3D animations. Was that the stuff you
spoke of below? The website for this guy (and his co. is now located in
upstate NY in my hometown of Cortland):
http://www.animusic.com/ 

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RE: [NF] Google to offer gigabit-speed internet in the US.

[Kurt Wendt]

Pete - I don't think that kind of Comment from you is advisable in this
particular message thread - as you are NOW going to push this into [OT]
territory - and that's AFTER you posted an [OT] message here yesterday
by mistake AGAIN!

So - please be more careful of the [OT] stuff - just a friendly
suggestion...

:-)
-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:50 AM

Bill Arnold wrote:
> Alan,
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8509110.stm
>>
>> They're creating their own proprietary internet, you wait and see. 
> 
> It seems there are several big players, including those at the country
level
> (Iran, China, others) who are moving in the direction of fragmenting
the
> Internet as we know it today. Another example:
>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870414010457505762164927015
4.ht
> ml?mod=WSJ-hpp-MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
> There are 2 possible roads ahead: one that serves people, and the
other 
> that serves power. 

Hi Bill,
Judging from your previous pontifications on *that* topic, you will want

it to serve *people* in China and *power* in the US.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
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RE: [NF] Google to offer gigabit-speed internet in the US.

[Kurt Wendt]

Yeah - Pete - I saw his posting the other day - during the Swiss Guy
e-mail flame wars! That was actually entertaining to read!!!   :-)

But, anyway - was just hoping to try to steer clear of slanderous
comments here in the NF list. But, alas - it has failed - and this
thread rapidly went down! Oh what fun we have here in our little
group...

HA!
-K-

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On Behalf Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:31 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Google to offer gigabit-speed internet in the US.

Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Pete - I don't think that kind of Comment from you is advisable in
this
> particular message thread - as you are NOW going to push this into
[OT]
> territory - and that's AFTER you posted an [OT] message here yesterday
> by mistake AGAIN!
> 
> So - please be more careful of the [OT] stuff - just a friendly
> suggestion...
> 
> :-)

Hi Kurt,

Thanks, friend, I appreciate it. If you saw his post the other day about

"free Internet in China" or words to that effect, you would see the 
relevance of my post today. This is coming from a man who has suggested 
Internet censorship in the USA on this forum.

Of course, everything he ever posts is deemed appropriate since he is in

the "ot is OK on nf" clique. Me, though, I get told about it every time 
I reply to his stuff.

Don't worry, I'm used to it. :-)

-- 
Regards,

Pete
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http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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RE: User sends me Access MDB, but I don't have Access

[Kurt Wendt]

Have you tried using OpenOffice - as its Free - and I think there is
something in there that would allow access to Access! Sorry if I sound
redundant...
:-)
-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:11 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: User sends me Access MDB, but I don't have Access

Hmmm...want to open and view screens and data structures, but I don't 
have Access.  Any alternative way to do this?  I mean, is there a cool 
utility like vRunFox for Access to achieve my goal of viewing?

tia!

-- 
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RE: User sends me Access MDB, but I don't have Access

[Kurt Wendt]

Charlie was just suggesting OpenOffice - which I already mentioned. I
use it at home - although, honestly - I haven't tried doing any kind of
Access type stuff with it. But, based upon Charlie's response - it
sounds like its viable...

-K-

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charli...@verizon.net wrote:
> Another potential option (not sure if it was mentioned). OpenOffice
has
> -Charlie

Charlie, was there more to your response?
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[NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey there ProFox gang,

 

I got a bit of a Hardware problem - and I am no HW expert by any stretch
of the imagination. 

 

That being said - I did build from scratch my last 3 PC's - the 1st 2
being Athlon based and my last one going back to the Intel chips.

 

So - here's my problem. About a month or so ago I noticed this problem
with my Desktop PC - that I started finding the PC had shutdown if I
left it on for a while. (Most all of my stuff these days I do on my
Crappy Alienware laptop - so I haven't really truly depended on my
Desktop PC's for a while). Then, a few weeks ago - it would just power
off while I was in the middle of doing things. Finally - recently it
came to the point where the PC would no longer boot at all. When I hit
the power - I hear the fans in the PC come on for about a second or LESS
- and then it stops. So - now its completely dead.

 

Before it completely died - during the time when it would just shut down
after a period of time - I even looked around for some kind of SW that
would analyze HW problem. But, all I was finding was SW to analyze
viruses, adware, bots & such - obviously not what I was looking for. Of
course, now - using SW to try and analyze the problem - its no longer an
option.

 

So - any HW types here - who might have a clue as to what would cause
this kind of problem? Do I start by pulling out Memory sticks? Or could
it be a power supply problem?

 

The PC had been fairly powerful. Some of the spec's are:

Quad Core Q6600 (something like that - not sure - it's a bit old)

WinXP 64 Pro

4 GB Ram (a pair of 2GB sticks)

SATA HD

GForce video card (the original Quadro card died - so I went cheaper)

 

Again - any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

 

Thanks,

Kurt

 



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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Michael - I agree. When it was powering down before - I assumed it was a heat 
problem with the shutting down before. Although, at the time - I didn't know 
how to confirm that was the problem. Thanks for the input...

AT this point - most seem to be pointing to a power supply problem.

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:11 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

Nick is the real expert on hardware, but, it seems to me a power supply problem.

It could have been a heat issue for the system to power down in the middle of 
doing things, but since it won't start up at all now, it sounds like a power 
supply problem.  




--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Kurt Wendt  wrote:

> From: Kurt Wendt 
> Subject: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 2:53 PM
> Hey there ProFox gang,
> 
>  
> 
> I got a bit of a Hardware problem - and I am no HW expert
> by any stretch
> of the imagination. 
> 
>  
> 
> That being said - I did build from scratch my last 3 PC's -
> the 1st 2
> being Athlon based and my last one going back to the Intel
> chips.
> 
>  
> 
> So - here's my problem. About a month or so ago I noticed
> this problem
> with my Desktop PC - that I started finding the PC had
> shutdown if I
> left it on for a while. (Most all of my stuff these days I
> do on my
> Crappy Alienware laptop - so I haven't really truly
> depended on my
> Desktop PC's for a while). Then, a few weeks ago - it would
> just power
> off while I was in the middle of doing things. Finally -
> recently it
> came to the point where the PC would no longer boot at all.
> When I hit
> the power - I hear the fans in the PC come on for about a
> second or LESS
> - and then it stops. So - now its completely dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Before it completely died - during the time when it would
> just shut down
> after a period of time - I even looked around for some kind
> of SW that
> would analyze HW problem. But, all I was finding was SW to
> analyze
> viruses, adware, bots & such - obviously not what I was
> looking for. Of
> course, now - using SW to try and analyze the problem - its
> no longer an
> option.
> 
>  
> 
> So - any HW types here - who might have a clue as to what
> would cause
> this kind of problem? Do I start by pulling out Memory
> sticks? Or could
> it be a power supply problem?
> 
>  
> 
> The PC had been fairly powerful. Some of the spec's are:
> 
> Quad Core Q6600 (something like that - not sure - it's a
> bit old)
> 
> WinXP 64 Pro
> 
> 4 GB Ram (a pair of 2GB sticks)
> 
> SATA HD
> 
> GForce video card (the original Quadro card died - so I
> went cheaper)
> 
>  
> 
> Again - any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kurt
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

I can't imagine it would be Virus related - since the computer can't
even power up for any SW to actually start running! Unless there is some
kind of HW virus I don't know about...   :-)

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:17 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

Either a weak power supply or a virus. Power supplies cost from $25.00
to 
$75.00. You can get them cheap on eBay and test it.


- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kurt Wendt" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...


> Hey there ProFox gang,
>
>
>
> I got a bit of a Hardware problem - and I am no HW expert by any
stretch
> of the imagination.
>
>
>
> That being said - I did build from scratch my last 3 PC's - the 1st 2
> being Athlon based and my last one going back to the Intel chips.
>
>
>
> So - here's my problem. About a month or so ago I noticed this problem
> with my Desktop PC - that I started finding the PC had shutdown if I
> left it on for a while. (Most all of my stuff these days I do on my
> Crappy Alienware laptop - so I haven't really truly depended on my

>
> So - any HW types here - who might have a clue as to what would cause
> this kind of problem? Do I start by pulling out Memory sticks? Or
could
> it be a power supply problem?
>


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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Nope - not an option. I was actually going to try booting to a CD or
something - but, when I push the power button - the fans go on for a
second or LESS - and then it dies. So - it won't boot at all!

-K-

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On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:21 PM
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:
> Hey there ProFox gang,
-

Can you boot to a dos boot disk or to a CD of linux or a Win Install?

Your problem my not be hardware, This test just takes out the HD as a
problem.
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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

The fan directly on the main Intel chip processor? Is that what you
meant? (I suspect it is!)

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:22 PM

When I had a similar problem it was the fan that had become unseated
Al

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On
Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: 12 February 2010 21:16

Michael - I agree. When it was powering down before - I assumed it was a
heat problem with the shutting down before. Although, at the time - I
didn't
know how to confirm that was the problem. Thanks for the input...

AT this point - most seem to be pointing to a power supply problem.


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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

There was a lot of dust gobbed in the Fan on the Chip - and the other
night while I was looking at the problems - I did blow the dust out of
that fan!

Although - I will have to try it tonite - to see if the fan is actually
spinning - in answer to your question and that of Barry (offline). 


-K-


-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:43 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

Yes I had a lot of problems with the intel fan. Also make sure the fins
below the blades are clear of dust
Al

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On
Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: 12 February 2010 21:29
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

The fan directly on the main Intel chip processor? Is that what you
meant? (I suspect it is!)



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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Thanks Carl - I am definitely going to check into the CPU fan possible
problem this weekend!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Lindner
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:49 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

Recently, I had a similar problem.  The fan was full of dust so was the
heat
sink.  I bought a new fan and heat sink and the thermal compound for the
cpu.  If I remember correctly, it was around a $20 expenditure.

Pulled the cpu cleaned it and put it back together.  Works fine.

Carl

 

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Behalf
Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:53 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

Hey there ProFox gang,

 

I got a bit of a Hardware problem - and I am no HW expert by any stretch
of the imagination. 

 

That being said - I did build from scratch my last 3 PC's - the 1st 2
being Athlon based and my last one going back to the Intel chips.

 



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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Peter - thanks for your extensive reply - as well as to all the others
who have given me input on this problem. So, to follow up on what I
tried this weekend...

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Hart
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:32 AM

>Hi Kurt
>Tried to reply to message sent to my support email address but message
>could not be delivered.

Not sure what happened with that Peter. Although, at my job here - tons
of things are blocked going out - and maybe your e-mail was blocked
coming in! Although, I did CC: that message to my home e-mail, and if
you did try doing a reply via Reply To All - the message should have at
least come thru to my home e-mail. Oh well...


>First of all my experience
>Electronics from 58 to 83 when I turned my attention to Computers.
>I am a qualified computer engineer...

You are Obviously way more of a HW techy than myself - I'm more
of an amateur at the HW stuff - although I am not afraid to get my hands
dirty on it - which is obvious since I built 3 of my own PC's in the
past decade or so. But, once things go bad - then it becomes a little
more complicated for me...

> I am not an amateur,  although the same can't be said of my FoxPro
> Programming/grin

Thanks for that chuckle!

>Now to your problem.
>I understand that you have other Computers available which are working.

Well - that's not completely true. My prior workstation is also
sitting dead - and I haven't tried resuscitating it in a long time!
Although, that being said - I think it may be time to also get that
prior PC running again - and make it available to my son (as he has my
wife's old hand-me-down Dell at 600Mhz - which is FAR slower that my
older dead 2.8Ghz or so PC). But, bringing that older PC back to life
isn't as important as my current system. So - onwards...


>My first line of diagnosis would be to se a power supply tester but as
>this is not available I would take out the suspect Power Supply and
plug
>it into a working computer.  It is not necessary to unplug...
>Cheers
>Peter

That doesn't look like an easy option - since I think the power supply
came with the case - as it's a fancier Antec case - and the wiring from
the power supply looks to be kind of integrated into the case. Anyway -
I shall just relate what I tried so far...

I pulled the Fan/Heatsink combo off the CPU. I cleaned off the Heatsink
and the top of the chip - of the old "epoxy"/heat transfer paste (don't
know the official name of the stuff). I then put on some new "epoxy"
stuff (although its not 'new' - as the tube is old - but, I figured it
would still do the job) and put the Heatsink/Fan back on top - after
first cleaning off a lot of dust in the Fan. 

It was interesting - because - while I left everything else disconnected
(video cable, keyboard, etc.) and just plugged in the power - I turned
it on - and the fans in the system stayed on for an extended period. At
that point - I shut the power off - and then tried powering it back on
again. But, at the 2nd attempt - it went BACK to the old ways - of the
fans coming on for a second or less - then just shutting off.

At this point - I am wondering if I should just go out and get a new CPU
and HeatSink/Fan. 

Or - should I first just try that switching to another Power supply
(trying to take the one from my other Dead PC)?

TIA,
-K-

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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Ha ha Ed - good one!
-K-

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On Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:21 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:

> I learned a long time ago that I am unable to keep up with all of the 
> changes in hardware and for the rare times that I get to see my HW 
> friend it is worth it.
> 
> Go with your strengths as far as I am concerned.


Q: How many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: None! It's a hardware problem.


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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

I have no specific deadline. That's why its been sitting there for
several weeks like it is. And, it was going for like a Month where it
would just Die after being on for a while. 

Although I kinda HATE my laptop (so many stupid problems with it - which
is very annoying for an overprices AlienWare machine) - but, in the end
- it pretty much works - so I just depend on that one. 

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:41 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

How long do you have before you   NEED  to have the PC   working ???

I ask that as I will send you   most likely what you need to fix it  !!!

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On
Behalf Of Kurt Wendt
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:02 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

Peter - thanks for your extensive reply - as well as to all the others
who have given me input on this problem. So, to follow up on what I
tried this weekend...

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Hart
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:32 AM

>Hi Kurt
>Tried to reply to message sent to my support email address but message
>could not be delivered.

Not sure what happened with that Peter. Although, at my job here - tons
of things are blocked going out - and maybe your e-mail was blocked
coming in! Although, I did CC: that message to my home e-mail, and if
you did try doing a reply via Reply To All - the message should have at
least come thru to my home e-mail. Oh well...


>First of all my experience
>Electronics from 58 to 83 when I turned my attention to Computers.
>I am a qualified computer engineer...

You are Obviously way more of a HW techy than myself - I'm more
of an amateur at the HW stuff - although I am not afraid to get my hands
dirty on it - which is obvious since I built 3 of my own PC's in the
past decade or so. But, once things go bad - then it becomes a little
more complicated for me...

> I am not an amateur,  although the same can't be said of my FoxPro
> Programming/grin

Thanks for that chuckle!

>Now to your problem.
>I understand that you have other Computers available which are working.

Well - that's not completely true. My prior workstation is also
sitting dead - and I haven't tried resuscitating it in a long time!
Although, that being said - I think it may be time to also get that
prior PC running again - and make it available to my son (as he has my
wife's old hand-me-down Dell at 600Mhz - which is FAR slower that my
older dead 2.8Ghz or so PC). But, bringing that older PC back to life
isn't as important as my current system. So - onwards...


>My first line of diagnosis would be to se a power supply tester but as
>this is not available I would take out the suspect Power Supply and
plug
>it into a working computer.  It is not necessary to unplug...
>Cheers
>Peter

That doesn't look like an easy option - since I think the power supply
came with the case - as it's a fancier Antec case - and the wiring from
the power supply looks to be kind of integrated into the case. Anyway -
I shall just relate what I tried so far...

I pulled the Fan/Heatsink combo off the CPU. I cleaned off the Heatsink
and the top of the chip - of the old "epoxy"/heat transfer paste (don't
know the official name of the stuff). I then put on some new "epoxy"
stuff (although its not 'new' - as the tube is old - but, I figured it
would still do the job) and put the Heatsink/Fan back on top - after
first cleaning off a lot of dust in the Fan. 

It was interesting - because - while I left everything else disconnected
(video cable, keyboard, etc.) and just plugged in the power - I turned
it on - and the fans in the system stayed on for an extended period. At
that point - I shut the power off - and then tried powering it back on
again. But, at the 2nd attempt - it went BACK to the old ways - of the
fans coming on for a second or less - then just shutting off.

At this point - I am wondering if I should just go out and get a new CPU
and HeatSink/Fan. 

Or - should I first just try that switching to another Power supply
(trying to take the one from my other Dead PC)?

TIA,
-K-

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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

My older PC that died - I think that one was mainly a video card
problem. I think I can try grabbing the PSU out of that one and try it
on the current PC - to see if that will fix the problem...

Although - FYI - during the week - between work and the commute(it's a
12-hour day between leaving in am and returning in pm) - I don't have
much time left to work on HW problems. So, I will probably go back to
more attempts to fix it during the weekend!

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:48 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

Yeah. Try a different power supply. If it still doesn't work, change the

motherboard. I buy all kinds of motherboards for $35.00 to $100.00
depending 
on the performance I want. It takes about an hour to swap out a mother 
board. If you buy exactly the same model, you don't even have to
reinstall 
any software.



- Original Message - 
From: "Virgil Bierschwale" 
To: "'ProFox Email List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...


> Is there a good way to verify that the motherboard is bad..
>
> I've got two here that I've put new power supplies in, only to eat the
> wasted power supply because they still don't work.
> Removed all the components, etc. and reseated them and I'm about 99%
sure
> it's the motherboard, but hate to replace it if its something else..
>


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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Nicholas - I am at my day job. Its easy for me to read and answer a
couple of e-mails, as I can type fast (I can do touch-typing). And, the
PC I speak of is at home. 

My day job kinda burns me out - and on top of that - I have about a 3
hour commuting time. And, when I get home - I have an 8 yr. old son -
whom I like to spend a little time with at night - before he goes off to
bed - and before I have dinner. So - life for me at this time is a bit
of a Rat-Race. 

And - therefore - the reason I can't really get to playing with the HW
stuff until the weekend...

:-(
-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:32 PM

Consider how much time you have spent with these emails. My guess is
that 
they already have taken at least an hour. I know that reading and
answering 
this thread has taken me 15 minutes.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Wendt" 
To: 


> My older PC that died - I think that one was mainly a video card
> problem. I think I can try grabbing the PSU out of that one and try it
> on the current PC - to see if that will fix the problem...
>
> Although - FYI - during the week - between work and the commute(it's a
> 12-hour day between leaving in am and returning in pm) - I don't have
> much time left to work on HW problems. So, I will probably go back to
> more attempts to fix it during the weekend!
>
> -K-

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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Alas - if you had - I never would have been able to read your last
response - since I don't subscribe to OT - since its too many e-mails to
handle here at work - and I fall behind in reading the regular
ProFoxTech e-mails at times as it is...

Well - I guess that's just "Life in the Rat-Race"!
-K-

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On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:23 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

I gues I should have made this [OT]

- Original Message - 
From: "Nicholas Geti" 
To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...


>I used to be in that situation but I am retired now and doing my own
thing.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kurt Wendt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...
>
>
>> Nicholas - I am at my day job. Its easy for me to read and answer a
>> couple of e-mails, as I can type fast (I can do touch-typing). And,
the
>> PC I speak of is at home.
>>
>> My day job kinda burns me out - and on top of that - I have about a 3
>> hour commuting time. And, when I get home - I have an 8 yr. old son -
>> whom I like to spend a little time with at night - before he goes off
to
>> bed - and before I have dinner. So - life for me at this time is a
bit
>> of a Rat-Race.
>>
>> And - therefore - the reason I can't really get to playing with the
HW
>> stuff until the weekend...
>>
>> :-(
>> -K-
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com
[mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
>> On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:32 PM
>>
>> Consider how much time you have spent with these emails. My guess is
>> that
>> they already have taken at least an hour. I know that reading and
>> answering
>> this thread has taken me 15 minutes.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kurt Wendt" 
>> To: 
>>
>>
>>> My older PC that died - I think that one was mainly a video card
>>> problem. I think I can try grabbing the PSU out of that one and try
it
>>> on the current PC - to see if that will fix the problem...
>>>
>>> Although - FYI - during the week - between work and the commute(it's
a
>>> 12-hour day between leaving in am and returning in pm) - I don't
have
>>> much time left to work on HW problems. So, I will probably go back
to
>>> more attempts to fix it during the weekend!
>>>
>>> -K-
>>
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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Oh no - us rats - we do get to scurry about too! 

But, sadly - most days I am so busy here - that I stare at code on the
screen all day and don't get much chance to get out of my chair!

By the way - Jean - what does the "A+" mean - which you always use???

:-)
-K-

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On Behalf Of Jean Laeremans
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:00 AM


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:
> Alas - if you had - I never would have been able to read your last
> response - since I don't subscribe to OT - since its too many e-mails
to
> handle here at work - and I fall behind in reading the regular
> ProFoxTech e-mails at times as it is...
>
> Well - I guess that's just "Life in the Rat-Race"!
> -K-


Please don't tell me you're chained to your chair too...

A+
jml

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RE: [NF] Woe is ME with My DEAD PC...

[Kurt Wendt]

Now that's funny! But, just to clarify - I think you mean "C U L8r"...

;-)
-K-

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On Behalf Of Jean Laeremans
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:18 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Kurt Wendt 
wrote:

> By the way - Jean - what does the "A+" mean - which you always use???
>
French for CU8TER 

A+
jml

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RE: External Menu

[Kurt Wendt]

I know that in one of our systems here - we use the standard VFP Menu at
the top - and within the Main.prg there is a call to an ".MPR" type
file. Isn't it true that you can "compile" a menu - and output some kind
of file like an MPR - and that would be one way to keep the menu
External?

Hopefully my guesses here aren't too far off the mark...

-K-

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:32 PM

On terminal services I keep some programs and classes external so I can 
modify them without having to touch the executable.  I was investigating

keeping a menu external but was unable to do it.  I used the EXTERNAL 
MENU command and tried macro substitution and a whole bunch of other 
things that work with programs and classes; but nothing worked.

Does anyone know of a way to keep a menu out of the project and call it 
from an executable?

TIA
-- 
Jeff

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RE: External Menu

[Kurt Wendt]

Ah - so my MPR suggestion - allowing you to stick with the VFP menu
Designer - led you in the right direction? 
Glad to see you got it worked out!

:-)
-K-

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On Behalf Of Jeff Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:49 PM

Here's what I did:
I used the menu designer to create the menu I want to add to my .exe.  I

told it to add before "Tables" in the main menu.
I tagged the Tables tab as Tables in the main menu menu designer.
I created and external prg called myprogext
I copied and pasted the mpr code of the menu into myprogext
I added more code to myprogext.

I made sure myprogext is excluded from the project but included in the
path.

Works fantastic and allows me to modify the external menu and add 
reports without disrupting the executable on the terminal services.

Jeff

Jeff Johnson
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MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> Stephen Russell wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Allen 
wrote:
>>> When I need this I usually make the menu as I go in code. I it's a
shortcut
>>> simple menu its easy using the class smenu
>> -
>>
>> Can you make a loader for your menu via data in a table or text file?
>>
> That's how Andy Kramek was doing a lot of stuff years ago (and may
still 
> be, afaik).

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RE: Rookie needs next step

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Gary - it looks to me like your doing pretty good with this stuff so far - 
so, I wouldn't necessarily call you a rookie! Myself, for the most part - am 
also self taught in VFP - although I have been with it starting w/Foxbase+, 
many eons ago.
 
There is some decent help within the VFP online help - in regards to Object 
Oriented programming - such as the basics of Methods & Classes. I honestly 
don't do as much with Classes (like making my own - although I did use classes 
made by others in my prior VFP job - and made new sub-classes based upon 
existing ones) - although I do use the Methods constantly now - and I also 
create my own Methods as part of a Form. I do that to use common code - like 
making procedures in the old days - now that code is just inserted into Methods 
that you create!
 
Hope that helps a little - if it wasn't stuff you already knew & worked with.
 
I also liked your Yoda references - my fine young Paduan!
 
L8r,
-K-



From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com on behalf of Gary Jeurink
Sent: Sat 2/20/2010 11:07 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Rookie needs next step



What I was struggling with is using the SELECT [view] correctly. When I
click the page tab I had put my SELECT on the INIT instead of the CLICK
EVENT... Problem solved...

Here are the three buttons with two text boxes ...it works pretty good
[cSearchStr]  FIRST   NEXT   COUNT  [nMatch]

* first
cSearchStr = UPPER(ALLTRIM(cSearchStr))
IF cSearchStr > ' '
  GOTO TOP
  LOCATE FOR cSearchStr $ movbyloc.title
  THISFORM.PAGEFRAME1.PAGE4.GRID1.SETFOCUS()
  THISFORM.PAGEFRAME1.PAGE4.REFRESH
ENDIF 

*next
cSearchStr = UPPER(ALLTRIM(cSearchStr))
IF NOT EOF()
  SKIP
  nCurRec = RECNO()
  DO WHILE NOT (cSearchStr $ songsbyloca.title)
IF NOT EOF()
  SKIP
ELSE
  WAIT WINDOW "No more matches" NOWAIT
  EXIT
ENDIF  
  ENDDO 
ENDIF
THISFORM.PAGEFRAME1.PAGE3.GRID1.SETFOCUS()
THISFORM.REFRESH

* count
GOTO TOP
nMatch = 0
nCurRec = RECNO()
cSearchStr = UPPER(ALLTRIM(cSearchStr))
SCAN
  IF (cSearchStr $ songsbyloca.title)
nMatch = nMatch + 1
IF nMatch = 1
  nCurRec = RECNO()
ENDIF 
  ENDIF
ENDSCAN 
IF nCurRec > 0
  GOTO nCurRec
ENDIF 
THISFORM.PAGEFRAME1.PAGE3.GRID1.SETFOCUS()
THISFORM.PAGEFRAME1.PAGE3.REFRESH


-Original Message-
From: Alan Bourke [mailto:alanpbou...@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:38 AM
To: profox@leafe.com; profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Rookie needs next step

Where are the search buttons exactly Gary ?

--
  Alan Bourke
  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm






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RE: [NF] PyCon 2010 - largest PyCon ever!

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Ed,

I also wanted to chime in here. Its good to see your feedback about this
conference!

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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:07 AM

>   They announced this morning that there are 1,025 
> paid attendees at PyCon Atlanta, making it the largest
> PyCon ever. What's more, nearly 11% were women: while
> this sounds very small, if you've ever been to a tech
> conference, you;ll understand how remarkable that is.

I totally agree with you - that IS Good news! For so very long - it
seems that our industry of techies is mostly populated by guys(myself
included). It's a breath of fresh air to see more gals joining our
ranks. They actually hired here at my job a Very pretty young lady about
5 months ago to program in C# - and she was sitting right next to me.
And, I was overjoyed to have such a pretty cubicle mate - who also
happened to be Smart and a Techie! It was Great! We even went out to
lunch on several occasions - and she was very pleasant company! Too bad
it didn't last - as she ran out of here several weeks ago - and quit the
job - because of the treatment by a fellow programmer. And she refused
to take any more! Oh well, its there Loss here - as she was a VERY Good
programmer, and Very responsive - and many people here really liked
her...


>   Just goes to show that the whole notion that "in-person 
>   conferences are dead" simply isn't true. 
-- Ed Leafe

I also agree with you there. Every year I go to a conference in my other
field - computer graphics - as my other specialty is 3D graphics art.
For me - I look forward to this conference EVERY Year! I get to meet so
many cool people - as well as see really COOL Technology applications
and presentations - as well as the newest and the greatest 2D and 3D
animations in the World - as its an International conference. Next year
will be the 1st time the conference will occur outside the USA - as it
will be held up in Canada. 

Although - sadly enough - the number of attendees - and the overall size
of the conference has been dwindling over the years. I remember about 8
or 10 years ago - which I went to the conference when it was in LA -
there were about 60,000 attendees. Yet, in the past few years when its
in LA (the conference occurs in different cities each year - with past
years being San Diego, Boston & New Orleans to name a few) - the numbers
have only reached about 35K to 40K. (When held in other cities like
Boston or New Orleans - it tends to only get to around 20-23K.) The
reason its so big in LA - is that this area of CA is at the heart of the
movie industry - with Hollywood being there - as well as many of the
biggest Animation studios!

L8r,
-K-

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RE: Test

[Kurt Wendt]

ProFox was down for the count today - I think since some time yesterday
(Sunday) - and I did e-mail Ed about it. I suspect he JUST now got it
working in the last 30 minutes or so!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:05 PM
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Subject: Test

Just testing my new domain mailserver  as I haven't had any emails from
profox today so please ignore!

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