Re: Creating mailboxes with message rules
Dear Oren, Your e-mail has come into my private address rather than the Macvisionaries. As for the question, I had similar problems. I am no expert but I will say what I have experienced. First of all, create the mailbox. If you tab or vo+arrow through the dialogue box which appears, you will get a choice at which level you wish to create your mailbox. It is under location. I think it's a popup button and you have a choice of either doing it "on my mac" or under your main identitty mailbox/inbox. Then in the preferences once you choose rules, you specify the rule as follows: in the "to" field "contains", you put the address of the macvisionaries group "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com". Then in the "action" section, you choose "move to" and under the popup button select your newly create mailbox. When you try to close the rules section, you will be asked whether you want to apply the rules. Accept it, and it should work fine. It does for me. With best wishes Simon On 13 Jul 2009, at 03:09, Orin wrote: > > Hey all, > Just wondering how to go about doing this? It wants me to create a > mailbox in the "On my Mac" section, but I want it where my sent and > trash and all that stuff are for these lists so I can get private mail > in my inbox. > > But when I create it I don't really want it to go into the > "RSS"section either so to speak. > > I just want it to go where the mailboxes go, like the default inbox, > etc. > > Than I want to take messages with a certain subject, for example > [macvoiceover], to be put into a Mac VOiceOver mailbox. > > Thanks. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: slide shows
I use iphoto quite easily. and I only have Ilife 8. you just have to ensure your photos are labelled in folders that you want to add and in the import folder where new imports are, copy and paste into a new slide show, hey presto, it's easy. I've made severeal already. with music and fancy things. :) On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello; I believe i asked this a while back. But since then a new > version of ilife has come out. Can anyone suggest a simple program > for creating a slide show on my mac? Is the newer version of iphoto > accessible enough that I could do it that way? As most people a cheap > or free solution would be preferred. Thanks in advance, Max > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Sensspace
Hi folks, How accessible is the SendSpace Wizard with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sensspace
very it even tells you its upoad progress but I thik you ned a max account I do not know if it lets one upload a file with a free account On 13 Jul 2009, at 12:00, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > How accessible is the SendSpace Wizard with VO? > > Thanks > > James > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sensspace
Yes I have one. Don't know if I should go to a stroe though or buy my new Mac online - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Sensspace > > very it even tells you its upoad progress > but I thik you ned a max account I do not know if it lets one upload a > file with a free account > > On 13 Jul 2009, at 12:00, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> How accessible is the SendSpace Wizard with VO? >> >> Thanks >> >> James >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sensspace
go to a store if one is near then you have it when you leave On 13 Jul 2009, at 12:31, James & Nash wrote: > > Yes I have one. Don't know if I should go to a stroe though or buy > my new > Mac online > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: Sensspace > > >> >> very it even tells you its upoad progress >> but I thik you ned a max account I do not know if it lets one >> upload a >> file with a free account >> >> On 13 Jul 2009, at 12:00, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> How accessible is the SendSpace Wizard with VO? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> James >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sensspace
yes it does. and you found it easy to use? really, I find the wizard a nightmare. On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:17 PM, william lomas wrote: > > very it even tells you its upoad progress > but I thik you ned a max account I do not know if it lets one upload a > file with a free account > > On 13 Jul 2009, at 12:00, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> How accessible is the SendSpace Wizard with VO? >> >> Thanks >> >> James >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mae, iMac, Macbooks and other Apple computers.
Ok, now what's an i7? May and Wynter with a y - Original Message - From: Blake Sinnett To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: RE: Mae, iMac, Macbooks and other Apple computers. M, Mac Pro.If I had a new I7 Mac Pro, that'd be fantastic. I know it would be sacrilegious, but I'd run my Windows music production software on it. Also, the towers are cool looking. > From: s.how...@verizon.net > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mae, iMac, Macbooks and other Apple computers. > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:03:38 -0400 > > > And don't forget the mother of all Macs, the Mac Pro. Of course unless > you have a real reason for a Mac Pro, you won't need one since that is > more horsepower than the average user would need. You can get those > babies with quad Duo Core processors, and enough ram to choke a horse. > Yeah, its like a server, which Apple of course has those as well, but > I forget what they are called. > > On Jul 12, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote: > > > > > Hi Mae, > > > > The iMac is the apple version of a full featured desktop computer. > > They have another "desktop" that lots of people use as a home > > entertainment hub called the Mac Mini. It's all the features of a CPU > > but you provide things like speakers, keyboard/mouse monitor. Then > > there are the notebook computers the macbook, macbook pro which has > > more power and some different options than the macbook and the macbook > > air which is a smaller lighter sort of notebook, I think they call > > them sub-notebooks? But not as small as these netbook things that seem > > to be all the rage. > > HTH > > Jenny > > Olathe, Kansas Usa > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
To be honest, I don't think it was so unfairly written. I do agree with some of the points he made, mainly those pertaining to finding the icon which announces battery status. I quested over to the Pentagon City Mall this weekend to have a look at the iPhone, and that got to me a little; though I didn't try navigation by "flicking," I did like the drag-and-tap model quite nicely. It was annoying to find the "more" or "page 2" buttons when navigating the iPod and Home screens respectively, and though I didn't try and find the battery/date and time icons, from listening to Shane Jackson's podcast it doesn't sound entirely pleasant. The touchscreen model is nice, but tapping around just to get info or move the screen down does seem a little cumbersome. Does navigation by "flick" eliminate the "more" button annoyance? (As if I was arrowing through a table - it doesn't matter what's showing on screen, just what's under the cursor?) On 7/12/09, Larry Wanger wrote: > This comes up when you do a search for Mosen and iPhone on Google. > Written before the iPhone with VO came to market I might add. > > - Original Message - > From: "Jonathan Mosen" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:15 PM > Subject: iPhone, a Reality Check > > > > There's been some pretty lively discussion on Twitter since the > > announcement > > of the new iPhone, which some are calling accessible. As 140 > characters > > can > > be quite limiting, I thought I would make some extended comment > through > > this > > list. > > > > There seems to be a great deal of excitement over the fact that > Apple have > > put a screen reader into the iPhone. For no extra cost, someone can > go to > > AT&T in the US, or your iPhone carrier in other countries, pick up an > > iPhone, and get speech without installing any additional software. > It can > > be > > made to talk by enabling the feature from the PC, so no sighted > assistance > > is required. At face value, the principle is an enticing one, > although the > > concept is not entirely new. Phones such as some of the LG range have > > offered an out of box experience that has varied in its degree of > > accessibility for some time. There is also the question of how > easily we > > as > > blind people can influence product enhancements. But hats off to > Apple for > > getting this done for sure. > > > > Just because we're blind, doesn't mean we're immune to the latest > trend > > and > > marketing hype. Sighted iPhone devotees love the look of the > iPhone, and > > its > > touch screen. So there are blind people who want an iPhone because > it's > > trendy. There's nothing inherently wrong with this either. If we > want to > > be > > part of the latest big thing, it is wrong for consumers that happen > to be > > blind to be locked out. It is worth baring in mind though that > Nokia still > > well outsells all of its competitors put together in the global > market. > > > > We all use our phones for different purposes, and perhaps it is > true that > > because screen readers have only run on smartphones, some of us are > using > > smartphones when we otherwise wouldn't be. A smartphone is all about > > productivity. Getting information in and out of the device with > ease is > > critical. > > > > There are comments in the Apple documentation, found at > > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html that intrigue > me > > with > > respect to reviewing what is on the screen. They say in part: > > > > What makes VoiceOver on iPhone truly remarkable is that you control > it > > using > > simple gestures that let you physically interact with items on > screen. > > It's > > easy to learn and fun to use. Instead of memorizing hundreds of > keyboard > > commands, or endlessly pressing tiny arrow keys to find what you're > > looking > > for, with VoiceOver, you simply touch the screen to hear a > description of > > the item under your finger, then gesture with a double-tap, drag, > or flick > > to control the phone. > > > > VoiceOver delivers an experience unlike any screen reader you've > ever used > > before. Traditional screen readers describe individual elements on > the > > screen, but struggle to communicate where each element is located or > > provide > > information about adjoining objects. This contextual information is > very > > important but typically filtered out by other screen readers. For > example, > > "off-screen" models used by traditional screen readers to represent > > applications and web pages intentionally strip away contextual > information > > and describe web pages as a list or menu of items. But with > VoiceOver on > > iPhone 3G S, you'll experience something entirely new. > > > > > > > > So say the people at Apple. It seems they are indulging in some > serious > > hyperbole here. As a Talks and Mobile Speak user who uses a lot of > the > > screen readers' functionality, it is simply not the
Re: slide shows
Hello; Thank for getting me started. I do think that either I didn't hear all the steps or you left some out. Let me tell you what i did, and you can tell me if I made it harder than it should have been. I chose import to library, selected my folder, and clicked to accept. Then I went to the list of photos and did a select all. Then I did new albumn where it prompted me with types of albumns and i chose slide show. Then it took me to a combination preview and settings page. I chose a piece of music and changed the rate to five seconds. Cant wait til my sighted family gets up so i can ask them what they think. Oh yeh, I exported it as a quicktime movie, and it plays. I don't know why but it never seamed even this easy the first few times I tried messing with it. Since you have more experience, can you suggest some settings to stay away from and why? Also, once i get the go ahead from family, I need to create a slide show for business. It will be of a ride through haunted house or dark ride as most people call them and I'll need some scary music or sound effects files. Would you know a good place to look for stuff like that? I can't wait to post my first one to my website and show people some more of the things they get when posting their equipment with me. Thanks a lot, Max hugs hope i'm not hugging a guy this publicly? oh well it would be worth it On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:37 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > I use iphoto quite easily. and I only have Ilife 8. you just have to > ensure your photos are labelled in folders that you want to add and in > the import folder where new imports are, copy and paste into a new > slide show, hey presto, it's easy. I've made severeal already. with > music and fancy things. :) > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> >> Hello; I believe i asked this a while back. But since then a new >> version of ilife has come out. Can anyone suggest a simple program >> for creating a slide show on my mac? Is the newer version of iphoto >> accessible enough that I could do it that way? As most people a >> cheap >> or free solution would be preferred. Thanks in advance, Max >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sensspace
I use the sendspace wizzard very successfully on my Mac. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:00 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > How accessible is the SendSpace Wizard with VO? > > Thanks > > James > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: slide shows
nope, that is how I would do it. and you always know if you vo--shift-- right arrow and it tells you how many items there are if you've got all your photos. I do believe scary music can be very fun and if you find any downloads, just import it into itunes and it is completely searchable when choosing your music. Personally not sure where you could find this kind of thing, but hope you have fun with Iphoto. I personally love it. have made a slide show, well continue to do so of my nephew and my guide dog :) On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello; Thank for getting me started. I do think that either I didn't > hear all the steps or you left some out. Let me tell you what i did, > and you can tell me if I made it harder than it should have been. I > chose import to library, selected my folder, and clicked to accept. > Then I went to the list of photos and did a select all. Then I did > new albumn where it prompted me with types of albumns and i chose > slide show. Then it took me to a combination preview and settings > page. I chose a piece of music and changed the rate to five seconds. > Cant wait til my sighted family gets up so i can ask them what they > think. Oh yeh, I exported it as a quicktime movie, and it plays. I > don't know why but it never seamed even this easy the first few times > I tried messing with it. Since you have more experience, can you > suggest some settings to stay away from and why? Also, once i get the > go ahead from family, I need to create a slide show for business. It > will be of a ride through haunted house or dark ride as most people > call them and I'll need some scary music or sound effects files. > Would you know a good place to look for stuff like that? I can't wait > to post my first one to my website and show people some more of the > things they get when posting their equipment with me. Thanks a lot, > Max hugs hope i'm not hugging a guy this publicly? oh well it would > be worth it > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:37 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> I use iphoto quite easily. and I only have Ilife 8. you just have to >> ensure your photos are labelled in folders that you want to add and >> in >> the import folder where new imports are, copy and paste into a new >> slide show, hey presto, it's easy. I've made severeal already. with >> music and fancy things. :) >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello; I believe i asked this a while back. But since then a new >>> version of ilife has come out. Can anyone suggest a simple program >>> for creating a slide show on my mac? Is the newer version of iphoto >>> accessible enough that I could do it that way? As most people a >>> cheap >>> or free solution would be preferred. Thanks in advance, Max >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: slide shows
Great timing; I just showed my first effort to the family, and they said it was great. I think my musical choice could have been better, but I don't have much music in my itunes folder. It isn't easy finding sound files. Every time i search, I find them; but they want you to pay for them as if they are full quality production music. But I'll keep looking. I'm also trying to find some good calliope music for obvious reasons. I may have to just break down and buy a couple c d's. lol Thanks for the help. The only thing i did wrong is I didn't realize that the default for photo order is date and time and not file name. So, even though i renamed the files in the folder before i started, that wasn't the order. I had to delete the album resort the photos by name and then start over. But if figure two full tries is a lot better than i expected when i first read your email. Ok, now, what size do you set your photos to i mean dimensions. I checked the file size of the mov file i outputted and its rather large for a minute and 26 seconds. Any suggestions how i could trim that down for uploading purposes? Thanks again, you've been a big help. Max On Jul 13, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > nope, that is how I would do it. and you always know if you vo-- > shift-- > right arrow and it tells you how many items there are if you've got > all your photos. I do believe scary music can be very fun and if you > find any downloads, just import it into itunes and it is completely > searchable when choosing your music. Personally not sure where you > could find this kind of thing, but hope you have fun with Iphoto. I > personally love it. have made a slide show, well continue to do so of > my nephew and my guide dog :) > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> >> Hello; Thank for getting me started. I do think that either I >> didn't >> hear all the steps or you left some out. Let me tell you what i did, >> and you can tell me if I made it harder than it should have been. I >> chose import to library, selected my folder, and clicked to accept. >> Then I went to the list of photos and did a select all. Then I did >> new albumn where it prompted me with types of albumns and i chose >> slide show. Then it took me to a combination preview and settings >> page. I chose a piece of music and changed the rate to five seconds. >> Cant wait til my sighted family gets up so i can ask them what they >> think. Oh yeh, I exported it as a quicktime movie, and it plays. I >> don't know why but it never seamed even this easy the first few times >> I tried messing with it. Since you have more experience, can you >> suggest some settings to stay away from and why? Also, once i get >> the >> go ahead from family, I need to create a slide show for business. It >> will be of a ride through haunted house or dark ride as most people >> call them and I'll need some scary music or sound effects files. >> Would you know a good place to look for stuff like that? I can't >> wait >> to post my first one to my website and show people some more of the >> things they get when posting their equipment with me. Thanks a lot, >> Max hugs hope i'm not hugging a guy this publicly? oh well it would >> be worth it >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:37 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> I use iphoto quite easily. and I only have Ilife 8. you just have to >>> ensure your photos are labelled in folders that you want to add and >>> in >>> the import folder where new imports are, copy and paste into a new >>> slide show, hey presto, it's easy. I've made severeal already. with >>> music and fancy things. :) >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >>> Hello; I believe i asked this a while back. But since then a new version of ilife has come out. Can anyone suggest a simple program for creating a slide show on my mac? Is the newer version of iphoto accessible enough that I could do it that way? As most people a cheap or free solution would be preferred. Thanks in advance, Max > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: slide shows
not a problem, I haven't messed with that too much. but I would just reccomment playing around with it. it's a fun app. :) On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Great timing; I just showed my first effort to the family, and they > said it was great. I think my musical choice could have been better, > but I don't have much music in my itunes folder. It isn't easy > finding sound files. Every time i search, I find them; but they want > you to pay for them as if they are full quality production music. But > I'll keep looking. I'm also trying to find some good calliope music > for obvious reasons. I may have to just break down and buy a couple c > d's. lol Thanks for the help. The only thing i did wrong is I didn't > realize that the default for photo order is date and time and not file > name. So, even though i renamed the files in the folder before i > started, that wasn't the order. I had to delete the album resort the > photos by name and then start over. But if figure two full tries is a > lot better than i expected when i first read your email. Ok, now, > what size do you set your photos to i mean dimensions. I checked the > file size of the mov file i outputted and its rather large for a > minute and 26 seconds. Any suggestions how i could trim that down for > uploading purposes? Thanks again, you've been a big help. Max > On Jul 13, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> nope, that is how I would do it. and you always know if you vo-- >> shift-- >> right arrow and it tells you how many items there are if you've got >> all your photos. I do believe scary music can be very fun and if you >> find any downloads, just import it into itunes and it is completely >> searchable when choosing your music. Personally not sure where you >> could find this kind of thing, but hope you have fun with Iphoto. I >> personally love it. have made a slide show, well continue to do so of >> my nephew and my guide dog :) >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello; Thank for getting me started. I do think that either I >>> didn't >>> hear all the steps or you left some out. Let me tell you what i >>> did, >>> and you can tell me if I made it harder than it should have been. I >>> chose import to library, selected my folder, and clicked to accept. >>> Then I went to the list of photos and did a select all. Then I did >>> new albumn where it prompted me with types of albumns and i chose >>> slide show. Then it took me to a combination preview and settings >>> page. I chose a piece of music and changed the rate to five >>> seconds. >>> Cant wait til my sighted family gets up so i can ask them what they >>> think. Oh yeh, I exported it as a quicktime movie, and it plays. I >>> don't know why but it never seamed even this easy the first few >>> times >>> I tried messing with it. Since you have more experience, can you >>> suggest some settings to stay away from and why? Also, once i get >>> the >>> go ahead from family, I need to create a slide show for business. >>> It >>> will be of a ride through haunted house or dark ride as most people >>> call them and I'll need some scary music or sound effects files. >>> Would you know a good place to look for stuff like that? I can't >>> wait >>> to post my first one to my website and show people some more of the >>> things they get when posting their equipment with me. Thanks a lot, >>> Max hugs hope i'm not hugging a guy this publicly? oh well it >>> would >>> be worth it >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:37 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>> I use iphoto quite easily. and I only have Ilife 8. you just have to ensure your photos are labelled in folders that you want to add and in the import folder where new imports are, copy and paste into a new slide show, hey presto, it's easy. I've made severeal already. with music and fancy things. :) On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello; I believe i asked this a while back. But since then a new > version of ilife has come out. Can anyone suggest a simple > program > for creating a slide show on my mac? Is the newer version of > iphoto > accessible enough that I could do it that way? As most people a > cheap > or free solution would be preferred. Thanks in advance, Max > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hi Jenny, I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best phone provider I've eve been with. I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their text service about your balance and allowence super!!! Anyway, hope this helps. Vicki. On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Kevin, > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made > Any help most welcome > Best regards > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >> remembered >> this trick. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in >>> Nashville Tn. >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>> process of >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>> experience >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>> >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>> >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was >>> opening. >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are >>> laid >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending >>> said >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I >>> even >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >>> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to >>> drag >>> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a >>> song. >>> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >>> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to >>> get >>> it to tell me again. >>> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, >>> was >>> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully >>> able to >>> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, >>> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and >>> the >>> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the >>> left, >>> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, >>> but >>> I'm not sure. >>> Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few >>> minutes >>> looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web >>> page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website >>> to >>> not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to t
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Yes, a friend of mine also likes TMobile and is hoping they will get the IPhone soon. She doesn't want to switch providers. May and Wynter with a y - Original Message - From: "Vicki Manley" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. > > Hi Jenny, > I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best > phone provider I've eve been with. > I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found > thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile > team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are > great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their > text service about your balance and allowence super!!! > Anyway, hope this helps. > Vicki. > On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Kevin, >> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't >> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best >> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service >> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. >> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not >> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the >> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made >> Any help most welcome >> Best regards >> Jenny >> >> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >>> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >>> remembered >>> this trick. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and th
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand- new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer service wize? At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: >Hi Jenny, >I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >phone provider I've eve been with. >I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found >thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >Anyway, hope this helps. >Vicki. >On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > > > > Kevin, > > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't > > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best > > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service > > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. > > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not > > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the > > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made > > Any help most welcome > > Best regards > > Jenny > > > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO > >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I > >> remembered > >> this trick. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Alex, > >> > >> > >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple > Store in Nashville Tn. > >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out > >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > >>> process of > >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an > >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this > >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long > >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > >>> experience > >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > >>> > >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of > >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > >>> > >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I > >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. > >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. > >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > >>> opening. > >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > >>> laid > >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell > >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > >>> said > >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it > >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > >>> even > >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > >>> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > >>> drag > >>> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > >>> song. > >>> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > >>> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to > >>> get > >>> it to tell me again. > >>> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, > >>> was > >>> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully > >>> able to > >>> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, > >>> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and > >>> the > >>> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the > >>> left, > >>> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, > >>> but > >>> I'm not sure. > >>> Safari was a bit interest
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Oh right that's cool then. I've been with a lot of other companies and must say I was extremely impressed with T Mobile from the first time I spoke to them etc. Also their ensurance company they use, provide things in braille. Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 17:52, May and Wynter wrote: > > Yes, a friend of mine also likes TMobile and is hoping they will get > the > IPhone soon. She doesn't want to switch providers. > > May and Wynter with a y > - Original Message - > From: "Vicki Manley" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts > and > obsurvations. > > >> >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Not sure, I guess so, would you like me to try and find out? Someone else on the list may know this answer for you. Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > service wize? > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple >> Store in Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to > get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, > was > able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully > able to > bend my head around it's layout. I co
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I don't know, but my experience with T-Mobile here in the U.S was not so great. Well ok, it wasn't to bad until they tried messing me over twice. Once when I asked for a change in the service and they extended my contract by a few months after promising and repeatedly saying they would not and then trying to charge me an early termination fee on both lines after the contract was up and I opted to switch providers do to coverage issues. Of course you can find negative stories about any carrier. My hope however is that once the contract with AT&T expires with Apple, other carriers will begin carrying the iPhone. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > service wize? > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple >> Store in Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I don't think they'll be the same as the people whom answer the phones when I call T Mobile customer services all sound like they are from UK and not US. Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > service wize? > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple >> Store in Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to > get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, > was > able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully > able to >
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I was just asking as this list is world wide and there are people from all over on here. At 18:33 13/07/2009, you wrote: >Not sure, I guess so, would you like me to try and find out? >Someone else on the list may know this answer for you. >Vicki. >On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > > > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > > service wize? > > > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > > > >> Hi Jenny, > >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best > >> phone provider I've eve been with. > >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've > >> found > >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile > >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are > >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their > >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! > >> Anyway, hope this helps. > >> Vicki. > >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Kevin, > >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I > >>> don't > >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the > >>> best > >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have > >>> service > >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have > >>> iPhone. > >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they > >>> not > >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without > >>> the > >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be > >>> made > >>> Any help most welcome > >>> Best regards > >>> Jenny > >>> > >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO > can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I > remembered > this trick. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > > > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple > >> Store in Nashville Tn. > > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > > out > > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > > process of > > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > > an > > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > > this > > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > > long > > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > > experience > > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > > deal of > > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > > uncertainty. I > > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > > strange. > > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > > random. > > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > > opening. > > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > > laid > > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > > cell > > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > > said > > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > > it > > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > > even > > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > > drag > > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > > song. > > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
I just added my cities local mobile newspaper to my home screen, and can now click on a button and voila, I'm reading the newspaper, no matter where I'm at.waiting for a cab, waiting in a doctor's office.it's absolutely fantastic!! Something I was never able to do on my Nokia 6620.could never figure out how to navigate web pages on that! Love my iPhone! Russell From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:37 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there were going to be some people who would rather put politics and special interests ahead of advancement for blind users. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >> inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first >> time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for >> human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems >> just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. >> Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick >> method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a >> brand-new and unfamiliar screen. >> >> Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, >> inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever >> growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it >> takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
agreed! the part that got me was the downplaying of the specs of the iPhone. On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:51 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the > special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to > take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the > picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned > on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to > deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done > what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and > capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at > best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I > heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen > reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there were > going to be some people who would rather put politics and special > interests ahead of advancement for blind users. > > > Take Care > > John Panarese > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who >> first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some >> of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same >> logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days >> of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line >> and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this >> to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can >> already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile >> device I am using currently and don't much care for. >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >> >>> >>> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >>> inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first >>> time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for >>> human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems >>> just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. >>> Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick >>> method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a >>> brand-new and unfamiliar screen. >>> >>> Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, >>> inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever >>> growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it >>> takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) >>> >>> Josh de Lioncourt >>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hello Russell and all: The following is a statement for comparison purposes only ... so there is no need to make this portion of the discussion last too long (smile). I am thrilled to hear that your experience is a positive one. That feeling of being able to accomplish something you enjoy for the first time is amazing. I could never get the nokia 6620 using Mobile Speak to work well on reading newspapers either. However, that ability was much improved in the Nokia 6650 (symbian 60 version 9.3). I personally prefer the Iphone's capability and approach ... though if there are any hold outs who truly do not want or do not care about the iphone and whom wish to read newspapers ... take heart ... the symbian 50 version 9.x generation will not leave you in the dust ... LOL Happy reading On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > I just added my cities local mobile newspaper to my home screen, and > can now click on a button and voila, I’m reading the newspaper, no > matter where I’m at…waiting for a cab, waiting in a doctor’s office… > it’s absolutely fantastic!! Something I was never able to do on my > Nokia 6620…could never figure out how to navigate web pages on that! > > Love my iPhone! > > Russell > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:37 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hello John and all: I know this has been asked so please forgive me. Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the > special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to > take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the > picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned > on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to > deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done > what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and > capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at > best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I > heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen > reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there were > going to be some people who would rather put politics and special > interests ahead of advancement for blind users. > > > Take Care > > John Panarese > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who >> first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some >> of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same >> logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days >> of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line >> and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this >> to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can >> already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile >> device I am using currently and don't much care for. >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >> >>> >>> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >>> inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first >>> time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for >>> human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems >>> just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. >>> Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick >>> method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a >>> brand-new and unfamiliar screen. >>> >>> Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, >>> inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever >>> growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it >>> takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) >>> >>> Josh de Lioncourt >>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
Josh, I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him that, in the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness technology providers in the world and with that role comes some responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the opportunity to set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on my iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an advanced camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a lot better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he would be willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone has been in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never even held one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response he might give now would be baseless. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother downloading the actual article. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: > Hello John and all: > > I know this has been asked so please forgive me. > > Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it > seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> >>I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the >> special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to >> take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the >> picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned >> on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to >> deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done >> what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and >> capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at >> best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I >> heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen >> reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there >> were >> going to be some people who would rather put politics and special >> interests ahead of advancement for blind users. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who >>> first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some >>> of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same >>> logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days >>> of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line >>> and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this >>> to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can >>> already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile >>> device I am using currently and don't much care for. >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > Take good care and I wish you enough. > > Love > > Me > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was - just some thoughts on challenges one might face. For all the flack organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was "slamming" the iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid. I think we'd be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism. I'm definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons are hard to locate). I'm just saying that some of the functionality is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to access. From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in safari. Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips. The iPhone isn't necessarily right for everyone. On 7/13/09, John Panarese wrote: > > I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and > since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother > downloading the actual article. > > > Take Care > > John Panarese > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: > >> Hello John and all: >> >> I know this has been asked so please forgive me. >> >> Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it >> seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> >>>I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the >>> special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to >>> take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the >>> picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned >>> on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to >>> deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done >>> what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and >>> capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at >>> best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I >>> heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen >>> reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there >>> were >>> going to be some people who would rather put politics and special >>> interests ahead of advancement for blind users. >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John Panarese >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other m
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
OK, consider me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows mobile smart phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing mobile geo. I keep hearing everybody going absolutely crazy over access to the I-phone. Can somebody tell me why this is so great? I don't really understand the hype. I do understand we get access right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making everybody turn inside out? I'd love to understand this, so any help you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could switch if I wanted to, but I just don't understand why this phone is the second coming. -- Damon Fibraio screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4239 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations from that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit down with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his findings. I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his position regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, you'd accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had with a particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice to see their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a very much "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the very least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid Mac when you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, the market being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of these folks over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a competitor now and any competition is a threat. On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > Josh, > > I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I > am more productive with this phone and able to do so much more than > I could with my Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. > And, I had terrible luck finding applications for that phone that > were accessible. I have pages of apps on my iPhone that I use all > the time. > > What frustrates me about Jonathan’s article/email is that he wrote > this before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear > about how he feels. And, like it or not, he’s a “leader” if you want > to call him that, in the access technology world. I don’t mean > leader in the traditional sense; I mean it in that he’s a vice > president at one of the largest blindness technology providers in > the world and with that role comes some responsibility. > Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak rashly about > products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being self > promoting and carrying the company line. I’d love the opportunity to > set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on > my iPhone. No, it doesn’t run the KNFB reader and it doesn’t have an > advanced camera like some other phones in the world but it works a > hell of a lot better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I > wonder if he would be willing to sit down and write out his > observations after the iPhone has been in the marketplace for almost > a month now. But, I bet he’s never even held one in his hand so, as > with his initial observations, any response he might give now would > be baseless. > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi, It does GPS comprible to Trekker and possibly better and provides the closest thing to a sighted experance. Plus it is designed to work with 56000 apps that do everything. Sure some developers are slow at making their apps accessible, but they are generally good folks who are doing their best and progress moves along smoothly. Regards, alex, On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Damon Fibraio wrote: > OK, consider me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows > mobile smart phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing > mobile geo. I keep hearing everybody going absolutely crazy over > access to the I-phone. Can somebody tell me why this is so great? I > don’t really understand the hype. I do understand we get access > right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you > get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that > this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. > But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to > mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making > everybody turn inside out? I’d love to understand this, so any help > you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could > switch if I wanted to, but I just don’t understand why this phone is > the second coming. > > -- > Damon Fibraio > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: > dfibraio > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. > Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, > http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi James, Without a doubt, one should be able to handle criticism, and, in reality, criticism can be a positive thing if it is offered constructively and thoughtfully. No technology, company or product should be considered the perfect solution for every user. The problem with the article and those written by the NFB and AFB is the deliberate and obvious manner of obscuring the truth and focusing on the negatives to an extreme that seems to go out of their way. In other words, if you really want to, you can write a negative review of any product and any company if you specifically focus on the negatives and exaggerate them. Also, add a healthy amount of misinformation or purposely leaving out facts, and you can create doubt and suspicion about any product to the average reader. Again, it is not the actual criticism that is the problem. Yes, the article was written Before the iPhone, which, within itself, speaks volumes as to its motives. Also, if you carefully read the NFB article on VoiceOver, and then listen to the Accessibility Round Table podcast that addresses its points, you will understand why some are taking issue with its legitimacy and lack of accuracy. Yes, there might have been some facts in it, but there was clearly an intent behind it that sought to cast VoiceOver in the most negative light to the reader. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:53 PM, James Dietz wrote: > > I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it > was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly > he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get > home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the > iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his > assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was - > just some thoughts on challenges one might face. For all the flack > organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize > voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was "slamming" the > iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid. I think we'd > be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism. I'm > definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I > actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my > current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons > the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons > are hard to locate). I'm just saying that some of the functionality > is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to > access. From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a > very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of > one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I > remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in > safari. Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons > which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most > part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to > remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate > too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips. The iPhone > isn't necessarily right for everyone. > > On 7/13/09, John Panarese wrote: >> >> I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and >> since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother >> downloading the actual article. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: >> >>> Hello John and all: >>> >>> I know this has been asked so please forgive me. >>> >>> Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it >>> seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there were going to be some people who would rather put politics and special interests ahead of advancement for blind users. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, S
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Hi To Jessie and everyone who helped me with te triangles thing. Thanks! VO backslash works wonderfully! also love the VO shift M command. I love figuring out and learning new things to do with this Mac and VO. :-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
mfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ______ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4239 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
I don't think anyone is afraid of criticism, just criticism written by those who have not used the product for any length of time and therefore are writing reviews and the like without practical experience. If you're going to level criticism you'd better have the knowledge and experience to back up your claims. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dietz Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:54 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was - just some thoughts on challenges one might face. For all the flack organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was "slamming" the iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid. I think we'd be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism. I'm definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons are hard to locate). I'm just saying that some of the functionality is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to access. From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in safari. Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips. The iPhone isn't necessarily right for everyone. On 7/13/09, John Panarese wrote: > > I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and > since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother > downloading the actual article. > > > Take Care > > John Panarese > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: > >> Hello John and all: >> >> I know this has been asked so please forgive me. >> >> Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it >> seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> >>>I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the >>> special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to >>> take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the >>> picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned >>> on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to >>> deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done >>> what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and >>> capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at >>> best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I >>> heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen >>> reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there >>> were >>> going to be some people who would rather put politics and special >>> interests ahead of advancement for blind users. >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John Panarese >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery s
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, if enough of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more each year in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other product and the markets they compete in. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations from that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit down with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his findings. I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his position regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, you'd accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had with a particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice to see their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a very much "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the very least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid Mac when you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, the market being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of these folks over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a competitor now and any competition is a threat. On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: Josh, I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him that, in the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness technology providers in the world and with that role comes some responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the opportunity to set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on my iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an advanced camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a lot better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he would be willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone has been in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never even held one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response he might give now would be baseless. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at h
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
oh ok then, no worries, best wishes, Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:46, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > I was just asking as this list is world wide and there are people > from all over on here. > > At 18:33 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Not sure, I guess so, would you like me to try and find out? >> Someone else on the list may know this answer for you. >> Vicki. >> On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: >> >>> >>> Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer >>> service wize? >>> >>> At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi Jenny, I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best phone provider I've eve been with. I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their text service about your balance and allowence super!!! Anyway, hope this helps. Vicki. On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Kevin, > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I > don't > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the > best > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have > service > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have > iPhone. > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they > not > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without > the > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be > made > Any help most welcome > Best regards > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume >> for VO >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >> remembered >> this trick. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk >>> out >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>> process of >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about >>> an >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after >>> this >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as >>> long >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales >>> person >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>> experience >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, >>> which >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right >>> where vo >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>> >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is >>> too >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great >>> deal of >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>> >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some >>> uncertainty. I >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several >>> apps. >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit >>> strange. >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at >>> random. >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was >>> opening. >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are >>> laid >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my >>> cell >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and >>> ending >>> said >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start >>> it >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I >>> even >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted >>> without >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to >>> come >>> into play. I was no
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
n somebody tell me why this is so great? I > don’t really understand the hype. I do understand we get access > right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you > get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that > this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. > But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to > mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making > everybody turn inside out? I’d love to understand this, so any help > you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could > switch if I wanted to, but I just don’t understand why this phone is > the second coming. > > -- > Damon Fibraio > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: > dfibraio > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. > Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, > http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ______ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
and this, so any help you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could switch if I wanted to, but I just don't understand why this phone is the second coming. -- Damon Fibraio screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4239 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi Alex, You wrote: "It does GPS comprible to Trekker and possibly better". Can you elaborate? Are you talking about Navigon? Apparently that's not available in North America right now, right? Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone, and just want to make sure I'm not missing out on a GPS solution that I'm not aware of. Thanks, Russell From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Hi, It does GPS comprible to Trekker and possibly better and provides the closest thing to a sighted experance. Plus it is designed to work with 56000 apps that do everything. Sure some developers are slow at making their apps accessible, but they are generally good folks who are doing their best and progress moves along smoothly. Regards, alex, On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Damon Fibraio wrote: OK, consider me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows mobile smart phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing mobile geo. I keep hearing everybody going absolutely crazy over access to the I-phone. Can somebody tell me why this is so great? I don't really understand the hype. I do understand we get access right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making everybody turn inside out? I'd love to understand this, so any help you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could switch if I wanted to, but I just don't understand why this phone is the second coming. -- Damon Fibraio screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4239 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to mac
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
making > everybody turn inside out? I’d love to understand this, so any help > you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could > switch if I wanted to, but I just don’t understand why this phone is > the second coming. > > -- > Damon Fibraio > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: > dfibraio > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. > Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, > http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ______ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hello, That's exactly what they are afraid of. On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, if > enough of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds > more each year in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It’s > like any other product and the markets they compete in. > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's > case, I have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on > observations from that and things he has said/written, I seriously > doubt he would sit down with you or an iPhone and certainly not to > be objective about his findings. I think he would be quite > argumentative and take a hardline on his position regardless of > whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, you'd > accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a > headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had > with a particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines > of me expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was > nice to see their product could be used under a VM. Of course that > met with a very much "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked > upon as being at the very least miledly daft and why in hell would > you want to use a stupid Mac when you have a great solution and a > good os at your disposal. :) So, the market being what it is, I > don't think you'll ever win him or most of these folks over. I guess > I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a competitor > now and any competition is a threat. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > > Josh, > > I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I > am more productive with this phone and able to do so much more than > I could with my Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. > And, I had terrible luck finding applications for that phone that > were accessible. I have pages of apps on my iPhone that I use all > the time. > > What frustrates me about Jonathan’s article/email is that he wrote > this before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear > about how he feels. And, like it or not, he’s a “leader” if you want > to call him that, in the access technology world. I don’t mean > leader in the traditional sense; I mean it in that he’s a vice > president at one of the largest blindness technology providers in > the world and with that role comes some responsibility. > Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak rashly about > products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being self > promoting and carrying the company line. I’d love the opportunity to > set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on > my iPhone. No, it doesn’t run the KNFB reader and it doesn’t have an > advanced camera like some other phones in the world but it works a > hell of a lot better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I > wonder if he would be willing to sit down and write out his > observations after the iPhone has been in the marketplace for almost > a month now. But, I bet he’s never even held one in his hand so, as > with his initial observations, any response he might give now would > be baseless. > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
s phone do that is making everybody turn inside out? I’d love to understand this, so any help you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could switch if I wanted to, but I just don’t understand why this phone is the second coming. -- Damon Fibraio screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4239 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
oming. > > -- > Damon Fibraio > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: > dfibraio > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. > Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, > http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
navigon lite
Hey Rustle there is a version called navigon lite that works with the IPhone for North America. I tried it out for a little while to see what if offered. For our North American version there's no gps coverage yet. So if you wanted to use it for routes while you're actually walking and outside it won't work. But if you wanted to plan a trip and get directions before you left it does that very well. Hope tha made sense. May and Wynter with a y --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
Yup. Apparently the 'lite' version is little more than a demo in that it doesn't let you route from where you are to some point. It has a 'simulation' button which will go from someplace near by to the point you picked, but that's not really useful. CB May and Wynter wrote: > Hey Rustle there is a version called navigon lite that works with the > IPhone for North America. > > I tried it out for a little while to see what if offered. For our > North American version there's no gps coverage yet. So if you wanted > to use it for routes while you're actually walking and outside it > won't work. But if you wanted to plan a trip and get directions > before you left it does that very well. Hope tha made sense. > > May and Wynter with a y > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each key. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
actually some of us are not affraid of it more like disgusted by the lack of attention to detail by people who hold themselves out as experts while doing everything possible to support an agenda. Those who are evaluating should remain objective and as has been said before, apply their critique in such a way as to be constructive in general allowing those reading their material to make an informed decision based on fact rather than alarmist propiganda miss leading statements and half-hearted research. On 13-Jul-09, at 3:50 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > I don't think anyone is afraid of criticism, just criticism written > by those > who have not used the product for any length of time and therefore are > writing reviews and the like without practical experience. If you're > going > to level criticism you'd better have the knowledge and experience to > back up > your claims. > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dietz > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:54 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it > was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly > he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get > home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the > iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his > assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was - > just some thoughts on challenges one might face. For all the flack > organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize > voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was "slamming" the > iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid. I think we'd > be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism. I'm > definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I > actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my > current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons > the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons > are hard to locate). I'm just saying that some of the functionality > is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to > access. From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a > very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of > one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I > remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in > safari. Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons > which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most > part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to > remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate > too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips. The iPhone > isn't necessarily right for everyone. > > On 7/13/09, John Panarese wrote: >> >> I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and >> since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother >> downloading the actual article. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: >> >>> Hello John and all: >>> >>> I know this has been asked so please forgive me. >>> >>> Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it >>> seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there were going to be some people who would rather put politics and special interests ahead of advancement for blind users. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users > who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess > some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this > same > logic to any new interface. Fo
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
And with time you will only get better. There is no question that you are learning an entirely new environment and how to access the interface, but once you get a handle on it, you will find that it becomes so intuitive. The one thing I like is I can use any of the machines in our house or any Mac for that matter and I will have the same experience. I don't have to worry about loading a screen reader, tweaking things to make it work better etc. If our library had a Mac or I stop in at the local APple store or even Best Buy, I can walk up to a Mac and get access to the web right there for a little research. So many advantages, but in the end, it all comes down to what works for you. On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:27 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > Smile, I'm not use to the Mac environment at all. This is my first > apple equipment. > > Not doing too bad with it for only less than a month. > > May and Wynter with a y --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi, Yes, Russel, Navigon for those outisde the NA boundries :) . I'm still waiting for Navigon NA as well. Regards, Alex, On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Alex, > > You wrote: “It does GPS comprible to Trekker and possibly better”. > Can you elaborate? Are you talking about Navigon? Apparently > that’s not available in North America right now, right? Don’t get > me wrong, I love my iPhone, and just want to make sure I’m not > missing out on a GPS solution that I’m not aware of. > > Thanks, > > Russell > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:04 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hi, > > It does GPS comprible to Trekker and possibly better and provides > the closest thing to a sighted experance. Plus it is designed to > work with 56000 apps that do everything. Sure some developers are > slow at making their apps accessible, but they are generally good > folks who are doing their best and progress moves along smoothly. > > Regards, > alex, > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Damon Fibraio wrote: > > > OK, consider me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows > mobile smart phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing > mobile geo. I keep hearing everybody going absolutely crazy over > access to the I-phone. Can somebody tell me why this is so great? I > don’t really understand the hype. I do understand we get access > right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you > get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that > this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. > But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to > mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making > everybody turn inside out? I’d love to understand this, so any help > you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could > switch if I wanted to, but I just don’t understand why this phone is > the second coming. > > -- > Damon Fibraio > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: > dfibraio > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. > Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, > http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I disagree and I dont' think you can put any markers on the screen or it would interfere with the function of the phone. Point is there is no struggle once you get used to the interface. It's like anything else, you just have to get beyond the learning curve and the degree of the curve will be based on your experiences, level of patience, and level of interest. However, if you buy an iPhone, likely the level of interest will be considerably higher. :) On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J > keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some > people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody > can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each > key. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Apple could release a touch tablet device as early as October
Folks, this might be interesting to some and in fact I recall a rumor a while back that VZW would be interested in such a device. THe only bummer in my opinion is you can't shove this into your pocket unless you got some mighty big pockets. I think I'd rather have an iPhone, but this would be interesting if it comes to be and I wonder what type of processor and ram it would have. So, make of this what you will and enjoy. Oh and remember this is all still speculation based purely on rumor. Begin forwarded message: > Date: July 13, 2009 1:14:00 PM EDT > Subject: Apple could release a touch tablet device as early as October > Source: MacFixIt > > According to a cavalcade of Mac rumor blogs and Web sites, Apple > could be planning on releasing a touch screen tablet device as early > as this October, pairing nicely with the expected Snow Leopard > release and iPod updates. > Read more… > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Yes, and since the keyboard can be switched from portrit to landscape, this would defeat the purpose. Honestly, muscle memory and experience will enable the user to find the home row with little difficulty. It just takes practice. It's hard to explain if you have not used the device, but the whole touch screen concept is really not as challenging as one might think. Remember how the blind were made to fear the GUI and how many didn't want to leave their DOS systems behind? Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > I disagree and I dont' think you can put any markers on the screen or > it would interfere with the function of the phone. Point is there is > no struggle once you get used to the interface. It's like anything > else, you just have to get beyond the learning curve and the degree of > the curve will be based on your experiences, level of patience, and > level of interest. However, if you buy an iPhone, likely the level of > interest will be considerably higher. :) > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > >> With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J >> keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some >> people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody >> can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each >> key. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
Hi, May. There's also Tomtom, and another one that my friend Cara Quinn was just telling me about the other day that is fully accessible to Iphone 3GS users. I haven't yet got the money for one, but I'm hoping. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
Yes, and it's amazing how accurate you get at finding the correct keys after a while! I'm sure I can type faster with the iPhone keyboard than I could with the Nokia 6620! Thanks, Russell -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone I disagree and I dont' think you can put any markers on the screen or it would interfere with the function of the phone. Point is there is no struggle once you get used to the interface. It's like anything else, you just have to get beyond the learning curve and the degree of the curve will be based on your experiences, level of patience, and level of interest. However, if you buy an iPhone, likely the level of interest will be considerably higher. :) On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J > keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some > people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody > can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each > key. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
any help you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could switch if I wanted to, but I just don't understand why this phone is the second coming. -- Damon Fibraio screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4239 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
yeah, I whole heartedly agree. I'm a little tired of the impatience by some. The technology works, if it didn't, everyone would be complaining. it takes time and you didn't know every hidden feature of a mac/PC or a screen reader within a few days or weeks, did you? On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
it's good to see if it works though. I'm using the light version in the UK until I can afford the full version, and it gives us all an idea on how we can use it without spending the money first. I like this. On Jul 13, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > Yup. Apparently the 'lite' version is little more than a demo in > that it doesn't let you route from where you are to some point. It > has a 'simulation' button which will go from someplace near by to > the point you picked, but that's not really useful. > > CB > > May and Wynter wrote: >> >> Hey Rustle there is a version called navigon lite that works with >> the IPhone for North America. >> >> I tried it out for a little while to see what if offered. For our >> North American version there's no gps coverage yet. So if you >> wanted to use it for routes while you're actually walking and >> outside it won't work. But if you wanted to plan a trip and get >> directions before you left it does that very well. Hope tha made >> sense. >> >> May and Wynter with a y >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
I've been trying to get my head around an idea of creating a screen cover with markings or even Braille on it for the keyboard. The problem though for starters is that the keyboard changes and is contextual. In some text fields, where you're entering email addresses for example, the keyboard adds the period, @ sign and even a .com button. In other cases those symbols are not present on the main keyboard and you need to hit the more button to access these functions. Therefore, I think creating an overlay would be challenging but its something I've thought of. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each key. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple could release a touch tablet device as early as October
hmm, not that interested in a tablet, not for my personal use. as I said to my BF earlier today, my iphone is all I need while out and about and my macbook13 is small enough if I need to carry a portable computer. but hey if they do, I'm sure others would like it. On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Folks, this might be interesting to some and in fact I recall a > rumor a while back that VZW would be interested in such a device. > THe only bummer in my opinion is you can't shove this into your > pocket unless you got some mighty big pockets. I think I'd rather > have an iPhone, but this would be interesting if it comes to be and > I wonder what type of processor and ram it would have. So, make of > this what you will and enjoy. Oh and remember this is all still > speculation based purely on rumor. > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> Date: July 13, 2009 1:14:00 PM EDT >> Subject: Apple could release a touch tablet device as early as >> October >> Source: MacFixIt >> >> According to a cavalcade of Mac rumor blogs and Web sites, Apple >> could be planning on releasing a touch screen tablet device as >> early as this October, pairing nicely with the expected Snow >> Leopard release and iPod updates. >> Read more… >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
the phone is meant to be how it was designed, no adaptive techy stuff is needed. There's no need to adapt it, it works! I'm sure if I didn't have the bumps on my f and j keys on my comp, I'd still find the keys, voice feedback. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > I've been trying to get my head around an idea of creating a screen > cover with markings or even Braille on it for the keyboard. The > problem though for starters is that the keyboard changes and is > contextual. In some text fields, where you're entering email > addresses for example, the keyboard adds the period, @ sign and even > a .com button. In other cases those symbols are not present on the > main keyboard and you need to hit the more button to access these > functions. Therefore, I think creating an overlay would be > challenging but its something I've thought of. > > > > > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > > With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J > keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some > people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody > can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each > key. > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > > Josh de Lioncourt > > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > > Music: http://stage19music.com > > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
I was able to route from where I am to where I wanted to go and got directions for it. Jus not like I would with trekker, it's not set for that yet. Maybe some day but know big deal for me. I just need to know how to get someplace so the map feature that's already on the IPhone works for me. May and Wynter with a y - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: navigon lite Yup. Apparently the 'lite' version is little more than a demo in that it doesn't let you route from where you are to some point. It has a 'simulation' button which will go from someplace near by to the point you picked, but that's not really useful. CB May and Wynter wrote: Hey Rustle there is a version called navigon lite that works with the IPhone for North America. I tried it out for a little while to see what if offered. For our North American version there's no gps coverage yet. So if you wanted to use it for routes while you're actually walking and outside it won't work. But if you wanted to plan a trip and get directions before you left it does that very well. Hope tha made sense. May and Wynter with a y --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi yeah and I'll bet that mozen will probably get away with all the critisism he gives to apple products. What I think these highway rovery people should do, is instead of trying to shove a compettiter into the ground, in this case, is figure out what kind of software can they build for the iphone that maybe someone hasn't either thought of yet or to replace something that isn't accessible yet. Of course it may be only a matter of time before what ever main stream app they might attempt to replace might become accessible one day. and then there'de they be again. I don't know I just think that these adaptive venders just need to rearange there stratigy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
What's the other one called, do you remember? May and Wynter with a y - Original Message - From: "Mark Baxter" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: Re: navigon lite > > Hi, May. There's also Tomtom, and another one that my friend Cara > Quinn was just telling me about the other day that is fully accessible > to Iphone 3GS users. I haven't yet got the money for one, but I'm > hoping. :) > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: navigon lite
Hi May, That makes perfect sense! Thanks. Will give it a try and when the GPS version comes out I'll be familiar with it! Russell From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May and Wynter Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:31 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: navigon lite Hey Rustle there is a version called navigon lite that works with the IPhone for North America. I tried it out for a little while to see what if offered. For our North American version there's no gps coverage yet. So if you wanted to use it for routes while you're actually walking and outside it won't work. But if you wanted to plan a trip and get directions before you left it does that very well. Hope tha made sense. May and Wynter with a y --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows > mobile smart phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing > mobile geo. I keep hearing everybody going absolutely crazy over > access to the I-phone. Can somebody tell me why this is so great? I > don’t really understand the hype. I do understand we get access > right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you > get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that > this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. > But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to > mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making > everybody turn inside out? I’d love to understand this, so any help > you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could > switch if I wanted to, but I just don’t understand why this phone is > the second coming. > > -- > Damon Fibraio > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: > dfibraio > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. > Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, > http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
I, too, could probably effectively use a much "lighter," version of Trekker, the bare-bones of directions or even street names and commercial maps, as I've been traveling all my life without GPS and have outstanding skills, if I do say so myself. :) I must get an Iphone 3GS and play with all these things while I have Trekker running for comparison. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
Just as a note about the Map application, in case this was not mentioned, but there is a setting for having the entire route listed on the screen. Instead of having to hit the forward button, this will break the route down into the number of steps and list them consecutively. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:28 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > I was able to route from where I am to where I wanted to go and got > directions for it. Jus not like I would with trekker, it's not set > for that yet. Maybe some day but know big deal for me. I just need > to know how to get someplace so the map feature that's already on > the IPhone works for me. > > May and Wynter with a y > - Original Message - > From: Chris Blouch > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: navigon lite > > Yup. Apparently the 'lite' version is little more than a demo in > that it doesn't let you route from where you are to some point. It > has a 'simulation' button which will go from someplace near by to > the point you picked, but that's not really useful. > > CB > > May and Wynter wrote: >> Hey Rustle there is a version called navigon lite that works with >> the IPhone for North America. >> >> I tried it out for a little while to see what if offered. For our >> North American version there's no gps coverage yet. So if you >> wanted to use it for routes while you're actually walking and >> outside it won't work. But if you wanted to plan a trip and get >> directions before you left it does that very well. Hope tha made >> sense. >> >> May and Wynter with a y >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: navigon lite
Oh yes, I didn't mention that part. That is good to have. I've used it a few times. May and Wynter with a y - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: navigon lite > > Just as a note about the Map application, in case this was not > mentioned, but there is a setting for having the entire route listed > on the screen. Instead of having to hit the forward button, this will > break the route down into the number of steps and list them > consecutively. > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Managing Director > Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. > 9 Nolan Court > Hauppauge, NY 11788 > Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 > Email, t...@optonline.net > Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com > > AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, > PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, > DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:28 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > >> I was able to route from where I am to where I wanted to go and got >> directions for it. Jus not like I would with trekker, it's not set >> for that yet. Maybe some day but know big deal for me. I just need >> to know how to get someplace so the map feature that's already on >> the IPhone works for me. >> >> May and Wynter with a y >> - Original Message - >> From: Chris Blouch >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: navigon lite >> >> Yup. Apparently the 'lite' version is little more than a demo in >> that it doesn't let you route from where you are to some point. It >> has a 'simulation' button which will go from someplace near by to >> the point you picked, but that's not really useful. >> >> CB >> >> May and Wynter wrote: >>> Hey Rustle there is a version called navigon lite that works with >>> the IPhone for North America. >>> >>> I tried it out for a little while to see what if offered. For our >>> North American version there's no gps coverage yet. So if you >>> wanted to use it for routes while you're actually walking and >>> outside it won't work. But if you wanted to plan a trip and get >>> directions before you left it does that very well. Hope tha made >>> sense. >>> >>> May and Wynter with a y >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I honestly think it would just be best to learn it as is and forgo the overlay idea. I'd have to guess that the engineers at Apple gave this some thought, but did not find this a simple solution either. I understand your goal and I'm just saying that maybe in this case, just learning it is the only way; does that make sense? On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > I've been trying to get my head around an idea of creating a screen > cover with markings or even Braille on it for the keyboard. The > problem though for starters is that the keyboard changes and is > contextual. In some text fields, where you're entering email > addresses for example, the keyboard adds the period, @ sign and even > a .com button. In other cases those symbols are not present on the > main keyboard and you need to hit the more button to access these > functions. Therefore, I think creating an overlay would be > challenging but its something I've thought of. > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J > keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some > people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody > can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each > key. > > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
There definitely is a place for adaptive vendors but like everyone else in this world, our places change with the times. It's happened to all of us in one way or another.. Those who can't recognize this often get made irrelivent by clinging to ideas that are well beyond their best before dates. On 13-Jul-09, at 6:31 PM, gene wrote: > > Hi yeah and I'll bet that mozen will probably get away with all the > critisism he gives to apple products. What I think these highway > rovery > people should do, is instead of trying to shove a compettiter into the > ground, in this case, is figure out what kind of software can they > build for > the iphone that maybe someone hasn't either thought of yet or to > replace > something that isn't accessible yet. Of course it may be only a > matter of > time before what ever main stream app they might attempt to replace > might > become accessible one day. and then there'de they be again. I > don't know I > just think that these adaptive venders just need to rearange there > stratigy. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Syncing Mac Address Book with Google Contacts question
HI, Missleading. I had the same issues and the instructions were misleading. Apple staff are posting me a work around and I will post it here if I figure it out. Regards, alex, On 12-Jul-09, at 7:20 PM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > > I am attempting to SYNC my mac with my Google COntacts address book. > THis solution is documented in the help file for the Mac address book > as well as the help file located on google. I have performed the > following steps per the doc. > 1) Opened the address book on the Mac, accessed preferences, checked > the box that states "sync with google", entered mhy Google account and > password when prompted. > Note the doc states that if the account and password are correct the > dialog prompting for them will close. > 2) Opened up ISync accessed preferences and checked the option "show > sync in status menu" per the doc. > 3) Under address book I am attempting to accesss the status menu per > the doc which states "access the sync now option under the status > menu. My questions are these. 1) What is the procedure under VO to > access the status menu? 2) I find a sync menu however the only option > is to enable Sync via Mobil Me. > Has anyone had experience with setting up this solution via VoiceOver? > -Kevin > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: slide shows
Hi, A slide Show of picture is iPhoto. Keynote is for more complex things. Open Office.or Presenter is free though and may work. Regards, Alex, On 12-Jul-09, at 6:51 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello; I believe i asked this a while back. But since then a new > version of ilife has come out. Can anyone suggest a simple program > for creating a slide show on my mac? Is the newer version of iphoto > accessible enough that I could do it that way? As most people a cheap > or free solution would be preferred. Thanks in advance, Max > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I personally don't take much stock in what Mosen says anymore. Before he went to FS he was a very fair and respected journalist. I think he probably is a great guy personally. However, since he works for FS, he will have a bias and an agenda which will be to promote there products and convince people that others aren't good. I do hope however that on his own time or when he leaves FS that he will retake a look at these products by Apple and others and give a fair assessment. It's kind of ashame as I listened to him on mainmenu for years and really do respect his ideas. Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I don't have an iphone yet but from what I've read, it's less tedious to serf the web with the iphone than with mobile speak, sense you can move by headings and sutch. Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fusion accessibility?
Yes, fusion works great, I use it here to run windows xp, it's very accessible. On Jul 12, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: > > Hi all, > > After some playing around with a Mac Pro at work last year I'm about > to > buy a MacBook Pro for personal use -- if the model I want is ever in > stock! > > I plan to use VMware Fusion as I have an ongoing need to play with > both > Windows and Linux in VMs. I've used VMware Workstation on Windows for > years so am very familiar with the product in general. > > I've seen some references to people using Fusion here -- is it > generally > accessible with VO, meaning good enough to be using it daily for key > tasks? I do have a long-term aspiration to move some of my > activities out > of the VMs and onto OS X but in the meantime I need the VM product > to be > solid. > > Any input gratefully received, > Garry > > > -- > Garry Turkington > garry.turking...@gmail.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
HI, THis is my opinion as well. I have seen the product for an hour and my initial thoughts are this is to cumbersome to type on etc. and to utilise but i ahven't actaully bought the product and took it home On 13 Jul 2009, at 22:58, Marie Howarth wrote: > yeah, I whole heartedly agree. I'm a little tired of the impatience > by some. The technology works, if it didn't, everyone would be > complaining. it takes time and you didn't know every hidden feature > of a mac/PC or a screen reader within a few days or weeks, did you? > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >> inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first >> time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for >> human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems >> just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. >> Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick >> method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a >> brand-new and unfamiliar screen. >> >> Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, >> inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever >> growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it >> takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
of the developers of the > software, I'm merely answering your question with my opinion. > Again , hey what works for you is all that matters in the end and > you are happy with your choice because you are the one using it, not > me. :) > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote: > > > > OK, consider me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows > mobile smart phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing > mobile geo. I keep hearing everybody going absolutely crazy over > access to the I-phone. Can somebody tell me why this is so great? I > don’t really understand the hype. I do understand we get access > right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you > get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that > this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. > But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to > mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making > everybody turn inside out? I’d love to understand this, so any help > you can provide would be great. I have AT&T and probably could > switch if I wanted to, but I just don’t understand why this phone is > the second coming. > > -- > Damon Fibraio > screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: > dfibraio > Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio > personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. > Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, > http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who > first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some > of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same > logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days > of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line > and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this > to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can > already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile > device I am using currently and don't much care for. > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so > inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first > time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for > human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems > just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. > Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick > method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a > brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, > inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever > growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it > takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4239 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4240 (20090713) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > &
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