MS Word and VoiceOver

[becky knaub]

Hi all,
Does MS office 2016 work well with VoiceOver? I have office 2011 at the moment 
and it doesn't work very well with voiceover. To the point of it's not useful 
at all. Is there anyway I can make word work better on my Mac? I'm not sure if 
there are any kind of script or anything I can install? Thanks for the help.

Becky 

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Re: The best Mac alternative to MS Office

[Becky Knaub]

Where do you get Open or Libre? I looked on the app store and I can't seem to 
find them.

Becky
On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:05 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I like both open and libri office both of which are free and should handle ms 
> word files  with no problems.  The only dall back is that vo doesn't handle 
> tables very well though.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Deamon David wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks.
>> Since I myself aren't using Office suites that much, I'd like to ask
>> those of you who uses such much for the best solution for Mac?
>> Am I right that we have the options between OpenOffice, LibraOffice
>> and iWork?
>> There are two criterias here: (1) Accessibility, with VoiceOver and
>> (2) that it must handle these MS Office based format as good as
>> possible.
>> Hope there are some help out here :-)
>> Best regards David
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Re: The best Mac alternative to MS Office

[Becky Knaub]

Thanks. I appreciate it. I am downloading Open Office now to give it a try.

Becky
On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:33 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:

> You can get open office from www.openoffice.org.  Libri-office can be found 
> by doing a google search for it as I do not have a site for it off hand.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
>> Where do you get Open or Libre? I looked on the app store and I can't seem 
>> to find them.
>> 
>> Becky
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:05 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I like both open and libri office both of which are free and should handle 
>>> ms word files  with no problems.  The only dall back is that vo doesn't 
>>> handle tables very well though.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Deamon David wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> Since I myself aren't using Office suites that much, I'd like to ask
>>>> those of you who uses such much for the best solution for Mac?
>>>> Am I right that we have the options between OpenOffice, LibraOffice
>>>> and iWork?
>>>> There are two criterias here: (1) Accessibility, with VoiceOver and
>>>> (2) that it must handle these MS Office based format as good as
>>>> possible.
>>>> Hope there are some help out here :-)
>>>> Best regards David
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Re: select all command for the IPhone?

[Becky Knaub]

I don't know if this will help but you could set it so after you get mail from 
your server it deletes the copy it keeps or set ti to keep it for a day or 
week. HTH.

Becky
On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Jessica wrote:

> My e-mail's have still been downloading like mad, as I delete them, even 
> though I open the Mail ap and it does what it needs to do, and I select as 
> many as I can, which only helps somewhat.
>   So, due to my gmail acount downloading months worth of mail at a time, I'm 
> really wondering if there's a select all command, so I can speed up the 
> process, sense there doesn't seem to be any other way around this.  I've done 
> a search inbox command, for a search where I get the most mail, and delete 
> those, which stops them from downloading temporarily, but as soon as those 
> get deleted, it goes right back to doing the same thing all over again, so 
> would love to know if this can be done.
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Re: The best Mac alternative to MS Office

[Becky Knaub]

For those of you who use Open, How do you get VO to tell you what you are 
typing. It does it for all of my other apps but not this one. I hope there's a 
way since I like the setup Open has. Is Libre more accessible?
On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:

> You can get Libre Office through the following URL:
> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
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> On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. I appreciate it. I am downloading Open Office now to give it a try.
>> 
>> Becky
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:33 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>> 
>>> You can get open office from www.openoffice.org.  Libri-office can be found 
>>> by doing a google search for it as I do not have a site for it off hand.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Where do you get Open or Libre? I looked on the app store and I can't seem 
>>>> to find them.
>>>> 
>>>> Becky
>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:05 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like both open and libri office both of which are free and should 
>>>>> handle ms word files  with no problems.  The only dall back is that vo 
>>>>> doesn't handle tables very well though.  HTH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Deamon David wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>> Since I myself aren't using Office suites that much, I'd like to ask
>>>>>> those of you who uses such much for the best solution for Mac?
>>>>>> Am I right that we have the options between OpenOffice, LibraOffice
>>>>>> and iWork?
>>>>>> There are two criterias here: (1) Accessibility, with VoiceOver and
>>>>>> (2) that it must handle these MS Office based format as good as
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>> Hope there are some help out here :-)
>>>>>> Best regards David
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Re: Siri and voice over coexisting not peacefully all the time

[Becky Knaub]

Hi GIGI,
what about turning the speech off by using the three fingered double tap and 
then turning it back on. I don't have a 4s tet because VZ suddenly changed 
there contracts so now I have to wait til October to get Siri. But I have a 
friend who has it and she had the same problem. She does it the way you are 
doing it now.

HTH

Becky and C 
On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Gigi wrote:

>> 
>> Hi guys
> I just had an experience which I would like to bring up. I am having a lot of 
> trouble with pressing the home key to get Siri, and basically crashing Siri. 
> I started turning voiceover off to see if that would help and Siri does work 
> better without voiceover in memory. The only problem might be if Siri brings 
> up a screen that you have to use an voiceover is off. What solutions have any 
> of you guys down for this?
> Regards
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Re: Siri and voice over coexisting not peacefully all the time

[Becky Knaub]

Maybe for the next IOS they need to have a bridge since VO and Siri create a 
feedback loop just like Jaws and Dragon do if you don't have JSAY or the Old 
versions of Kurzweil and JAWS when you had to shut off the speech or it 
crashed. I would let apple know this happens often so they can fix it.

Becky
On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Jessica wrote:

> I actually noticed that as well, but didn't disable voiceover, because I 
> didn't think that was causing it.  I always wondered what was causing it to 
> get so hung up though; appreciate the tidbit.
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> Subject: Siri and voice over coexisting not peacefully all the time
> 
>> 
>> Hi guys
> I just had an experience which I would like to bring up. I am having a lot of 
> trouble with pressing the home key to get Siri, and basically crashing Siri. 
> I started turning voiceover off to see if that would help and Siri does work 
> better without voiceover in memory. The only problem might be if Siri brings 
> up a screen that you have to use an voiceover is off. What solutions have any 
> of you guys down for this?
> Regards
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Libre and Open office

[Becky Knaub]

Hi guys
Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem to 
conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than pages. Did I 
misunderstand this? Thanks.

Becky

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Re: Google eBooks

[Becky Knaub]

Are google ebooks free? How do they work? 

Thanks,
Becky
On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Just be sure that 1. flowed text is available for the book and 2. you you set 
> this option in settings if the book isn't read by VO. Scanned pages are not 
> accessible.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
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> On Mar 8, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> The one I purchased has been accessible on mac using safari and using the 
>> google books app on my iPhone.  The mac experience has been more positive 
>> than the IOS one but they both seem to work fine.
>> 
>> -Greg
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:
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>>> Hello list:
>>> 
>>> Do any of you know whether Google eBooks are accessible with VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
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Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I just 
can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem to find 
the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good suggestions for 
an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't have a boat load of 
accessibility issues? Thanks .

Becky

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Re: Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[Becky Knaub]

No,
Is this program accessible. I know Open office Word needs a lot of improvement. 
Thanks for the suggestion if this program is accessible I will definitely try 
it.

Becky
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> Hi,  Open office calc is not the most stable thing ever, but it's very close 
> to excel in how it works.
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>> Hi All,
>> So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I just 
>> can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem to 
>> find the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good 
>> suggestions for an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't 
>> have a boat load of accessibility issues? Thanks .
>> 
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Re: Learning Spanish

[Becky Knaub]

You and Me both.

Becky and Ceily 
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I would love this information also.  
> 
> I tried a free version of Rosetta Stone and it is totally visual.  
> 
> If you have another way to learn spanish that is auditory I would also love 
> to know what it is so I could start learning myself.
> 
> That was a wonderful question.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Emrah wrote:
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>> Morning listers,
>> 
>> I am looking for an accessible software to learn Spanish.
>> 
>> Do you have any experience?
>> 
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Re: Braille displays

[Becky Knaub]

hi guys,
I didn't ever have the lap top just the old apple 2 e and I just had to cary 
the perkins from class to class in middle and high school until I went to 
overbook. Then I had the computer and the braille window, I loved that display 
even though it was big and the braille lite 40 which I really didn't think was 
that great. I am really curious how you read BRF files as well, what if you 
want to read them with braille and VO? What do you use for Mac with Lion.

Becky and C
On Apr 5, 2012, at 6:14 AM, Gigi wrote:

> Hi guys
> It made me laugh to hear you guys talking about carrying those braille 
> displays around, and the laptops. This is because, I used to carry around and 
> Kappel Apple 2E in a backpack, together with the two disk drives. My dog and 
> I used it to go zapping down Gaston Avenue carrying a backpack, that is I 
> carried a backpack. I used to always carry around the tape-based person 
> braille in a backpack too. We sure have come along way. I'm very glad I don't 
> have to carry all that around these days.
> 
> To make this discussion of mine or related to our topic, I have a question 
> concerning iOS 5.1 Enbrel's place. What is the best way to read DRF files? I 
> seem to remember we had a discussion on this before, but I can't find that 
> discussion. On the Mac, I use TextEdit if I need to read it on the computer. 
> Then, I have to do a transformation to change all the Brille to lowercase. 
> For some reason that I don't understand, all the BRF files I get display in 
> all caps. in. It's no big deal to change it in TextEdit, but I wonder how 
> that's handled on an iPad?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:57 PM, James Mannion  wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know for sure if the refreshabraille is currently working
>> with IOS 5.1? I remember reading about some displays not currently
>> working under 5.1 and can't remember which ones they were.
>> 
>> On 4/4/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> Not to sound mean or anything, *but* :) I remember the days when I carried a
>>> ten-pound laptop around, not to mention the earlier days when I carried a
>>> tape-recorder and two Braille volumes. Should I mention the steam-powered
>>> computer with the coal hopper? (grins)
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I suppose that it depends on what is important to each person. For
>>> me, 40-cell displays are very important, so I don't mind the 1-pound extra
>>> weight.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Slow down; you'll get there faster."
>>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 I have the Refreshabraille and really like it. I would not mind having
 something like 40, but you cannot beat the 18 cells for travel and at
 $1,700 it is a good deal. The build quality is certainly there and I
 gather there are some displays for less, but may not be worth
 consideration.
 
 On Apr 4, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
 
> I would like to jump in for some opinions from those who have purchased a
> Braille Pen, RefreshaBraille or the Perkins nottetaker: I want a Braille
> display, solely for purposes of reading iBooks and Read to Go Books on my
> iPhone. I have always preferred Braille, and miss it terribly, though I
> am thrilled to be able to download a newspaper and listen as I commute.
> As far as I am concerned, I just want something simple and
> straightforward for this purpose. Please feel free to write me off-line
> about this, and if anyone has a link for information comparing the less
> expensive, lightest-weight, portable Braille displays, I would appreciate
> getting it. Thanks.
> (I don't care much about input on the display, just output.)
> 
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The trick to Preview

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Hi Kirsten,
The trick to preview for me is interacting with it like a web page. I am 
running Lion so don't know if that makes a difference or not.
I use this as Pages and Text edit will only read one page at a time and then I 
have to press VO A to get the next page even though that command should read 
the whole document. Someone told me to set my text edit a certain way but that 
doesn't seem to make a difference. anyway Use the VO keys and the right arrow 
to move until you here HTML content and then interact with it.then you can use 
your VO commands like normal.
If you use your VO keys and the left arrow you can go to the list of pages in 
the document and interact with it and choose which page you want.
Just incase anyone wants to know.

HTH

Becky


On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

> Hi all, 
> A few weeks ago, someone asked what was the best way of reading PDFs. I gave 
> some vague response, and though I can't remember who asked, I know it comes 
> up quite often, so, below I list more specific steps. I hope they help 
> whoever wanted to know. 
> 1. Find your document in your folder system. 
> 2. Press VO-M and navigate to the File menu. 
> 3. Go down to the Open With menu. 
> 4. Arrow right and then down to Safari. 
> 5. Leave the document to open-this might take some time if it is large for 
> example-when it starts reading, arrow until you are in the window (rather 
> than in the other web functions such as add to reading list etc). 
> 6. Interact with the window with the VO-Down Arrow-Shift command. 
> 7. If you want to read line by line, try to get your reading setting to 
> 'navigation', otherwise when you use the down arrow, you will be reading via 
> character or word. 
> 8. Use the arrows to read up and down each line. 
> 9. Close or quit when you are finished. 
> N.B.: the default setting for PDFs is Preview, which I personally find hard 
> to access. 
> This has worked for me so far most often. 
> I think I said to use Google Chrome last time I emailed, but I think I should 
> really have said Safari, as Chrome seems not to open the document in the same 
> way-often saying 'empty HTML' which Safari does not. 
> Kind regards 
> Kirsten. 
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Antivirus software for mac

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Hi All,
what app is the most accessible and protective for the mac.

Thanks.

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Antivirus software for the mac

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Hi All,
Thought I sent a message out on this topic a few days ago but never got any 
response, so figure I will try again.

Does anyone know of an anti virus program that is accessible and works well?

Thanks.

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ABBYY Fine reader

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Hi all,
I was wondering if Finereader will read PDF documents or is it just a scanning 
program like kurzweil?

Thanks 

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Olearia

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Hi all,
What website do you download olearia from. I want to read bookshare books on my 
mac and be able to book mark my place.

Thanks.

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Numbers, Can it read column and row titles?

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Hi all this is pretty urgent.
I need to  use numbers to do a class assignment. I need to know if VO can read 
cullumn titles and row titles like JAWS can. Thanks.

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Re: How To Import WebBraille Books Into IBooks

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If there is a back translation program for mac I would love to know about it. I 
miss my bookmarks.

Becky and Ceil
On Apr 20, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

> I'm puzzled. Why not just back translate the brf file? The problem with this 
> method is that you can only read the file in ibooks with a braille display; 
> no ability to listen to the book with voiceover.
> For windows users, there is a free back translation program. Not sure for the 
> Mac.
> If you are a kurzweil user, you can load the brf file into k1000 and it will 
> back translate it. You can then save it at least as a txt file before 
> converting it to pdf or epub.
> 
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Timothy Emmons wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Theresa, i appreciate this, this method is a lot easier than I was 
>> going through the steps with so if you don't mind I am going to share this 
>> with one of my patrons here at the library. I work with the braille 
>> collection here at the Library for the Blind and also handle technology and 
>> alternative reading methods and this goes right up there with what I do 
>> perfectly. Thanks for the trick and I'll pass this along if you don't mind. 
>> I've been using web braille on Itunes but I've been doing it the hard way 
>> using a braille translator, a book converter, like Stanza, and all that 
>> junk, but this makes it easier. Thanks again and take care. Talk to you 
>> soon. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> I don't usually cross-post, but this seems like an instance in which it 
>>> would be beneficial.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to share with you all the way I've successfully imported 
>>> WebBraille books to read in IBooks. There are other methods of reading 
>>> these on the IPhone/IPod, but this method will allow you to keep your place 
>>> in the book when you need to pause reading. I used TextEdit on the Mac to 
>>> open the file and export it to pdf. Check your text-editor's documentation 
>>> on exporting to pdf if you're using another OS or editor.
>>> 
>>> This method will only work with a braille display, and does *not* work with 
>>> speech.
>>> 
>>> I haven't tested it on other brf files, but you might give it a try.
>>> 
>>> 1. Open a brf WebBraille file in TextEdit. If you don't like the uppercase 
>>> dot-7 caps appearing for all of the characters, select all the text, go 
>>> into the edit menu, choose "transformations" and change to lower case. At 
>>> this point, you can check the document with the braille display to see if 
>>> it is readable. Use eight-dot Braille, uncontracted.
>>> 2. From the file menu in TextEdit, choose "export to pdf". In the save 
>>> dialog, you'll be presented with a filename with a pdf extension. Save the 
>>> file in a place that's easy to find.
>>> 3. In Itunes add the file you just saved to your library. It will appear in 
>>> your Books list.
>>> 4. Use whichever sync settings you've specified to sync this book to your 
>>> IDevice. I usually do this manually, placing the file in my Ipod/books 
>>> playlist.
>>> 5. Open IBooks and find the file in your IBooks library. Change Braille to 
>>> eight-dot, uncontracted. Use dots 3- and 6-chord at the page chooser to 
>>> switch pages.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
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apps that help with putting references in to APA

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
So here is the question. I stink at doing references in APA format and I have 
to write a 15 page paper with references in APA. Is there an app that you can 
put the info in and it would format it properly.
No worries if not but thought why not ask.

Becky

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Re: VoiceOver constantly keeps saying 'busy'

[Becky Knaub]

I don't think it happens as often but it still happens. I update when my Mac 
tells me an update is available so I am guessing that I am running the latest 
version. I would say when my VO does that I find turning it off and then on 
works to stop it. Some sites it does it more than others.

Becky and Ceil
On May 18, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I know that this issue has been discussed extensively here.
> I recently contacted Apple about this and they asked me to get the latest 
> version of OS Lion.
> They said that this issue was fixed in one of the software updates.
> Is this true?
> Which version of OS10 should I install in order to get rid of this problem?
> 
> I'm currently using Snow Leopard 10.6.8.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rahul
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Re: Simple yet powerful to do list saught

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
I use todo list because it works well with VO, can set reminders and can run in 
the background. I have not ever tried to find if it is available for iPhone or 
not. I don't remember the exact price but it was relatively in expensive. Hope 
this helps.


Becky
On May 25, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hello,
> I'm on the lookout for a todo list application that can work both on Mac and 
> on IPhone, can sync with eachother, ideally can be started with a hot key 
> rather like Evernote and can have timed alarms or reminders assignable to a 
> note. I do not under any cirkumstances whatsoever want List recorder because 
> in my not so humble opinion it's clumsy to the point of counterproductivity. 
> Anyone have any tips?
> /Krister
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Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or squashed in Mountain Lion?

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I wish they would fix the Safari busy issue. and update iWork's especially 
pages so it would read the whole document without constantly stopping at the 
end of every pager. It disrupts reading. Other than that I don't really have 
any issues with Mac or VO.

Becky
On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Blinkin wrote:

> I hope they fix Quicktime when starting the screen recorder.
>   In snow leopard when you pressed start recording you got a pop up 
> telling you how to stop it and then pressed a second start recording button 
> to begin.
>   Now, I have to turn off trackpad commander, click the record button, 
> and click on the trackpad until I hear VO speak again. It took me a few tried 
> to even figure out that it had started to record.
> Not a huge deal but still helpful.
> 
> Mike 
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> besides the busy thing in Safari, I honestly can't thing of anything as far 
>> as bugs go.  I'm sure there is a couple more but, I probably run into them 
>> infrequently.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Daniel McGee  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would like 
>>> so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. 
>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many 
>>> enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like 
>>> fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. 
>>> I'll go 1st. 
>>> For me its safari. two things for me. 
>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket Voiceover 
>>> doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have set in VO 
>>> utility. 
>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know when 
>>> the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely "Voiceover 
>>> Busy!" Not! 
>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 
>>> 
>>> So what are yours? 
>>> 
>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested to see 
>>> what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some good ones! 
>>> 
>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! LOL 
>>> 
>>> Daniel   
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Re: why can't Textedit serve as a replacement for MS Word?

[Becky Knaub]

if you type in Bean for mac in Bing or google you will find t.

HTH.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Thanks. Is this on the app store or do I have to hunt it down?
> 
> On 7/23/12, Daniel McGee  wrote:
>> Hi Alex, well I use a free app called Bean and it works for me. I mainly got
>> it because Text Edit can't display your word count and tell me how many
>> pages I have written. Where as with Bean all I have to do is one simple
>> keystroke and I get all the info in a dialog box. I have also been able to
>> save in that app in .doc word format and go between windows and Mac at
>> college and home. I like both systems and I'm very glad I found this app. It
>> also regularly updated too and I think the developer is aware of us
>> Voiceover users because he fixed some labels that wern't correct in 3.8 and
>> were supposively reporting there correct status in 3.9 LOL I didn't even
>> know what labels he was referring to but it was mentioned in the change log
>> so I assumed it was done.
>> 
>> Anyway hope this helps.
>> 
>> Daniel
>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 19:26, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Try VO T to check formatting.
>>> If it doesn't work, try highlighting the text first and then use VO T.
>>> HTH,
>>> Matthew Campbell.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-23, at 1:42 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Okay, I wondered if format support would ocme into it. Still, from
 what I hear, any file formatted in one program will likely not be
 formatted correctly in another, so I don't see this as specific to
 Textedit. Headers and footers are things I never use, but I can see
 how lack of support would be limiting to other users. When using vo,
 is there a command equivalent to ins-f, to read formatting? I use that
 command to check centering, font, and other attributes.
 
 On 7/23/12, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> You know, for most practical purposes, it can. I haven't really had
> good
> luck getting tables to work, but i'm still back on sl. Hopefully things
> have
> improved in two years, lol. I've certainly submitted professional
> reports
> with it, and had them look reasonably attractive.
> 
> By the way, text edit's filetype support isn't very good. If you have a
> form
> done up in word format, text edit will import it but pooch the
> formatting. I
> have to use open office writer for that sort of job, and writer
> irritates
> me.
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> 
> ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in
> touch on my handheld.
> 
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> 
> Hi all,
> I have a stupid question. I was looking at Textedit yesterday, and
> found it supports lists, tables, bolding, justification, centering,
> and so on. So, except for embeding images, what can MS Office, Libre
> Office, or Open Office do that Textedit cannot? Basically, why the
> need for a more powerful editor when this one seems to have it covered
> pretty well? I always hear variation of, "the mac is fine unless you
> want to actually get work done", and I was wondering about Textedit,
> so I had a look, and it seems quite capable.
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Re: Bookshare update

[Becky Knaub]

this is correct. I am attending College to get my masters in Vision rehab 
therapy and I am almost done. I have had bookshare for free since I started.
I had to send in my name, college name, what year I was in although since I am 
working on my masters I just put that. It worked quite well. You can always 
correspond with Bookshare via email if you aren't sure about what else might be 
needed. That's what I did.

Hope that helps.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in for 
> free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your college 
> email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription for a year 
> from the time you do this.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that at 
>> the membership page on the site.
>> I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for 
>> bookshare.
>> https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview
>> Christine
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Krysti .Power"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides credit 
>>> card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor fill it 
>>> out
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, "Christine Grassman"  
>>> wrote:
>>> If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it 
>>> costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability.
>>> If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however, 
>>> the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is 
>>> worth it to me.
>>> I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers. 
>>> Christine
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, "Krysti .Power"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering
 
 On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, "Christine Grassman"  
 wrote:
 Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with 
 bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to 
 tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did 
 occur, however.
 As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well 
 in Safari.
 Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that 
 downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able 
 to choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any 
 time), and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for 
 downloading daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your 
 history will by default contain thirty days of download history, but you 
 can change the filter to look further back.
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Re: Bookshare update

[Becky Knaub]

Bookshare is $75 for the first year and $50 after that. If you are a student 
including a college student it is free if you send them the information to 
verify that you are a student.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Krysti .Power wrote:

> How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering
> 
> On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, "Christine Grassman"  wrote:
> Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with bookshare, 
> but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to tell that the 
> download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did occur, however.
> As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well in 
> Safari.
> Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that downloading 
> will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to choose their 
> download file preference (which can be changed at any time), and a pop-up 
> menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading daisy with 
> images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your history will by default 
> contain thirty days of download history, but you can change the filter to 
> look further back.
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Re: Blackboard Question

[Becky Knaub]

Les,
When I used Blackboard with my Mac I used Omniweb since safari would 
continuously say busy and just gave me a lot of trouble. It worked much better 
in Omniweb.I would suggest you try that and see if it works better. If you are 
using ML I am not sure how it'll be but with Lion it worked really well.

Hope that helps.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

>> I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online 
>> learning system. In the "Discussion Board" section, we are unable to read 
>> plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure if it's 
>> possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame.
>> 
>> Please let me know if this is possible.
>> 
>> Les
>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors!
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of material for 
>>> using the Mac.  I'd encourage you to get whatever you feel is appropriate, 
>>> see below.
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: Esther 
 Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
 Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 Hello Gigi and Others,
 
 There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the Lighthouse 
 for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not been updated for 
 Mountain Lion.  So the links for downloading the VoiceOver Getting Started 
 Guide in a web browser, and also to the electronic braille version in .brf 
 format, still point to Lion.  As far as I can tell, versions for Mountain 
 Lion have yet been prepared on these sites.  At some point this page 
 should be updated, but right now it points to Lion versions:
 http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html
 
 It might help your friend to review some of the Vision Australia podcasts 
 on working with VoiceOver.   Also, you can check the AppleVis Guides 
 section:
 http://www.applevis.com/guides
 • "A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader to 
 VoiceOver On a Mac"
 http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-mac
 • "VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X"
 http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x
 • "General Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X"
 http://www.applevis.com/guides/general-keyboard-shortcut-commands-mac-os-x
 • "VoiceOver Gestures for Use with a Multi-Touch TrackPad on Mac OS X"
 http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-gestures-use-multi-touch-trackpad-mac-os-x
 
 Incidentally, web versions of the "VoiceOver Getting Started" guides for 
 Mountain Lion in many different languages seem to be up,  I'm a little 
 puzzled why William didn't automatically get this by arrowing down to the 
 last element of the VoiceOver help menu (brought up with VO-H).  I don't 
 have Mountain Lion installed yet, so I can't check the language 
 localizations from the loaded packages, but the general rule for Mountain 
 Lion seems to be that you append the language localization code to the web 
 address.  So you start with "help.apple.com", slash, "voiceover", slash, 
 "info", slash, "guide", slash, "10.8", slash, and then add your 
 localization code. If you don't add a localization, it defaults to 
 English, and resolves to an ending of "English.lproj/index.html". This is:
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html
 
 In general, most language localization codes are two letters, followed by 
 a period and the five letter word "lproj" and end with a slash, or a slash 
 followed by "index.html" (either should work). But the older way is to 
 type out the language, such as "Dutch" and "German" and "English", so it's 
 a bit confusing that you use "German.lproj" or "Dutch.lproj" while French, 
 Greek, Danish, and Finnish use the newer two letter code convention of 
 "fr.lproj", "el.lproj", "da.lproj", and "fi.lproj" (with lower case 
 letters).  In the case of Chinese, to distinguish between simplified 
 characters and traditional characters, the language code adds a two letter 
 country designation in caps after an underbar: "zh_CN.lproj" and 
 "zh_TW.lproj", so the VoiceOver user guides in these versions become:
 • Chinese (Simplified Characters)
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/zh_CN.lproj/index.html
 • Chinese (Traditional Characters)
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/zh_TW.lproj/index.html
 But in most cases, there's a simple two letter code for the language, such 
 as "ar" for Arabic, "ja" for Japanese, "pl" for Polish, etc. 
 
 Anyone who has trouble viewing current "VoiceOver Getting Start

Re: anyone ever used winonx?

[Becky Knaub]

Hi Alex,
I have never heard of it or tried it.   If you try it will you let us know how 
it works. I am wondering how well DBT would work with it so that is why I am so 
curious.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run 
> windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't 
> work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The 
> main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if 
> anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any 
> information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, 
> as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to 
> blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the 
> applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: Blackboard Question

[Becky Knaub]

Hi Les,
No Omniweb isn't in the app store. I googled it and it came right up.I don't 
have the link on hand but there might be someone else who does. If so hopefully 
they'll chime in. As for the frames, it works pretty well. I could access all 
of the discussion board including all posts. You do have to fiddle with it 
sometimes. Sometimes using quick nab worked best and other times you could get 
away with not using it. Hope this helps.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Hi Becky,
> 
> Thanks for this.  I assume I would search for Omniweb, or is it in the App 
> Store?  Also, were you able to read the framed text I mentioned?
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
> 
>> Les,
>> When I used Blackboard with my Mac I used Omniweb since safari would 
>> continuously say busy and just gave me a lot of trouble. It worked much 
>> better in Omniweb.I would suggest you try that and see if it works better. 
>> If you are using ML I am not sure how it'll be but with Lion it worked 
>> really well.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Becky and Ceil
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> 
>>>> I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online 
>>>> learning system. In the "Discussion Board" section, we are unable to read 
>>>> plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure if it's 
>>>> possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame.
>>>> 
>>>> Please let me know if this is possible.
>>>> 
>>>> Les
>>>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors!
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of material for 
>>>>> using the Mac.  I'd encourage you to get whatever you feel is 
>>>>> appropriate, see below.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Esther 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>>>>>> Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Gigi and Others,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the Lighthouse 
>>>>>> for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not been updated for 
>>>>>> Mountain Lion.  So the links for downloading the VoiceOver Getting 
>>>>>> Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the electronic braille 
>>>>>> version in .brf format, still point to Lion.  As far as I can tell, 
>>>>>> versions for Mountain Lion have yet been prepared on these sites.  At 
>>>>>> some point this page should be updated, but right now it points to Lion 
>>>>>> versions:
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It might help your friend to review some of the Vision Australia 
>>>>>> podcasts on working with VoiceOver.   Also, you can check the AppleVis 
>>>>>> Guides section:
>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides
>>>>>> • "A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader to 
>>>>>> VoiceOver On a Mac"
>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-mac
>>>>>> • "VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X"
>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x
>>>>>> • "General Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X"
>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/general-keyboard-shortcut-commands-mac-os-x
>>>>>> • "VoiceOver Gestures for Use with a Multi-Touch TrackPad on Mac OS X"
>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-gestures-use-multi-touch-trackpad-mac-os-x
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Incidentally, web versions of the "VoiceOver Getting Started" guides for 
>>>>>> Mountain Lion in many different languages seem to be up,  I'm a little 
>>>>>> puzzled why William didn't automatically get this by arrowing down to 
>>>>>> the last element of the Vo

Re: Blackboard Question

[Becky Knaub]

Have you tried the vo and F to search for the start of the page such as 
searching for sort. Sometimes that works. If not what about setting the rotor 
for static text and using VO and U to see if it would pick it up that way. It'd 
be a bit of a pain but it might work.

Becky
On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Is the only thing you have tried tabbing? I normally arrow to where I want, 
> or use navigation keys to get there. Once I find the frame, I interact 
> (vo-shift-down arrow). You may not have tab set to interact automatically, 
> which could be the problem.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Harry, the issue we are dealing with now is on the Discussions Board.  There 
>> is a content frame with text that must be read.  I cannot tab to this frame, 
>> no speech is given from within the Discussion Board.  Text is visible on the 
>> screen, but I cannot figure out how to access it.  Do you have any specific 
>> suggestions on how to access content within this frame?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> 
>>> Les,
>>> 
>>> I successfully use VO with Safari and Blackboard all of the time.  It is a 
>>> good idea to change the settings to "Text only," or "Plain text," I'm not 
>>> sure how it words it.  It will be under "Personalization" or something like 
>>> that.  I just graduated this May and am starting another program this fall, 
>>> so I don't have an active Blackboard account to look at at the moment.
>>> 
>>> I do hope this helps, however.
>>> 
>>> Please note that Safari has never given me any problems.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 The user must log in, otherwise that would be a great idea.  Thanks.
 
 Les
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I'm not sure, in that case. I never had much luck with blackboard, but 
> haven't had to use it for about three years, so they may have improved 
> things since I was forced to endure it. I do know that they optimized it 
> for Internet Explorer, so maybe it is something in Safari? You said you 
> could see the text visually, which is odd as vo seems to not see it. Is 
> there any way you could give us a link, or does the page require the user 
> to log in?
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> I think we tried interacting with the frame, and still could not read 
>> the text.  I should mention that when I tabbed over and highlighted the 
>> text in the frame, VO did not inform me of any text, so this is why I'm 
>> figuring we have a problem.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Have the student interact with the frame, and all should work as 
>>> expected. Don't forget to stop interacting when you are done reading 
>>> the text, or vo will keep navigating only what is inside the frame. You 
>>> can change this in the vo utility (vo-f8) if you want to, under the web 
>>> tab of the navigation category I believe.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
> I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online 
> learning system. In the "Discussion Board" section, we are unable to 
> read plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure 
> if it's possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame.
> 
> Please let me know if this is possible.
> 
> Les
> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors!
> 
> On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler  
> wrote:
> 
>> Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of 
>> material for using the Mac.  I'd encourage you to get whatever you 
>> feel is appropriate, see below.
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Esther 
>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>>> Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Hello Gigi and Others,
>>> 
>>> There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the 
>>> Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not 
>>> been updated for Mountain Lion.  So the links for downloading the 
>>> VoiceOver Getting Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the 
>>> electronic braille version in .brf format, still point to Lion.  As 
>>> far as I can tell, versions for Mountain Lion have yet been 
>>> prepared on these sites.  At some point this page should be 
>>> updated, but right now it points to Lion versions:
>>> http://www.apple.com/acces

Voice Over acting Odd

[Becky Knaub]

Hi all,
VO is acting really odd on my MBP today. It has stopped talking all the sudden 
three different times.  I had to restart it and then it was fine. Anyone got 
any suggestions?  Also does anyone know why Safari often keeps saying busy?

Becky and C
On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:29 PM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

>   Today's Topic Summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
> 
> YoruFukurou and lists. [3 Updates]
> solved safari extensions question posted previously [1 Update]
> Little Mac Victories [1 Update]
> making sure safari extension are installed? [1 Update]
> interesting bug in voiceover with numbers and apostrophes [5 Updates]
> Looking for a monitor to connect to my mac mini [1 Update]
> Growl Notifications readout [4 Updates]
> Sorry but I gotta ask again | VMWare Key Mapping [1 Update]
> Burning Itunes purchases to CD? [6 Updates]
> iphone4s and triple home [1 Update]
> Questions about sound check [1 Update]
>  YoruFukurou and lists.
> Ricardo Walker  Nov 29 05:31PM -0500  
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I have a feeling I'm missing something really obvious but, how do you view 
> your lists in YoruFukurou?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
>  
> Kevin Mattingly  Nov 29 06:01PM -0500  
> 
> When you say list, what are you refering to?
>  
> Kev
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>  
>  
> Ricardo Walker  Nov 29 07:29PM -0500  
> 
> You know, lists of people you follow but keep separate from your main 
> timeline? For example, one might creat a list for sports and just add the 
> athletes they care to follow on twitter?
>  
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>  
>  
>  solved safari extensions question posted previously
> Ioana Gandrabur  Nov 29 06:53PM -0500  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> Found extensions under preferences so problem solved. Thanks!
>  
> Ioana
>  
>  Little Mac Victories
> Traci  Nov 29 03:46PM -0800  
> 
> Hope y'all don't mind me sharing such an email…
>  
>  
> I was on a music site I like to buy from, from time to time. I went there on 
> my Mac and hesitated, thinking I should wait to hop onto my windows. *Grin,* 
> I decided to give it a whirl on my Mac.
>  
> Looky there! There was a bit of struggle navigating the website, but for the 
> most part it was a more pleasant experience than on my windows machine. I was 
> tickled to search for a track, log in, and purchase said track.
>  
> The song is now nicely inside iTunes, inside a playlist. :) Loving it!
>  
> A side note here: ever since I reformatted my iPod Nano to Mac, syncing has 
> been lightning faster.
>  
> It's a good Mac Day!
> Traci
> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>  
>  making sure safari extension are installed?
> Ioana Gandrabur  Nov 29 06:41PM -0500  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I downloaded the youtube 5 safari extension talked about on the list and 
> pressed open on the file. Got some dialog about asking if I want to install 
> this extension but I don't know if it was successful. Is there a way to see 
> the list of installed extensions?
> Thanks,
>  
> Ioana
>  
>  interesting bug in voiceover with numbers and apostrophes
> Paul Erkens  Nov 29 10:52PM +0100  
> 
> Dear listers,
> Before I start bugging Apple with what I think is a bug, I would like to ask 
> you listers about the following. I found the bug while working in Amadeus 
> pro. In this sound editor, for some reason, you have to enter time in a 
> strange way. Let's say I have a file open that is 30 minutes long, but I 
> would like to jump right to 10 minutes, 3 seconds and half a second more. So 
> 10 minutes, 3 seconds and 500 milliseconds. In Amadeus pro, I have to enter 
> this, using apostrophes as time separators, and 2 apostrophes to separate the 
> seconds from the milliseconds. Does this sound weird? I don't know why 
> amadeus wants me to use 2 apostrophes in a row, even though that works fine 
> if you obey, although this is not important for this voiceover bug, but here 
> I found something strange happen with voiceover.
> Here's the test. For ten minutes 3 seconds and 500 milliseconds, here's what 
> I type in inside amadeus pro. I'll type it literally, so let's see what your 
> voiceover says here.
> 10'3''500
> With my current voiceover punctuation set to some, I hear:
> ten, thirty nine one one five hundred. This is strange, because what I type 
> was:
> 1 0 apostrophe 3 apostrophe apostrophe 5 0 0.
> What the heck is happening here with voiceover? Where does that thirty nine 
> come from? I didn't type it, but if you omit the last apostrophe, so that the 
> 3 seconds are now only separated from the milliseconds by just one 
> apostrophe, then everything speaks just fine. In other words, try typing this.
> one zero apostrophe 3 apostrophe 5 0 0
> If you do this, then you hear what is on the screen. With 2 apostrophes i

Coice Over acting Odd

[Becky Knaub]

> Teresa Cochran  Nov 30 07:10AM -0800  
> 
> Quite usable.
>  
> Teresa
>  
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:09 PM, agent086b wrote:
>  
>  
>  where to start i I want to automate terminal commands
> Ioana Gandrabur  Nov 29 08:52PM -0500  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I would love to create a script or what ever that I can call up to perform a 
> series of terminal commands. I had a look at the automator and found a record 
> option to type in all the steps. I performed the actions but when I tried to 
> run the action got an error. I suspect that the key sequence goes to fast 
> since it is saying that terminal is not running when it was expected to.
> Any ideas how to do this or where to look for prewritten scripts I can modify?
> Is the script editor a better option than automator?
>  
> I have no formal scripting experience but have read and written jaws scripts 
> using their manual but really nothing fancy.
>  
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>  
> Ioana
>  
> Chris Blouch  Nov 30 10:03AM -0500  
> 
> You could just do the script in the shell as well and skip automater. 
> Just put each command line by line in a text file and then modify the 
> text file to be executable with
>  
> chmod a+x
>  
> after that you can just run that text file and it will execute all the 
> commands inside as though you had typed them. I often use this for 
> repetitive tasks and just name the file "g" for "Go". One tricky bit is 
> the shell will look in certain places (directory paths) for files to run 
> and often times this is not your present directory. So unless I add the 
> present directory (usually denoted as a dot or period) to my path I have 
> to specify it when doing my "g" command:
>  
> ./g
>  
> If you want I can give you the commands to add . to your path and avoid 
> the ./ nonsense.
>  
> CB
>  
> On 11/29/11 8:52 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>  
>  Burning Itunes purchases to CD?
> Sarai Bucciarelli  Nov 29 08:13PM -0600  
> 
> Hi:
> I don't think you need to backup your iTunes purchases anymore because you 
> can just redownload them.
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>  
>  
> Chris Blouch  Nov 30 09:59AM -0500  
> 
> True, but there is still something about having it permanently on the 
> shelf. Not that Apple is going away any time soon but it certainly has 
> happened with other online music services. For a large library, 
> re-downloading can also take a while. Of course everybody now days has 
> local backups with Time Machine, right?
>  
> CB
>  
> On 11/29/11 9:13 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>  
>  Voice Over acting Odd
> Becky Knaub  Nov 29 08:44PM -0500  
> 
> Hi all,
> VO is acting really odd on my MBP today. It has stopped talking all the 
> sudden three different times. I had to restart it and then it was fine. 
> Anyone got any suggestions? Also does anyone know why Safari often keeps 
> saying busy?
>  
> Becky and C
>  
> Rachel Magario  Nov 29 07:54PM -0600  
> 
> I can think of 3 things.
> 1. check if you running low in your hard drive space.
> If I get less than 50 Gb of hard drive my VO gets slow because I use loads of 
> applications running at once.
> 2. turn your activity monitor on and ask somebody to check who is taking the 
> most of your ram when vo gets quiet.
> 3. this must be really far off, but once I had so many attachments that when 
> I turned my mail on my vo got really slow. I had to clean like 20 gb of 
> attachments on my mail, but you are probably not data horder like me. But 
> just in case.
> HTH,
> Rachel
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>  
>  
> Eugenia Firth  Nov 30 08:35AM -0600  
> 
> Hi y'all. 
> My computer was being a really naughty computer yesterday. I updated it late 
> yesterday afternoon, and I sure hope Apple has now fixed it. My speech froze; 
> I turned speech off and back on, but it wasn't always fine. Sometimes it 
> killed the speech altogether and kept running the braille display. I know 
> this is going to sound weird, but it seemed to me that it behaved better when 
> I changed voices from Alex to Samantha. I decided I'd rather put up with the 
> changes in pitch occasionally than have to restart all the time. I also 
> noticed that sometimes quitting TextEdit worked to restore things. 
>  
> Regards, 
> Gigi, who is hoping my Mbp behaves better today 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>  
>  
>  Clearing my question
> Francisco Salvador Crespo  Nov 29 11:37PM 
> -0300  
> 
> Hi,
>

Re: Daisy Reader under Lion

[Becky Knaub]

Learning Ally's is called the RFB&D reader. There is a version that reads all 
daisy files such as bookshare but it costs more and I think you have to be a 
member. HTH


Becky and C
On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:11 AM, Greg Aikens wrote:

> Learning Ally has a program that reads their books and I think there is a 
> version you can buy that lets you read any daisy materials.  Sorry I don't 
> remember the name right now.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Greg
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> I promise I have looked in the archives but can't find the answer.
>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a DAISY reader under Lion?
>> There's nothing in the App Store and I haven't found anything in the
>> archives here or on the web.  I'd appreciate any help as i have a
>> large text book on music notation that I wish to search for specific
>> information.  These folks were kind enough to read the book in DAISY
>> format and it would be great to take advantage of that.
>> Best,
>> Kevin
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Re: money talks or i bank?

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Hi All,
I am curious. What does this program do, I never heard of it.

Thanks.

Becky and C
On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

> Thanks, Larry. That would be so great; especially if there could be an iPhone 
> app to sync with it. 
> I'd definitely pay good money for it.
> 
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Paul, I must have missed that message.
>> APH is actually interested in doing a Mac version, but that's about all I 
>> can say about it for the moment.
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't believe there is a money talks for the mac; just one for windows.
>>> If there is indeed one for the mac, I would certainly like to know about it.
>>> I wrote to Larry Skutcon asking him if there would or could ever be a mac 
>>> version, but never got a reply. What would really be neat is if there were 
>>> one for the iPhone which could sync with a mac version.
>>> But, at this point, I'd settle for a mac version.
>>> Right now, I use VM-Ware fusion to run a virtual windows seven machine so I 
>>> can use money talks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Nancy Stevens wrote:
>>> 
 Hello All,
 I'm trying to decide whether to purchase the money talks program for Mac 
 from American printing house or to learn the i bank program.
 
 Any recommendations.
 
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Speech recognition on the mac

[Becky Knaub]

Hi all,
does anyone know if you can use this option to dictate instead of type 
documents, emails etc.? If so how do you do it and does it work with VO? If it 
works like this can it work with pages or text edit?

Thanks

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Accidently did something to make the downloads folder disappear

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Hi All,
I don't know what I did but my downloads folder is not on the dock, how do I 
access it. I don't think I deleted it but may have and not realized it when I 
emptied the trash, can someone help me? I need access to it for classes, I have 
college classes on line that I download documents for. Oh one other question I 
have thought about making it so my computer can run windows by partitioning the 
hD but wondered if I got a external hard drive if using that would work. So 
would it?

Thanks,

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Re: Is there really not a Save As option in Text Edit?

[Becky Knaub]

There was in Snow kitty but there is not that I know of in Lion for Pages or 
text edit.


On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a situation wherein I use a certain file in different situations.  I 
> would like the option to open the basic file, modify the content, and save it 
> with a different filename.  This used to be possible, but the only option I 
> see now for saving documents is Save a Version, which uses the original 
> filename.  Does anyone know if there's some way to open a Save As dialog in 
> Text Edit?
> 
> On a related note, does anyone know if there's a way to view older versions 
> of a file, i.e. could I open a version of this file before the last time I 
> saved a version?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Accidently did something to make the downloads folder disappear

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Hi Thank you so much.
I was really worried I messed my comp up. Thanks again that really helped.

Becky and C
On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> you don't even need to go into the dock to access your documents folder.  
> From the finder, press command option L.  But you can get the downloads 
> folder back on the dock by pressing command shift H and when on the downloads 
> folder press command shift T.
> 
> hth
> 
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> 
>> Hi All,
>> I don't know what I did but my downloads folder is not on the dock, how do I 
>> access it. I don't think I deleted it but may have and not realized it when 
>> I emptied the trash, can someone help me? I need access to it for classes, I 
>> have college classes on line that I download documents for. Oh one other 
>> question I have thought about making it so my computer can run windows by 
>> partitioning the hD but wondered if I got a external hard drive if using 
>> that would work. So would it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Switching to a Mac from PC

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
I switched to mac in August. I was greatly surprised when VO read the PDF 
document I had to download for one of my classes. JAWS never did that or didn't 
do it without a ton of work on my part.The only thing VO gives me issues with 
is charts in Pages.

Becky and C
On Jan 4, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Joanne Chua wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for
> research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i
> suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with
> screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have
> a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda,
> system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the
> problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months
> experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the
> best screen reader when dealing with pdf.
> It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of
> comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you.
> Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down
> rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the
> same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on
> that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to
> jaws.
> Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just
> depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for
> jaws.
> 
> Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts
> 
> Cheers
> Joanne
> 
> On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I fimnd
>> it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had a
>> pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not accessible on
>> the mac and never will be I gather.  I am still try to get dropbox to work
>> on this machine here and have not been secessful so far.  it would also be
>> nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a small
>> thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment.Just my
>> thoughts.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>> 
>>> Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently
>>> become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is
>>> comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get
>>> comfortable with any of the word processing options,
>>> and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to
>>> be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of
>>> my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing games,
>>> and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client
>>> works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a
>>> truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is
>>> accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak automatically.
>>> My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for
>>> several years now. I just can't get comfortable
>>> working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on
>>> the PC.
>>> Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things
>>> that either don't work or I don't want to mess with
>>> on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that
>>> I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the
>>> mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely
>>> something I'll give Apple credit for; you can
>>> install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with
>>> carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to
>>> restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic
>>> happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is
>>> Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: changes
>>> in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC
>>> can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is
>>> really awesome in that respect.
>>> With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot
>>> more than I did when I first bought it, to be
>>> perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the
>>> purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or
>>> VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened.
>>> I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your
>>> decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print
>>> side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using
>>> Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I
>>> hope this helps you out at least a little.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a 

to do list apps

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
I am taking 5 graduate level courses this semester and all of them require a 
ton of work. SO does anyone have any suggestions for an accessible app that 
would function like a to do list but for assignments that I could check off 
after they are done? I guess what I am looking for is kind of like a homework 
planner. I just want to make sure I don't miss out on doing all my assignments, 
I already put their due dates in my calendar which was the first time I used 
Ical. it was interesting experience but I figured it out.

Becky and C

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Re: to do list apps

[Becky Knaub]

Hi Enrah,
Thak you so much for the suggestion, I read about the app you sent me and just 
finished installing it.
Thanks again.

Becky
On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Emrah wrote:

> Becky,
> 
> I went hunting on the App Store to see if something would fit the description 
> of what you-re looking for. I found an app that claims to have recently 
> improved its VoiceOver support and I purchased it to give it a try.
> It's only $0.99, so if you want to have a look, here is the link:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/to-do-lists/id416993121?mt=12
> 
> This is a Mac OS app. 
> 
> Good luck for your assignments!
> Cheers,
> E
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:58 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I am taking 5 graduate level courses this semester and all of them require a 
>> ton of work. SO does anyone have any suggestions for an accessible app that 
>> would function like a to do list but for assignments that I could check off 
>> after they are done? I guess what I am looking for is kind of like a 
>> homework planner. I just want to make sure I don't miss out on doing all my 
>> assignments, I already put their due dates in my calendar which was the 
>> first time I used Ical. it was interesting experience but I figured it out.
>> 
>> Becky and C
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Blackboard Accessible

[Becky Knaub]

Hi Shanna,
I use black board with VoiceOver, I know it was just updated for my university 
while we were on break. I find VO works pretty well with it, I have used it 
with VO for 2 semesters soon to be three when this semester is over and Jaws fr 
the other 4, I would say both work alright with it. I can and do participate on 
the discussion board and can access all of the links on my professor's pages.  
I am using Safari for BlackBoard tough rather then Google Chrome which I just 
installed to see if it would work better than Safari. Use the track pad or VO 
keys with BB not quick nab because sometimes they don't work and try 
interacting with the content, this will allow VO to read and work with the 
discussion Board. HTH

Becky and C

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tips on Navigating Chrome with VO

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
I just downloaded and installed chrome to give it a try. I tried to use 
Blackboard on it and it wouldn't work at all, even when I tried interacting 
with Blackboard. I was hoping it would work because Safari does work but often 
does the "Safari Busy" thing which is annoying and time consuming. If anyone 
one has some tips for using chrome that would be great. Thanks.

Becky and C

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Google ChromeVox

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Hi,
WHat are they talking about when they say the ChromeVOx keys? Thanks 

Becky

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question regarding trackpad

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Hi all,
so I was wondering why if I do a 3 finger scroll down on the trackpad VO won't 
start reading there. If you do it on the iPhone it works so I am wondering if I 
am doing something wrong or missing a step.

Thanks again.

Becky

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Re: question regarding trackpad

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Hi,
I just tried it and a two fingered swipe down reads all, where as the gesture I 
am talking about the three fingered swipe up or down allows for scrolling on 
the iPhone. SOrry I was not clear.

Thanks.


Becky and C
On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> wrong gesture.
> 
> Its a 2 finger swipe down on the Mac and the iPhone.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> so I was wondering why if I do a 3 finger scroll down on the trackpad VO 
>> won't start reading there. If you do it on the iPhone it works so I am 
>> wondering if I am doing something wrong or missing a step.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> 
>> Becky
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Re: Blackboard Accessible

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Hi,
Where do you get Omni web, how does it work with VO? Is it an App, if so is it 
expensive?  

Thanks Becky
On Jan 12, 2012, at 4:01 PM, ezzie bueno wrote:

> Hello Mike,
> 
> OmniWeb is a Mac-based web browser.  I had no problems with participating in 
> discussions, or anything else for that matter.
> 
> Ezzie
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Michael Busboom  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:03:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: Blackboard Accessible
> 
> Hello Ezzie,
> Is OmniWeb a Mac-based browser and when you used it, did you have many 
> problems effectively participating in classroom discussions via Bulletin 
> Board?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 11,Jan,2012, at 9:59 PM, ezzie bueno wrote:
> 
> Hello Shanna, Mike and Others,
> 
> I've used Blackboard successfully with another web browser called OmniWeb..  
> It has worked well.
> I just downloaded Google Chrome and will try using Blackboard with this new 
> browser as soon as classes start in two weeks.
> 
> HTH,
> Ezzie
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Dawn Benbow  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:18:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: Blackboard Accessible
> 
> Hi Shanna,
> 
> I saw this thread and wanted to jumpin and say that I've just started using 
> my iPad and BT keyboard on black board in the discussion board area with the 
> 3 online classes I have this semester and haven't had much trouble with it.  
> I haven't tried using my MBP with it yet though as I've always found it 
> easiest just to use my iPod before.  I just got an iPad for Christmas.  I'm 
> loving it so far.
> 
> Dawn
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
> Hi Shanna,
> I use black board with VoiceOver, I know it was just updated for my 
> university while we were on break.  I find VO works pretty well with it, I 
> have used it with VO for 2 semesters soon to be three when this semester is 
> over and Jaws fr the other 4, I would say both work alright with it.  I can 
> and do participate on the discussion board and can access all of the links on 
> my professor's pages.  I am using Safari for BlackBoard tough rather then 
> Google Chrome which I just installed to see if it would work better than 
> Safari.  Use the track pad or VO keys with BB not quick nab because sometimes 
> they don't work and try interacting with the content, this will allow VO to 
> read and work with the discussion Board.  HTH
> 
> Becky and C
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Re: Blackboard Accessible

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Hi Ezzie,
Its totally accessible, right?

Thanks 
Becky and C
On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:43 AM, ezzie bueno wrote:

> Hi Becky,
> 
> I just googled the app.  LOL.  It's free.
> 
> HTH,
> Ezzie
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Becky Knaub  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:28:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Blackboard Accessible
> 
> Hi,
> Where do you get Omni web, how does it work with VO? Is it an App, if so is 
> it expensive?
> 
> Thanks Becky
> On Jan 12, 2012, at 4:01 PM, ezzie bueno wrote:
> 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> OmniWeb is a Mac-based web browser.  I had no problems with participating in 
> discussions, or anything else for that matter.
> 
> Ezzie
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Michael Busboom  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:03:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: Blackboard Accessible
> 
> Hello Ezzie,
> Is OmniWeb a Mac-based browser and when you used it, did you have many 
> problems effectively participating in classroom discussions via Bulletin 
> Board?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 11,Jan,2012, at 9:59 PM, ezzie bueno wrote:
> 
> Hello Shanna, Mike and Others,
> 
> I've used Blackboard successfully with another web browser called OmniWeb...  
> It has worked well.
> I just downloaded Google Chrome and will try using Blackboard with this new 
> browser as soon as classes start in two weeks.
> 
> HTH,
> Ezzie
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Dawn Benbow  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:18:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: Blackboard Accessible
> 
> Hi Shanna,
> 
> I saw this thread and wanted to jumpin and say that I've just started using 
> my iPad and BT keyboard on black board in the discussion board area with the 
> 3 online classes I have this semester and haven't had much trouble with it.  
> I haven't tried using my MBP with it yet though as I've always found it 
> easiest just to use my iPod before.  I just got an iPad for Christmas.  I'm 
> loving it so far.
> 
> Dawn
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
> Hi Shanna,
> I use black board with VoiceOver, I know it was just updated for my 
> university while we were on break.  I find VO works pretty well with it, I 
> have used it with VO for 2 semesters soon to be three when this semester is 
> over and Jaws fr the other 4, I would say both work alright with it.  I can 
> and do participate on the discussion board and can access all of the links on 
> my professor's pages.  I am using Safari for BlackBoard tough rather then 
> Google Chrome which I just installed to see if it would work better than 
> Safari.  Use the track pad or VO keys with BB not quick nab because sometimes 
> they don't work and try interacting with the content, this will allow VO to 
> read and work with the discussion Board.  HTH
> 
> Becky and C
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Omniweb

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
I was wondering if there is a way to get my bookmarks from Safari into Omniweb 
rather then having to go to all the sites and bookmark them all over again in 
Omniweb?

Thanks

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Re: ToDo by Appigo - anyone tried it?

[Becky Knaub]

Hi Garth,
todo list is a great app for the Mac. It works very well with VO and is fully 
accessible. I just downloaded it last week to keep track of the 5 grad level 
classes I am taking. I found it is very easy to use. If you can see then you 
can change the background and font. I can't so I really don't bother with this 
option but I have to say it does a great job in helping me keep track of what 
is done and what needs done and even has reminders which can be set. I think it 
was like 1.99 or something but it might have been cheaper.
HTH

Becky and C
On Jan 16, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

> Hi All 
> 
> Per the subject line, has anyone tried Appigo's ToDo? It's in the Mac store 
> for about $15.  I have been on the quest for a good ToDo app that will sync 
> across my Mac and iPhone. I met have downloaded about 10 on my phone and a 
> couple on my mac. The phone version of appigo's todo looks pretty good but I 
> have only done minimal testing so far. 
> 
> I would really appreciate anyones experiences with this app before buying yet 
> another one. 
> 
> Cheers 
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OCR programs for the scanner and a printer question

[Becky Knaub]

Hi all,
I just got my wireless printer hooked up and ready to go, It came with my Mac 
but I needed sighted assistance since its wireless. It is a printer scanner 
combo. I want to know if there are any affordable apps that do the same or 
similar to Kurzwiel does. 

I aslo want to know how to move around the printer screen since some of it 
doesn't appear to be accessible. I have never printed with a mac before so 
today was the first time. My Dad had to click with the trackpad since VO wasn't 
cooperating. Thanks

Becky & C

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Bugs in Mail

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Hi Guys,
Has anyone noticed that when you delete messages they don't leave the mail box 
unless you close and reopen the app? So if anyone's had this problem besides me 
after I updated? If so does anyone know how to get rid of it?

Thanks

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Re: Bugs in Mail

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I am using Embarqmail in the mail app. I have it set to delete messages from 
the server after downloading. I never really used to have this issue until I 
updated just the other day. Once in a blue moon I would have the same thing on 
the iPhone. Thanks

Becky and C
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> If you are doing this in gmail, do look at your All mail folder; if
> your deleted messages are remaining behind in there, you may have
> thousands of them.  that happened to me before I realized that
> deleting messages in traditional IMAP does not work the same way in
> gmail.  They have to be moved to Trash to truely be rid of them.
> 
> On 2/6/12, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
>> That's weird, I'm using imap with gmail and when I delete a message thread,
>> not sure where it goes lol but it is gone from my mailbox at least.
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> 
>>> I find with gmail and IMAP, the best way to "Delete" messages for good
>>> is to Move them to Trash while in a mail client.  Yes, there is a
>>> delete function on the web site which actually deletes messages (if
>>> trueth be known, it moves them to trash too).  Anyway, that's what I
>>> do in mutt, thunderbird, mail app on both mac and iPod.
>>> 
>>> On 2/6/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
>>>> This may not be a bug in Mail, but the imap implementation such as found
>>>> with Gmail.
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>> Has anyone noticed that when you delete messages they don't leave the
>>>>> mail
>>>>> box unless you close and reopen the app? So if anyone's had this problem
>>>>> besides me after I updated? If so does anyone know how to get rid of it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
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Re: text edit find and replace?

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try cmd F for the find dialog and see if that works if not try VO keys and F 
type in search and press enter
HTH

Becky and C my clever guide
On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Dear listers,
> When attempting to find and replace, I'm having a focus problem with 
> voiceover. Does that sound familiar? What happens is: when I select a 
> character that landed in my pdf converted to plain text, I either want to get 
> rid of it, or I want to replace it with what it should have been, like an 
> apostrophe. I first select the character using shift arrows, I then copy it 
> to the clipboard using command c, I then call up the find replace dialog 
> using vo m for menu, e for edit, enter to open the edit menu, f for the find 
> menu. I hit enter on the find menu to open it, arrow down to find and replace 
> and press enter there. The dialog came up the first time, but no more. 
> Instead I seem to be returning to the text, where I came from. What am I 
> doing wrong here?
> 
> Paul.
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Re: Managing Documents and Folders

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use cmd opt V to move files.
HTH.

B & C
On Feb 9, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Marc wrote:

> In my documents folder, I would like to create new folders. I figured
> out how to create and name new folders. Now I would like to move the
> documents into folders. As far as I can tell, I can copy and paste the
> documents into the new folder but the document remains in the
> documents folder. Does anybody have any suggestions so that I don't
> need to delete the file from the documents folder after I have moved
> it?
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Re: instructions on how to use pages with voice over?

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Pages can save and open RTF, Doc and DOcx formats to name a few. Unless you 
pull down the disclose option I think it is called in save as you will find 
your documents are saved in pages format. As for open office I am not sure 
because I have never used it. I wonder if its more accessible. I have tried 
looking for it on the app store but never found it.

HTH. 

Becky and C
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> Being new to the Mac and all, just what format does Pages support? I
> mean, are the documents compatible with MS Office or OpenOffice or
> LibreOffice? Or is Pages yet another proprietary format of documents?
> I'm curious because I've begun proofreading some RTF documents from
> Bookshare and I can't see all the formatting to verify while in Text
> Edit; I'm thinking / hoping Pages might offer me more control.  Is
> that possible?
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Re: Question about Mountain Lion

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The second version should be called Black Lab. Grin. Nope no bias here. LOL
On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> I personally have asked that they consider switching to large breed dogs. 
> They are starting to run out of large cats and mountain lions are not exactly 
> large cats. :)
> I have asked for German Shepherd not that I am biased or anything. :)
> 
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Why call it Mountain Lion?  Are we to climb a mountain?
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 06:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Now now, just a second here.  You must remember that we were plainly told 
>>> this was just a  glimps.  the details always come out eventually.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys.
 Maybe somebody covered this already, and so maybe I missed something 
 somewhere. I watched the video on the Apple website concerning Mountain 
 Lion. Since VoiceOver is so far not mentioned in these things ever, how do 
 we know what's changed for it? It looks like that the Notification Center 
 is going to be wonderful for us, especially if it works like it does on 
 the iPhone. 
 When I first got my Mac and knew practically nothing, I asked 
 accessibil...@apple.com how I was going to know about VoiceOver changes. 
 The answer I got back was that I could read articles on it and that they 
 would be published with everything else. I am not finding this to be the 
 case. So, how do we find out or do we just wait and see? 
 
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Re: Office Productivity on the Mac

[Becky Knaub]

I am using pages and I really don't think much of its accessibility issues. It 
works for simple things it just sometimes I really have to fiddle with it to 
get it to read things to me.
I think that's the1 of the 2 thing I miss about the PC is Word, for everything 
else my mac is awesome.

Becky 

On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> What are people using these days for office productivity like word
> processing, spreadsheets, etc.? I am aware of iWork but I thought Open
> Office or probably now, Libreoffice would be even better.  Which of
> these solutions ore most accessible now days.  I heard some old
> podcasts recently where Open Office was supposed to be really good but
> then Oracle came along and who knows now.
> 
> Any ideas?
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Re: Opening Tabs in Safari

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I use cmd T to open a new tab and ctrl shift tab to change tabs.

HTH

Becky
On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I'm looking for a single hot key to open a link to a new tab instead
> of replacing the current window.  right now, I use Shift-VO-m to open
> a context menu and then choose 'open in new tab.' Is there a single
> key to do this like VO-Space?
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Re: Office Productivity on the Mac

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Hi Anne,
The only thing is text edit seems to do what pages does when I try to read. I 
use pages for college primarily and text edit for everything else like notes. 
When I read I press VO and A to read all and it will stop at the next page. 
Also I have to make sure I interact with each page. What do you do differently.

Becky
On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:39 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Steve,
> 
> I'm about to have a firestorm land on my head for saying this, but Pages 
> works just fine for me, except for tracking changes, which I never have to do 
> anyway.
> 
> To use Pages efficiently, you need a thorough knowledge of VoiceOver. Make 
> sure that the mouse cursor is set to ignore the other cursors or you'll have 
> stability problems.
> 
> It's necessary to be familiar with Hotspots so that you can keep track of 
> styles.
> 
> Pages is for word processing, not for reading for pleasure. TextEdit works 
> much better for that.
> 
> I can't compare Pages to Word on a PC because I've never used a PC.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23 Feb 2012, at 01:58, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
>> What are people using these days for office productivity like word
>> processing, spreadsheets, etc.? I am aware of iWork but I thought Open
>> Office or probably now, Libreoffice would be even better.  Which of
>> these solutions ore most accessible now days.  I heard some old
>> podcasts recently where Open Office was supposed to be really good but
>> then Oracle came along and who knows now.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
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Re: Office Productivity on the Mac

[Becky Knaub]

Anne,
Thanks.

Becky
On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Becky,
> 
> In TextEdit, in the Format menu, there's a Wrap to command which toggles 
> between Wrap to page and Wrap to window.
> 
> For straight reading, you should set it to Wrap to window, whereas should you 
> wish to be able to navigate by page, you should set it to Wrap to page.
> 
> The shortcut is Cmd-Shift-w, so it's easy to switch between the two.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 23 Feb 2012, at 16:04, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> The only thing is text edit seems to do what pages does when I try to read. 
>> I use pages for college primarily and text edit for everything else like 
>> notes. When I read I press VO and A to read all and it will stop at the next 
>> page. Also I have to make sure I interact with each page. What do you do 
>> differently.
>> 
>> Becky
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Abbyy Finereader express

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
So I am getting this program as a birthday present, can anyone tell me how it 
works? Can it do things similar to Kurzweil on the PC? Can it take PDF's from 
school that are blank as far as VO is concerned into readable images? I wonder 
if it could work with bookshare books in converting them into text edit 
documents. Has anyone tried it? How well does this program work with VO?  Does 
anyone know if the epson printer scanner that is wireless and comes with the 
Mac is able to do the scanning we as blind people require?

Thanks

Becky

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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Becky Knaub]

I see what you mean. There is a difference in something being accessible and 
being easy and quick for people to use in an equal fashion to sighted people. 
Yes we can type on the keyboard but it is not quick, or that easy. It takes 
time and can be frustrating. I hope they at least think it over.

Becky
On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding this 
> functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not allow 
> adding other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called. The thing 
> is, if Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do the same 
> thing. That may not be a bad thing, alternative keyboards may be a good 
> thing, but I would not count on Apple changing their policy on this one. Also 
> their thought could be, the built in on screen keyboard is already 
> accessible, why not use that? That is a valid point, guess time will tell on 
> this one.
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>> 
>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
>> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
>> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
>> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
>> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
>> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
>> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
>> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
>> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
>> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
>> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
>> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
>> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
>> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
>> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
>> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
>> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
>> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
>> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
>> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
>> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
>> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do something
>> about it. They have always been good at listening to feedback from
>> their accessibility market, so let's take advantage of that to push
>> for this braille keyboard.
>> 
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Re: Accessible word processor

[Becky Knaub]

You could use Pages or Bean or if you want something simpler try text edit. 
Hope that helps

Becky and Ceil
On Jan 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Marc Rocheleau  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> This is pretty simple. I just need a word processor to handle working
> with .rtf files. I guess the ability to open other formats would be
> good as well, but my main use will be editing .rtf files. The person
> who came to assess me for my computer mentioned that Pages was
> accessible but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions that
> might be better and available in the app store. If Pages is just fine
> too, I'd like to hear that as well.
> 
> Thanks again for all your help as I get adjusted to the wonderful
> world of Mac! :)
> 
> -Marc
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Re: Dictation feature of mountain lion

[Becky Knaub]

I have used the dictation feature to dictate documents. However it can be kind 
of frustrating because it tends to make mistakes so you always have to read 
what you've written. When I was doing my internship for college I was using the 
dictation feature to dictate my logs. Hope that helps

Bec and Ceil
On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Jesus Garcia  wrote:

> Different concepts the dictation feature on the Mac is much closer to the
> dictation feature on the I O S devices it is for dictating short text into
> any edit field mostly within the email, message and text editor programs. I
> am certain others on the list can explain better, but for the most part I
> have only used it for short text messages, as I do on the iPohne. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation feature of mountain lion
> 
> How much will that allow you to do compared to Siri?
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hello, I was able to activate the dictation button and the system
> preferences on my Mac. Unfortunately so far I can only get this to work and
> mail. It is probably a mistake on my part.
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Jesus Garcia  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes to both questions so long as you are running Mountain Lion. I 
>>> believe you may need to activate the feature in the systems 
>>> preference I don't recall if it was the default when I set up mountain
> lion.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> ppowell...@aol.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 16:40
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation feature of mountain lion
>>> 
>>> Hi folks, this is a feature, I am not familiar with. I have seen it 
>>> in system preferences. My question is this, will it work on any text 
>>> boxes/iMessage? Will it repeat what it has written? Thanks for any help.
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
>>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "Jesus Garcia"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to be certain you are interacting with the edit field vo 
>>> shift down arrow, then tap the FN key twice you should get the same 
>>> type of tone you get when activating dictation on any of the I 
>>> devices speak your peace then double tap the FN key again. That should do
> it.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai 
>>> Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:41
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation feature of mountain lion
>>> 
>>> Hi when I log onto my Twitter client Searness, I go to the edit field 
>>> to tweet, and I press function key twice, and nothing happens.
>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Brandon Olivares 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Can you explain what you mean?
 
 God bless,
 Brandon Olivares
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> Hi guys, why want to the Mountain lion dictation work when I am on 
> Siri
>>> next question
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Word 2013 for Mac, Accessible or Not?

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
I was just wondering if Word for the Mac is accessible or not. Could somebody 
please let me know. Thanks I really appreciate it. If it is accessible with 
voiceover how well does it work? And if it is successful are there any problems 
that anyone is noticed? How what I've seen of it looks very interesting and 
easier to use than a lot of the word programs that Apple have put out.

Becky 

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Re: office software

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Hi Chris,
I use pages, text edit or Bean. I use pages for writing documents that may need 
more then text edit can give me as far as features and text edit for the simple 
documents that don't require a lot of features. I use being mostly for reading 
documents because pages tends to stop each page while bean will read 
continuously.

Becky & Ceil

On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> what is everybody using for a word processor or spreadsheet application?
> Are there certain reasons why you chose one over the other?
> Thanks.
> Chris
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro.
> Chris Bruinenberg
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Re: OS 6 and iPhone 4

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Same here.

Becky and Ceil
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> Hi,  I'm a little disappointed that Siri and Dictation do not seem to be part 
> of the upgrade to OS6 on my iPhone 4!
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Re: braille display

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
A focus 40 Blue will work with IOS Mac and Windows w/ JAWS. HTH

Becky and Ceil
On Sep 30, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Marianne Denning  wrote:

> This is a cross post because I hope for several responses.  I am
> purchasing a braille display for an elementary student.  This student
> has excellent skills with access technology.  The student will be
> using it with an IDevice and a Mac running OS 10 and Windows 7.  JAWS
> is the screen reader on Windows.  I want a portable display but not
> too small so I am looking at a 32 cell display or a 40 cell display.
> Please let me know your experiences.  The student uses a Braillenote
> too.
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Bookshare books on the Mac

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
I am trying to download a book from Bookshare on my Mac and the xmls format is 
not working. Does anyone have any ideas or can any body tell me a good way to 
convert BRFs into actual words that VO can read or if not could anyone 
recommend a good daisy player that works well with ML?

Thanks,



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Bookshare books and Olearia

[Becky Knaub]

Hi all,
I downloaded Olearia and tried playing both versions of bookshare daisy books 
but it wouldn't play them. I was wondering if anyone has any ideas. I used to 
read them when they were in XML format but now even that won't work. If anyone 
has any ideas I would be very appreciative. Thank you

Becky and Ceil

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Re: Bookshare books and Olearia

[Becky Knaub]

Alex,
I get the following message.
There was a problem loading an audio file.
 Please check the book format for problems.
Olearia will now reset as this book will not play 
I am not sure how you unzip the books. I tried to open them in Olearia 2 
different ways. the first was to open them once I was in Olearia and the second 
was to go to the folder where I have the books and open them that way.
Thanks.

Becky and Ceil
On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I was able to open a book successfully. Granted, it does a poor job of saving 
> my place, navigation is buggy, and the speech rate won't move past a 
> frustratingly slow setting, but it does work. What happens when you open the 
> book? How are you trying to go about this? I had to manually unzip the book, 
> then point Olearia to the folder and select one of the two files it shows.
> On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I downloaded Olearia and tried playing both versions of bookshare daisy 
>> books but it wouldn't play them. I was wondering if anyone has any ideas. I 
>> used to read them when they were in XML format but now even that won't work. 
>> If anyone has any ideas I would be very appreciative. Thank you
>> 
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Re: flat bed scanners

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
I have an epson stylus 420 and it is a printer scanner combo that is wireless. 
I use it with ABBYY fine reader express and it works wirelessly. Not sure if 
you can scan to email wirelessly or not. I never tried it because I really 
don't need that specific feature.

HTH

Becky and Ceil
On Oct 14, 2012, at 12:46 PM, wayne coles  wrote:

> Hello list is there such a thing as a wireless flat bed scanner with email
> options and if so can anybody please give me some details and links thanks
> in advance 
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Re: Trouble reading new bookshare books in xml format

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Hi Greg,
I did not really get anything from the list when I asked this question. ALex 
gave me some suggestions with opening the books in Olearia but they didn't 
work.So I wrote bookshare support about this. Apparently there is a new program 
for the computer which is called read out loud and actually works pretty good 
but can be buggy at times. You download the daisy text file and open in in 
readout loud and it reads it just like read to go. HTH.

Becky and Ceil
If you want instructions on the program download and instalation email me off 
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> Hi all,
> I know there have been a few threads on accessing bookshare books in xml 
> format over the last month or so, but I wanted to follow up to see if anyone 
> had found a solution to the problem I am encountering.  
> 
> I can read bookshare books that I downloaded months ago just fine in the xml 
> format, but for some reason the books I just downloaded only open an empty 
> file in safari.  I'm not sure why that would be unless something has changed 
> about the way bookshare is formatting their files.  Also, when I download a 
> book, it no longer comes in a zip file, but is downloaded as a folder and 
> ready to go.  
> 
> Any thoughts as to why I am not able to open these new books would be 
> appreciated.  I am running the latest update to mountain lion.  
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> Thanks for your help.
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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Becky Knaub]

Hi Marry,
I use a combo of Navigon and Sendero Look around.

Becky and C

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> Hi all,  I just got my first iPhone.  I want to download blind useful apps.  
> I want a GPS for walking around my town mostly and knowing what is around me. 
>  Can anyone give an idea of what I should get?  I also want a money reader, 
> and color detecter.   Mel  
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Re: Bookshare books and Safari redux

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
there is a software called read out loud and there is a version for Mac to read 
bookshare books. This is what I have been using although it is a bit buggy at 
times. Hope this helps. You can get it from bookshare.org website.

Becky and Ceil
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> Just did a software update yesterday and am having trouble opening bookshare 
> xml books in Safari, as others described recently. Can't seem to find the 
> threads on this -- at least not the ones discussing solutions. Looked on 
> bookshare.org, and their support center FAQs link does not appear to be 
> working. Could someone write to me off-list with the link to the discussed 
> solutions, or send me a quick workaround? Thanks much.
> Christine
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Scanning software like Kurzweil for the Mac?

[Becky Knaub]

Hi all,
I was wandering if there are any scanning programs like Kurzweil for the Mac? 
If so does anyone know how much they are? Thank you for answering all my other 
questions Do RFB&D books work on the mac?  Are there any websites that tell you 
what apps work for the mac when voice over is on example applevis for the 
iPhone? Thanks.

Becky

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Questions

[Becky Knaub]

Hi all,
Do Focus 40 Blue braille displays work with the MAC?
If they do as I think they do Could anyone tell me how to make My MBP detect 
the display when its plugged in the USB port? It won't detect the display 
either way ad I have tried everything I can think of.
Since I really need the display to work so I can edit my papers for school I 
would appreciate if anyone could help.

Second Is it possible to play ogg files on the mac and if so what version of 
the software would I need to get for an MBP with Lion on it?

Thanks ,



Becky

On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:41 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

>   Today's Topic Summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
> 
> Selecting in safari [11 Updates]
> THank you, Esther [1 Update]
> The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac computer. this 
> time it's about Sendspace. [2 Updates]
> Question about Conversation View in YoruFukurou [1 Update]
> update on searching mailbox for specific messages in lion [1 Update]
> ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! [1 Update]
> Voice Over And Safari [2 Updates]
> Option-click [1 Update]
> accessing instant message while in a voice chat in skype [1 Update]
> Am I a Member of this group? [3 Updates]
> I can't download anything all of a sudden [1 Update]
>  Topic: Selecting in safari
> Matt Dierckens  Oct 05 08:06AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hey all.
> I have important information on a facebook message and I need to select 
> everything from it. For some reason however, this isn't seeming possible and 
> I'm frustrated about it. If anyone could give me a hand with this please let 
> me know. Thanks.
>  
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> Alex Hall  Oct 05 08:24AM -0400 ^
>  
> The way I've found to do it is:
> 1. Interact with the text and move to the start of the desired selection.
> 2. Hit vo-enter.
> 3. Use normal commands to move from the start to the end of the selection.
> 4. Hit vo-enter again, then cmd-c to copy.
>  
> There's probably an easier way, but that is all I could find on Google
> when I tried selecting the other day.
>  
>  
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>  
> Matt Dierckens  Oct 05 08:33AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hi Alex, I just tried, and VO didn't speak anything when I was selecting 
> things. Then I hit command C and it didn't work. Not sure why though.
> Thanks for the response.
>  
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:24 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>  
>  
> Alex Hall  Oct 05 08:35AM -0400 ^
>  
> Did you interact with the text? I also got no speech and nothing
> selected, but it was because I hadn't interacted with what I wanted to
> copy.
>  
>  
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> Matt Dierckens  Oct 05 08:39AM -0400 ^
>  
> Yep, interacted with the text, it said selecting, then I selected what I 
> wanted to, and hit VO enter and hit command c and it dinged at me.
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:35 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>  
>  
> Alex Hall  Oct 05 08:44AM -0400 ^
>  
> Once you interact, press vo-enter before selecting, then use normal
> navigation (not holding down shift) to move to the end and hit
> vo-enter again.
>  
>  
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>  
> Matthew Campbell  Oct 05 08:49AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hey Matt.
> One thing that you might want to try is this.
> First, get VO to where the text is you want to copy
> Then, press VO shift C to copy the last phrase to the clipboard.
> Finally, go to text edit or where ever and paste
> Just keep doing that over and over until you have all that you want. It's 
> kind of annoying way to do it but...
> One thing to keep in mind is that when VO reads text in safari, it's reading 
> paragraph by paragraph.
> HTH.
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:33 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>  
>  
> Matt Dierckens  Oct 05 08:54AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hey, that worked. Thanks for that. Kind of sucks that you can't just do 
> select all and copy. Ah well.
>  
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:49 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>  
>  
> Alex Hall  Oct 05 08:55AM -0400 ^
>  
> What about vo-shift-a? I seem to recall that copying the chunk of text
> last spoken, not just the phrase.
>  
>  
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>  
> Matthew Campbell  Oct 05 10:08AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hi.
> According to the keyboard help, VO shift A only slects it. However, I've 
> never tried it before.
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:55 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>  
>  
> "Søren Jensen"  Oct 05 04:17PM +0200 ^
>  
> Hi.
>  
> You can do the following which might work:
> Use the latest version of webkit.
> 1: Find the text you wanna copy
> 2: press Vo command f5
> 3: press Vo command shift sp

commands for the mac using the Focus 40 Blue braille display

[Becky Knaub]

Hi,
Does anyone know where to get a list of the commands for the Mac that can be 
done when using the focus 40 blue braille display? I got it to connect via blue 
tooth finally. I thank the update. Because before the update it wouldn't work 
no matter how hard I tried. I get it to recognize when I connect via USB but 
the display itself won't show any braille on it. 

THanks,

Becky and GDF guide dog C
Sent from my MBP

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Question about speech recognition on the mac

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
So I know there is speech recognition on the mac, and I have quite a few 
questions about it.

1. Is it compatible with Voice Over?
2. How does it work with VO? 
3. How good is the quality of it, how is it with picking up your words and 
writing them correctly.

Thanks.

becky and Onyx

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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[becky knaub]

I have experienced it with the South African English voice. I keep the 
Australian English voice running all the time which is what I generally use as 
it can speak fast without sounding completely goofy like Alex does. I do like 
him though but he just doesn't sound right when I have them speak as quickly as 
I can. I keep the south African English voice set at a slower speed so I don't 
have to mess with my voice when I want to show somebody how to do something 
with the iPhone and voiceover. 
Becky and Hazel

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:43 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> American?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2016 2:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence
> 
> Now, now . . . :) How does one explain Alex then? *Wink*.
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>> Well there you go,
>> It's got an austrailian voice, it therrfore has trouble speaking English 
>> without sounding like a circular saw cutting through corogated iron roofing!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2016 7:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence
>> 
>> Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest 
>> iOS, with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with 
>> Alex as well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
>> Christine
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
>>> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ 
>>> with the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you 
>>> have a lot of apps running in the background?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
 On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
 
 
 Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing 
 apps.
 Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
 The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
 iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
 Anyone experiencing this?
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OT The braille note and the index Everest D v4

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have a client who is a braille note apex user and we are trying to get her 
Everest braille embosser to work with her braille note. Unfortunately it will 
work some of the time and then start brailling a bunch of gibberish. If you 
know if the braille note actually works well with The Everest and the settings 
that I should need to check please let me know. If you could tell me why does 
braille correctly and then go to writing in gibberish that would be even more 
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OT The braille note and the index Everest D v4

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know if the braille note actually works well with The Everest and the settings 
that I should need to check please let me know. If you could tell me why does 
braille correctly and then go to writing in gibberish that would be even more 
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Re: KNFB Reader on Iphone

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Hi,
I'm not sure if it will or not. Sometimes things like that will but if there's 
any kind of glare or anything it won't. I would suggest if you need to read the 
computer screen using TapTapSee, Be My Eyes or BeSpecular. I have used 
TapTapSee and Be My Eyes to read things on the computer that VoiceOver wasn't 
reading.

Becky and Hazel

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> I have had luck with this as well as reading screens of devices with 
> dedicated LCD or LED screens that don’t have any sort of accessibility 
> features.
> 
> To be honest, KNFB reader always surprises me with what it actually reads.  
> The iPhone 7+ does a very good job as well but I’ve had remarkable results 
> from the 6 forward.
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 3:16 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> of cores everyone is searching to  find the best accessibility tools
>> to help surviving in life, and I read about the KNFB reader on Iphone,
>> the only thing that will make me buy it is, does it read the computer
>> screen, if I  found something that I could not read with Voice over?
>> this is the most important part for me. because,  the KNFB reader will
>> not read Arabic, but if it can read the computer screen, I will buy it
>> now.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 very chatty?

[becky knaub]

Hi, I don't know if you know this but there is the setting to turn raise to 
speak off. That might stop the issue if you find it unhelpful. I hope that 
helps.

Becky

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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> Not just the 7 but the 6s+ also.
> 
> It's something to do with this new raise to speak 
> It's starting to get annoying 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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> Subject: iPhone 7 very chatty?
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> Is anyone else noticing that their iPhone 7 is very chatty?  When locked, it 
> seems that all I have to do is have my hand somewhere in the vicinity of the 
> phone and it pipes up and speaks the time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[becky knaub]

At first I didn't like it. The more I use it though the more I'm starting to 
like it. I am trying to find which setting needs the lightest press. Anyone 
else have any ideas? It seems like one and three both require you to press 
harder. 


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> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I had 
> a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length of time.  
> It was attached to another device so we were testing from the PC and 
> controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour period to use 
> it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like the capacitive 
> buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even physical 
> identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press and get that 
> response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the response is 
> configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m interested in what others 
> using the 7 think of the touch sensitive virtual button.
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> Thanks
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[becky knaub]

I have the same problem. Voiceover is extremely loud but the alarm is pretty 
soft. Luckily I am an extremely light sleeper so I don't have any problems. 
Just wish voiceover wasn't so loud.
Becky and GDF dog Hazel

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> I’m having the same issue.
> Very soft alarm no matter what sound it’s set to, and once the alarm
> starts voiceover is super loud till the alarm is acted on.
> 
> 
>> On 9/20/16, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
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