Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

[Lewis Alexander]

I'm going to chime in on this.

as you're not yet a mac user, please don't go by one lack of access to a 
particular application, there are plenty of backup applications availlable 
which can do the job, as well as time machine already built in to OS X as well 
as simple disk cloning where necessary through one of a few hard drive cloning 
apps. one of which I use but considering it's early morning and my brain hasn't 
wired up via cat5 yet lol, I can't remember the name.

if you're considering the mac, don't be put off by one application issue, 
there's more than 1 way to perform a task remember.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 01:59, agent086b wrote:

> Well, I don't have a Mac yet. I am only going on what there support told me.
> It would really be great if one of you had the time to download the trial and 
> let us know.
> Thanks,
> Max.
> 
>  Original Message  
> Subject: Re: No Carbonite on the Mac
> From: Mike Arrigo 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:23:38 -0500
>> I've actually heard that it does work, I think there is a trial, so you 
>> might download it and see how it works.
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:20 PM, agent086b wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> recently I asked if Carbonite online backup could be used on the Mac with 
>>> no reply.
>>> I wrote to Carbonite and asked the question if Carbonite worked with 
>>> VoiceOver. I have received a reply from the company. They say that 
>>> Carbonite will not work with the Mac Screen reader.
>>> I have asked them to let me know if and when it will. As Carbonite is a 
>>> wonderful backup service that many of you could benefit from, you might 
>>> like to write to supp...@carbonite.com and ask that they make it accessible 
>>> with VoiceOver. They already have a Mac version of the program, it is just 
>>> that will not work with VO.
>>> 
>>> Does anybody use an online backup service that works with VO?
>>> Still finding as many answers before the switch to the iMac.
>>> Max.
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Scott Howell]

I've been using ABBYY FineReader Express and find it meets most all of my needs.

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:

> Hi all!
> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a 
> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with my 
> old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.  I 
> guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic 
> stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
> Jim
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
> 
>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the latest 
>> release and there is some support for at least one digital camera in that 
>> patch upgrade.
>> 
>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think they 
>> can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not release a 
>> version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of 
>> Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it worth 
>> it for them to do that.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> 
>>> Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
>>> Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true that 
>>> it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the scanning 
>>> phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't have the space 
>>> nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went back to college, 
>>> I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I have now.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
>>> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
 Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
 
 To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
 and
 the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
 acquisition experience.
 
 I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
 to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
 automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
 
 I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
 
 I could go on and on but ...
 
 I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
 if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
 
 I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
 scanner away for good.
 
 
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Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

[Dan Eickmeier]

My experience with carbonite is that it actually is  fairly accessible.  ONe 
issue  I do have, is  when I attempt to look at my backup, I can't  drill down 
into my backup, like I can any folder that has sub-folders   in finder, I seem 
to get taken back to the top level of my backup when attempting to do this.  
It's interesting that Carbonite support actually said it's totally inaccessible 
with VO.  the  system pref pane is actually not too bad in my opinion, with the 
 exception of that one issue.  Carbonite like a lot of third-party  apps does 
have an item in the menu bar, which we cannot access.  Aside from  that, I've 
actually been very happy with carbonite  on the mac.  

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Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

[Gigi]

Hi guys
It's interesting that you should say that you had been able to use Carbonite 
just fine. I tried to use Carbonite back in the days when I was using Windows. 
I couldn't get it to work completely withdraws. Also, I did not have good luck 
with their customer service. I called them and the customer support person just 
didn't get it one tried to explain that I was trying to use the speech computer.
I'm buying all this up to say that it's real interesting that some of these 
third-party companies say that things won't work with voiceover, and then folks 
on this list start using the program. Four instance, the Abby find Wietor 
people told me that their program wouldn't work with voiceover.
I know, some of you are talking about using it. So, what does that mean were 
supposed to do if we want to know if something works with voice over for sure? 
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> My experience with carbonite is that it actually is  fairly accessible.  ONe 
> issue  I do have, is  when I attempt to look at my backup, I can't  drill 
> down into my backup, like I can any folder that has sub-folders   in finder, 
> I seem to get taken back to the top level of my backup when attempting to do 
> this.  It's interesting that Carbonite support actually said it's totally 
> inaccessible with VO.  the  system pref pane is actually not too bad in my 
> opinion, with the  exception of that one issue.  Carbonite like a lot of 
> third-party  apps does have an item in the menu bar, which we cannot access.  
> Aside from  that, I've actually been very happy with carbonite  on the mac.  
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Gigi]

Isn't there a pro version for Abby fine reader question
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> I've been using ABBYY FineReader Express and find it meets most all of my 
> needs.
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:
> 
>> Hi all!
>> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a 
>> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with 
>> my old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.  
>> I guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic 
>> stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>> 
>>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the 
>>> latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera in 
>>> that patch upgrade.
>>> 
>>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
>>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think 
>>> they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not 
>>> release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of 
>>> Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it 
>>> worth it for them to do that.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> 
 Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
 Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true 
 that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the 
 scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't have 
 the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went back 
 to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I have now.
 

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Lewis Alexander]

no. the only version coded for the mac is express. that's how it's been for a 
while now.

it would be handy if there was a pro version for mac offering a few extra bells 
and whistles, etc but hey, that's how it is.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:27, Gigi wrote:

> Isn't there a pro version for Abby fine reader question
> Regards
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> I've been using ABBYY FineReader Express and find it meets most all of my 
>> needs.
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all!
>>> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a 
>>> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with 
>>> my old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document. 
>>>  I guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for 
>>> basic stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine 
>>> reader.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>>> 
 It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the 
 latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera 
 in that patch upgrade.
 
 As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
 Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think 
 they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not 
 release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of 
 Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it 
 worth it for them to do that.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
 Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
 
 
> Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
> Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true 
> that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the 
> scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't 
> have the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went 
> back to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I 
> have now.
> 
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Gigi]

Hi guys
It really bothers me that a company that makes specialized software would make 
a remark about not doing software for us totally blind folks because they 
couldn't make any money on it. First of all, I have a real problem that there 
is a special software for the totally blind folks, and another software for 
others. But they really need, is Kurzweil 4000, to combine everything. I see no 
reason why they can't do it. It seems to me, they just don't want to. Besides, 
if one is a partially sighted person, and they buy an expensive program that 
they can use with their vision, and their vision gets worse, then they have to 
spend big bucks to get a different program. I see no reason why the disabled 
community should support that kind of attitude.
Regards
Gigi

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On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:45 PM, "David Tanner"  wrote:

> Well, Kurzweil upgrades are quite reasonable.  Regardless of what version of 
> the software you have the upgrade price is $125.  So, if you are at version 6 
> you can go all the way to version 12 for $125 and if there is a new version 
> within a year I believe that you get it for free, but don't take that for 
> absolute fact .  I am not a Kurzweil dealor and I may be wrong on the free 
> upgrade to the next version if it comes out within less than a year.  But I 
> do know the upgrade price is $125.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
> 
> 
>> No, I haven't upgraded in many years, didn't think the accuracy of OCR 
>> really improved all that much necessarily, only used it for scanning mail 
>> once in awhile, but all in one printers sure scan slower than any scanner 
>> I've used before. I wish I knew where I put the big box that probably had 
>> version 6 in it, but if it's like Jaws or anything else I'll end up with a 
>> new disk when I purchase the upgrade. I hope those are still reasonable yet.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "David Tanner" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> 
>>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the 
>>> latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera in 
>>> that patch upgrade.
>>> 
>>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
>>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think 
>>> they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not 
>>> release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy 

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Jim Gatteys]

$99 I Believe but not sure about that price but its a quick download and does a 
good basic job from my perspective.
Jim

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:46 PM, David Tanner wrote:

> And, I bet it is a lot cheaper too.

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Jim Gatteys]

My understanding is that there is only the express version for the mac.
Jim

On Apr 3, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Gigi wrote:

> Isn't there a pro version for Abby fine reader question
> Regards
> Gigi

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Help with an energy parameter in mac please

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello All:
A friend of mine just purchased a macbook pro and he did not selected to use a 
password at startup. How ever, when using the battery, and the computer enters 
in suspension mode if he doesn't touch any key in 2 minutes, the system asks 
for a password. If he presses enter all is back to normal, but it is very 
annoying that the computer doesn't continue to work without asking for an 
inexistent password. Is there a way of prevent this to happen?
We already checked the users obtains in system preferences, but we can't find 
where to fix it.
Thank you so much!

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I believe you can get a scanner and the Abby Fine Reader as a package from the 
Apple store as I may do alomg with a printer when finances allow but not sure 
yet.

Just another prospective.

I do uxe Kurzweil what ever version it is at work as they use windows vut its 
slow!  May be it would be slower on a virtual windows 7 machine.

Kawaal.

On 3 Apr 2012, at 11:21 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> $99 I Believe but not sure about that price but its a quick download and does 
> a good basic job from my perspective.
> Jim
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:46 PM, David Tanner wrote:
> 
>> And, I bet it is a lot cheaper too.
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[erik burggraaf]

Have they got that thing to where it will process OCR directly on the host mac? 
 I don't want to be sending my business documents off to a cloud for 
processing, and I don't necessarily want to recommend something to clients that 
relies on an internet connection for processing.

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On 2012-04-02, at 8:30 PM, David Tanner wrote:

> Congratulations on getting the Pearl, but I would suggest to you that you not 
> do away with your scanner completely.  You will find times when a thick book 
> or so;mething that you cannot keep flat without applying pressure is going to 
> do better on a scanner.  The Pearl has a fixed focus, meaning that if the 
> document or book is to o thick it will be somewhat out of focus, and thus you 
> will not get a good picture for recognition.  Your choices then are to find 
> something about the same thickness to place the camera on in order to get the 
> text back in focus or place the document on a flatbed scanner to scan the 
> document.
> 
> The Hovercam with the DocuScan Plus works very nicely on the Mac once you get 
> familiar with how to adjust the camera to just the right height to get the 
> best picture. DocuScan Plus may not do everything that OpenBook does, but it 
> does a lot and has many great features for $299, and once you purchase it you 
> can use it both for Windows and Apple.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Erichsen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:41 PM
> Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR
> 
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under windows.
>> 
>> The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
>> from Serotek and the EyePal.
>> 
>> Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
>> everything I've scanned.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
>> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
>> 
>> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
>> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
>> acquisition experience.
>> 
>> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
>> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
>> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
>> 
>> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
>> 
>> I could go on and on but ...
>> 
>> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
>> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
>> 
>> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
>> scanner away for good.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[erik burggraaf]

Jim, I have a hovercam on order and will be testing it with fine reader express 
in the next three weeks.

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On 2012-04-02, at 10:35 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:

> Hi all!
> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a 
> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with my 
> old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.  I 
> guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic 
> stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
> Jim
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
> 
>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the latest 
>> release and there is some support for at least one digital camera in that 
>> patch upgrade.
>> 
>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think they 
>> can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not release a 
>> version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of 
>> Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it worth 
>> it for them to do that.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> 
>>> Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
>>> Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true that 
>>> it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the scanning 
>>> phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't have the space 
>>> nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went back to college, 
>>> I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I have now.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
>>> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
 Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
 
 To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
 and
 the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
 acquisition experience.
 
 I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
 to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
 automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
 
 I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
 
 I could go on and on but ...
 
 I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
 if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
 
 I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
 scanner away for good.
 
 
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[erik burggraaf]

Well, it all depends.

They are down to about 3 grand for a really good 40 cell, and there are some 
32's for a few hundred cheeper.  Or you could go with a refreshabraille 18 for 
under 2 grand.  These prices are still a bit extreme, but they are half what 
they were even 3 years ago.  Change is coming, it just takes time.

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On 2012-04-03, at 12:13 AM, James Mannion wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> I envy you acquiring the braille display especially. I really wish I
> were incorrect, but I know I am not missing anything or out of date in
> my understanding that the price of braille displays are just
> rediculously out of sight in price about 3 to 4 times over and then
> some. Still being a common man and feeling blessed and lucky to be
> able to achieve a few thousand in savings at any point in time at best
> I don't think a braille display for personal use is anywhere in my
> near future. Maybe I have already said too much, but what it takes to
> be able to obtain such technology just makes you throw your hands up
> in frustration.
> 
> On 4/2/12, David Tanner  wrote:
>> And, I bet it is a lot cheaper too.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jim Gatteys" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all!
>> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a
>> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with
>> my old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.
>> I guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic
>> stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>> 
>>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the
>>> latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera
>>> in that patch upgrade.
>>> 
>>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is
>>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think
>>> they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not
>>> release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of
>>> 
>>> Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it
>>> worth it for them to do that.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> 
 Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson
 Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true
 that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the
 scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't
 have the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went
 
 back to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I
 have now.
 
 - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
 Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
 
 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
> 
> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook
> 
> and
> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
> acquisition experience.
> 
> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows
> one
> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
> 
> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
> 
> I could go on and on but ...
> 
> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am
> wondering
> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
> 
> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
> scanner away for good.
> 
> 
> Mark
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Re: Eloquent

[M. Taylor]

Thank you CJ.  I really do appreciate you checking this out for me.

Have a wonderful day and God Bless.

Mark
On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:41 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> Unfortunately, the NIV doesn't seem to be available.  Eloquent is powered by 
> the Sword Project.  The Sword Project is a cross platform that is provided by 
> cross wired.org for various non-profit Christian ministries to afford them 
> the capability to share God's word & study it on a free basis.  Hence, while 
> the versions available are extensive, some of the publishers of the more 
> modern versions are not willing to make them available for this application.
> 
> Anyway, it's a great study tool & I just keep the Blue Letter Bible open in 
> Safari for times when I need the NIV, NLT SE, NKJV, or The Message.  I do 
> enjoy the NLT & miss having it on my system, but I'm not willing to pay the 
> out rageous prices for some of the other available software. 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 3:16 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello CJ and thank you for replying.
>> 
>> I will be happy to purchase the N I V if, in fact, it is available.  
>> 
>> Would you be so kind as to make an inquiry on my behalf?  
>> 
>> I eagerly await your reply.
>> 
>> Mark 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CJ Daniel
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:27 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Eloquent
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the NIV is not one of the free downloads.  There are many
>> versions, so I haven't asked the Eloquent community about versions that must
>> be purchased.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I just finished reading through this thread.
>>> 
>>> If I may:
>>> 
>>> Can one download the NIV using this program?  While I'm almost 
>>> positive the answer is yes, I do not see where this is stated in the
>> thread.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CJ Daniel
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:17 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Eloquent
>>> 
>>> Walter,
>>> 
>>> You might try closing out Voice Over & relaunching it.  If that 
>>> doesn't work, then ditto for Safari.  Lastly, if none of the above 
>>> fix's the problem, then bookmark the page & reboot your system.  I 
>>> don't know why, but sometimes things just go haywire & you've got to start
>> from zero.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
>>> 
 I am having trouble with downloading it.
 I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the 
 zip
>>> file and nothing is happening.
 
 On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
> Walter,
> 
> I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent 
> Bible
>>> software you'll find it pretty quick.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
> 
>> Where can I download this software from?
>> Walter
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>> 
>>> Sarai,
>>> 
>>> Follow the following steps.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
>>> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
>>> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
>>> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
>>> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
>>> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up 
>>> Arrow
>>> to leave the tool bar.
>>> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
>>> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
>>> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts,
>>> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
>>> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with
>>> VO-Right Arrow to the right most table.
>>> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
>>> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop 
>>> Up
>>> Button & select Install.
>>> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to 
>>> the
>>> Tool Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right 
>>> end of the Tool Bar.
>>> 
>>> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning 
>>> before
>>> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
>>> encounter any problems.
>>> 
>>> God bless,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>>> 
 Hi:
 How do you find other versions of

weird copying problem

[Eugenia Firth]

I have a storage card that has files copied from and to my PacMate. I want to 
copy the files to the Mac, but it won't let me copy any brf files from this 
storage card. I took the ones off it complained about, but it keeps finding 
more brf files it doesn't like. I don't reallyn need the brf files from this 
storage card because I have the same things elsewhere on the Mac. However, I 
want the other files like the rtf ones I have. Anybody got a clue why it won't 
let me get past the brf files and copy the others?
 

Regards,
Gigi

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[M. Taylor]

Hello David.

I completely agree with you.

The only way I was able to afford my new products is because I was able to turn 
my Apple skills into a marketable business product.

Mark
On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:13 PM, James Mannion wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> I envy you acquiring the braille display especially. I really wish I
> were incorrect, but I know I am not missing anything or out of date in
> my understanding that the price of braille displays are just
> rediculously out of sight in price about 3 to 4 times over and then
> some. Still being a common man and feeling blessed and lucky to be
> able to achieve a few thousand in savings at any point in time at best
> I don't think a braille display for personal use is anywhere in my
> near future. Maybe I have already said too much, but what it takes to
> be able to obtain such technology just makes you throw your hands up
> in frustration.
> 
> On 4/2/12, David Tanner  wrote:
>> And, I bet it is a lot cheaper too.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jim Gatteys" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all!
>> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a
>> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with
>> my old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.
>> I guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic
>> stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>> 
>>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the
>>> latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera
>>> in that patch upgrade.
>>> 
>>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is
>>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think
>>> they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not
>>> release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of
>>> 
>>> Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it
>>> worth it for them to do that.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> 
 Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson
 Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true
 that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the
 scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't
 have the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went
 
 back to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I
 have now.
 
 - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
 Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
 
 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
> 
> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook
> 
> and
> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
> acquisition experience.
> 
> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows
> one
> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
> 
> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
> 
> I could go on and on but ...
> 
> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am
> wondering
> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
> 
> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
> scanner away for good.
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Amadeus or GarageBand

[Nektarios Mallas]

So in other words, you can not play back midi tracks using your own external 
synthesizer connected to a midi port. 
Well, that's unfortunate.

Nektarios.

On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:42 AM, Ed Worrell wrote:

> You can use the included voices in garageband, and then switch them to see 
> what they would sound like as a different instrument. You also can copy midi 
> tracks into Garageband an play around with the different voices to change the 
> effects. I don't think it records in midi format though.
> hth
> Ed
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Re: Amadeus or GarageBand

[Lewis Alexander]

the design behind garageband is only a software instrument user interface and 
not a fully fledged midi audio workstation interface. Garageband is limited in 
it's usage and is designed for the user learning to produce music at a basic 
level or for work linked to iphoto and imovie audio procesing or ringtone 
creation.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 14:04, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> So in other words, you can not play back midi tracks using your own external 
> synthesizer connected to a midi port. 
> Well, that's unfortunate.
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:42 AM, Ed Worrell wrote:
> 
>> You can use the included voices in garageband, and then switch them to see 
>> what they would sound like as a different instrument. You also can copy midi 
>> tracks into Garageband an play around with the different voices to change 
>> the effects. I don't think it records in midi format though.
>> hth
>> Ed
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Learning Spanish

[Emrah]

Morning listers,

I am looking for an accessible software to learn Spanish.

Do you have any experience?

Best,
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Re: Learning Spanish

[Lewis Alexander]

the main applications like rosetta stone are not accessible to blind users 
using any screen reader because of the very nature of their application 
environment being graphical and audible.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 14:23, Emrah wrote:

> Morning listers,
> 
> I am looking for an accessible software to learn Spanish.
> 
> Do you have any experience?
> 
> Best,
> Emrah
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Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

I use Carbonite on my Mac, have done since owning a Mac, circa October 2010. I 
have it on all three of my Mac's.

The icon for it at the top of the screen near to the clock is, as others have 
said, inaccessible.

However, it is easily accessed through the System Preferences menus. Given you 
setup Carbonite and then can forget about it, this hardly seems a major 
limitation to me.

I once a month nip into it, just to check all looks good, that the indicators 
for how much data has been backed up etc are seeming right, and once a week I 
leave my Mac on all night to ensure that the backup is completely up to date.

This is only necessary if you change / update a lot of content on a regular 
bases.

The reason I specifically like Carbonite compared to a lot of the other backup 
options out there is that it is fully automated, download, install, pay and 
leave it alone. It just works.

You can use their web-site quite easily to check your specific files which are 
currently backed up, you can, within the System Preferences controls indicate 
an automatic backup, or a specific set of files / folders you want to be backed 
up.

This is what I do, as i am not worried about applications or other such things, 
I just backup all users Documents, Music, Movies and Pictures folders. This 
gets all the essential stuff.

I also use Time Machine to backup all machines locally to a NAS.

But, yes, Carbonite works just fine for the most part, certainly if you just 
want a point and shoot backup solution you can feel confident in, Carbonite 
will not let you down.


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On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:25, Gigi wrote:

Hi guys
It's interesting that you should say that you had been able to use Carbonite 
just fine. I tried to use Carbonite back in the days when I was using Windows. 
I couldn't get it to work completely withdraws. Also, I did not have good luck 
with their customer service. I called them and the customer support person just 
didn't get it one tried to explain that I was trying to use the speech computer.
I'm buying all this up to say that it's real interesting that some of these 
third-party companies say that things won't work with voiceover, and then folks 
on this list start using the program. Four instance, the Abby find Wietor 
people told me that their program wouldn't work with voiceover.
I know, some of you are talking about using it. So, what does that mean were 
supposed to do if we want to know if something works with voice over for sure? 
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> My experience with carbonite is that it actually is  fairly accessible.  ONe 
> issue  I do have, is  when I attempt to look at my backup, I can't  drill 
> down into my backup, like I can any folder that has sub-folders   in finder, 
> I seem to get taken back to the top level of my backup when attempting to do 
> this.  It's interesting that Carbonite support actually said it's totally 
> inaccessible with VO.  the  system pref pane is actually not too bad in my 
> opinion, with the  exception of that one issue.  Carbonite like a lot of 
> third-party  apps does have an item in the menu bar, which we cannot access.  
> Aside from  that, I've actually been very happy with carbonite  on the mac.  
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Re: Learning Spanish

[Jennifer Perdue]

Hello,

I would love this information also.  

I tried a free version of Rosetta Stone and it is totally visual.  

If you have another way to learn spanish that is auditory I would also love to 
know what it is so I could start learning myself.

That was a wonderful question.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Emrah wrote:

> Morning listers,
> 
> I am looking for an accessible software to learn Spanish.
> 
> Do you have any experience?
> 
> Best,
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Re: Amadeus or GarageBand

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello, thanks for your message and your always valuable information.
So then, do you think that is doable a combination of GarageBand and Logic pro 
for some good recording production on the Mac? 
I understand that Logic is not very accessible right now, but will at least I 
be able to do some basic midi recording with Logic and some more editing in 
GarageBand? What I need is midi to be played back from my external 
synthesizers, and then send them as recorded audio to GarageBand. 
Well, I hope I am making some sense. 

Nektarios.

On Apr 3, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

> the design behind garageband is only a software instrument user interface and 
> not a fully fledged midi audio workstation interface. Garageband is limited 
> in it's usage and is designed for the user learning to produce music at a 
> basic level or for work linked to iphoto and imovie audio procesing or 
> ringtone creation.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 3 Apr 2012, at 14:04, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
> 
>> So in other words, you can not play back midi tracks using your own external 
>> synthesizer connected to a midi port. 
>> Well, that's unfortunate.
>> 
>> Nektarios.
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:42 AM, Ed Worrell wrote:
>> 
>>> You can use the included voices in garageband, and then switch them to see 
>>> what they would sound like as a different instrument. You also can copy 
>>> midi tracks into Garageband an play around with the different voices to 
>>> change the effects. I don't think it records in midi format though.
>>> hth
>>> Ed
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Re: Learning Spanish

[Becky Knaub]

You and Me both.

Becky and Ceily 
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> Hello,
> 
> I would love this information also.  
> 
> I tried a free version of Rosetta Stone and it is totally visual.  
> 
> If you have another way to learn spanish that is auditory I would also love 
> to know what it is so I could start learning myself.
> 
> That was a wonderful question.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Morning listers,
>> 
>> I am looking for an accessible software to learn Spanish.
>> 
>> Do you have any experience?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Emrah
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Re: Help with an energy parameter in mac please

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Daniela,

There's a check box in the Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences for 
Require password after sleep or screen saver. Also, the delay before sleep may 
be set too short.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hello All:
> A friend of mine just purchased a macbook pro and he did not selected to use 
> a password at startup. How ever, when using the battery, and the computer 
> enters in suspension mode if he doesn't touch any key in 2 minutes, the 
> system asks for a password. If he presses enter all is back to normal, but it 
> is very annoying that the computer doesn't continue to work without asking 
> for an inexistent password. Is there a way of prevent this to happen?
> We already checked the users obtains in system preferences, but we can't find 
> where to fix it.
> Thank you so much!
> 
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RE: Learning Spanish

[Brian Miller]

Has anyone had much luck in terms of accessibility with the Pimmsler line of
language products?

Brian M
 

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> 
> You and Me both.
> 
> Becky and Ceily
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I would love this information also.  
> > 
> > I tried a free version of Rosetta Stone and it is totally visual.  
> > 
> > If you have another way to learn spanish that is auditory I 
> would also love to know what it is so I could start learning myself.
> > 
> > That was a wonderful question.
> > 
> > Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> > On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Emrah wrote:
> > 
> >> Morning listers,
> >> 
> >> I am looking for an accessible software to learn Spanish.
> >> 
> >> Do you have any experience?
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> Emrah
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Re: Help with an energy parameter in mac please

[Daniela Rubio]

Ww!
It was so hidden! Thank you so much, now it is solved!
We always learn something new, even if wi think that we know a lot!

> Cheers

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El 03/04/2012, a las 17:26, Anne Robertson escribió:

> Hello Daniela,
> 
> There's a check box in the Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences for 
> Require password after sleep or screen saver. Also, the delay before sleep 
> may be set too short.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 3 Apr 2012, at 12:30, Daniela Rubio wrote:
> 
>> Hello All:
>> A friend of mine just purchased a macbook pro and he did not selected to use 
>> a password at startup. How ever, when using the battery, and the computer 
>> enters in suspension mode if he doesn't touch any key in 2 minutes, the 
>> system asks for a password. If he presses enter all is back to normal, but 
>> it is very annoying that the computer doesn't continue to work without 
>> asking for an inexistent password. Is there a way of prevent this to happen?
>> We already checked the users obtains in system preferences, but we can't 
>> find where to fix it.
>> Thank you so much!
>> 
>> SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T.
>> MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE.
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Re: Amadeus or GarageBand

[Lewis Alexander]

sadly, logic pro 9 is not bind friendly. as I stated this in a post some months 
ago, I won't go into the why's and wherefores of it all. to make logic blind 
friendly, it requires a major rewrite of all plugins, the main arrange window, 
mixer and more.

your best option is to examine protools 10 as a system. you can get pro tools 
10 as a bundle with the AVID hardware for a reasonable price.

other than that, if you still use windows and JAWS, you would be best using 
cakewalk sonar with either the caketalking scripts from dancing dots or the j 
sonar scripts which are free and reasonably viable.

Sorry I can't give better news but if you're going to be working midi and need 
accessibility, pro tools is your best bet.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 15:43, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> Hello, thanks for your message and your always valuable information.
> So then, do you think that is doable a combination of GarageBand and Logic 
> pro for some good recording production on the Mac? 
> I understand that Logic is not very accessible right now, but will at least I 
> be able to do some basic midi recording with Logic and some more editing in 
> GarageBand? What I need is midi to be played back from my external 
> synthesizers, and then send them as recorded audio to GarageBand. 
> Well, I hope I am making some sense. 
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
> 
>> the design behind garageband is only a software instrument user interface 
>> and not a fully fledged midi audio workstation interface. Garageband is 
>> limited in it's usage and is designed for the user learning to produce music 
>> at a basic level or for work linked to iphoto and imovie audio procesing or 
>> ringtone creation.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 3 Apr 2012, at 14:04, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
>> 
>>> So in other words, you can not play back midi tracks using your own 
>>> external synthesizer connected to a midi port. 
>>> Well, that's unfortunate.
>>> 
>>> Nektarios.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:42 AM, Ed Worrell wrote:
>>> 
 You can use the included voices in garageband, and then switch them to see 
 what they would sound like as a different instrument. You also can copy 
 midi tracks into Garageband an play around with the different voices to 
 change the effects. I don't think it records in midi format though.
 hth
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Jim Gatteys]

Cool Erik, let me know how that goes.  I'd love to have one of those.
Jim

On Apr 3, 2012, at 6:41 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Jim, I have a hovercam on order and will be testing it with fine reader 
> express in the next three weeks.
> 
> Best,
> 
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> On 2012-04-02, at 10:35 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:
> 
>> Hi all!
>> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a 
>> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with 
>> my old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.  
>> I guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic 
>> stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>> 
>>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the 
>>> latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera in 
>>> that patch upgrade.
>>> 
>>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
>>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think 
>>> they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not 
>>> release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of 
>>> Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it 
>>> worth it for them to do that.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> 
 Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
 Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true 
 that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the 
 scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't have 
 the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went back 
 to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I have now.
 
 - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
 Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
 
 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
> 
> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
> and
> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
> acquisition experience.
> 
> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
> one
> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
> 
> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
> 
> I could go on and on but ...
> 
> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
> 
> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
> scanner away for good.
> 
> 
> Mark
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Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Chris,

Its anonymous, Apple are not probing your computer, they are probing a 
computer. There is in law, a difference.

Your example of what you were doing can cause issues legally as cookies and 
other such internet based tools collect data which is personally identifiable


Regards,

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Talks List Administrator
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On 2 Apr 2012, at 20:05, Chris Blouch wrote:

I think if it came out that Apple was probing your system to figure out if you 
are using assistive technology (which probably means you have a disability) and 
did this without asking you first, the press and various advocate organizations 
would have a field day around violation of personal privacy. But, I'm not a 
lawyer and, in this case, it's all conjecture. I do know that I was contacted 
by some folks from a large web advertising company about my coding an MSAA 
detector on web browsers. It eventually got shot down by their privacy folks 
for the aforementioned reason. So my opinion is not without some basis.

CB

On 4/2/12 2:57 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I know 
> of...
> 
> I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on Earth 
> wouldn't they?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 2 Apr 2012, at 16:46, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
> I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer tracking and 
> privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were using voiceover 
> would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to self-identify as having 
> a disability or have that info pried out of their system config and a company 
> that did that secretly or otherwise would probably have a PR mess once it was 
> found out.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
>> this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for 
>> apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.
>> 
>> so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you 
>> purchase a new mac, start up and register your mac, you should  be able to 
>> fill in a questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option 
>> for disabled users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, 
>> or operating system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind 
>> users, so it gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in 
>> voiceover and app support.
>> 
>> just a thought on this.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Ricardo,
>>> 
>>> True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a 
>>> blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering 
>>> it from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying 
>>> your Mac from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good 
>>> idea of the number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact 
>>> to the last person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times 
>>> they are not.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 I really can't argue with that.  selecting text on the web is quite a 
 chore on the Mac.  I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency 
 of a office suite for power users of such applications is the Macs 
 greatest weakness at this point in comparison to jaws with windows.  But 
 progress is being made.  If anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, 
 and compared that to snow leopard or Lion, they would see what I mean. 
 lol.  Or, even iWorks 2008 which was completely inaccessible, to iWorks 
 2009 which has some accessibility.  That's why I urge everyone to write 
 Apple sharing some of your thoughts in regards to topics like this.  How 
 else can we honestly expect Voiceover to improve without feedback.  It 
 doesn't matter how small, or insignificant the idea or complaint might be. 
  Its been my experience that its the little things like adding a keystroke 
 to check the time that really can enhance the user experience of a product.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur   wrote:
 
> HI there,
> 
> I am going to create some controversy probably with my post.
> 
> I think t

New Tech Doctor podcast "Virtually In Australia with the Piano-Man, Scott Erichsen

[Robert Carter]

In this Tech Doctor podcast, Robert makes a virtual trip to Australia where he 
catches up with the professional musician and access technology specialist, 
Scott Erichsen.

Scott tells us about his formal training as a jazz pianist. He describes how 
having perfect pitch has helped him to quickly reproduce the music that he 
hears. Scott talks about the importance of braille in writing music and the 
necessity to have really excellent teachers.

Robert and Scott then move in to a discussion of access technology describing 
how blind people in Australia go about acquiring and utilizing access 
technology. Scott talks about his work as a tester, evaluator and trainer. They 
discuss mainstream versus specialized technology and explore some ways of 
bridging the two.

The podcast concludes with a discussion of Scott's current music, a pending 
trip to the U.S. and Scott's two currently available albums. Finally, Robert 
finishes the podcast by playing one of Scott's recordings called "Places."

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Mary Otten]

There is a difference between the people who develop the kurzweil product and 
the management of the parent company of which the kesi developers are a very 
small part. That's the problem with big companies. If you're a small market, 
you get what they give you and have no leverage. Small companies who do care 
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Re: This is frustrating

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,

DId you solve your mail problem? As far as I know the all mail folder is not 
something ou can delete messages from. It is a folder that keeps track of all 
your messages in all folders 

If you want write on or  off list with more specific folder problems you are 
having.

hth,

Ioana
Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Mar 25, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> I am looking for an email that I think I deleted but I don't know how to 
> search for it. I have looked in other boxes that have stuff in it that 
> shouldnt be in them at all. 
> 
> I try to delete my all mail folder and I have to select 1 thing at time. I 
> have thousands of messages in several boxes that I don't know how they got 
> there but I can't keep selecting 1 ata time to delete.
> 
> Help please.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 9:16 PM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I did manage to get the network back online in my VM Win 7 machine.  I still 
>> cannot remap the keys, though, and I am also wondering if this is normal VM 
>> behavior.  I am using Win 7 with the latest Window-eyes, and whenever I 
>> resume the virtual machine after suspending it window-eyes starts reading 
>> the same line over and over again and the only way I can stop it is to 
>> restart Windows.  Insights appreciated.
>> 
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any way to get vo to say selected status before the item

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hello,

When in list view and entering select mode I would love vo to say selected 
before telling me the name of last item. e.g. in mail if I select a message it 
reads the message headers and then says selected. Is there a way to get vo to 
do this?

Thanks,

Ioana
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Re: Learning Spanish

[Marlaina Lieberg]

I would actually like the same info, but for French as well.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

Hello,

I would love this information also.  

I tried a free version of Rosetta Stone and it is totally visual.  

If you have another way to learn spanish that is auditory I would also love to 
know what it is so I could start learning myself.

That was a wonderful question.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Emrah wrote:

> Morning listers,
> 
> I am looking for an accessible software to learn Spanish.
> 
> Do you have any experience?
> 
> Best,
> Emrah
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Problem with the screen

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

Today, something really weird happened on my Mac.
I use Windows with the help of Bootcamp on my Mac.
So, today, when I selected and opened Windows, everything went through
as usual, but when I pressed enter (return) on a couple of occasions
to open the desktop screen, it did open as usual, but the screen is
absolutely blank.
JAWS is working normally, and I was able to know that Windows had
started only by hearing the sound which is produced when it starts, as
the screen was, and is, pitch black.
The funny part is that the screen is working perfectly well and is
displaying all the options in the partition which contains the Mac
Operating System.
I actually share my Mac with someone else who is sighted, so it's
necessary for me to make the screen work for Windows.
It was working perfectly well when I opened it last night, and
suddenly stopped showing anything when I opened it today.

So, how can I fix this?

Your help would be really, really appreciated.

Thanks,
Rahul

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Anyone can help me verify bug in iTunes before I contact apple accessibility?

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,

I previously mentioned that I was having trouble reordering tracks in custom 
playlist in iTunes. I called accessibility and they could not find a way to 
drag the songs around. I have the personal email of adviser and he asked me to 
get back if I find a way to get it to work and keep him posted.

Since the update yesterday it works a bit better but not quite. Herehttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

[Chris Blouch]

Well, I'm not sure it would pass the 'yuck' test for many people if they 
found out Apple was identifying their disability by probing their device 
and not asking permission. Personally identifiable or not. In the states 
the FTC just put out


http://www.ftc.gov/os/2010/12/101201privacyreport.pdf

which seems to imply the mere act of collecting data about a user 
without permission is verboten. In Europe privacy is considered a human 
right and so the rules around what you can gather without asking is even 
narrower. But this is straying far from the topic of all things Apple :)


CB

On 4/3/12 12:10 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

Chris,

Its anonymous, Apple are not probing your computer, they are probing a 
computer. There is in law, a difference.

Your example of what you were doing can cause issues legally as cookies and 
other such internet based tools collect data which is personally identifiable


Regards,

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Twitter @neilbarnfather

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On 2 Apr 2012, at 20:05, Chris Blouch wrote:

I think if it came out that Apple was probing your system to figure out if you 
are using assistive technology (which probably means you have a disability) and 
did this without asking you first, the press and various advocate organizations 
would have a field day around violation of personal privacy. But, I'm not a 
lawyer and, in this case, it's all conjecture. I do know that I was contacted 
by some folks from a large web advertising company about my coding an MSAA 
detector on web browsers. It eventually got shot down by their privacy folks 
for the aforementioned reason. So my opinion is not without some basis.

CB

On 4/2/12 2:57 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

Chris,

Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I know 
of...

I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on Earth 
wouldn't they?


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

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accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

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e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199



On 2 Apr 2012, at 16:46, Chris Blouch wrote:

I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer tracking and 
privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were using voiceover 
would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to self-identify as having a 
disability or have that info pried out of their system config and a company 
that did that secretly or otherwise would probably have a PR mess once it was 
found out.

CB

On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for 
apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.

so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you purchase a 
new mac, start up and register your mac, you should  be able to fill in a 
questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option for disabled 
users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, or operating 
system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind users, so it 
gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in voiceover and app 
support.

just a thought on this.

lew

On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:


Ricardo,

True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a 
blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it 
from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your Mac 
from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good idea of the 
number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact to the last 
person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times they are not.

On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


I really can't argue with that.  selecting text on the web is quite a chore on 
the Mac.  I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency of a office 
suite for power users of such applications is the Macs greatest weakness at 
this point in comparison to jaws with windows.  But progress is being made.  If 
anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, and compared that to snow leopard 
or Lion, they would see what I mean. lol.  Or, even iWorks 2008 which was 
completely inaccessible, to iWorks 2009 which has some accessibility.  That's 
why I urge everyone to write Apple sharing some of your thoughts in regards to 
topics like this.  How else can we honestly expect Voiceover to improve without 
feedback.  It doesn't matter how small, or insignificant the idea or complaint 
might be.  Its been my experience that its the lit

Office software for Mac

[Hendrik Steyn]

Hello Fello listers

 

I am looking for an office  sweet for mac that works with VO. I had open
office and Lebre Office, but since I upgraded to Lion it doesn't work any
more. I found something called NeoOffice. Does this work with VO? I am open
to suggestions as there might be something out there I haven't tried. I am
trying to create powerpoint slideshows in Mac, I can do it in windows with
JFW. Please Help.

 

Kindly

Hendrik

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Enter: the VGA Dummy--another way to trick your Mac into thinking that a display is attached

[Megan Bening]

Hello all! I am new to this list, and thought that I would chip in
with my solution to the "headless mac connundrem". Tell me what you
think!
For anyone still trying to find good ways to use a Mac without a
display and not have it get sluggish, I've hit upon something new that
might work for you, too. It’s called a VGA dummy, and you can make one
on the cheap (cost: $5 for parts and $30 for the mini display to VGA
adapter). This fix is pretty straightforward with the right schematics
and instructions, but be aware that you’ll need a soldering iron and
lots of precision to get the job done. You’ll also need some
resisters, a VGA connector and, if you want to make it look fancy, a
VGA housing.  The housing isn’t necessary, it just makes the whole
thing a little more cosmetically attractive. If you’re not good with
solder and micromechanics, you’ll likely need some help from someone
who is. It helps if the person has a little bit of vision so that they
can look at the diagrams in the instructions and can see what they’re
doing.
I’m probably making this seem a lot more daunting than it needs to be.
I let my dad do the soldering for me because I’m not good at following
schematic instructions and have never used a soldering iron, and he
has. But he said that as long as you have a little bit of background
knowledge, it’s pretty straightforward.
So, here goes.
Background:
This came to fruition after I got my Mac Mini in early February. I
began experiencing general sluggishness in Finder and Safari, failure
of the Mac to save my settings, etc. After a Google search, I found
that my Mac was mad at me for not plugging in an external display. I
also discovered Chris Blouch’s idea, to plug in a VGA to NTSC
converter to trick the Mac into thinking that an external display was
plugged in. This wasn't the best fix for me personally because I
wanted to avoid having to clutter my desk any further, or having to
use one of my USB ports to power the box. Also, I wanted to try and
find a cheaper alternative. A friend of mine told me that I should try
to make a VGA dummy instead (cost: $5 for the parts, plus the cost in
time that it takes you to solder and get it working. In the bad old
days of Windows XP, apparently, some blind people had success using
these VGA dummies to trick their laptops into turning off the screens
when there was no dedicated button. When not having to power the LCD
screen, the computer’s battery life greatly improved. My friend, who
had experience making these, thought that the same thing could be used
to trick my Mac Mini into thinking that I was using a dedicated
screen.
Parts:
To do this, I took a trip to my local Radio Shack.  My friend had done
some research for me and come up with the proper catalogue numbers, so
my supplies were already pulled when we got there.  You need:
•   One VGA connector (part number 276-1501)
•   One VGA housing (part number 276-1539)
•   Three 75 OHM resisters (I couldn't find these, but 68 ohm resisters
did the job just fine)
•   Solder (preferably micro solder, if you can find it)
•   A soldering iron
Procedure:
To help with the actual soldering, and to make sure of which pins to
solder the resisters to, my friend referred me to
http://soerennielsen.dk/mod/VGAdummy/index_en.php
where I was able to get diagrams and step-by-step instructions.
One thing to note, that this site doesn’t mention: there is no
polarity on the resisters. They can go either way. It took us about an
hour to solder everything in place. Ensure that you solder everything
tightly so that it won’t easily wiggle loose. Also, if you can, coat
the bare resister wires to keep from inadvertent contact. This is why
the housing is sometimes helpful.
Problems along the way:
After putting everything together, we realized that Radio Shack had
given us the wrong housing to go around the VGA connector. The housing
is like a clamshell that fits into place over the top of the resisters
to prevent inadvertent contact. Then the housing is held together at
the bottom of the VGA connecter. However, the housing that Radio Shack
had mistakenly given us instead didn’t fit properly. It prevented the
VGA connector from plugging all the way into the Apple adapter, and
because of that, the Mac wouldn’t recognize it. To fix this, we cut
off the part of the housing that stuck out too far. Insidentally, this
happened to be the part on the bottom of the housing that held it
together. To keep it in place, we used silicone glue to hold the two
parts of the housing together. This did the job nicely, and after
letting the silicone glue dry for 3 hours, I was in business.
Hooking it up:
After finishing and allowing the solder to cool, it was time to test
my VGA dummy. I hooked it up, booted my Mac, and held my breath.
Voila! It worked! I no longer experience the problems that I
encountered before. Voiceover does not constantly report “Finder
busy!” when I try to access my NAS server, and Safari is also a lot
more re

Re: Enter: the VGA Dummy--another way to trick your Mac into thinking that a display is attached

[Lewis Alexander]

well done on this very well planed article.

These products actually exist as stock items in certain companies as VGA 
terminators.

I've been in the electronics game for a bit and very used to soldering and 
desoldering  without sight. it's a fine art and a steady hand. I find the trick 
of first using a 2mm x 150mm steel rod as a contact point to help guide the tip 
of the iron to the point of contact, then removing the guide rod to continue 
work applying the heat and also knowing where you are feeding the solder wire, 
etc. works well. it's a good idea to find a comfortable iron system if you're 
doing this all the time like I did when repairing old studio equipment 
including desks, synthesizers, etc. days I miss very well indeed.

as I say, well done on this. it's great thought but for most users on the list 
who may not be electronically knowledgeable, it may not be a viable solution 
unless they can source an electronics engineer neerest to them who's able to 
help.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 20:17, Megan Bening wrote:

> Hello all! I am new to this list, and thought that I would chip in
> with my solution to the "headless mac connundrem". Tell me what you
> think!
> For anyone still trying to find good ways to use a Mac without a
> display and not have it get sluggish, I've hit upon something new that
> might work for you, too. It’s called a VGA dummy, and you can make one
> on the cheap (cost: $5 for parts and $30 for the mini display to VGA
> adapter). This fix is pretty straightforward with the right schematics
> and instructions, but be aware that you’ll need a soldering iron and
> lots of precision to get the job done. You’ll also need some
> resisters, a VGA connector and, if you want to make it look fancy, a
> VGA housing.  The housing isn’t necessary, it just makes the whole
> thing a little more cosmetically attractive. If you’re not good with
> solder and micromechanics, you’ll likely need some help from someone
> who is. It helps if the person has a little bit of vision so that they
> can look at the diagrams in the instructions and can see what they’re
> doing.
> I’m probably making this seem a lot more daunting than it needs to be.
> I let my dad do the soldering for me because I’m not good at following
> schematic instructions and have never used a soldering iron, and he
> has. But he said that as long as you have a little bit of background
> knowledge, it’s pretty straightforward.
> So, here goes.
> Background:
> This came to fruition after I got my Mac Mini in early February. I
> began experiencing general sluggishness in Finder and Safari, failure
> of the Mac to save my settings, etc. After a Google search, I found
> that my Mac was mad at me for not plugging in an external display. I
> also discovered Chris Blouch’s idea, to plug in a VGA to NTSC
> converter to trick the Mac into thinking that an external display was
> plugged in. This wasn't the best fix for me personally because I
> wanted to avoid having to clutter my desk any further, or having to
> use one of my USB ports to power the box. Also, I wanted to try and
> find a cheaper alternative. A friend of mine told me that I should try
> to make a VGA dummy instead (cost: $5 for the parts, plus the cost in
> time that it takes you to solder and get it working. In the bad old
> days of Windows XP, apparently, some blind people had success using
> these VGA dummies to trick their laptops into turning off the screens
> when there was no dedicated button. When not having to power the LCD
> screen, the computer’s battery life greatly improved. My friend, who
> had experience making these, thought that the same thing could be used
> to trick my Mac Mini into thinking that I was using a dedicated
> screen.
> Parts:
> To do this, I took a trip to my local Radio Shack.  My friend had done
> some research for me and come up with the proper catalogue numbers, so
> my supplies were already pulled when we got there.  You need:
> • One VGA connector (part number 276-1501)
> • One VGA housing (part number 276-1539)
> • Three 75 OHM resisters (I couldn't find these, but 68 ohm resisters
> did the job just fine)
> • Solder (preferably micro solder, if you can find it)
> • A soldering iron
> Procedure:
> To help with the actual soldering, and to make sure of which pins to
> solder the resisters to, my friend referred me to
> http://soerennielsen.dk/mod/VGAdummy/index_en.php
> where I was able to get diagrams and step-by-step instructions.
> One thing to note, that this site doesn’t mention: there is no
> polarity on the resisters. They can go either way. It took us about an
> hour to solder everything in place. Ensure that you solder everything
> tightly so that it won’t easily wiggle loose. Also, if you can, coat
> the bare resister wires to keep from inadvertent contact. This is why
> the housing is sometimes helpful.
> Problems along the way:
> After putting everything together, we realized that Radio Shack had
> given u

Re: Enter: the VGA Dummy--another way to trick your Mac into thinking that a display is attached

[Chris Blouch]

Glad to hear it all worked out. My original message from 2009 (yes, this 
is not a recent problem) is here:


http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg14056.html

where I list a couple of sources for dummy plugs and, oddly enough, the 
same soerennielsen.dk address. I guess that must be the source of all 
knowledge for VGA dummy construction :) The first link to the 
tvtool.info site seems to have gone pear shaped while two of the four 
vendor links ($22 and $25) for the VGA terminators are still good. 
Wonder if you could start up a little 'cottage industry' making these 
things for folks on the MacVisionaries list?


CB

On 4/3/12 3:24 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

well done on this very well planed article.

These products actually exist as stock items in certain companies as VGA 
terminators.

I've been in the electronics game for a bit and very used to soldering and 
desoldering  without sight. it's a fine art and a steady hand. I find the trick 
of first using a 2mm x 150mm steel rod as a contact point to help guide the tip 
of the iron to the point of contact, then removing the guide rod to continue 
work applying the heat and also knowing where you are feeding the solder wire, 
etc. works well. it's a good idea to find a comfortable iron system if you're 
doing this all the time like I did when repairing old studio equipment 
including desks, synthesizers, etc. days I miss very well indeed.

as I say, well done on this. it's great thought but for most users on the list 
who may not be electronically knowledgeable, it may not be a viable solution 
unless they can source an electronics engineer neerest to them who's able to 
help.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 20:17, Megan Bening wrote:


Hello all! I am new to this list, and thought that I would chip in
with my solution to the "headless mac connundrem". Tell me what you
think!
For anyone still trying to find good ways to use a Mac without a
display and not have it get sluggish, I've hit upon something new that
might work for you, too. It’s called a VGA dummy, and you can make one
on the cheap (cost: $5 for parts and $30 for the mini display to VGA
adapter). This fix is pretty straightforward with the right schematics
and instructions, but be aware that you’ll need a soldering iron and
lots of precision to get the job done. You’ll also need some
resisters, a VGA connector and, if you want to make it look fancy, a
VGA housing.  The housing isn’t necessary, it just makes the whole
thing a little more cosmetically attractive. If you’re not good with
solder and micromechanics, you’ll likely need some help from someone
who is. It helps if the person has a little bit of vision so that they
can look at the diagrams in the instructions and can see what they’re
doing.
I’m probably making this seem a lot more daunting than it needs to be.
I let my dad do the soldering for me because I’m not good at following
schematic instructions and have never used a soldering iron, and he
has. But he said that as long as you have a little bit of background
knowledge, it’s pretty straightforward.
So, here goes.
Background:
This came to fruition after I got my Mac Mini in early February. I
began experiencing general sluggishness in Finder and Safari, failure
of the Mac to save my settings, etc. After a Google search, I found
that my Mac was mad at me for not plugging in an external display. I
also discovered Chris Blouch’s idea, to plug in a VGA to NTSC
converter to trick the Mac into thinking that an external display was
plugged in. This wasn't the best fix for me personally because I
wanted to avoid having to clutter my desk any further, or having to
use one of my USB ports to power the box. Also, I wanted to try and
find a cheaper alternative. A friend of mine told me that I should try
to make a VGA dummy instead (cost: $5 for the parts, plus the cost in
time that it takes you to solder and get it working. In the bad old
days of Windows XP, apparently, some blind people had success using
these VGA dummies to trick their laptops into turning off the screens
when there was no dedicated button. When not having to power the LCD
screen, the computer’s battery life greatly improved. My friend, who
had experience making these, thought that the same thing could be used
to trick my Mac Mini into thinking that I was using a dedicated
screen.
Parts:
To do this, I took a trip to my local Radio Shack.  My friend had done
some research for me and come up with the proper catalogue numbers, so
my supplies were already pulled when we got there.  You need:
•   One VGA connector (part number 276-1501)
•   One VGA housing (part number 276-1539)
•   Three 75 OHM resisters (I couldn't find these, but 68 ohm resisters
did the job just fine)
•   Solder (preferably micro solder, if you can find it)
•   A soldering iron
Procedure:
To help with the actual soldering, and to make sure of which pins to
solder the resisters to, my friend referred me to
http://soerenniel

ftp client needed

[Maxwell Ivey]

Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to replace my 
four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found out for sure 
that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone suggest a cheap if 
not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I don't want a lot of bells and 
whistles just let me upload the changes to my website.  any help will be 
greatly appreciated.  Thanks,  max  

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Re: ftp client needed

[Chris Blouch]

If you don't mind using the command line there is a perfectly good ftp 
and sftp built into the unix terminal side of OSX.


CB

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Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to replace my 
four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found out for sure 
that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone suggest a cheap if 
not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I don't want a lot of bells and 
whistles just let me upload the changes to my website.  any help will be 
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Re: ftp client needed

[Maxwell Ivey]

hi chris; i don't know the first thing about command line.  i don't even know 
where that is on here.  thanks, max 
On Apr 3, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> If you don't mind using the command line there is a perfectly good ftp and 
> sftp built into the unix terminal side of OSX.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/3/12 3:49 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>> Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to replace my 
>> four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found out for 
>> sure that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone suggest a 
>> cheap if not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I don't want a lot of 
>> bells and whistles just let me upload the changes to my website.  any help 
>> will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks,  max
>> 
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Re: ftp client needed

[Karen Lewellen]

forgive my innocent nose...but does vo work with the terminal / port 
programs, or would one need another screen reader?

sort of tie this question to the one producing pine wisdom before.
Karen's nose


On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Chris Blouch wrote:

If you don't mind using the command line there is a perfectly good ftp and 
sftp built into the unix terminal side of OSX.


CB

On 4/3/12 3:49 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

 Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to replace
 my four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found out
 for sure that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone
 suggest a cheap if not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I don't want
 a lot of bells and whistles just let me upload the changes to my website.
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Re: ftp client needed

[Tim Kilburn]

Try Transmit.  I used to use it with VO although I haven't tried for a while.  
You should be able to locate it on the VersionTracker site at 
www.versiontracker.com

Later...

On 2012-04-03, at 1:49 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

> Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to replace my 
> four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found out for sure 
> that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone suggest a cheap if 
> not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I don't want a lot of bells and 
> whistles just let me upload the changes to my website.  any help will be 
> greatly appreciated.  Thanks,  max  
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Re: ftp client needed

[Chris Blouch]

I haven't done as much editing with VO and pine or vi so others might 
answer that, but the command line is generally usable with voiceover.


As far as ftp, you can probably find generic documentation all over the 
internet but generally you do


ftp some.ftp.site.com

and the do the username password thing. Once connected you just say

put filename

or

get filename

and use the cd to change directory or ls to list the files in a 
directory. When you first start up terminal it defaults to landing in 
your home folder


/users/my_username/

so you might first want to go to your desktop folder and then into the 
folder with your files to upload like this:


cd Desktop/project_folder

then start up ftp. There are also mput and mget which lets you do 
multiple files at a time. So once you have FTPed to someplace you would 
cd around to the remote folder you want to put stuff in and then do


mput *

which would upload all the files from the current local folder to the 
current remote folder. There's lots more but maybe you're already 
hankering for a GUI app that hides all this detail. For me it used to be 
the only way (before GUIs) so I'm kinda used to the command line version 
:) Anyway, it's already baked into OSX so you can play with it for free 
while you wait for a better GUI solution to be suggested. Like all unix 
commands you can get more detail on how to use it that you want by using 
the 'man' or manual page command:


man ftp

Happy typing.

CB

On 4/3/12 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
forgive my innocent nose...but does vo work with the terminal / port 
programs, or would one need another screen reader?

sort of tie this question to the one producing pine wisdom before.
Karen's nose


On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Chris Blouch wrote:

If you don't mind using the command line there is a perfectly good 
ftp and sftp built into the unix terminal side of OSX.


CB

On 4/3/12 3:49 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
 Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to 
replace
 my four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found 
out

 for sure that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone
 suggest a cheap if not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I 
don't want
 a lot of bells and whistles just let me upload the changes to my 
website.

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Re: ftp client needed

[Jamie Tachiyama]

Does Saphari not handle FTP like IE does?


On 4/3/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> I haven't done as much editing with VO and pine or vi so others might
> answer that, but the command line is generally usable with voiceover.
>
> As far as ftp, you can probably find generic documentation all over the
> internet but generally you do
>
> ftp some.ftp.site.com
>
> and the do the username password thing. Once connected you just say
>
> put filename
>
> or
>
> get filename
>
> and use the cd to change directory or ls to list the files in a
> directory. When you first start up terminal it defaults to landing in
> your home folder
>
> /users/my_username/
>
> so you might first want to go to your desktop folder and then into the
> folder with your files to upload like this:
>
> cd Desktop/project_folder
>
> then start up ftp. There are also mput and mget which lets you do
> multiple files at a time. So once you have FTPed to someplace you would
> cd around to the remote folder you want to put stuff in and then do
>
> mput *
>
> which would upload all the files from the current local folder to the
> current remote folder. There's lots more but maybe you're already
> hankering for a GUI app that hides all this detail. For me it used to be
> the only way (before GUIs) so I'm kinda used to the command line version
> :) Anyway, it's already baked into OSX so you can play with it for free
> while you wait for a better GUI solution to be suggested. Like all unix
> commands you can get more detail on how to use it that you want by using
> the 'man' or manual page command:
>
> man ftp
>
> Happy typing.
>
> CB
>
> On 4/3/12 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> forgive my innocent nose...but does vo work with the terminal / port
>> programs, or would one need another screen reader?
>> sort of tie this question to the one producing pine wisdom before.
>> Karen's nose
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>
>>> If you don't mind using the command line there is a perfectly good
>>> ftp and sftp built into the unix terminal side of OSX.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 4/3/12 3:49 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
  Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to
 replace
  my four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found
 out
  for sure that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone
  suggest a cheap if not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I
 don't want
  a lot of bells and whistles just let me upload the changes to my
 website.
  any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks,  max

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apple accessability telephone

[Walter Harper]

Hello listers,
What is the apple accessibility telephone number 

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Re: ftp client needed

[Chris Blouch]

It's been a while since I did FTP inside IE but I suspect not. In Safari 
it will mount a simulated disk drive on your desktop with the contents 
of the FTP site in read-only form there. So you can goto, say, 
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org and login as guest which will then put a drive on 
your desktop called ftp.mozilla.org which you can then navigate the same 
way as any other drive. You just can't write to it, which I think is a 
shame since it's such a nice way to navigate an FTP site.


CB

On 4/3/12 4:23 PM, Jamie Tachiyama wrote:

Does Saphari not handle FTP like IE does?


On 4/3/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:

I haven't done as much editing with VO and pine or vi so others might
answer that, but the command line is generally usable with voiceover.

As far as ftp, you can probably find generic documentation all over the
internet but generally you do

ftp some.ftp.site.com

and the do the username password thing. Once connected you just say

put filename

or

get filename

and use the cd to change directory or ls to list the files in a
directory. When you first start up terminal it defaults to landing in
your home folder

/users/my_username/

so you might first want to go to your desktop folder and then into the
folder with your files to upload like this:

cd Desktop/project_folder

then start up ftp. There are also mput and mget which lets you do
multiple files at a time. So once you have FTPed to someplace you would
cd around to the remote folder you want to put stuff in and then do

mput *

which would upload all the files from the current local folder to the
current remote folder. There's lots more but maybe you're already
hankering for a GUI app that hides all this detail. For me it used to be
the only way (before GUIs) so I'm kinda used to the command line version
:) Anyway, it's already baked into OSX so you can play with it for free
while you wait for a better GUI solution to be suggested. Like all unix
commands you can get more detail on how to use it that you want by using
the 'man' or manual page command:

man ftp

Happy typing.

CB

On 4/3/12 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

forgive my innocent nose...but does vo work with the terminal / port
programs, or would one need another screen reader?
sort of tie this question to the one producing pine wisdom before.
Karen's nose


On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Chris Blouch wrote:


If you don't mind using the command line there is a perfectly good
ftp and sftp built into the unix terminal side of OSX.

CB

On 4/3/12 3:49 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

  Hello group;  i finally managed to purchase a new macbook pro to
replace
  my four year old macbook.  I'm enjoying it greatly, but now i found
out
  for sure that lion and cute ftp don't play nice.  so, could someone
  suggest a cheap if not free ftp client that is easy to use.  I
don't want
  a lot of bells and whistles just let me upload the changes to my
website.
  any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks,  max


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Re: apple accessability telephone

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

It's 1-877-2043930

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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> What is the apple accessibility telephone number 
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FTP problems

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

I used to use Transmit to log into and make changes to my website.  The 
password at that time was a series of random letters and numbers that never got 
changed, because I no longer know how to contact the person who set it up.

I just bought Transmit and attempted to log into my FTP site with that same 
randomly generated password, like I did last on 06/26/11.  Since that time, 
there has been change to the site, and it's still up and running, however I 
cannot log in with the same user name and password.  My question is, how do I 
go about finding out who is hosting my domain, and contact their system 
administrators to help with it?

What a weird situation.


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RE: A Question Regarding OCR

[M. Taylor]

Hello Scott,

The Pearl with OpenBook is the most amazing thing I have ever seen (no pun
intended).  

I will use BootCamp on my Mac, then.  

Thank you,

Mark



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Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR

Hi Mark,

The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under windows.

The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
from Serotek and the EyePal.

Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
everything I've scanned.

Cheers.

Scott

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR

Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[erik burggraaf]

Mark, it's too bad you hadn't looked into this before you bought the pearl.  I 
teach both eyepal and pearl, and while I like the look of the pearl better, the 
eyepal does at least as good a job with no duel booting required.

It's just awfully tough to justify the price tag of the eyepal after the outlay 
on the pearl.

Best,

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On 2012-04-03, at 5:30 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Scott,
> 
> The Pearl with OpenBook is the most amazing thing I have ever seen (no pun
> intended).  
> 
> I will use BootCamp on my Mac, then.  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under windows.
> 
> The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
> from Serotek and the EyePal.
> 
> Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
> everything I've scanned.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
> 
> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
> acquisition experience.
> 
> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  
> 
> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
> 
> I could go on and on but ...
> 
> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
> 
> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
> scanner away for good.
> 
> 
> Mark
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Re: Mac Book Air & cooling fan?

[Chris Blouch]

Depends a lot on what video codec they use. Most modern macs have GPU 
hardware which can decode h.264 (mpeg4) HD video without breaking a 
sweat. Of course any other codec will just pound on the main CPU to do 
the job. So maybe the Netflix videos are no h.264 or the neflix app 
bypasses the regular APIs and doesn't take advantage of the GPU.


CB

On 3/1/12 5:53 PM, Traci wrote:

Hi all, I still consider myself new to the whole Mac experience.

I was just watching a tv show via Netflix, and my Macbook Air's fan 
kicked in big time.


1. Is this normal?
2. If so, will it damage the Mac while watching a tv show or movie?
3. Is it possible the MBA isn't meant for movie watching?

Lol, maybe the Mac doesn't like silverlight.

Thanks everyone,
Traci
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Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

[agent086b]

Thanks Neil, that sounds good. Are you able to restore an individual file?
Max.

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Subject: Re: No Carbonite on the Mac
From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:42:00 +0100

I use Carbonite on my Mac, have done since owning a Mac, circa October 2010. I 
have it on all three of my Mac's.

The icon for it at the top of the screen near to the clock is, as others have 
said, inaccessible.

However, it is easily accessed through the System Preferences menus. Given you 
setup Carbonite and then can forget about it, this hardly seems a major 
limitation to me.

I once a month nip into it, just to check all looks good, that the indicators 
for how much data has been backed up etc are seeming right, and once a week I 
leave my Mac on all night to ensure that the backup is completely up to date.

This is only necessary if you change / update a lot of content on a regular 
bases.

The reason I specifically like Carbonite compared to a lot of the other backup 
options out there is that it is fully automated, download, install, pay and 
leave it alone. It just works.

You can use their web-site quite easily to check your specific files which are 
currently backed up, you can, within the System Preferences controls indicate 
an automatic backup, or a specific set of files / folders you want to be backed 
up.

This is what I do, as i am not worried about applications or other such things, 
I just backup all users Documents, Music, Movies and Pictures folders. This 
gets all the essential stuff.

I also use Time Machine to backup all machines locally to a NAS.

But, yes, Carbonite works just fine for the most part, certainly if you just 
want a point and shoot backup solution you can feel confident in, Carbonite 
will not let you down.


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On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:25, Gigi wrote:

Hi guys
It's interesting that you should say that you had been able to use Carbonite 
just fine. I tried to use Carbonite back in the days when I was using Windows. 
I couldn't get it to work completely withdraws. Also, I did not have good luck 
with their customer service. I called them and the customer support person just 
didn't get it one tried to explain that I was trying to use the speech computer.
I'm buying all this up to say that it's real interesting that some of these 
third-party companies say that things won't work with voiceover, and then folks 
on this list start using the program. Four instance, the Abby find Wietor 
people told me that their program wouldn't work with voiceover.
I know, some of you are talking about using it. So, what does that mean were 
supposed to do if we want to know if something works with voice over for sure?
Regards
Gigi

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On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:


My experience with carbonite is that it actually is  fairly accessible.  ONe 
issue  I do have, is  when I attempt to look at my backup, I can't  drill down 
into my backup, like I can any folder that has sub-folders   in finder, I seem 
to get taken back to the top level of my backup when attempting to do this.  
It's interesting that Carbonite support actually said it's totally inaccessible 
with VO.  the  system pref pane is actually not too bad in my opinion, with the 
 exception of that one issue.  Carbonite like a lot of third-party  apps does 
have an item in the menu bar, which we cannot access.  Aside from  that, I've 
actually been very happy with carbonite  on the mac.

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Can you run the IPal independently of the Mac and if you want to put anything 
on 
the mac afterwards what do you do?
On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:35 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> Mark, it's too bad you hadn't looked into this before you bought the pearl.  
> I teach both eyepal and pearl, and while I like the look of the pearl better, 
> the eyepal does at least as good a job with no duel booting required.
> 
> It's just awfully tough to justify the price tag of the eyepal after the 
> outlay on the pearl.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
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> 
> On 2012-04-03, at 5:30 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Scott,
>> 
>> The Pearl with OpenBook is the most amazing thing I have ever seen (no pun
>> intended).  
>> 
>> I will use BootCamp on my Mac, then.  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under windows.
>> 
>> The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
>> from Serotek and the EyePal.
>> 
>> Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
>> everything I've scanned.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
>> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
>> 
>> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
>> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
>> acquisition experience.
>> 
>> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
>> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
>> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  
>> 
>> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
>> 
>> I could go on and on but ...
>> 
>> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
>> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
>> 
>> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
>> scanner away for good.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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RE: A Question Regarding OCR

[M. Taylor]

Some very good points.  Thank you, David.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR

Congratulations on getting the Pearl, but I would suggest to you that you
not do away with your scanner completely.  You will find times when a thick
book or so;mething that you cannot keep flat without applying pressure is
going to do better on a scanner.  The Pearl has a fixed focus, meaning that
if the document or book is to o thick it will be somewhat out of focus, and
thus you will not get a good picture for recognition.  Your choices then are
to find something about the same thickness to place the camera on in order
to get the text back in focus or place the document on a flatbed scanner to
scan the document.

The Hovercam with the DocuScan Plus works very nicely on the Mac once you
get familiar with how to adjust the camera to just the right height to get
the best picture. DocuScan Plus may not do everything that OpenBook does,
but it does a lot and has many great features for $299, and once you
purchase it you can use it both for Windows and Apple.



- Original Message -
From: "Scott Erichsen" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR


> Hi Mark,
>
> The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under 
> windows.
>
> The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
> from Serotek and the EyePal.
>
> Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
> everything I've scanned.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
>
> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
> and
> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
> acquisition experience.
>
> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
> one
> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
>
> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
>
> I could go on and on but ...
>
> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
>
> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
> scanner away for good.
>
>
> Mark
>
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Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

[agent086b]

Lew, Carbonite backs up data off site. This is what I need.
Max.

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Subject: Re: No Carbonite on the Mac
From: Lewis Alexander 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:27:35 +0100

I'm going to chime in on this.

as you're not yet a mac user, please don't go by one lack of access to a 
particular application, there are plenty of backup applications availlable 
which can do the job, as well as time machine already built in to OS X as well 
as simple disk cloning where necessary through one of a few hard drive cloning 
apps. one of which I use but considering it's early morning and my brain hasn't 
wired up via cat5 yet lol, I can't remember the name.

if you're considering the mac, don't be put off by one application issue, 
there's more than 1 way to perform a task remember.

lew

On 3 Apr 2012, at 01:59, agent086b wrote:


Well, I don't have a Mac yet. I am only going on what there support told me.
It would really be great if one of you had the time to download the trial and 
let us know.
Thanks,
Max.

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Subject: Re: No Carbonite on the Mac
From: Mike Arrigo
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:23:38 -0500

I've actually heard that it does work, I think there is a trial, so you might 
download it and see how it works.
On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:20 PM, agent086b wrote:


Hi all,
recently I asked if Carbonite online backup could be used on the Mac with no 
reply.
I wrote to Carbonite and asked the question if Carbonite worked with VoiceOver. 
I have received a reply from the company. They say that Carbonite will not work 
with the Mac Screen reader.
I have asked them to let me know if and when it will. As Carbonite is a 
wonderful backup service that many of you could benefit from, you might like to 
write to supp...@carbonite.com and ask that they make it accessible with 
VoiceOver. They already have a Mac version of the program, it is just that will 
not work with VO.

Does anybody use an online backup service that works with VO?
Still finding as many answers before the switch to the iMac.
Max.

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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

[Chris Blouch]

Curious what throughput you get. I just bought the smallest cheapest 
drobo with a single 3TB drive and got about 35 MB/s throughput, which 
seems kinda slow but was good enough for my home media setup. I'll add 
another drive when I can fit it into the budget so the thing stops 
pestering me with popups on the Mac. I've got it hooked to a MacMini via 
FW800.


CB

On 3/22/12 9:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

Scott,

I've had two NetGear ReadyNAS units to date, Having previously used DroBo ones.

I started out with the 4 bay unit, I think called the ReadyNAS NV+ and sold 
that recently and upgraded to the newer model of the same unit.

The new model supports both iScsi and regular FS at the same time, so really 
handy if you have one machine on all the time and do a lot of file movements to 
your NAS... But, it also supports FS at the same time, so you get the benefit 
of your iOS devices and other computers on your network having access to the 
unit.

The latest model supports the full Sata2 speeds and is notably faster with my 
WD RE4 2TB drives.

It also can backup to either a USB hard drive connected to it, or over the 
network / internet to another location. I have an old DroBo in a different 
building from here with some old drives running RAID0, i.e. stripe rather than 
any form of mirroring, this means that I get a complete copy of my data off of 
my NAS, so the likelihood of both failing at the same time is remote to say the 
least.

My main NAS runs with X-RAID, NetGear's version of Beyond RAID running on it, 
and thus I have expandability to 3TB dries if needs be, as the system is 
hot-swapable, and also redundant by one drive. Effectively RAID5.

There are no nasty auto refresh sections of the NetGear ReadyNAS HTML 
interface, it works very well, and I found it very easy to setup...

You have the usual sort of options ranging from, I'm a pro, to, just manage it 
all for me.

Well made, solid unit with a real feeling of build quality to it.

Not sure when DroBo started putting magnetic flaps on, I've bought DroBo up and 
until the end of last year, buying one of their 5 bay FS machines, whilst yes 
the front removable cover is magnetic, and always has been with DroBo. The 
plastic flaps which seal the hard drive bays when not in use, are plastic and 
of poor quality and design, with a single side spring metal clasp to keep them 
shut... I've broken quite a few, and reading online, so have many others.


Regards,

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On 22 Mar 2012, at 09:45, Scott Howell wrote:

Neil,

Ok, sorry if I misunderstood your message. Btw, I understand that Drobo has 
gone to some sort of magnetic solution for the door flap. Which Netgear did you 
choose? I am not as familiar with their products, but I would be curious how 
accessible is the interface and what made you choose the Netgear. THe WD's 
interface is really tricky just because of the fact it refreshes at odd times 
and things just behave in a really curious way. :)

THanks,

On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:20 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:


Scott,

Absolutely, it was not my intention to say that, just bevause it is not 
accessible, we should give up on it... Or like wise, as it is expensive.

The DroBo is a good product, when it was unique in the market place, as in the 
Beyond RAID technology and the hot swap drive solution it was worth every penny.

Now though most venders have a solution that is comparable, and in every case 
I've found, notably cheaper too.

I have bought 4 DroBo's over my time, they are nice units in terms of the 
actual box, very Apple-essk in their feel and build. I do have issues with the 
drive bay flaps, which cover the bays when not in use, these are poorly made 
fin bits of plastic that are easily broken off, and have a single sided flimsy 
bit of metal to make them spring mounted.

The NetGear on the other hand is entirely metal, and far better build quality, 
and is more feature rich...

With droBo you have to choose either a FS (file server) or an iScsi connection, 
or USB. The NetGear ReadyNAS solutions at the higher end of their range, which 
are still half the price of the DroBo equivalent, has two RJ45 connections for 
both FS and iScsi duel interface, as well as a host of other options.

Anyway, I'm not here to sell you a NetGear solution, but can tell you that it 
works, and is notably more cost effective than a DroBo.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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On 21 Mar 2012, at 23:

Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[erik burggraaf]

The eyepal is a camera on a monopod that plugs into the computer just like the 
pearl.  Everything is saved directly on the computer and no transferring 
required.  It's both mac and windows compatible.  There are some qwerks in it, 
but overall I think it's a good product.  I like the pearl camera a lot but I'm 
not overjoyed with openbook or the idea of being locked into one system.

Best,

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On 2012-04-03, at 5:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Can you run the IPal independently of the Mac and if you want to put anything 
> on 
> the mac afterwards what do you do?
> On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:35 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
>> Mark, it's too bad you hadn't looked into this before you bought the pearl.  
>> I teach both eyepal and pearl, and while I like the look of the pearl 
>> better, the eyepal does at least as good a job with no duel booting required.
>> 
>> It's just awfully tough to justify the price tag of the eyepal after the 
>> outlay on the pearl.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
>> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com
>>  
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2012-04-03, at 5:30 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Scott,
>>> 
>>> The Pearl with OpenBook is the most amazing thing I have ever seen (no pun
>>> intended).  
>>> 
>>> I will use BootCamp on my Mac, then.  
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:41 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under windows.
>>> 
>>> The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
>>> from Serotek and the EyePal.
>>> 
>>> Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
>>> everything I've scanned.
>>> 
>>> Cheers.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
>>> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
>>> 
>>> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
>>> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
>>> acquisition experience.
>>> 
>>> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
>>> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
>>> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  
>>> 
>>> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
>>> 
>>> I could go on and on but ...
>>> 
>>> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
>>> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
>>> scanner away for good.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Chris Blouch]

BTW, I just got a software update to Java SE 6 1.6.0_31 which is the 
latest, so you should be all up to snuff if you just run the standard 
OSX software updater.


CB

On 3/30/12 12:18 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

The Java version in OSX isn't horribly old. When I do

java -version

it says (among other things)

java version "1.6.0_29"

Which is Java SE 6 Update 29 which came out October 2011. There have 
been two updates since in the fairly regular every-other-month 
releases. Not sure how well things work in Java SE 7 yet. If you have 
an account on the Apple developer network you can also learn more in 
the Java community forum:


https://devforums.apple.com/community/mac/languages/java

In there you will find links to the developer preview of the Java 
1.6.0_31 (latest) installer.


CB

On 3/30/12 1:16 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
what I would like to do is replace the java that OS X installs with 
the command line version in macports (its newer and can do more).


I am just not sure how.

-eric

On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

Since OSX is Unix underneath, there is always MacPorts which has a 
nice little installer system to bring all those unix tools you might 
be familiar with to a terminal app near you.


http://www.macports.org/

They currently maintain a library of 13758 ports and both Alpine and 
Pine is in there under mail. So if you really wanted to, you could 
use them on your Mac.


CB

On 3/29/12 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

What an interesting question.
Does anyone know if there is a version of pine or Alpine for the mac?
we have both at shellworld, and as I was writing this one for 
example, I am given the following option ,

"use reply to address instead off from address?
lets me choose which I want to do.
You mean all mail programs do not allow for this?
Looking seriously innocent,
Karen

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:


Thanks. I use the nob classic versio

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Teresa 
Cochran  wrote:



Hi, Jenny,

Which layout for your mail are you using? The short answer to 
this is that you will need to get to your message headers and 
interact with them. Find the email address from which the email 
originates and copy it. I most often use VO-shift-c to copy the 
last spoken phrase to the clipboard.


HTH,
Teresa

"On the other hand, there are different fingers."

On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:

I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies 
to everyone no matter what command I use. Help.




Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris 
hallsworth  wrote:



Hello all.
I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. 
Please can I ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need 
this as a backup due to hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing 
impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.1.

Thanks!
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Re: FTP problems

[Chris Blouch]

You should be able to get this out of the whois database for your 
domain. You can use the URL


http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/apple.com

and just edit the end part to take out apple.com and put in your own.

CB

On 4/3/12 5:23 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

I used to use Transmit to log into and make changes to my website.  The 
password at that time was a series of random letters and numbers that never got 
changed, because I no longer know how to contact the person who set it up.

I just bought Transmit and attempted to log into my FTP site with that same 
randomly generated password, like I did last on 06/26/11.  Since that time, 
there has been change to the site, and it's still up and running, however I 
cannot log in with the same user name and password.  My question is, how do I 
go about finding out who is hosting my domain, and contact their system 
administrators to help with it?

What a weird situation.


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Re: FTP problems

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Well, thanks for that; I found my domain hosted on WildWestDomains.  Since it 
was provided to me, I'm not sure how happy they're going to be to hear from me. 
:)


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Re: accessible iMovie?

[Chris Blouch]

I didn't see an answer to this question. Did you mean .wmv since you are 
talking about video? .wma is an audio format. That said, assuming you 
meant .wmv, you can convert after the fact using QuickTime Pro which 
lets you open a video file and SaveAs .wmv format. Hope this helps.


CB

On 3/7/12 12:45 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
Hello. I need to make a video in the .wav or .wma format. Can I use 
IMovie or Quicktime to make the conversion?

Thanks so much.

On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Daniela Rubio > wrote:



Hello!
It is accessible in its version 11, It works great!

SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T.
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El 07/03/2012, a las 11:36, Eric Oyen escribió:

I  am thinking of getting back into using iMovie. I have the older 
program (version '09) and the scroll areas are not accessible nor 
are some of the buttons. does anyone have any updated information 
about iMovie and using voiceover?


-eric

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Is it expensive do you know and where can I get it from?

On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:48 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> The eyepal is a camera on a monopod that plugs into the computer just like 
> the pearl.  Everything is saved directly on the computer and no transferring 
> required.  It's both mac and windows compatible.  There are some qwerks in 
> it, but overall I think it's a good product.  I like the pearl camera a lot 
> but I'm not overjoyed with openbook or the idea of being locked into one 
> system.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com
>  
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-04-03, at 5:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Can you run the IPal independently of the Mac and if you want to put 
>> anything on 
>> the mac afterwards what do you do?
>> On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:35 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark, it's too bad you hadn't looked into this before you bought the pearl. 
>>>  I teach both eyepal and pearl, and while I like the look of the pearl 
>>> better, the eyepal does at least as good a job with no duel booting 
>>> required.
>>> 
>>> It's just awfully tough to justify the price tag of the eyepal after the 
>>> outlay on the pearl.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
>>> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com
>>>  
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2012-04-03, at 5:30 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Scott,
 
 The Pearl with OpenBook is the most amazing thing I have ever seen (no pun
 intended).  
 
 I will use BootCamp on my Mac, then.  
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen
 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:41 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under 
 windows.
 
 The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
 from Serotek and the EyePal.
 
 Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
 everything I've scanned.
 
 Cheers.
 
 Scott
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
 Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
 Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
 
 To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
 and
 the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
 acquisition experience.
 
 I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
 to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
 automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  
 
 I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
 
 I could go on and on but ...
 
 I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
 if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
 
 I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
 scanner away for good.
 
 
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Brent Harding]

I thought the IPal was a full computer in of itself. I thought it was one of 
those like the GW Small Talk or OQO with a camera built in. I might be thinking 
of a different one, but if this was the same one, isn't the computer irrelevant 
besides transferring saved files?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:41 PM
  Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


  Can you run the IPal independently of the Mac and if you want to put anything 
on 
  the mac afterwards what do you do?
  On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:35 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:


Mark, it's too bad you hadn't looked into this before you bought the pearl. 
 I teach both eyepal and pearl, and while I like the look of the pearl better, 
the eyepal does at least as good a job with no duel booting required.


It's just awfully tough to justify the price tag of the eyepal after the 
outlay on the pearl.


Best,


Erik Burggraaf
Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 

http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com 
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or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com


On 2012-04-03, at 5:30 PM, M. Taylor wrote:


  Hello Scott,

  The Pearl with OpenBook is the most amazing thing I have ever seen (no pun
  intended).  

  I will use BootCamp on my Mac, then.  

  Thank you,

  Mark



  -Original Message-
  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:41 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR

  Hi Mark,

  The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under 
windows.

  The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
  from Serotek and the EyePal.

  Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
  everything I've scanned.

  Cheers.

  Scott

  -Original Message-
  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
  Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: A Question Regarding OCR

  Hello Everyone,

  In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
  Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

  To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
and
  the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
  acquisition experience.

  I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
one
  to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
  automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  

  I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

  I could go on and on but ...

  I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
  if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

  I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
  scanner away for good.


  Mark

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[David Tanner]

There are two models; a stand alone model and a model that is based on a 
digital camera attached to your computer and the EyePal software in your 
Windows or Apple computer.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Brent Harding 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:57 PM
  Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


  I thought the IPal was a full computer in of itself. I thought it was one of 
those like the GW Small Talk or OQO with a camera built in. I might be thinking 
of a different one, but if this was the same one, isn't the computer irrelevant 
besides transferring saved files?

- Original Message - 
From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


Can you run the IPal independently of the Mac and if you want to put 
anything on 
the mac afterwards what do you do?
On 3 Apr 2012, at 10:35 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:


  Mark, it's too bad you hadn't looked into this before you bought the 
pearl.  I teach both eyepal and pearl, and while I like the look of the pearl 
better, the eyepal does at least as good a job with no duel booting required. 


  It's just awfully tough to justify the price tag of the eyepal after the 
outlay on the pearl.


  Best,


  Erik Burggraaf
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drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
  
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  On 2012-04-03, at 5:30 PM, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello Scott,

The Pearl with OpenBook is the most amazing thing I have ever seen (no 
pun
intended).  

I will use BootCamp on my Mac, then.  

Thank you,

Mark



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR

Hi Mark,

The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under 
windows.

The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan 
Plus
from Serotek and the EyePal.

Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic 
from
everything I've scanned.

Cheers.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR

Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both 
OpenBook and
the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
one
to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am 
wondering
if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Why shouldn't they want to make money?  Its a company, not a not for profit 
agency after all.  The people that work there can't feed themselves on the 
gratitude of blind people.  Now, should they price gouge?  Of course not.  But 
to admit you want to make money is no bad thing in my eyes.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Gigi  wrote:

> Hi guys
> It really bothers me that a company that makes specialized software would 
> make a remark about not doing software for us totally blind folks because 
> they couldn't make any money on it. First of all, I have a real problem that 
> there is a special software for the totally blind folks, and another software 
> for others. But they really need, is Kurzweil 4000, to combine everything. I 
> see no reason why they can't do it. It seems to me, they just don't want to. 
> Besides, if one is a partially sighted person, and they buy an expensive 
> program that they can use with their vision, and their vision gets worse, 
> then they have to spend big bucks to get a different program. I see no reason 
> why the disabled community should support that kind of attitude.
> Regards
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:45 PM, "David Tanner"  wrote:
> 
>> Well, Kurzweil upgrades are quite reasonable.  Regardless of what version of 
>> the software you have the upgrade price is $125.  So, if you are at version 
>> 6 you can go all the way to version 12 for $125 and if there is a new 
>> version within a year I believe that you get it for free, but don't take 
>> that for absolute fact .  I am not a Kurzweil dealor and I may be wrong on 
>> the free upgrade to the next version if it comes out within less than a 
>> year.  But I do know the upgrade price is $125.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> 
>>> No, I haven't upgraded in many years, didn't think the accuracy of OCR 
>>> really improved all that much necessarily, only used it for scanning mail 
>>> once in awhile, but all in one printers sure scan slower than any scanner 
>>> I've used before. I wish I knew where I put the big box that probably had 
>>> version 6 in it, but if it's like Jaws or anything else I'll end up with a 
>>> new disk when I purchase the upgrade. I hope those are still reasonable yet.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "David Tanner" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>> 
>>> 
 It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the 
 latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera 
 in that patch upgrade.
 
 As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
 Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think 
 they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not 
 release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy 
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[David Tanner]

I understand where you are coming from, but it is good to see that there are 
some displays starting to come down to a somewhat more reasonable price. 
For example, the Braille PPen with 12 cells for $999 is not a bad price even 
though it only has 12 cells.  The new 16 cell display and basic notetaker 
from Perkins Products for $1,549 is a better deal too.  And, the Refresh A 
Braille from American Printing House for the Blind with 18 cells for $1,695 
is a good deal, and a very well made display.


Don't get me wrong, I realize these prices are still too high for many 
people, but at least we are starting to see prices down to where more people 
may at least have a chance of saving up to buy one.  But, at $5,000 for a 40 
cell display very few people can afford a Braille display without help from 
somewhere.




- Original Message - 
From: "James Mannion" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR



Hi Mark,
I envy you acquiring the braille display especially. I really wish I
were incorrect, but I know I am not missing anything or out of date in
my understanding that the price of braille displays are just
rediculously out of sight in price about 3 to 4 times over and then
some. Still being a common man and feeling blessed and lucky to be
able to achieve a few thousand in savings at any point in time at best
I don't think a braille display for personal use is anywhere in my
near future. Maybe I have already said too much, but what it takes to
be able to obtain such technology just makes you throw your hands up
in frustration.

On 4/2/12, David Tanner  wrote:

And, I bet it is a lot cheaper too.

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Gatteys" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


Hi all!
Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded 
a
trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked 
with
my old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a 
document.
I guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for 
basic
stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine 
reader.

Jim

On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:


It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the
latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera
in that patch upgrade.

As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is
Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think
they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not
release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy 
of


Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it
worth it for them to do that.

- Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR



Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson
Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true
that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the
scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't
have the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever 
went


back to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I
have now.

- Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR



Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also 
obtained

Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both 
OpenBook


and
the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that 
allows

one
to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am
wondering
if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I get your point but, how does using voiceover identify your disability?  I 
mean, you could have a print impaired or be blind after all.  Thats like saying 
opening garageband makes you a musician. :)

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 3, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> Well, I'm not sure it would pass the 'yuck' test for many people if they 
> found out Apple was identifying their disability by probing their device and 
> not asking permission. Personally identifiable or not. In the states the FTC 
> just put out
> 
> http://www.ftc.gov/os/2010/12/101201privacyreport.pdf
> 
> which seems to imply the mere act of collecting data about a user without 
> permission is verboten. In Europe privacy is considered a human right and so 
> the rules around what you can gather without asking is even narrower. But 
> this is straying far from the topic of all things Apple :)
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/3/12 12:10 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Its anonymous, Apple are not probing your computer, they are probing a 
>> computer. There is in law, a difference.
>> 
>> Your example of what you were doing can cause issues legally as cookies and 
>> other such internet based tools collect data which is personally identifiable
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 Apr 2012, at 20:05, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>> I think if it came out that Apple was probing your system to figure out if 
>> you are using assistive technology (which probably means you have a 
>> disability) and did this without asking you first, the press and various 
>> advocate organizations would have a field day around violation of personal 
>> privacy. But, I'm not a lawyer and, in this case, it's all conjecture. I do 
>> know that I was contacted by some folks from a large web advertising company 
>> about my coding an MSAA detector on web browsers. It eventually got shot 
>> down by their privacy folks for the aforementioned reason. So my opinion is 
>> not without some basis.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 4/2/12 2:57 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I 
>>> know of...
>>> 
>>> I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on 
>>> Earth wouldn't they?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2012, at 16:46, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer tracking 
>>> and privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were using 
>>> voiceover would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to 
>>> self-identify as having a disability or have that info pried out of their 
>>> system config and a company that did that secretly or otherwise would 
>>> probably have a PR mess once it was found out.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
 this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for 
 apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.
 
 so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you 
 purchase a new mac, start up and register your mac, you should  be able to 
 fill in a questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option 
 for disabled users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, 
 or operating system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind 
 users, so it gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in 
 voiceover and app support.
 
 just a thought on this.
 
 lew
 
 On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Ricardo,
> 
> True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time 
> a blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't 
> ordering it from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are 
> buying your Mac from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty 
> good idea of the number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the 
> exact to the last person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think 
> at times they are not.
> 
> On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> I really can't argue with that.  sele

Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

[Chris Blouch]

True, but there is a high probability that if you have VO running you 
probably are visually impaired. Likewise my previous test of MSAA being 
in use on a machine also does not guarantee the user was running a 
screen reader or even had a disability, but it didn't pass the sniff 
test. I have know people with no visual impairments using vo to read 
documents to them while they drive, so while it's not as universally 
useful as curb cuts turned out to be, there are some who discover vo on 
their phones and such and find additional applications for the technology.


CB

On 4/3/12 10:12 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

I get your point but, how does using voiceover identify your disability?  I 
mean, you could have a print impaired or be blind after all.  Thats like saying 
opening garageband makes you a musician. :)

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 3, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:


Well, I'm not sure it would pass the 'yuck' test for many people if they found 
out Apple was identifying their disability by probing their device and not 
asking permission. Personally identifiable or not. In the states the FTC just 
put out

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2010/12/101201privacyreport.pdf

which seems to imply the mere act of collecting data about a user without 
permission is verboten. In Europe privacy is considered a human right and so 
the rules around what you can gather without asking is even narrower. But this 
is straying far from the topic of all things Apple :)

CB

On 4/3/12 12:10 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

Chris,

Its anonymous, Apple are not probing your computer, they are probing a 
computer. There is in law, a difference.

Your example of what you were doing can cause issues legally as cookies and 
other such internet based tools collect data which is personally identifiable


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199



On 2 Apr 2012, at 20:05, Chris Blouch wrote:

I think if it came out that Apple was probing your system to figure out if you 
are using assistive technology (which probably means you have a disability) and 
did this without asking you first, the press and various advocate organizations 
would have a field day around violation of personal privacy. But, I'm not a 
lawyer and, in this case, it's all conjecture. I do know that I was contacted 
by some folks from a large web advertising company about my coding an MSAA 
detector on web browsers. It eventually got shot down by their privacy folks 
for the aforementioned reason. So my opinion is not without some basis.

CB

On 4/2/12 2:57 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

Chris,

Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I know 
of...

I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on Earth 
wouldn't they?


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199



On 2 Apr 2012, at 16:46, Chris Blouch wrote:

I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer tracking and 
privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were using voiceover 
would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to self-identify as having a 
disability or have that info pried out of their system config and a company 
that did that secretly or otherwise would probably have a PR mess once it was 
found out.

CB

On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for 
apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.

so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you purchase a 
new mac, start up and register your mac, you should  be able to fill in a 
questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option for disabled 
users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, or operating 
system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind users, so it 
gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in voiceover and app 
support.

just a thought on this.

lew

On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:


Ricardo,

True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a 
blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it 
from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your Mac 
from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good idea of the 
number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact to the last 
person nu

iPhone 4 for verizon for sale

[Cody]

Hi all,

For sale is my black 16 gb iPhone 4 which came out last feburary. I just 
purchased the iPhone 4s and no longer want this phone. This phone is in mint 
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me an offer feel free.

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Material for showing Apple accessibility solutions

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all:
I have just received an invitation from a very important an mexican institution 
to give a talk on Apple's accessibility solutions. I know what I would like to 
say, but I am missing support materials, like keynotes, videos, etc which can 
help to illustrate my talk.
The conference will be held in Mexico on may 3 and I have not support from a 
sighted person who can help me to prepare keynote that looks well. So, mi 
question is that if you know something or have any materials about this topic 
that could be of help? Thank you very much for your help!

SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T.
MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE.
 EN TWITTER: @macneticos
 NUESTRO BLOG EN:
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