tts bug with some voices Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)

[Peter Durieux]

Hi listers,

Do you all remember the tts bug from some previous versions of osx and ios.
The one that misspronaunced emailaddresses and url's.
Well those are fixed in ml for the english or french voices.
Badly to see that this bug is still around with the dutch voices, are there 
others that have the very annoying bug in an other language.

I'm trying to make a list and see how we can motivate apple to fix this one.
Sadly, this is reported more then a couple times, but yeah.

kr

-Peter

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 03:25:57PM -0500, BBS wrote:
> Hi Nick. It’s true that the Nuance voices still say capital before the 
> capital letter. It also says that on the iPhone.
> 
> Shawn
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> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> > With the exception of Alex, doesn't it still say the word "capital" before 
> > each letter even with beeps turned on? Whether pitch change or beeps I 
> > don't mind, I just don't like it saying "capital" each time as that three 
> > syllable word before each one syllable letter is horribly verbose and slow.
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Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
I am seeing this behavior as well. I also saw this under Mountain Lion. I 
thought it was just me who was having this problem. I wonder if the people at 
Skype are aware of this issue?

Jeffrey
On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, BBS  wrote:

> Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
> Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it sometimes 
> unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice that my Mac is 
> getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this problem? It’s only when 
> using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back to ML or try to clean 
> install Mavericks after I get some sighted assistance to help me create a 
> bootable drive. This is really getting stupid.
> 
> Shawn
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Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

No problems with Skype for me. But then my memory is 32 Ram.

Kawal.

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> On 29 Oct 2013, at 08:38 am, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am seeing this behavior as well. I also saw this under Mountain Lion. I 
> thought it was just me who was having this problem. I wonder if the people at 
> Skype are aware of this issue?
> 
> Jeffrey
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, BBS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
>> Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it 
>> sometimes unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice 
>> that my Mac is getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this 
>> problem? It’s only when using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back to 
>> ML or try to clean install Mavericks after I get some sighted assistance to 
>> help me create a bootable drive. This is really getting stupid.
>> 
>> Shawn
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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[Chris H]

To set up different voices for VoiceOver open the VoiceOver utility with 
Vo f8 then press command 3 to switch to the speech pain of the utility. 
I selected Karen as my default voice but you can also have different 
voices for different things in VoiceOver. Now to change the voice for 
the clock go to System Preferences, Date and Time and select the clock 
tab. Check the announce time check box and there will be a button there 
to customize the voice for that. Now to change the voice overall for the 
system go to System Preferences, Dictation and Speech and select the 
text to speech tab.


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On 29/10/2013 03:31, Terje Strømberg wrote:

Hi

How do you setup different voices for Only Voice Over, system and clock?

Take care

28. okt. 2013 kl. 20:31 skrev Chris H :


I am using Karen under Mavericks and she is just brilliant. Superb quality 
sound, human like voice, I actually use her as my VoiceOver voice while Daniel 
is my system voice and Serina excuse spelling for the clock. Do you feel the 
same about Karen? I've even gone as far as removing both Alex and Vicki.
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Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[Ray Foret Jr]

Getting Skype to respond to you?  How loud you want me to laugh?  Seriously, 
Think who owns Skype now.

heh heh heh.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:36 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hi!
> I also have some problems with Skype, The item chooser just makes VO crash. 
> Apple accessibility told me that it is important to let Skype know that the 
> app is making this happen, and I wrote an e-mail, but have no reply.
> Best
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> El 29/10/2013, a las 06:12, BBS  escribió:
> 
>> Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
>> Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it 
>> sometimes unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice 
>> that my Mac is getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this 
>> problem? It’s only when using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back to 
>> ML or try to clean install Mavericks after I get some sighted assistance to 
>> help me create a bootable drive. This is really getting stupid.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White Mac Book
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Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[Kliphton -------]

Was gonna say the same thing.  Although I only have 16 gigs of ram.  Still 
plenty for what I do.


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On Oct 29, 2013, at 3:55 AM, "Kawal Gucukoglu"  wrote:

No problems with Skype for me. But then my memory is 32 Ram.

Kawal.

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> On 29 Oct 2013, at 08:38 am, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am seeing this behavior as well. I also saw this under Mountain Lion. I 
> thought it was just me who was having this problem. I wonder if the people at 
> Skype are aware of this issue?
> 
> Jeffrey
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, BBS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
>> Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it 
>> sometimes unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice 
>> that my Mac is getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this 
>> problem? It’s only when using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back to 
>> ML or try to clean install Mavericks after I get some sighted assistance to 
>> help me create a bootable drive. This is really getting stupid.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White Mac Book
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Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[Daniel Miller]

I have 8gb of ram, but I agree with ray. Who knows if Skype will ever 
acknowledge the problems and fix them?


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> On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Kliphton ---  
> wrote:
> 
> Was gonna say the same thing.  Although I only have 16 gigs of ram.  Still 
> plenty for what I do.
> 
> 
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> On Oct 29, 2013, at 3:55 AM, "Kawal Gucukoglu"  wrote:
> 
> No problems with Skype for me. But then my memory is 32 Ram.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my I phone
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 08:38 am, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am seeing this behavior as well. I also saw this under Mountain Lion. I 
>> thought it was just me who was having this problem. I wonder if the people 
>> at Skype are aware of this issue?
>> 
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, BBS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
>>> Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it 
>>> sometimes unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice 
>>> that my Mac is getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this 
>>> problem? It’s only when using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back to 
>>> ML or try to clean install Mavericks after I get some sighted assistance to 
>>> help me create a bootable drive. This is really getting stupid.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White Mac Book
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Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

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On 28 Oct 2013, at 22:34, Maria From Australia  wrote:

> hi.
> 
> I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from home 
> and so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on all mail. i 
> wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop gmail from 
> downloading everything and help with any sincing problems? 
> any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there anything 
> free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there an accessible 
> email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so I hope it can be 
> resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in case. 
> 
> Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>> There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
>>> There are a few:
>>> 
>>> iCloud
>>> outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
>>> office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
>>> 
>>> What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about using
>>> iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and dirty
>>> workarounds.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  wrote:
 
 Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
>>> mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
>>> changes and I need this at a future date.
 Thanks.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
>>>  wrote:
> Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. Some
>>> of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for instance,
>>> All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
>>> kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like gmail
>>> on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. Messages
>>> get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
>>> which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
>>> explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:
> http://tidbits.com/article/14219
> 
> Best,
> Nic
> 
> 
> On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 
>>> wrote:
> Someone brought up Gmail issues yesterday. There are definite snafus with
>>> Gmail and Mail. basically, the "all mail" folder gets placed in the archive
>>> folder, and it's necessary to have it enabled in Gmail settings on the
>>> website. Depending on how much you use Gmail, this may or may not be a
>>> show-stopper. If you switch to Pop mail, you can no longer use your labels
>>> from the Gmail site, and you'd have to set up local rules for filtering
>>> messages in apple Mail. Also, you can't move Gmail folders in apple mail.
> Since I use Gmail for about 20 mailing lists I'm on, and I sync my mail
>>> with my iPod, I'm going to try not to ditch Gmail for now. Whatever you do,
>>> do *not* go into the "all mail" folder on your devices if you sync with
>>> them, because a huge bog-down will possibly ensue. For example, I have
>>> something like twenty thousand messages in my 'all mail" folder.
> you can find stuff about this issue when you, uh, google it, so just
>>> thought I'd clarify things just a tad. I hope it's clarified, at any rate.
>>> :)
> HtH,
> Teresa
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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[Chris H]

Argh! Forgot about Alex taking in breaths! Will go and re-add him the 
next time I use my mac.


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On 28/10/2013 20:50, BBS wrote:

Yes Chris, I do think Karen is very human sounding but I’m not going to go as 
far as deleting Alex. Vicky maybe, but I like Alex’s ability to take breaths. 
Karen does take breaths sometimes but not all the time. I just wish there was a 
way of getting rid of the pitch changes for data detectors and search boxes. 
Then she would sound perfect.

Shawn
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On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Chris H  wrote:


I am using Karen under Mavericks and she is just brilliant. Superb quality 
sound, human like voice, I actually use her as my VoiceOver voice while Daniel 
is my system voice and Serina excuse spelling for the clock. Do you feel the 
same about Karen? I've even gone as far as removing both Alex and Vicki.
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voice over speech on.

[mario navarro]

hi all.
I need some help if possible.
I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can not 
turn on.


I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any keyboard 
shortcut to activate the voice over speech

I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
I've tried several solutions but without success.
some tips ...
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: voice over speech on.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

command F5. 

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> On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro  wrote:
> 
> hi all.
> I need some help if possible.
> I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can not turn on.
> 
> I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any keyboard 
> shortcut to activate the voice over speech
> I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
> I've tried several solutions but without success.
> some tips ...
> thanks.
> cheers.
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Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Ok stupid question of the year: What’s this Gmail issue that everyone is so 
upset about? Me, i haven’t had any problems at all except that my smtp server 
of the private domain i have flatly refuses to hook up to my smtp server 
despite giving the correct password, but that’s a totally different story.
/Krister

29 okt 2013 kl. 05:17 skrev Steve Holmes :

> I thought I had read some while back that there could be a way to tell gmail 
> to use standard IMAP behavior instead of their approach. I think it was in 
> Google Labs or some such. Anyone know about this or given it a try? Maybe if 
> that were set, Mail might work better with gmail hosted accounts.
> 
> Humm, wonder if there are any other email clients one could try for the Mac? 
> I read somewhere that Thundrbird might be an alternative but I bet the a11y 
> in it is probably no better than with Firefox right now.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> Just to clarify, AOL mail is also free and has been for some years. I'm not 
>> sure if there is an upper limit on the mailbox size but I currently have 
>> about 34,000 messages in my inbox at the moment so whatever the limit is, 
>> it's pretty high.
>> 
>> Full disclosure, I'm currently working with the AOL mail folks to make their 
>> products accessible, but it's not perfect yet.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 10/28/13 6:34 PM, Maria From Australia wrote:
>>> hi.
>>> 
>>> I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from home 
>>> and so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on all mail. 
>>> i wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop gmail from 
>>> downloading everything and help with any sincing problems?
>>> any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there anything 
>>> free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there an 
>>> accessible email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so I 
>>> hope it can be resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in case.
>>> 
>>> Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
 
 There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
 
 CB
 
> On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
> There are a few:
> 
> iCloud
> outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
> office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
> 
> What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about 
> using
> iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and dirty
> workarounds.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
> mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
> changes and I need this at a future date.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> May and Prince Noah
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
>  wrote:
>>> Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. Some
> of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for 
> instance,
> All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
> kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like 
> gmail
> on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. 
> Messages
> get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
> which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
> explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:
>>> http://tidbits.com/article/14219
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Nic
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 
> wrote:
>>> Someone brought up Gmail issues yesterday. There are definite snafus 
>>> with
> Gmail and Mail. basically, the "all mail" folder gets placed in the 
> archive
> folder, and it's necessary to have it enabled in Gmail settings on the
> website. Depending on how much you use Gmail, this may or may not be a
> show-stopper. If you switch to Pop mail, you can no longer use your labels
> from the Gmail site, and you'd have to set up local rules for filtering
> messages in apple Mail. Also, you can't move Gmail folders in apple mail.
>>> Since I use Gmail for about 20 m

Re: voice over speech on.

[mario navarro]

no my friend .

sorry I have not explained myself well.
I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category of 
the voice oversounds

voice over vo utility f8.
now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .

how I can activate the speech again.
I think now you get the idea.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:

command F5.

Sent from my I phone

On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro > wrote:



hi all.
I need some help if possible.
I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can not 
turn on.


I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any keyboard 
shortcut to activate the voice over speech

I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
I've tried several solutions but without success.
some tips ...
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: voice over speech on.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

1.  Press fn-VO-f8 to access the VO Utility.
2.  Press cmd-3 to activate the Speech pane.
3.  Press tab twice.
4.  Press the space bar once.

This should bring VO speech back on.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:25 AM, mario navarro  wrote:

> 
> no my friend .
> 
> sorry I have not explained myself well.
> I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category of the 
> voice oversounds 
> voice over vo utility f8.
> now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .
> 
> how I can activate the speech again.
> I think now you get the idea.
> thanks.
> cheers.
> Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:
>> command F5. 
>> 
>> Sent from my I phone
>> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all.
>>> I need some help if possible.
>>> I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can not turn 
>>> on.
>>> 
>>> I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any keyboard 
>>> shortcut to activate the voice over speech
>>> I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
>>> I've tried several solutions but without success.
>>> some tips ...
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>> 
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Look tell recogniser backup

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello All,

I wondered if there was anyone here familiar with backing up their look tell 
library? I read that there is supposed to be a data button then a share button 
to email the library contents to yourself. I don't have these buttons anywhere.

I'm using an iPhone 5 with IOS 7 and to my knowledge, recogniser is up to date.

Thanks.

Gena
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Re: voice over speech on.

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

In that dialog is also the sound output source selection. Has this been 
changed? Could it be sending it to headphones or something?

Gena

Georgina Joyce
Applied Psychologist
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On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:25, mario navarro  wrote:

> 
> no my friend .
> 
> sorry I have not explained myself well.
> I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category of the 
> voice oversounds 
> voice over vo utility f8.
> now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .
> 
> how I can activate the speech again.
> I think now you get the idea.
> thanks.
> cheers.
> Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:
>> command F5. 
>> 
>> Sent from my I phone
>> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all.
>>> I need some help if possible.
>>> I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can not turn 
>>> on.
>>> 
>>> I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any keyboard 
>>> shortcut to activate the voice over speech
>>> I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
>>> I've tried several solutions but without success.
>>> some tips ...
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>> 
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Re: voice over speech on.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Double tap with three fingers twice on the track Pad?

Sent from my I phone

> On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:25 pm, mario navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> no my friend .
> 
> sorry I have not explained myself well.
> I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category of 
> the voice oversounds 
> voice over vo utility f8.
> now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .
> 
> how I can activate the speech again.
> I think now you get the idea.
> thanks.
> cheers.
> Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:
>> command F5. 
>> 
>> Sent from my I phone
>> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all.
>>> I need some help if possible.
>>> I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can not turn 
>>> on.
>>> 
>>> I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any keyboard 
>>> shortcut to activate the voice over speech
>>> I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
>>> I've tried several solutions but without success.
>>> some tips ...
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>> 
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Re: voice over speech on.

[mario navarro]

Thank you all.
the problem is already solved.
I dont have trackpad.

cheers.
Em 29/10/2013 13:19, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:

Double tap with three fingers twice on the track Pad?

Sent from my I phone

On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:25 pm, mario navarro > wrote:




no my friend .

sorry I have not explained myself well.
I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category 
of the voice oversounds

voice over vo utility f8.
now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .

how I can activate the speech again.
I think now you get the idea.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:

command F5.

Sent from my I phone

On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro > wrote:



hi all.
I need some help if possible.
I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can 
not turn on.


I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any 
keyboard shortcut to activate the voice over speech

I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
I've tried several solutions but without success.
some tips ...
thanks.
cheers.

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Em 29/10/2013 13:19, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:

Double tap with three fingers twice on the track Pad?

Sent from my I phone

On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:25 pm, mario navarro > wrote:




no my friend .

sorry I have not explained myself well.
I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category 
of the voice oversounds

voice over vo utility f8.
now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .

how I can activate the speech again.
I think now you get the idea.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:

command F5.

Sent from my I phone

On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro > wrote:



hi all.
I need some help if possible.
I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can 
not turn on.


I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any 
keyboard shortcut to activate the voice over speech

I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
I've tried several solutions but without success.
some tips ...
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Teresa Cochran]

Yeah, I tried it with the trackpad and with mouse keys. I succeeded with mouse 
keys, simply because I don’t always track straight on the trackpad. With mouse 
keys, you just hold the numpad 2 key down, and it will track straight down off 
the screen, once you press the numpad 0 key to lock the mouse.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> The problem with this approach is that you have to be excruciatingly careful. 
> It is correct but I was never able to accomplish it that way. But I know some 
> are able to do it and that's great! It is not the only way that works though.
> 
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Solved issue.  Tim was right about his latest suggestion.
>> 
>> 1.  From the prefs window, choose classic layout in view tab.
>> 
>> 2.  Now, making sure not to interact with the message table, VO+right just 
>> to the right of it.  IF a horizontal spliter is right next to the message 
>> table, the preview pain is visable.
>> 
>> 3.  Interact with this horizontal spliter and make note of the precentage on 
>> the bar.  It will usually be between say 35 and 40 percent or so.  Slide it 
>> to about 72 percent.  causion.  Do, NOT, attempt to go further or mail will 
>> jam up.
>> 
>> 4.  Now, cease interacting with this spliter.
>> 
>> 5.  Now, rout mouse or track pad to the splitter via VO+CMD+F5.  Needless to 
>> say, make sure track pad commander is off if you are used to using it.
>> 
>> 6.  Now, place a finger at just about the half way point and press down 
>> firmly on pad making sure you feel or hear it click down and hold your 
>> finger there.
>> 
>> 7.  Now, slowly move your finger down as far as it will move.
>> 
>> 8.  Now, remove your finger and check to see where the spliter is.  IF you 
>> find the splitter still where it was before, you have not closed the preview 
>> pain.  IF the splitter is all the way to the bottom right of the screen, it 
>> is closed.
>> 
>> 9.  Just for good measure, quit mail at this point.
>> 
>> 10.  Now, you can reopen mail and set back to standard view.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode 
>>> gives you much better control.
>>> 
>>> Hth,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
>>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Just go up in value a little.  This is just to make sure that the splitter 
 is moving properly and that the mouse will respond.  When using VO to move 
 the splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway.  After 
 you’ve moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the 
 VO cursor, then do the press and drag down thing.  VO should announce 
 “Scroll area” if it worked.  It’s not extremely important where you start 
 the drag from, but it’s best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so 
 that you have lots of drag space.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
> Ah, okay.
> 
> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I 
> fixed that.
> 
> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go 
> down or up in value?  I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 
> percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing 
> so I quit it.  Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track 
> pad thingy?
> 
> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple 
>> Support person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along 
>> with my own experience to come up with my instructions.  I, like Alex, 
>> had everything the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and 
>> then decided to do some testing after seeing some of the frustration 
>> expressed on this list.  Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d 
>> have no problems.  Stupid me.  After lots of fussing, some assistance 
>> from my sighted wife, and some investigation on the web, I determined 
>> that this is an issue for sighted folks too.
>> 
>>

Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

[Teresa Cochran]

I got it turned off permanently, but it takes some intuitive action with 
whatever mouse manipulation is your preferred one. I use mouse keys, because 
they’re independent of VO, and I can be assured that I track straight.

Teresa

"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman

On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> No, this is not the case.  The issue is that, at least so far, if Preview 
> Pane is active, you’ll need to turn it off while in Classic View and it will 
> be applied to both views.  Some folks here have had problems with it sticking 
> but I have not.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with 
>> Mavericks Mail now?
>> 
>> If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain 
>> Lion.
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hey,
>>> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay 
>>> with it myself.
>>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
>>> 
 While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If 
 you close your message view window after making the change to eliminate 
 the preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is 
 back. At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only 
 way to make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, 
 because I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view.
 --
 Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
 
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran  
 wrote:
 
> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for 
> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You 
> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but 
> don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal 
> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the 
> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and 
> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus 
> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key 
> on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the 
> horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can 
> switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you wish.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
> 
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton ---  
> wrote:
> 
>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse 
>> pointer where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, 
>> what key do you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
>> 
>> 
>> Kliphton
>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com
>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in 
>> the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, 
>> they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, 
>> then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer 
>> on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and 
>> this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which 
>> moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I 
>> release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, 
>> because I don’t track straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, 
>> but this way ensures that I do.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Teresa
>>> 
>>> How do you disable the preview pane?
>>> 
>>> Debbie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
>>> 
>>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and 
>>> with
>>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more 
>>> than
>>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
>>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>

Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[Blake Sinnett]

Hello,

They've fixed stuff on iOS, Android and Windows, so I'm sure Mac will get an 
update soon. I'm guessing Skype 7 in December which will hopefully include Opus.

Blake



From: Daniel Miller 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks


I have 8gb of ram, but I agree with ray. Who knows if Skype will ever 
acknowledge the problems and fix them?


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Kliphton ---  wrote:


  Was gonna say the same thing.  Although I only have 16 gigs of ram.  Still 
plenty for what I do.


  Kliphton 
  (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com 
  (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72
  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 29, 2013, at 3:55 AM, "Kawal Gucukoglu"  wrote:


  No problems with Skype for me. But then my memory is 32 Ram.


  Kawal.


  Sent from my I phone

  On 29 Oct 2013, at 08:38 am, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:


Hi,
I am seeing this behavior as well. I also saw this under Mountain Lion. I 
thought it was just me who was having this problem. I wonder if the people at 
Skype are aware of this issue?

Jeffrey
On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, BBS  wrote:


  Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it sometimes 
unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice that my Mac is 
getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this problem? It’s only when 
using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back to ML or try to clean install 
Mavericks after I get some sighted assistance to help me create a bootable 
drive. This is really getting stupid.



  Shawn

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Re: advanced Gmail Imap Settings, Was Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Teresa Cochran]

This looks interesting. I’m going to play with it and see how accessible it is.
http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/10/advanced-imap-settings-for-gmail.html

Teresa

"We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan

On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> Ok stupid question of the year: What’s this Gmail issue that everyone is so 
> upset about? Me, i haven’t had any problems at all except that my smtp server 
> of the private domain i have flatly refuses to hook up to my smtp server 
> despite giving the correct password, but that’s a totally different story.
> /Krister
> 
> 29 okt 2013 kl. 05:17 skrev Steve Holmes :
> 
>> I thought I had read some while back that there could be a way to tell gmail 
>> to use standard IMAP behavior instead of their approach. I think it was in 
>> Google Labs or some such. Anyone know about this or given it a try? Maybe if 
>> that were set, Mail might work better with gmail hosted accounts.
>> 
>> Humm, wonder if there are any other email clients one could try for the Mac? 
>> I read somewhere that Thundrbird might be an alternative but I bet the a11y 
>> in it is probably no better than with Firefox right now.
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> Just to clarify, AOL mail is also free and has been for some years. I'm not 
>>> sure if there is an upper limit on the mailbox size but I currently have 
>>> about 34,000 messages in my inbox at the moment so whatever the limit is, 
>>> it's pretty high.
>>> 
>>> Full disclosure, I'm currently working with the AOL mail folks to make 
>>> their products accessible, but it's not perfect yet.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 10/28/13 6:34 PM, Maria From Australia wrote:
 hi.
 
 I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from home 
 and so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on all 
 mail. i wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop 
 gmail from downloading everything and help with any sincing problems?
 any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there 
 anything free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there 
 an accessible email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so I 
 hope it can be resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in case.
 
 Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
> There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
>> There are a few:
>> 
>> iCloud
>> outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
>> office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
>> 
>> What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about 
>> using
>> iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and 
>> dirty
>> workarounds.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
>> mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
>> changes and I need this at a future date.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> May and Prince Noah
>>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
>>  wrote:
 Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. 
 Some
>> of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for 
>> instance,
>> All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
>> kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like 
>> gmail
>> on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. 
>> Messages
>> get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
>> which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
>> explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:
 http://tidbits.com/article/14219
 
 Best,
 Nic
 
 
 On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 
>> wrote:
 Someone brought up Gmail issues yesterday. There are definite snafus 
 with
>> Gmail and Mail. basically, the "all mail" folder gets placed in the 
>> archive
>> folder, and it's necessa

Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[Rachel Feinberg]

Also, just thought of this, but I've not found a way to do this with Skype on 
Mac. If you told it to keep no chat history, that might improve responsiveness. 
Changed that under Windows just the other day,and it vastly improved skype's 
speed.
Rachel 
On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Blake Sinnett  wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> They've fixed stuff on iOS, Android and Windows, so I'm sure Mac will get an 
> update soon. I'm guessing Skype 7 in December which will hopefully include 
> Opus.
>  
> Blake
>  
> 
> From: Daniel Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks
> 
> I have 8gb of ram, but I agree with ray. Who knows if Skype will ever 
> acknowledge the problems and fix them?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Kliphton ---  
> wrote:
> 
>> Was gonna say the same thing.  Although I only have 16 gigs of ram.  Still 
>> plenty for what I do.
>> 
>> 
>> Kliphton
>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com
>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 3:55 AM, "Kawal Gucukoglu"  wrote:
>> 
>> No problems with Skype for me. But then my memory is 32 Ram.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my I phone
>> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 08:38 am, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I am seeing this behavior as well. I also saw this under Mountain Lion. I 
>>> thought it was just me who was having this problem. I wonder if the people 
>>> at Skype are aware of this issue?
>>> 
>>> Jeffrey
>>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, BBS  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
 Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it 
 sometimes unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice 
 that my Mac is getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this 
 problem? It’s only when using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back 
 to ML or try to clean install Mavericks after I get some sighted 
 assistance to help me create a bootable drive. This is really getting 
 stupid.
 
 Shawn
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Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Teresa Cochran]

Basically, you have to make your “all mail” visible on anything that uses gmail 
if you want Apple Mail to play nicely with Gmail. In a lot of cases, many folks 
have thousands of messages in the all mail folder, so the system can really bog 
down and cause some synchronization issues. Also, you have potentially many 
many messages on your local system.

Teresa

"The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham

On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> Ok stupid question of the year: What’s this Gmail issue that everyone is so 
> upset about? Me, i haven’t had any problems at all except that my smtp server 
> of the private domain i have flatly refuses to hook up to my smtp server 
> despite giving the correct password, but that’s a totally different story.
> /Krister
> 
> 29 okt 2013 kl. 05:17 skrev Steve Holmes :
> 
>> I thought I had read some while back that there could be a way to tell gmail 
>> to use standard IMAP behavior instead of their approach. I think it was in 
>> Google Labs or some such. Anyone know about this or given it a try? Maybe if 
>> that were set, Mail might work better with gmail hosted accounts.
>> 
>> Humm, wonder if there are any other email clients one could try for the Mac? 
>> I read somewhere that Thundrbird might be an alternative but I bet the a11y 
>> in it is probably no better than with Firefox right now.
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> Just to clarify, AOL mail is also free and has been for some years. I'm not 
>>> sure if there is an upper limit on the mailbox size but I currently have 
>>> about 34,000 messages in my inbox at the moment so whatever the limit is, 
>>> it's pretty high.
>>> 
>>> Full disclosure, I'm currently working with the AOL mail folks to make 
>>> their products accessible, but it's not perfect yet.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 10/28/13 6:34 PM, Maria From Australia wrote:
 hi.
 
 I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from home 
 and so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on all 
 mail. i wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop 
 gmail from downloading everything and help with any sincing problems?
 any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there 
 anything free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there 
 an accessible email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so I 
 hope it can be resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in case.
 
 Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
> There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
>> There are a few:
>> 
>> iCloud
>> outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
>> office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
>> 
>> What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about 
>> using
>> iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and 
>> dirty
>> workarounds.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
>> mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
>> changes and I need this at a future date.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> May and Prince Noah
>>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
>>  wrote:
 Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. 
 Some
>> of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for 
>> instance,
>> All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
>> kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like 
>> gmail
>> on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. 
>> Messages
>> get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
>> which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
>> explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:
 http://tidbits.com/article/14219
 
 Best,
 Nic
 
 
 On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 
>> wrote

Re: advanced Gmail Imap Settings, Was Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Teresa Cochran]

Ok, sorry; I didn’t notice how dated that article is. I’m still going to 
research this, however.

Teresa

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
dark to read."--Groucho Marx

On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> This looks interesting. I’m going to play with it and see how accessible it 
> is.
> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/10/advanced-imap-settings-for-gmail.html
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Ok stupid question of the year: What’s this Gmail issue that everyone is so 
>> upset about? Me, i haven’t had any problems at all except that my smtp 
>> server of the private domain i have flatly refuses to hook up to my smtp 
>> server despite giving the correct password, but that’s a totally different 
>> story.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 29 okt 2013 kl. 05:17 skrev Steve Holmes :
>> 
>>> I thought I had read some while back that there could be a way to tell 
>>> gmail to use standard IMAP behavior instead of their approach. I think it 
>>> was in Google Labs or some such. Anyone know about this or given it a try? 
>>> Maybe if that were set, Mail might work better with gmail hosted accounts.
>>> 
>>> Humm, wonder if there are any other email clients one could try for the 
>>> Mac? I read somewhere that Thundrbird might be an alternative but I bet the 
>>> a11y in it is probably no better than with Firefox right now.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
 Just to clarify, AOL mail is also free and has been for some years. I'm 
 not sure if there is an upper limit on the mailbox size but I currently 
 have about 34,000 messages in my inbox at the moment so whatever the limit 
 is, it's pretty high.
 
 Full disclosure, I'm currently working with the AOL mail folks to make 
 their products accessible, but it's not perfect yet.
 
 CB
 
 On 10/28/13 6:34 PM, Maria From Australia wrote:
> hi.
> 
> I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from 
> home and so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on 
> all mail. i wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop 
> gmail from downloading everything and help with any sincing problems?
> any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there 
> anything free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there 
> an accessible email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so 
> I hope it can be resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in 
> case.
> 
> Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>> There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
>>> There are a few:
>>> 
>>> iCloud
>>> outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
>>> office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
>>> 
>>> What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about 
>>> using
>>> iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and 
>>> dirty
>>> workarounds.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  
 wrote:
 
 Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
>>> mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
>>> changes and I need this at a future date.
 Thanks.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
>>>  wrote:
> Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. 
> Some
>>> of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for 
>>> instance,
>>> All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, 
>>> Mail
>>> kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like 
>>> gmail
>>> on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. 
>>> Messages
>>> get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
>>> which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
>>> explain, interested people are better off

Re: mail views all messed up now

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ah, but, when you use the mouse keys, do you need to press the FN key on the 
bluetooth keyboard or notebook keyboard?  
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Yeah, I tried it with the trackpad and with mouse keys. I succeeded with 
> mouse keys, simply because I don’t always track straight on the trackpad. 
> With mouse keys, you just hold the numpad 2 key down, and it will track 
> straight down off the screen, once you press the numpad 0 key to lock the 
> mouse.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> The problem with this approach is that you have to be excruciatingly 
>> careful. It is correct but I was never able to accomplish it that way. But I 
>> know some are able to do it and that's great! It is not the only way that 
>> works though.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Solved issue.  Tim was right about his latest suggestion.
>>> 
>>> 1.  From the prefs window, choose classic layout in view tab.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Now, making sure not to interact with the message table, VO+right just 
>>> to the right of it.  IF a horizontal spliter is right next to the message 
>>> table, the preview pain is visable.
>>> 
>>> 3.  Interact with this horizontal spliter and make note of the precentage 
>>> on the bar.  It will usually be between say 35 and 40 percent or so.  Slide 
>>> it to about 72 percent.  causion.  Do, NOT, attempt to go further or mail 
>>> will jam up.
>>> 
>>> 4.  Now, cease interacting with this spliter.
>>> 
>>> 5.  Now, rout mouse or track pad to the splitter via VO+CMD+F5.  Needless 
>>> to say, make sure track pad commander is off if you are used to using it.
>>> 
>>> 6.  Now, place a finger at just about the half way point and press down 
>>> firmly on pad making sure you feel or hear it click down and hold your 
>>> finger there.
>>> 
>>> 7.  Now, slowly move your finger down as far as it will move.
>>> 
>>> 8.  Now, remove your finger and check to see where the spliter is.  IF you 
>>> find the splitter still where it was before, you have not closed the 
>>> preview pain.  IF the splitter is all the way to the bottom right of the 
>>> screen, it is closed.
>>> 
>>> 9.  Just for good measure, quit mail at this point.
>>> 
>>> 10.  Now, you can reopen mail and set back to standard view.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode 
 gives you much better control.
 
 Hth,
 Teresa
 
 "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's 
 too dark to read."--Groucho Marx
 
 On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Just go up in value a little.  This is just to make sure that the 
> splitter is moving properly and that the mouse will respond.  When using 
> VO to move the splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% 
> anyway.  After you’ve moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring 
> mouse focus to the VO cursor, then do the press and drag down thing.  VO 
> should announce “Scroll area” if it worked.  It’s not extremely important 
> where you start the drag from, but it’s best to do so from the top half 
> of the Trackpad so that you have lots of drag space.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Ah, okay.
>> 
>> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I 
>> fixed that.
>> 
>> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go 
>> down or up in value?  I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 
>> 87 percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do 
>> nothing so I quit it.  Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try 
>> the track pad thingy?
>> 
>> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ray,
>>> 
>>> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple 
>>> Support person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along 
>>> with my own experience to come up with my instruc

Re: advanced Gmail Imap Settings, Was Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Teresa Cochran]

Ok, if you go to gmail on the web, settings then pop, Imap and forwarding, 
there are a bunch of advanced Imap settings, such as expunging messages 
immediately, limiting folder size, etc. This only applies to Imap, *not pop 
settings.

Hth,
teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Ok, sorry; I didn’t notice how dated that article is. I’m still going to 
> research this, however.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
> 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> This looks interesting. I’m going to play with it and see how accessible it 
>> is.
>> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/10/advanced-imap-settings-for-gmail.html
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Ok stupid question of the year: What’s this Gmail issue that everyone is so 
>>> upset about? Me, i haven’t had any problems at all except that my smtp 
>>> server of the private domain i have flatly refuses to hook up to my smtp 
>>> server despite giving the correct password, but that’s a totally different 
>>> story.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 29 okt 2013 kl. 05:17 skrev Steve Holmes :
>>> 
 I thought I had read some while back that there could be a way to tell 
 gmail to use standard IMAP behavior instead of their approach. I think it 
 was in Google Labs or some such. Anyone know about this or given it a try? 
 Maybe if that were set, Mail might work better with gmail hosted accounts.
 
 Humm, wonder if there are any other email clients one could try for the 
 Mac? I read somewhere that Thundrbird might be an alternative but I bet 
 the a11y in it is probably no better than with Firefox right now.
 
 On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
 
> Just to clarify, AOL mail is also free and has been for some years. I'm 
> not sure if there is an upper limit on the mailbox size but I currently 
> have about 34,000 messages in my inbox at the moment so whatever the 
> limit is, it's pretty high.
> 
> Full disclosure, I'm currently working with the AOL mail folks to make 
> their products accessible, but it's not perfect yet.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 10/28/13 6:34 PM, Maria From Australia wrote:
>> hi.
>> 
>> I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from 
>> home and so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on 
>> all mail. i wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would 
>> stop gmail from downloading everything and help with any sincing 
>> problems?
>> any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there 
>> anything free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there 
>> an accessible email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so 
>> I hope it can be resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in 
>> case.
>> 
>> Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
 There are a few:
 
 iCloud
 outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
 office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
 Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
 
 What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about 
 using
 iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and 
 dirty
 workarounds.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
 mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
 changes and I need this at a future date.
> Thanks.
> 
> May and Prince Noah
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
  wrote:
>> Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. 
>> Some
 of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for 
 instance,
>>

Not able to copy and paste loops in New Garageband.

[Daniela Rubio]

Hi!
I am trying to get around the new Garageband. How ever, I am encountering a 
major problem, I can not take a loop from the loop browser to my track. I can 
find the browser correctly, reproduce the loops, but no way to copy or to drag 
them to my current track. Please, doe’s anybody have some idea on how to do 
this? or we need to report that.
Thanks!
Best

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Re: advanced Gmail Imap Settings, Was Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Nicholas Parsons]

Yes, apparently limiting the folder size of IMAP folders helps, though it would 
be annoying not to be able to search through old email.

I turned on All Mail before upgrading, and once I upgraded I just opened Mail 
and let it sync with gmail for several hours. I didn't try using Mail at all 
during this time, and I didn't use gmail from any other device. It got stuck at 
one point and I had to quit Mail and reopen, but apart from this it doesn't 
seem to be having any problems. It seems to be working fine, except for the 
other VoiceOver related issues in Mail. I only have around ten thousand 
messages in All Mail, so that's probably one reason. I also didn't use Mail 
with Mavericks for too long given other issues, so perhaps I didn't use it long 
enough to have problems. I think the biggest issue is just that people had 
problems trying to use gmail while it was taking time to re-format every 
message to work in the new Apple Mail—gMail way.

For people wanting to know more about this, google Joe Kissell's articles on 
TidBits about gmail and Apple Mail. He's the guru on this subject. His latest 
article is here:
http://tidbits.com/article/14219

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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[Nicholas Parsons]

I downloaded the Karen voice update but haven't noticed any difference. Do I 
need to delete and re-download or do anything else to get the updated voice 
working?

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Re: a showstopper in the latest safari update

[Nicholas Parsons]

Alex,
Do you have All Mail enabled for IMAP in Gmail settings? And around how many 
messages do you have in All Mail? Some people have found that limiting the size 
of IMAP folders in gmail has helped the issues. It's not something I want to do 
or something anyone should have to do but it might help if you have a huge 
number of messages.

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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[BBS]

Hi Nick. That’s what I did to get the new version of Karen. A restart may be 
required though because it won’t let you empty the trash sometimes.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> I downloaded the Karen voice update but haven't noticed any difference. Do I 
> need to delete and re-download or do anything else to get the updated voice 
> working?
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Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks

[BBS]

Hi Rachel. I looked through all the Skype preferences and there’s no way of 
telling Skype to not keep a chat history. I still want to know if I can 
downgrade Skype. If SamNet’s Socializer were supported on the Mac, I’d just say 
forget the regular Skype client and use that. Although Chrome is giving me 
problems here too.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

> Also, just thought of this, but I've not found a way to do this with Skype on 
> Mac. If you told it to keep no chat history, that might improve 
> responsiveness. Changed that under Windows just the other day,and it vastly 
> improved skype's speed.
> Rachel 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Blake Sinnett  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> They've fixed stuff on iOS, Android and Windows, so I'm sure Mac will get an 
>> update soon. I'm guessing Skype 7 in December which will hopefully include 
>> Opus.
>>  
>> Blake
>>  
>> 
>> From: Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:15 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Newest Skype with OS X Mavericks
>> 
>> I have 8gb of ram, but I agree with ray. Who knows if Skype will ever 
>> acknowledge the problems and fix them?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Kliphton ---  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Was gonna say the same thing.  Although I only have 16 gigs of ram.  Still 
>>> plenty for what I do.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kliphton
>>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com
>>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 3:55 AM, "Kawal Gucukoglu"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No problems with Skype for me. But then my memory is 32 Ram.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my I phone
>>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 08:38 am, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I am seeing this behavior as well. I also saw this under Mountain Lion. I 
 thought it was just me who was having this problem. I wonder if the people 
 at Skype are aware of this issue?
 
 Jeffrey
 On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, BBS  wrote:
 
> Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
> Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it 
> sometimes unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice 
> that my Mac is getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this 
> problem? It’s only when using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back 
> to ML or try to clean install Mavericks after I get some sighted 
> assistance to help me create a bootable drive. This is really getting 
> stupid.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White Mac Book
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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

[Richard Ring]

How can you use mouse keys without a numpad? I’ve tried over 15 times to close 
preview pane using track pad! Funny, I did it in Mountainlion the first time I 
tried!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I got it turned off permanently, but it takes some intuitive action with 
> whatever mouse manipulation is your preferred one. I use mouse keys, because 
> they’re independent of VO, and I can be assured that I track straight.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> No, this is not the case.  The issue is that, at least so far, if Preview 
>> Pane is active, you’ll need to turn it off while in Classic View and it will 
>> be applied to both views.  Some folks here have had problems with it 
>> sticking but I have not.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with 
>>> Mavericks Mail now?
>>> 
>>> If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain 
>>> Lion.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 hey,
 i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay 
 with it myself.
 On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
 
> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If 
> you close your message view window after making the change to eliminate 
> the preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is 
> back. At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only 
> way to make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, 
> because I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for 
>> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. 
>> You can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, 
>> but don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the 
>> horizontal splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press 
>> the zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then 
>> press and hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s 
>> focus changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the 
>> period/delete key on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be 
>> sure the horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, 
>> you can switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you wish.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton ---  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse 
>>> pointer where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, 
>>> what key do you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kliphton
>>> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com
>>> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in 
>>> the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, 
>>> they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, 
>>> then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse 
>>> pointer on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad 
>>> once, and this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, 
>>> which moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something 
>>> different, I release the mouse key with numpad period. I like using 
>>> this method, because I don’t track straight with a traditional mouse or 
>>> the trackpad, but this way ensures that I do.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
>>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Teresa
 
 How do you disable the preview pane?
 
 Debbie
 
 
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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Mouse Keys without a NumPad is accomplished with the 7, 8, 9, u, i, o, j, k, l 
and m keys.  The 7, 8, 9 are obviously the 7, 8 and 9 keys of the NumPad.  The 
u, i and o keys relate to the 4, 5 and 6 keys of the NumPad.  The j, k and l 
keys relate to the 1, 2 and 3 keys of the NumPad.  Finally, the m key is the 0 
of the NumPad.  Make sure to not leave Mouse Keys turned on as it can also mess 
up some command key functions.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Richard Ring  wrote:

> How can you use mouse keys without a numpad? I’ve tried over 15 times to 
> close preview pane using track pad! Funny, I did it in Mountainlion the first 
> time I tried!
> 
> 
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
> richr...@gmail.com
> 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> I got it turned off permanently, but it takes some intuitive action with 
>> whatever mouse manipulation is your preferred one. I use mouse keys, because 
>> they’re independent of VO, and I can be assured that I track straight.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>> Feynman
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> No, this is not the case.  The issue is that, at least so far, if Preview 
>>> Pane is active, you’ll need to turn it off while in Classic View and it 
>>> will be applied to both views.  Some folks here have had problems with it 
>>> sticking but I have not.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>>> 
 So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with 
 Mavericks Mail now?
 
 If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain 
 Lion.
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
> hey,
> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will 
> stay with it myself.
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> 
>> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If 
>> you close your message view window after making the change to eliminate 
>> the preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane 
>> is back. At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. 
>> Only way to make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A 
>> shame, because I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for 
>>> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. 
>>> You can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, 
>>> but don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the 
>>> horizontal splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. 
>>> Press the zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, 
>>> then press and hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear 
>>> VO’s focus changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the 
>>> period/delete key on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to 
>>> be sure the horizontal splitter and preview pane are gone. At this 
>>> point, you can switch back to modern view in Mail preferences if you 
>>> wish.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton --- 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse 
 pointer where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad 
 period, what key do you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss 
 understanding?
 
 
 Kliphton
 (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com
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 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" 
  wrote:
 
 I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in 
 the accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, 
 they actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, 
 then move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse 
 pointer on the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad 
 once, and this locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 
 key, which moves the mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something 
 different, I release the mouse key with numpa

IText express and Maverick

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

Has anyone noticed any problems with iText express under Maverick? I don't seem 
to make any of my keyboard keys work. TextEdit behaves in the similar fashion.

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Re: Unified Braille.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Gigi

I would like them too.

Thank you an advance.

Best regards Annie.
Den 25 Oct 2013 kl. 21:18 skrev Eugenia Firth :

> Hi Kawal
> I just sent you three brf files that I think are what you want. If anybody 
> else needs them, let me know. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
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>> Hello.
>> 
>> I was writing in unified Braille using my braille display on my I phone and 
>> could not find how to use the at sign or underscore.  Happily for me, as I 
>> work in the transcription department at the Royal National Institute of the 
>> Blind in the UK, I asked one of my colleagues to find it in her print book 
>> which I don't have yet electronically until I start producing this Braille 
>> next year as all transcription will be going UEB. 
>> 
>> So my question is, does anyone have the unified Braille code and if so can 
>> someone send it to me please?
>> 
>> Thank you very much.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

You are right but I can not get in contact with the developers.

Is there any tools out there that can be used instead of macupdate desktop.

Thank you an advance.

Best regards Annie.
Den 29 Oct 2013 kl. 05:06 skrev Steve Holmes :

> Hi Annie,
> 
> You might wanna try and contact the developers of Mac Update Desktop and ask 
> them about Mavericks compatibility. Some companies like Rogue Omoeba are 
> working on updates to their apps to be compatible with Mavericks. Hopefully 
> these guys will do likewise.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi John.
>> 
>> Yes if the app still worked, it could also update dropbox. The advantage is 
>> that you can get macupdate desktop to do a lot of that updating work. It is 
>> one of the most useful apps I have.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 27 Oct 2013 kl. 22:09 skrev John Sanfilippo :
>> 
>>> Oo, 
>>> 
>>> Would this work to update dropbox?, I mean, if it works at all?
>>> 
>>> John S
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nic.
>>> 
>>> I use macupdate desktop for updating apps, that I have not purchased from 
>>> the app store. It is an advantage, because some apps is a little difficult 
>>> to find, and macupdate desktop lets me update them just by one click. 
>>> Macupdate desktop will download them and install them. Also these 
>>> silverlight apps and other audio apps, which is a bit tricky. I am really 
>>> sad, that the app does not work now.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>> Den 27 Oct 2013 kl. 21:38 skrev Nicholas Parsons 
>>> :
>>> 
 Sorry I can't answer your question, but perhaps you can answer one of 
 mine. What does the MacUpdate Desktop do? What's the advantage of using 
 it? I have some software from MacUpdate and am often interested in their 
 deals, but wasn't exactly sure why I would want or need the desktop app. 
 Does it allow you to brows, view or purchase new apps?
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Re: Pages and dates

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I was under the impression that Office did not work with VO. Is this not 
correct?
Max. 
On 29/10/2013, at 5:09 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Tim,
> 
> Yes, the old iWork was still there after the update to Mavericks, but my 
> problem is that I have to teach iWork and anyone getting a new Mac will have 
> the new versions of the applications. I’ve reported all the problems I’ve 
> found so far using the facility from within Pages and directly to 
> Accessibility.
> 
> I’ve been defending iWork as a viable alternative to MS Office ever since it 
> became accessible with iWork09, but as it stands, I can no longer do that. 
> iWork is no longer a serious office suite for anyone running a business.
> 
> Even just a few days after the release of the new versions of the apps, there 
> were hundreds of criticisms on the Apple discussion boards.
> 
> I hope Apple takes note and does something about it quickly before they lose 
> a lot of customers.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2013, at 00:02, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> I was reading up on some Pages issues and you’re not alone in your 
>> frustration with Mail Merge fields and such.  I noticed that when upgrading 
>> from iWork 09 to the new Pages and such that my old version of iWork 09 
>> remained on my Mac in my Applications folder.  Yours should have done the 
>> same since you were running from a older CD install of iWork.  If you didn’t 
>> already get rid of it, you are able to run the Pages 4.3 in Mavericks as 
>> well and the Mail Merge functionality is still there.  If not, you should 
>> still be able to re-install it from your original CD then have both usable 
>> copies of Pages.  Not the best way of running things but may help with some 
>> of the lost features that you were accustomed to.  Beyond that, it appears 
>> that quite a number of people have been letting Apple know their 
>> disappointment with these feature losses and maybe they will re-instate them 
>> in a future update.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m going through my teaching materials for Pages and finding problems. The 
>>> latest one is that we can no longer modify the date style in a document 
>>> using a contextual menu. Pages takes the date style from System 
>>> preferences/Language&Region/Advanced where it uses the Full version of the 
>>> date. We can copy whatever style of date we like into that field, but this 
>>> is really irritating as, speaking for myself, I don’t always want to use 
>>> the same format.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
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Re: Pages and dates

[Anne Robertson]

MS Office does not work with VO. Many people say they can’t use a Mac because 
there’s no acceptable alternative to MS Office that’s accessible. And now, I 
have to agree that iWork is no longer up to the job. In reality, iWork no 
longer exists. There are just three stand-alone applications: Pages, Numbers 
and Keynote. IWork used to be integrated with Contacts and Calendars making it 
very powerful for generating invoices, letters to customers and many other 
things that businesses need. Pages is now just an elegant little home word 
processor.

Cheers,

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> Hi,
> I was under the impression that Office did not work with VO. Is this not 
> correct?
> Max. 

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Profissional piano tuner

[ramy moustafa]

Hi all:
 
I’m using my iphone for tuning piano, it’s my work, I’m taking some courses in 
tuning piano, and I need your experience, because I need a professional tuner.
I’m using the talking tuner but it’s not a professional tuner at all.
 
Help please!
 
Thanks
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Re: Profissional piano tuner

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Sorry replied to wrong thread please ignore thanks.

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On 29/10/2013 23:01, Chris H wrote:

Sandra sounds good.

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On 29/10/2013 22:47, ramy moustafa wrote:



Hi all:

I’m using my iphone for tuning piano, it’s my work, I’m taking some
courses in tuning piano, and I need your experience, because I need a
professional tuner.
I’m using the talking tuner but it’s not a professional tuner at all.

Help please!

Thanks
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Re: Profissional piano tuner

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Sandra sounds good.

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Hi all:

I’m using my iphone for tuning piano, it’s my work, I’m taking some courses in 
tuning piano, and I need your experience, because I need a professional tuner.
I’m using the talking tuner but it’s not a professional tuner at all.

Help please!

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Re: Profissional piano tuner

[Scott B.]

I will talk to my friend who is a piano tuner and get back with you.


On 10/29/2013 16:47, ramy moustafa wrote:



Hi all:

I’m using my iphone for tuning piano, it’s my work, I’m taking some 
courses in tuning piano, and I need your experience, because I need a 
professional tuner.


I’m using the talking tuner but it’s not a professional tuner at all.

Help please!

Thanks

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Re: Profissional piano tuner

[Scott B.]

Ramy,

Can you please email me off the list at this email address:

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Hi all:

I’m using my iphone for tuning piano, it’s my work, I’m taking some 
courses in tuning piano, and I need your experience, because I need a 
professional tuner.


I’m using the talking tuner but it’s not a professional tuner at all.

Help please!

Thanks

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Pleading, begging and groveling for hhelp once again: bookshare troubles

[Christine Grassman]

Good day/night all. I have written to bookshare support about this twice, but 
surprisingly for bookshare, no one has gotten back to me.

Since the reinstallation of ML on my MacBook, I cannot open bookshare titles 
which I previously read.  Unread files open fine, but those I had already 
opened are registering as "empty html". I erased all of the files of one of 
these books, then redownloaded to see if this would make a difference.  It did 
not.
I do have the book in Read2Go and in Voice Dream, but there does not appear to 
be a way to sync it to my MacBook using iTunes. Since I need it for lesson 
planning with my students and reading it with them in class, I cannot use 
Read2Go; I must have it on my MacBook.
If anyone can suggest a reason for this issue  and a workaround, I would 
appreciate it. 
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Re: voice over speech on.

[mario navarro]

hi, thanks friend. good tip.
cheers.
Em 29/10/2013 13:04, Tim Kilburn escreveu:

Hi,

1.  Press fn-VO-f8 to access the VO Utility.
2.  Press cmd-3 to activate the Speech pane.
3.  Press tab twice.
4.  Press the space bar once.

This should bring VO speech back on.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:25 AM, mario navarro > wrote:




no my friend .

sorry I have not explained myself well.
I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category 
of the voice oversounds

voice over vo utility f8.
now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .

how I can activate the speech again.
I think now you get the idea.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:

command F5.

Sent from my I phone

On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:01 pm, mario navarro > wrote:



hi all.
I need some help if possible.
I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can 
not turn on.


I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any 
keyboard shortcut to activate the voice over speech

I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
I've tried several solutions but without success.
some tips ...
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Pleading, begging and groveling for hhelp once again: bookshare troubles

[Greg Aikens]

Just a thought: Several of us had a similar problem a while ago.  The fix was 
to go into the Preferences in Safari, choose the Advanced tab, and then check 
the box that says "Show Develop menu."  Then, go into the Develop menu from the 
menu bar and select "Disable Local File Restrictions."  For whatever reason, 
the default was to not allow local files to be opened in safari.  

Hope this helps.

-Greg



On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> Good day/night all. I have written to bookshare support about this twice, but 
> surprisingly for bookshare, no one has gotten back to me.
> 
> Since the reinstallation of ML on my MacBook, I cannot open bookshare titles 
> which I previously read.  Unread files open fine, but those I had already 
> opened are registering as "empty html". I erased all of the files of one of 
> these books, then redownloaded to see if this would make a difference.  It 
> did not.
> I do have the book in Read2Go and in Voice Dream, but there does not appear 
> to be a way to sync it to my MacBook using iTunes. Since I need it for lesson 
> planning with my students and reading it with them in class, I cannot use 
> Read2Go; I must have it on my MacBook.
> If anyone can suggest a reason for this issue  and a workaround, I would 
> appreciate it. 
> Christine
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Re: Profissional piano tuner

[Chris Blouch]

I know nothing about piano tuning other than the $100 I pay to get mine 
done when it starts to sound bad. I did poke around in the app store and 
and found several and must say that those are some of the most expensive 
iPhone apps I've ever run across. For that price I guess it would be 
worth contacting them first to find out if they are accessible with 
voiceover.


CB

On 10/29/13 6:47 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:



Hi all:

I’m using my iphone for tuning piano, it’s my work, I’m taking some 
courses in tuning piano, and I need your experience, because I need a 
professional tuner.


I’m using the talking tuner but it’s not a professional tuner at all.

Help please!

Thanks

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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to the person having bookshare problems

[alia robinson]

If you are trying to open .xml files on saphari this never works for 
me. I have to switch the extension to .html, and they work everytime. 

Alia

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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[Nicholas Parsons]

Thanks, Shawn! And how do I delete it? Is it just a matter of unchecking the 
checkbox for the voice, restarting and checking it again? Or do I need to find 
where the files are stored and delete those?
Thanks for your help,
Nic

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Re: voice over speech on.

[Tim Kilburn]

Glad to help.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:30 PM, mario navarro  wrote:

> 
> hi, thanks friend. good tip.
> cheers.
> Em 29/10/2013 13:04, Tim Kilburn escreveu:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 1.  Press fn-VO-f8 to access the VO Utility.
>> 2.  Press cmd-3 to activate the Speech pane.
>> 3.  Press tab twice.
>> 4.  Press the space bar once.
>> 
>> This should bring VO speech back on.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:25 AM, mario navarro  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> no my friend .
>>> 
>>> sorry I have not explained myself well.
>>> I uncheck the option to speak the voice over sounds in the category of the 
>>> voice oversounds 
>>> voice over vo utility f8.
>>> now I have the voice over on but without speech.  .
>>> 
>>> how I can activate the speech again.
>>> I think now you get the idea.
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>> Em 29/10/2013 12:05, Kawal Gucukoglu escreveu:
 command F5. 
 
 Sent from my I phone
 
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> hi all.
> I need some help if possible.
> I turned off the speech of voice over unintentionally and now can not 
> turn on.
> 
> I do not have a trackpad and would like to know is there any keyboard 
> shortcut to activate the voice over speech
> I have an imac and I have no trackpad.
> I've tried several solutions but without success.
> some tips ...
> thanks.
> cheers.
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