Re: [Freedos-user] Com1: corruption from PS2 mouse
On 11/20/2014 9:49 PM, Dinosaur wrote: > An IRQ clash is possible if Cutemouse uses IRQ4 from Com1. > IRQ4 is the default for COM1 (and COM3) ever since the IBM PC, likewise IRQ3 is assigned by default to COM2 and COM4. This is a BIOS/"Industry standard" ever this the original IBM PC, nothing special in regards to CuteMouse... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
On 11/23/2014 12:16 PM, Dennis Holierhoek wrote: But can it also run 8-bit programs? And 4-bit? Seriously? :-\ Or are you just trolling? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
On 11/23/2014 10:49 PM, Dennis Holierhoek wrote: > > I am not trolling, just wondering > Well, start with learning what DOS (as in MS-/PC-/DR-/FreeDOS) is in the first place... Why would you even expect it to run 8bit "programs"? Where do those are supposed to come from? And where do you get "4bit" programs from? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
On 11/24/2014 1:26 AM, TJ Edmister wrote: > On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:16:19 -0500, Dennis Holierhoek > wrote: > >> But can it also run 8-bit programs? And 4-bit? >> > In theory, you could run 8-bit object code if you had an NEC V20 or V30 > CPU which is 8086 compatible while also featuring an 8080 emulation mode. > NEC also made a special version of their V50 CPU just for the PC-88VA > which can execute Z80 code as well. > But in neither case, you are going to be running FreeDOS (or any DOS) in those modes... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
On 11/24/2014 11:08 AM, Carl Spitzer wrote: > Isn't the Z80 what the Space Shuttle and space Telescope used until > the last decade. I seem to remember my old RS-4P was a Z80 chip. CWSIV Nope, the Space Shuttle's main computer was from IBM, based on a radiation-hardened version of a 32bit System/360 type CPU (just Google "APA-101S") And if you refer with "space telescope" to Hubble, that uses special radiation hardened version of the Intel 80486... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
On 11/24/2014 5:13 PM, David Kerber wrote: > On 11/24/2014 7:57 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 11/24/2014 11:08 AM, Carl Spitzer wrote: >>> Isn't the Z80 what the Space Shuttle and space Telescope used until >>> the last decade. I seem to remember my old RS-4P was a Z80 chip. CWSIV >> Nope, the Space Shuttle's main computer was from IBM, based on a >> radiation-hardened version of a 32bit System/360 type CPU (just Google >> "APA-101S") > I had thought the space shuttle ran on a hardened version of a 386? > The in later years used "glass cockpit" panels were 80386 based, but not the actual main computer(s) (there are 5 of them for redundancy). The original APA-101B even used wired "core" memory (a whole 1MB of it) while the later upgraded APA-101S used radiation hardened silicon based memory JFGI... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
On 11/25/2014 4:20 AM, Alain Mouette wrote: > Em 24-11-2014 22:38, Ralf Quint escreveu: >> In theory, you could run 8-bit object code if you had an NEC V20 or V30 >> CPU which is 8086 compatible while also featuring an 8080 emulation mode. >> NEC also made a special version of their V50 CPU just for the PC-88VA >> which can execute Z80 code as well. >> >> But in neither case, you are going to be running FreeDOS (or any DOS) in >> those modes... > I remeber that there is a very good CP/M simulator for DOS, I used it a > lot when migranting from CP/M to PC-DOS... > that would allow to run very old 8 bit programs... > And I am sure, that CP/M emulator (I guess you refer to either 22NICE or MYZ80) qualifies as a 16 bit program... ;-) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 11/29/2014 6:18 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > I'm getting error "overloaded or off line" at your link. > The link I tried was for registered users only. > The sound drivers all downloaded without any problem but > the main link to the program doesn't work here for some reason. > > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:04:49 -0500 dmccunney > writes: >> If you mean getting it from >> http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/download.htm, that's working here. Works here fine without any issues as well, both the program and the sound drivers... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 11/30/2014 2:00 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > I got it to download finally. It seems that it doesn't like Opera. > I tried IE and it worked. I wonder why it hates Opera. > Opera always worked before. > Just tried it with Opera 26 and it worked just fine as well... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/2/2014 6:33 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember > Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. > Excuse me? FAT16 is limited to 2 (two) Gigabyte with the 'standard" maximum cluster size of 32KB. With the 64GB cluster size supported by Windows NT 4.0, you could have 4GB for a FAT16 partition, but that is absolutely end of the line. There never was (or can be) an OS that creates 8GB FAT16 partitions. And I am pretty sure that Wikipedia doesn't say anything to the contrary either... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/2/2014 4:57 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Serial devices are always slow; I don't know how they get around it. > SD cards are serial like SATA and they really are slow. The hard drive > clock must be super fast to get those speeds. They also have to transfer > handshakes serially. I wonder how its done. Some really great > engineering there. > "Serial" in SATA has nothing to do with the serial you seem to refer as in RS-232 serial connections. The higher transfer speed is accomplished by running on extreme high clock cycles for the data signals together with a both a better shielding of the transmitting conductors (2 pairs of them, each transmitting wire separated by one of the 3 ground wires) and limiting the maximum cable length. That's the reason why all SATA connections are direct connections between motherboard and host device, not those ultra long 40 conductors(80 wires) PATA cables. While the initial SATA standard allowed for cables of up to 40in (100cm), you might have noticed (or not) that most SATA cables in a standard PC theses days is no more than 20in/50cm in length... And SD cards are in no way "SATA" and the reason why they are (relatively) slow has less to do with the way how data is transferred to/from them but with the way how the Flash RAM that those cards consists of is being "programmed" when written to. That's also why you have a far greater read than write speed on SD cards... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview 2.60 (digressions)
On 12/2/2014 10:30 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > It was reported recently that SourceForge has changed the way they > allow subscriptions to their email lists. So one guy with an old setup > suddenly couldn't subscribe because his (old Opera) web browser > couldn't validate certificates (or something weird like that). And > then I went way down the rabbit hole trying to help him find a "lite" > Linux liveCD for his old Athlon computer, but it doesn't sound like > there's a perfect answer since even Firefox requires SSE2 these days. There will be much more people complaining that they won't be able to connect to a lot of web sites anymore once more web sites/servers have finally abandoned SSL3.0, as a lot of older browsers simply can't handle the newer cyphers required for an https connection... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 5:23 AM, Dave Kerber wrote: > That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. > To a certain extent it is. SD has a slower interface than CF does. > That's why all high-end cameras use CF rather than SD cards. > Really? All my clients that use "high-end cameras" (this is Hollywood just over the hills from me) are using SDHC or SDXC these days. CF has only a real advantage that it is "royalty free" and are in a lot of cases, easier to handle than SD cards where there is an unfortunate trend to the miniSD and microSD formats, which are a pain in the posterior for anyone but a 4 year old toddler to handle because of their size (or rather, the lack thereof). CFs are making a bit of a comeback though in embedded environments, as they come in some more rugged casings and that the latest interface specs is based on PCIexpress, which has become a staple in embedded computing... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 8:36 AM, dmccunney wrote: > a plugin." The HTML5 keyword *does* require a codec to decode > and stream the content, but the codec will be delivered with the > browser and be part of the browser environment. You don't need a > third-party program called from the browser. And this is exactly the biggest drawback of this concept, as it allows for an easy ingress route for malicious software to run on the host. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 12:58 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 12/2/2014 6:33 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: >>> FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember >>> Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. >>> >> Excuse me? >> FAT16 is limited to 2 (two) Gigabyte with the 'standard" maximum cluster >> size of 32KB. > IIRC, the 32K maximum cluster size was a limitation in the format utility. Nope. You can't access a 64K cluster size FAT16 partition with DOS (or any other FAT16 aware OS other than Windows NT4.0 and Windows 2000) either... > >> With the 64GB cluster size supported by Windows NT 4.0, >> you could have 4GB for a FAT16 partition, but that is absolutely end of >> the line. > And MS had already implemented FAT32 to get around the 2GB volume size > limit, as hard drives increased in size and using FAT16 meant multiple > partitions, each with a different drive letter. > > While you might be *able* to create a 4GB FAT16 volume using Windows > NT 4, I can't imagine why you would *want* to. NT4.0 was released before FAT32 was officially released (with Windows 95B). And it is quite useful for any work that reads/writes large chunks of data at once, like video stuff for example. Or SQL server. It is certainly not recommended for a default OS partition, but for specialized cases, it outperforms "any" other filesystem, in both read and write speed... As the majority of use cases, with the rapid growth of hard disks, doesn't have any such advantage, NTFS became the FS of choice for anything from Windows 2000 on, only Windows 98 and the bad excuse of an OS named Windows ME still had to use FAT32 to allow access to larger drives/partitions. > >> There never was (or can be) an OS that creates 8GB FAT16 >> partitions. And I am pretty sure that Wikipedia doesn't say anything to >> the contrary either... > It does not. > Dale seem to think so, maybe he has an older edition... ;-) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 1:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 12/3/2014 8:36 AM, dmccunney wrote: >>> a plugin." The HTML5 keyword *does* require a codec to decode >>> and stream the content, but the codec will be delivered with the >>> browser and be part of the browser environment. You don't need a >>> third-party program called from the browser. >> And this is exactly the biggest drawback of this concept, as it allows >> for an easy ingress route for malicious software to run on the host. > I'm missing something. How does that follow? > "...but the codec will be delivered with the browser..." --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 1:04 PM, Dave Kerber wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Ralf Quint [mailto:freedos...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:41 PM >> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60 >> >> On 12/3/2014 5:23 AM, Dave Kerber wrote: >>> That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. >>> To a certain extent it is. SD has a slower interface than CF does. >>> That's why all high-end cameras use CF rather than SD cards. >>> >> Really? All my clients that use "high-end cameras" (this is Hollywood >> just over the hills from me) are using SDHC or SDXC these days. > I'm talking about still cameras (DSLR), not video. Me too. I have an entertainment news agency as a client here in Hollywood and all their "paparazzi" are using SD cards when transferring data from their cameras to the office picture database. Those are easy obtainable and they can carry a lot of spares just in case some little Canadian snot-face is making "news" in town. Or some "homeless" train-wreck former child-"star"... > I know nothing about > video cameras, except that their recording speed requirements are > noticeably lower than high-end still cameras. Low-end video cameras (in terms of TV/movie recording) are using CF cards for their speed, but a lot of the latest high-end stuff, if they do not still record on film, is using hot-pluggable SATA SSDs for digital recording these days... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS
On 12/14/2014 4:26 AM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering whether one of the reasons why old computers > fail is that the BIOS gets corrupted over time because it is > stored in rewritable media. > BIOS is for quite a wile in a FlashROM type of memory, which is only re-writeable in a special write mode, which is only done very rarely, when in fact you are "flashing" the BIOS. And it is very unlikely that this will get corrupted easily. You might confuse this withe the CMOS RAM, which is used by the BIOS to hold (and easier change/write to) user changable values. But even then, this isn't likely to get corrupt, unless you have some rogue programs that are accessing it constantly. If you have external peripherals fail as you mentioned, it is rather due to possibly bad settings (the least likely but not impossible option) or IMHO more likely, to connectors or peripheral circuitry going bad... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)
On 12/16/2014 2:50 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney wrote: > Hardware is steadily smaller, faster, and cheaper. Have fun finding a > new x86 machine these days that *isn't* 64 bit. ARM is still largely > 32 bit, but that's changing too, and we're likely to see 64 bit ARM in > server installations for power savings. > There are still new 32-bit x86 parts being manufactured, notably by > Intel for IoT in their Intel Edison/Quark/Galileo platform(s) > [0][1][2] and DM&P's 86duino platform [3]. The 86duino even boots > FreeDOS. > Even if all Intel based PCs are equipped with 64bit capable CPUs, they will just as happy run 32bit or even 16bit code just fine. And there are as mentioned above now with the Intel Quark X1000 processor again 32bit, single core/thread CPUs coming out for which a 16bit FreeDOS can be a very viable option for an OS to run on... DOS is not dead but people need to treat DOS as DOS, not as a second coming of Linux... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)
On 12/16/2014 3:56 PM, dmccunney wrote: > I was talking about what you see if you go to purchase a > desktop/laptop/netbook/what have you. IoT kit is not stuff end users > will run to access the Internet and browse websites. Then why would you use DOS for those kind of tasks? It's the same thing. Time and technology have moved on, DOS was devised at a time well before the beginnings of the Internet. Trying to shoehorn any of such tasks into/onto DOS is just a world of hurt. Use DOS for what it is best and still useful, run on limited hardware or setups that need more direct access to hardware, like embedded devices. If you want to use the Internet and you have a recent machine, use Windows or Linux, that what they are good at. Use the best tool for the task... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)
On 12/16/2014 4:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: >> Even if all Intel based PCs are equipped with 64bit capable CPUs, they >> will just as happy run 32bit or even 16bit code just fine. > Assuming OS support is there. The instruction set is the same. > Various system calls may not be. If you want to run DOS apps on a 64 > bit Windows machine, you need a VM or emulator. They won't run > "native". Considering that this is a FreeDOS mailing list, you can run FreeDOS natively on any such machine. The only immediate hurdle on machines less than a year or so old is if they have a UEFI ony BIOS, but even then, you can work around that. >> And there are as mentioned above now with the Intel Quark X1000 >> processor again 32bit, single core/thread CPUs coming out for which a >> 16bit FreeDOS can be a very viable option for an OS to run on... >> >> DOS is not dead but people need to treat DOS as DOS, not as a second >> coming of Linux... > The fundamental issue for DOS is exactly what you *do* with it, and > *why* you might use DOS in preference to something else like Linux. > The fact that something *can* run DOS doesn't necessarily mean it > *should*. > Works the other way around as well. Just because you can get basic web browsing features or other uses of the Internet on (Free)DOS, doesn't mean you should either... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS repo inaccessible
On 1/16/2015 11:02 AM, Don Flowers wrote: > Well, I cleared my history, deleted cookies and have the same result. > Oddly, In FreeDOS, FDNPKG works and I just tried DilloDOS and I have > access, so it must be a FireFox issue? Negative. Works here just fine,using Firefox 35.0 on Windows 8.1/64... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS repo inaccessible
On 1/16/2015 5:36 PM, Don Flowers wrote: > Could this be a linux issue? I installed a couple of different > browsers (Chrome and Qupzilla on two different machines and I have the > same result > Not per se. Just for the record, I tried Opera 26 and the latest Chrome on my Windows 8.1 laptop as well, also just working fine, just could not get arsed to try Internet Exploder. Would have to test on Linux on Saturday, but doubtful that this is something outside of your system... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dosbox
On 1/30/2015 7:43 AM, dmccunney wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Rinaldo Guelpa > wrote: >> Hello Friends, >> I wish to use the dosbox in an 2.5 gig computer to run some text based >> programs I am not into games. > Which programs? > >> Can someone help me please help. I wish to use the windows screanreader if >> possible. > You may want to look at vDOS instead. vDOS is a fork of DOSBox, > specifically intended to run character mode DOS business apps on > Windows. See https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdos/ +1 vDOS is a much better choice than DOSBox if you do not intend to run games. Even parallel and serial port might work, which usually is a no-go in DOSBox > > I have no idea whether it works with Windows screenreader, but it seems > likely. > Same here, still have my vision and the last time I dealt with a screenreader for a client, that was still in DOS (and more recently, someone using text mode only Linux) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to run Fractint in FreeDOS in VirtualBox?
On 2/2/2015 5:18 AM, Knute Myhrvold wrote: I want to run Fractint, an old DOS fractal image generater. I used to run it on Win95, 98, and NT, and it will run on some WinXPmachines, but not mine. So I have installed VirtualBox and finally successfully installed FreeDOS as a Guest in it... in the Settings I put FRACTINT.EXE and all its accompanying files into a "Shared Folder" for FreeDOS. But I still can't run Fractint. *(The Shared Folders are *C:\DOS\fractint\FRACTINT.EXE *) The bottom of the running FreeDOS window shows *C:\>_ * By typing "dir" I see that FreeDOS DOES show Fractint! By typing "dir fractint" I see that FreeDOS lists the scores of files in the Fractint Folder, including "FRACTINT.EXE". But that's as far as I have gotten... HOW do I get FreeDOS to RUN Fractint? How is it done? Just like you run ANY DOS program! Simply by typing FRACTINT at the command line given that a) you are in the factint folder on your virtual disk or b) that folder that contains FRACTINT.EXE is in your PATH In general, it seems you should learn the very basics of how DOS works, I guess any of the many DOS tutorials that are out there will do just fine. Beside that, it might still be possible that while that factint program will "run", it might not produce the output you expect, as it might require a graphics mode/driver that, at least by default, may or may not work in VirtualBox... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Bulk] Re: How to run Fractint in FreeDOS in VirtualBox?
On 2/2/2015 9:37 AM, Knute Myhrvold wrote: Ralf, I did: type FRACTINT at the command line... have tried that several times. Well, good old Albert Einstein is attributed to shave said "It is insanity to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results" Was I in the proper Folder? I thought so... after typing "dir fractint" FreeDOS did display the many files there, including "FRACTINT.EXE". I then typed FRACTINT and again it didn't run. Well, if you do a "dir fractint" then you are only listing the contents of that folder, looking at it, nothing more... And I have been studying DOS, esp. looking for commands that would run/open/execute Fractint. So far, nothing has worked. Well, looks like one of those tutorials that I mentioned would indeed a good idea. Because you seem to have missed out on some very basic concepts of DOS (or other non-GUI OS). Rather than anything else, could you please just say exactly what you would type as a command in VB FreeDOS to get Fractint to run? To make it clear, this is nothing VirtualBox or FreeDOS specific, it is rather "DOS 101", at the most basic level... You need to understand the concept of folders and the concept of a "path" to a file or folder. That includes, as I already tried to elude to, the PATH variable and directive. Your problem is that you are in a folder one level above the fractint folder and the fractint folder is not included in your PATH environment variable (which tells DOS where to find executables). To remedy this, you can either include that path to the factint.exe executable to your PATH variable or you can change into the right folder by executing the CD (or CHDIR) command, a very basic internal DOS command around since DOS 2.0. Then almost magically, you will be able to execute your fractint.exe file... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Bulk] Re: How to run Fractint in FreeDOS in VirtualBox?
On 2/2/2015 4:47 PM, Knute Myhrvold wrote: > Dennis, > Thank you kindly. > Actually, I have to admit that I have already installed that > FreeDOS-Fractint.ova into my VBox. When I type the command "dir" into it it > shows FRACTINT along with the other normal FreeDOS files. But I still can't > get it to RUN Fractint. Supposedly if I just type FRACTINT and then Enter, > that should do it (right?)... but it doesn't. > It's crazy, or maybe I am. But I'm not giving up; will write to David > Riccio to seek tips. > I gave you already the answer as to why it doesn't work. You are missing out at a very basic part of absolute basic DOS usage. The purpose and function of a PATH in DOS... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to run Fractint in FreeDOS in VirtualBox?
On 2/2/2015 5:00 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: It sounds like you are trying to do it right. You must include the path on your command. Is it possible that you are missing a file - like a license file in you directory. It may be free now but was probably once shareware that died after a period if unpurchased. Most of the time they give away the dos license free now. No, in his previous post(s) he stated that when he types "dir fractint" it shows the contents of the folder, that means he is executing that commend from a level above. And just typing "fractint[.exe]" does not find it, which clearly indicates that that "fractint" folder is not in his path. So the presence of a license file (or the lack thereof) doesn't have any bearing on what he is trying to do until he properly tells (Free)DOS what exactly he's trying to execute. So as I already told him, he needs to add the full path to that .exe file to the PATH variable or simpler, to get him going, _*c*__h_ange into the fractint **_*d*__ir_ectory (hence my hint to the _*C*H*D*IR_ command, "folder" is properly called a "directory" in DOS) and then try to type and execute fractint.exe. And if that program then is actually doing what he expects (in a VM) is a complete different story... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to run Fractint in FreeDOS in VirtualBox?
On 2/3/2015 11:51 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > What is VM short for.? > Virtual Machine. A very common abbreviation these days... ;-) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS program/beginner's problems
On 2/9/2015 7:57 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> thanks for help,
>
> Eric Auer wrote:
>> Hi Franta,
>>
>>> struct dosemu_detect {
>>> char magic[8];
>>> unsigned char ver[4];
>>> };
>>> static struct dosemu_detect far *p = (void far*) 0xF000FFE0;
>> Note that the way how you create far pointers can differ
>> between compilers. In particular, with any 32 bit memory
>> model, things would look quite differently. Just saying.
> Pointers and things around them are for me still a little
> incomprehensible ;)
If you want to program in C, then there is no way around it. For almost
everything, and in particular when working with strings, you need to
know what you are doing, as the C compiler is doing exactly what you are
telling it to do, which in turn might not be what you want it to do...;-)
>
>>> char magicexp[]="$DOSEMU$"; // expected string when on
>>> DOSEMU
>>>
>>> if (strcmp(p->magic, magicexp)) // p->magic == "$DOSEMU$" ?
>> You cannot strcmp this because the string is no C style
>> string with a NUL character at the end. You could use
>> strncmp(string1, string2, 8) to compare only the first
>> eight bytes, which will probably work fine for you :-)
> But 'magicexp' is null-terminated string, yes?
No.
> Then comparison
> should stop at its length (or before, when p->magic is different
> or has null-byte before strlen(magicexp) ), I suppose that.
> And I tried to use some as
>strncmp(p->magic, magicexp, strlen(magicexp))
> too and it also was not working.
That's not working because strlen() expects (like all C string
functions) a NULL-terminated string. That's why Eric put a fixed 8 for
the length to compare in his example...
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS program/beginner's problems
On 2/10/2015 3:38 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 2/9/2015 7:57 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: >>> >>> Pointers and things around them are for me still a little >>> incomprehensible ;) >> If you want to program in C, then there is no way around it. For almost >> everything, and in particular when working with strings, you need to >> know what you are doing, as the C compiler is doing exactly what you are >> telling it to do, which in turn might not be what you want it to do...;-) > I want intelligent IDE with voice input... ;) That doesn't solve the problems with the peculiarities of certain programming languages...;-) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS program/beginner's problems
On 2/10/2015 4:04 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi Franta, > >> I got the impression that string declared as >> >> char mystring[]="$DOSEMU$"; >> >> is in memory stored as null-terminated string. > This does not help you: The OTHER string STARTS > with "$DOSEMU$", but is NOT null terminated, so > both strings still differ. Unless you explicitly > say you only want to compare the first 8 bytes. > In short, you still have to use strncmp() here. > Sorry, that what was I meant in my previous reply, bad wording on my part. The recommendation still stands, as you are comparing a fixed length "array of characters", just use that fixed length in the call to strncmp(), just as Eric mentioned... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS program/beginner's problems
On 2/10/2015 5:34 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >> I perform Dosemu detection according to instruction and example in this >> old FreeDOS maillist thread: >> http://marc.info/?l=freedos-dev&m=88425176918117&w=2 > I know you sent similar e-mail about mixed environments in the past. > Normally you wouldn't want to split hairs unless forced. In other > words, pretending that all things are created equal is the best path > unless hit by some kind of bug or (lack of) feature. In particular, > there are too many environments (and tools and setups) to test. > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.msdos.djgpp/ZIAGTLppAJg/iCVeqAti0qYJ > >> (and curiously, in referenced thread deprecated method Int 0xE6 AH=0 >> still /after ~17 years/ is supported and seems be working well) > IIRC, only AX=0 [sic] worked for me. > > But again, DOSEMU isn't widely deployed, so lots of people don't use > it. It still works fairly well, just not popular. I'm not sure if that > will ever improve. I don't want to discourage you, but I'm not sure > what you want to get working there. Why not? If people would always think this way, nothing would get done. There's more to programming in (Free)DOS than recompiling bloated Linux programs... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS program/beginner's problems
On 2/13/2015 1:42 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi again, > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 2/10/2015 5:34 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >>> But again, DOSEMU isn't widely deployed, so lots of people don't use >>> it. It still works fairly well, just not popular. I'm not sure if that >>> will ever improve. I don't want to discourage you, but I'm not sure >>> what you want to get working there. >> Why not? If people would always think this way, nothing would get done. >> There's more to programming in (Free)DOS than recompiling bloated Linux >> programs... > Ralf, have you used DOSEMU lately? No. Don't have a need to. > It's not exactly popular in Linux > distros. Some of them even hide or reject it because they hate > OpenWatcom. Not to mention various bugs (that are tedious to avoid) > due to things like SELinux. I'm just saying, it's harder than it needs > to be just to find and use it. > That all doesn't matter if someone wants to write an application that detects on what kind of VM it is running, in order to circumvent some of those problems. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi Folks, > Since USB function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. > This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett. Instead, > someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am > sharing. > > > http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html > > If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences? > Well, to quote the site: "Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist letters. Explore at your own risk. " Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
On 2/14/2015 5:01 PM, Christopher Evans wrote: > Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver > for NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel. > Did you see my previous reply? Apparently not... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos editor very long files ignore eol character
On 2/17/2015 9:38 AM, John R. Sowden wrote: > I am looking for the above. > > any thoughts? > Well, not sure what exactly you mean by "ignore eol character", but the SEE editor that is part of the DeSmet C can handle very large files in plain DOS (mainly limited by the drive space, as it handles moving through the file by using "spill" files). Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] new uide version? details?
On 3/17/2015 1:42 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > but due to some Sourceforge / Opera incompatibility, Jack can not > announce it here himself? Its not an "incompatibility" but it seems some people are just missing the boat and don't know that in recent weeks a lot of old, no longer safe cipher suites have been disabled by responsible web admins. If someone insists on using that far outdated software, too bad... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
On 3/30/2015 12:23 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. Because there is no such thing. Anyone claiming to run *MS*-DOS 7.1 is using a hacked version of Windows 9x. (<- that's a period) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
On 3/31/2015 6:15 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > I installed the dos 7.1 on a 4gig cf chip. It come with a gnu licence but > belongs to microsoft - strange. It looks alot like freedos ; but I think > FREEDOS > is better - more to it. It uses cutemouse and a bunch of Linux stuff not > native to microsoft. It seems to be a legal hybrid of sorts. I think > this dos 7.1 is a legal copy, Maybe from microsoft itself. > Dream on... There isn't even an official MS-DOS 7.1, and most certainly not anything under a "gnu" license. You just have been taken for a ride... And in general, as mentioned a lot of times here already, there is no legal base for anything that is labeled "abandoned ware" or the like. If it has a copyright, you are bound to the license terms of that software and for all Microsoft software, that means you are not allowed to copy and distribute it. That's the reason why Jim brought FreeDOS to live in the first place... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
On 5/19/2015 1:00 PM, Dario Roncone wrote: > Tom F*** Y**! > You seriously need to adjust your attitude pal, there is no place for this in here...=-O Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On 5/20/2015 12:22 PM, Dario Roncone wrote: > Sorry! too Old hardware. > ? Care to explain WHY? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On 5/20/2015 12:46 PM, Dario Roncone wrote: > Yes Software diden´t work! > That's not an explanation. And it's DOS for crying out loud. There can't be any hardware too old to run a DOS program on... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On 5/20/2015 12:59 PM, Dario Roncone wrote: > Great Stuff! GNU OpenSource > You really need to work on the way you are trying to express yourself. I don't understand one bi of your comments in regards to the Infocom game engine... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On 5/20/2015 1:10 PM, Dario Roncone wrote: > Fuck youself... > Sorry, don't play your games. But might have a try with the Infocom stuff... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On 5/20/2015 1:08 PM, Dario Roncone wrote: > Yes i know it... 8080 Intel 2x86 3x86 Dx/Sx intel MMX amdSSE SSE2. > Doesn't look like it... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On 5/21/2015 1:04 AM, David Griffith wrote: > I guess my next step is to bring one of my older machines home, clean > it up, install FreeDOS, and get to work with Turbo C++'s debugger. Can > anyone offer any explanation why a program would run fine in DOSbox > and crash on real hardware? DOSBox is actually pretty bad in terms of DOS emulation and hardware, unless it comes to sound or video cards. It simply by catch this bug with an exception instead of crashing... And I agree with Mateusz that just using a DJGPP version doesn't make any sense, it might just do the same thing, rather catch the error and proceed rather than crap out. Is there a way to save the game progress, so someone else could try it on different hardware? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On 5/21/2015 8:00 PM, David Griffith wrote: > What do you mean by saving the game progress? All Z-machine > implemenations allow you to save your progress. The steps/answers/instructions in the game to get to the point where it crashes... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenWatcom unavailable!?!?!?!
Tried for the last 2 days now and can't neither reach the www.openwatcom.org web site nor the nntp server at news.openwatcom.org... Does anyone know what is going on with that site? I just hope that this not the result of the spat with Jiri's Open-Watcom 2.0 fork... :-\ Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenWatcom unavailable!?!?!?!
On 5/23/2015 4:09 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> Tried for the last 2 days now and can't neither reach the >> www.openwatcom.org web site nor the nntp server at news.openwatcom.org... >> >> Does anyone know what is going on with that site? > Seems to have been down for a while. The last successful Internet > Archive crawl was March 17th: > https://web.archive.org/web/20150317091931/http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Main_Page > > The newsgroups at news.openwatcom.org can't be reached either. Well, I actually retrieved headers on Thursday around noon, but got distracted by work (don't you hate when that happens) and when I got back half an hour or so later, the nntp server was no longer accessible. That's when I tried to check the web site and noticed that that one doesn't respond either... > I just hope that this not the result of the spat with Jiri's Open-Watcom > 2.0 fork... :-\ > There's an OpenWatcom fork on SourceForge > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/openwatcom/) with a corresponding > Github page (http://open-watcom.github.io/open-watcom/). > > I don't know if that's the Jiri fork you mention. > Yes, that's the fork, just note that the GitHub address is written "open-watcom" and not "openwatcom". The "official" OpenWatcom is using a sponsired Perforce repository hosted by SciTech (or whatever the company that took over Watcom is called these days). This is the alleged "improved" 2.0 for by Jiri Malak, though going by some of the discussions (if you can call it that) on the mailing list, the code that he has committed on github is supposedly not or only very cursory tested, hence those changes had been rejected (unless properly tested) by those people that have been working on the "official" 1.9 version. Not sure in how far this effects the DOS compiler, but that was part of what I was trying to find out the other day... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenWatcom unavailable!?!?!?!
On 5/23/2015 7:02 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> Tried for the last 2 days now and can't neither reach the >> www.openwatcom.org web site nor the nntp server at news.openwatcom.org... >> >> Does anyone know what is going on with that site? > No idea, but I thought I had successfully visited there not long ago. > It's not working now, dunno. > > But what's the problem? It's not like 1.9 disappeared. It's still > mirrored in various places (not to mention iBiblio): > > http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/openwatcom/ > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/openwatcom/1.9/ Well, the source repository, with the latest daily/weekly builds is not accessible, mind you that the 1.9 version is now a few years old... > I just hope that this not the result of the spat with Jiri's Open-Watcom > 2.0 fork... :-\ > No idea what you're referring to. I haven't kept up literally at all. > I'm not subscribed to the newsgroups. Well, too bad, after all, you all are always referring to OW as the "go to" compiler for FreeDOS... > I don't know if funding is an issue or not, but Sybase basically got > sold to SAP AG a few years ago, and their former longtime CEO now > heads up Blackberry. > > Like Dennis said, there's an OW fork available on SourceForge, which > does have 2.0-pre binaries (even for DOS), that was updated last > month. > That's the problem, going by all the discussions that have been going on, it is not clear/certain that Jiri's fork is a proper working version, at least as far as (Free)DOS as a target is concerned... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenWatcom unavailable!?!?!?!
On 5/23/2015 8:12 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 5/23/2015 7:02 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >>> Like Dennis said, there's an OW fork available on SourceForge, which >>> does have 2.0-pre binaries (even for DOS), that was updated last >>> month. >> That's the problem, going by all the discussions that have been going >> on, it is not clear/certain that Jiri's fork is a proper working >> version, at least as far as (Free)DOS as a target is concerned... > You find that out by *trying* it. The last official build on the OW > site apparently dated from 2012, and you can still get the official > builds from various mirrors. You can get the latest official release build on the mirrors, but as I mentioned, I am interested in the daily/weekly builds based on that > > The question is why Jiri forked the code, and how much he *cares* > whether it works in FreeDOS. > The changelog for his version lists a couple of things related to DOS. The big question is if OpenWatcom continues to be a viable option to be used with FreeDOS. If the official site would be down for good and Jiri's fork doesn't work right, the the pooch is pretty much screwed... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Doing #include "foo.h" in Turbo C
On 5/24/2015 5:33 PM, David Griffith wrote: > It has been a long time since I've used the Turbo C 3.0 IDE and I'm > stumped on something very basic. I'm trying to figure out how to get an > existing project into the IDE. I've already figured out how to create a > .PRJ file, but when I go to build the project, the compiler can't find any > of my header files that are included with quotes around them (as opposed > to angle brackets for system includes). I've been previously compiling > this project using a Makefile without the assistance of the IDE, but now > that I have a bug to track down, I need to use the IDE. What option am I > missing that allows the IDE to know where to get include files specified > with quotes? > Not much info to go by but in general, you need to be aware that there is (always has been) a difference if you specify the include file with #include or with #include "foo.h" The later will look first in the source file path for the include file, then in the include path as set in the IDE Options->Directories, while the former will look only in the include path and not look in the source path... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Doing #include "foo.h" in Turbo C
On 5/24/2015 9:31 PM, David Griffith wrote: > I'm well aware of the distinction between and "foo.h". My > problem is that with the Turbo C IDE, it just says that it can't find > foo.h, even though foo.h is in the same directory as main.c. If I > build using a Makefile, this isn't a problem. Well, not sure what else to tell you, works fine for me. Using Borland C++ 3.11 for decades on my plain DOS/16 bit capable Windows PCs, and likewise for the Turbo C++ 4.0 I run here on this 64bit Windows 8.1 laptop in a specialized DOSBox... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenWatcom unavailable!?!?!?!
On 5/26/2015 11:41 AM, perditi...@gmail.com wrote: > > I saw on another email, it is a known technical issue and being worked > on. No estimate on resolution but confirmation not down on purpose. > > Well, I looked around and couldn't find anything. So thanks, will see what happens... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Getting mpxplay and any CD player to work
On 6/2/2015 12:16 PM, John Hupp wrote: > Are there tips/tricks to get mpxplay to work? What about a CD player > that's known to work with FD 1.1? > > I'm using a default FD 1.1 setup and selecting the first menu item at boot. > Just to cover all the bases, and probably unrelated to the direct software problems, you need to have a cable connecting your CD drive directly to your sound card in order to play audio DVDs. That's however not necessary to play MP3 files (which are just data files)... http://superuser.com/questions/566611/sound-output-connector-on-cd-rom-drive Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Getting mpxplay and any CD player to work
On 6/2/2015 1:42 PM, John Hupp wrote: > > Hah! I did indeed forget to reconnect the cable during the various trials. > > But as you also note, it is unrelated to the software problems. I still > get nothing with the cable connected. I just thought to mention it for those case you mentioned that "nothing" happend. It would just be that you wouldn't hear anything... ;-) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenWatcom unavailable!?!?!?!
Well, seems the mystery about the openwatcom.org site is that they apparently moved the site(s) over to a server provided by Perforce, the company that has provided them with their version control system for years... Tried the site again a few minutes ago and it shows a short note about this now, also the news server has a new IP address but is still not working either. Let's see what the status is after the weekend... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Getting any CD player to work
On 6/8/2015 7:27 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > For printers its usually easy to find the control commands but > for cd units I've never seen them made available to the public. > Is there a command list published anywhere for cds. > Yes, it's called ATAPI and there exist a lot of different documents for the different classes of ATAPI devices. The only non-ATAPI CD-ROM drives that I am aware of are/were those of some early Creative soundcard/CD-ROM drive combos. Those used their own subset of ATAPI commands, hence a more standard CD-ROM driver won't work, as well had their own digital audio connector that made those CD-ROM drives only work with their bundled sound cards and vice versa... The catch with the documentation however is that this is stuff that you have to buy from t13.org, the committee that defined those standards... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Does BTTR accept new members?
On 6/12/2015 9:09 AM, Louis Santillan wrote: > It took about 3 or 5 days for Robert to get to my request a couple years back. > > I send a request to reset my email address and password about two weeks ago and haven't heard back since... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XIDE Updated; UIDE Support TERMINATED!
On 6/14/2015 9:00 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Hi Eric, > > If Jack Ellis has switched open-source UIDE to closed-source XIDE, what will > be for FreeDOS 1.2 or 2.0? > No one is forced to use XIDE, UIDE will do just fine (or so Jack says)... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking: With MS Client, "Error 5: Access has been denied"
On 6/15/2015 10:38 AM, Dave Kerber wrote: > Are you trying to connect by dns name, or by IP address? To take one > level of possible trouble out of the equation, try connecting by IP addr. > > If the ipconfig doesn't show any IP info on the host, it doesn't matter how you try to connect from that host, either way it has to fail. Your approach would only work in case "just" the DNS server info wouldn't be properly set. But the really strange thing is that he states that he doesn't even get a proper response when setting a static IP on the host, with ipconfig still claiming that it doesn't get info from a DHCP server. That indicates that there is rather something more basic amiss... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] mTCP - A better solution for moving files on the LAN
On 6/17/2015 3:32 PM, John Hupp wrote: In the thread [Networking: With MS Client, "Error 5: Access has been denied"], I was working hard trying to get the MS-DOS Network Client working with a Vista machine. It was a solution I had used in past years for moving files between the FreeDOS client and a Windows machine on the LAN. But it doesn't work with a Windows Vista or newer server. Well, due to changes in the SMB specs, this is not a DOS specific problem, it won't work between Vista&newer and any Windows version before Windows 2000 neither. Connecting to a remote host that runs up to Windows XP/Windows Server 2003 should work just fine... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS/V
On 7/7/2015 10:41 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Sorry if this is obvious -- what is "FreeDOS/V" ? cheers, Mateusz Well, as Sparky4 already mentioned, it is (supposed to be) for FreeDOS what DOS/V was for MS/PC-DOS: A double-byte aware Japanese localized version of FreeDOS... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DOS%2FV Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] I could not access archive.org using Lynx
On 7/10/2015 9:38 PM, "Jose Antonio Senna" wrote: > There was a recent message in this list containing the link to > https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary > Lynx 2.8.5 fails to access that site without any error message. > Did anyone access it using a DOS browser ? > No I haven't. And I won't. I can use at least three other OS when I really have to/want to use the Internet these days. The site is using https, requiring a browser who understands certificates, with all the associated fluff. DOS was already on "the way out" when the Internet started, it was never intended nor suited for the way it has developed in the last 25 years... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to make the R-Alt key act like L-Alt?
On 7/15/2015 5:47 PM, John Hupp wrote: > I'm just using the BIOS keyboard driver (not running KEYB) with a US > layout keyboard. > > What I'm trying to do: In Edit, for instance, R-Alt + F does not open > the File menu, and R-Alt + X does not exit the program. I want it to do > those things just as L-Alt + F and L-Alt + X do, because those L-Alt key > combinations are awkward for a touch typist. > Do you actually have a keyboard with a right [Alt] key or do you have a keyboard that has instead an [AltGr]? I suspect the later and in that case, there is nothing you can do, as that is a key that does not produce the scan code for the [Alt] key but instead is a special "'Gr'aphics" key to type certain characters which are not part of the keyboard layout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key) Beside that, the scan codes for for the two [Alt] keys are (somewhat) different, with 00h 38h for the left [Alt] key and E0h 38h for the right [Alt] key. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Fwd: Re: Unhandled exception 000E]
On 7/31/2015 6:14 PM, sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: > Hate to be a pest but you seem to have the inside track on > something interesting. I looked up PE files on wikopedia; > it seems to be a decoder file used by windows to tell it > how to use a DLL file. How do you know if a file is a PE > file. Are they all named PE.exe and does each DLL file > have its own PE file. I have autotrax and easytrax which > don't require a PE file. I am not sure what "wikopedia" is but this article on Wikipedia explains pretty good what a PE (as in "Portable Executable") file is. In short, to answer some of your questions above, there is no file called "PE.EXE" at all and no, there is not a (corresponding) "PE file" for each DLL file. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Fwd: Re: Unhandled exception 000E]
On 8/1/2015 3:49 PM, sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: > What does HXRT have to do with it. Is it a fix for programs that > refuse to run without windows near by. > I ask some our local computer experts and they've never heard > of a PE file. > You should consider editing Wikopedia; to make it easier for > low tech people to understand. > Usually when I buy DOS programs off Ebay or at a hamfest that > refuse to run without windows; I usually just trash them. > HXRT is a "DOS Extender" that allows some Windows programs to run on plain DOS. If a "local computer expert" doesn't know what a PE file is , (s)he isn't an "expert". It's the executable format ever since Windows went 32bit, so for about 20 years now... And the explanation at Wikipedia is actually pretty good, including links to more in-depth information. But in general, I think you get hung up on that topic far too much... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
On 8/17/2015 1:32 AM, jubalh wrote: > What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS? > In most cases, you do not need to "install" software on (Free)DOS. Most programs will just work if they are located within the PATH environment variable. And that seems to be the biggest (though actually simplest) hurdle for a lot of people to understand these days. They simply over complicate things... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
On 8/19/2015 4:14 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far. Opengem > couldn't integrate with other software as X Window system can. "Integrate" in which way? I don't have a DOS system running GEM handy right now, but all it takes is a short cut for it and proper DOS software will run, in text mode of course, just fine... > I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated > since 2.2_0. I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than > one file at a time, now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been > ported to DOS. Well, it's probably worse if you would have tried EMACS instead... (one joke from "back in those days" was that EMACS actually stands for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping") :-D ) > > I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size > exceeded 1.5 MB, no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with > nvi in FreeBSD and NetBSD. Well, it's DOS, which is 16bit and hence you can not access 1.5MB in one piece, so that means your software needs to be smart enough to use XMS/EMS memory to expand the usable amount of RAM, which requires that this is properly integrated in the software's memory management. And considering that vi (in which ever incarnation) is *ix software, it isn't likely take this into account. IMHO, you are comparing apples and oranges here... > > I imagine only a small minority of computer users have ever heard of OpenGem. If you imagine that the majority of computer user might have been born after the demise of (Open)GEM, this isn't surprising > > I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it > messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and > *BSD. Another case where people forcefully try to apply *ix/Linux type handling of things to (Free)DOS. IMHO, not much good can come out of this. Or at least people's expectations are far too high... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS on a 386SX
On 8/24/2015 8:48 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: >> I am confident there are many 386 owners here - what do you use for XMS >> management on your systems? > Sadly, I don't share your optimism. I hope I'm wrong, but most people > with legacy machines just aren't active anymore. (Even I don't have > any old machines hooked up, for various reasons.) I guess you are wrong... > At this point, I'd almost wonder if it is a hardware problem. Of > course, the only way to find out is run a competing DOS (e.g. MS or > DR) and see if that too has problems. (Or memtest or whatever. Not > totally sure and can't remember about using the old DOS port of that, > ask Eric.) > I would first and foremost check that the RAM on that machine is actually OK (and the supporting hardware). For that, get the a copy of a boot disk (CD, USB or floppy, your choice) of the latest version of Memtest86+ (http://memtest.org/) and have it run at least 10 passes. This will also test if the standard ways to deal with A20 etc are working ok on that box... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [SOLVED] XMS on a 386SX
On 8/26/2015 12:59 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: >> Rugxulo, Ralph, >> >> Thank you both for your inputs! Here's the endgame :) >> >> I already tried to test the RAM on this machine using both "AleGr >> MEMTEST 2.00" and "MEMTEST86+ 4.20" (from a boot floppy), but both fail >> miserably - AleGr MEMTEST imemdiately freezes, while MEMTEST86+ >> immediately reboots the PC. > I vaguely remember an older version (circa 2003) hacked by Eric, which > I think is this one, so if super curious, you could try it: > > http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/memteste.zip If MemTest86+ (exactly THAT and none else ever mentioned by me, and of course the latest version) is not properly running on a PC, there is something fishy with that host, either something not "standard" or there is a problem with the memory/CPU... > >> The BIOS test passes though, so even if RAM chips are bad, they are at >> least seemingly behaving correctly. The RAM "test" in most BIOS'es isn't a test for properly working RAM, it is merely a test if RAM is accessible/available at a certain memory location, and hence means absolutely nothing for the proper operation of a PC... > > Well, it's probably not your RAM then. Wrong conclusion... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FDNPKG v0.99
On 9/1/2015 10:02 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Now, of course I could implement some indexing mechanisms on top of > that, and end up designing a specialized 16 bit database engine that > would fit in the 640K limit of memory... You are making a totally wrong assumptionn that 16bit software means you are limited to 640KB of memory. And properly written 16 bit software has the added advantage that it works just as fine on a 32bit or even 64bit capable host system... ;-) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991&iu=/4140 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FDNPKG v0.99
On 9/2/2015 9:12 AM, dmccunney wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:37 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
>> On 02/09/2015 04:43, Ralf Quint wrote:
>>> You are making a totally wrong assumptionn that 16bit software means you
>>> are limited to 640KB of memory.
>> Absolutely not - my assumption is that running on 8086/80186 means I am
>> limited to 640KB (or let's say < 1M). Hence for software with higher
>> memory requirements there is little or no advantage of being 16bit.
You keep looking at it from the wrong end. There is no disadvantage of
running 16bit code on >80{1}[6,8] type CPU. And for plain DOS software,
like an installer, using a compiler/memory requirements of 386+ CPUs is
rather limiting the number of potential users...
> And getting around the 640K limit was the reason for HIMEM,SYS, EMS,
> XMS, and playing games with the A20 address line. I routinely used
> the capability when I *was* running on an 8086. My old XT clone had
> an expansion card with a MB of additional RAM, split between a
> ramdisk, disk cache, and EMS memory for apps that could use it. This
> all started back *before* the 286 and later 386 CPUs became common.
Well, yes. No. Maybe. All/none of the above...
On an 8086,8088, 80186 type CPU, you can use EMS, if you have
specifically hardware (EMS board) installed. You can not use any XMS,
HMA or similar extensions, as those CPUs have only 20 address bits
(A00-A19), resulting in a hard 1MB memory limit. There aren't any
"games" you can play with the A20 line because there is no A20 on those
CPUs.
That all just became possible with the arrival of the 80286 CPU, which
allowed due to a bug/quirk in the CPU to have a wrap-around of the first
64KB segment, which allowed for an address space of 1MB+64KB-16 bytes.
Ralf
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Re: [Freedos-user] trouble printing in clipper when using freedos
On 9/18/2015 5:15 AM, Marlon Ng wrote: > Hi guys. > > I have a desktop computer with a motherboard that has a built-in > parallel port. When I boot into FreeDOS and run an old Clipper > program, the program can print just fine, without editing any system > files. It just works. > > I have another desktop computer in which the parallel port is an > expansion, not built-in with the motherboard. Upon printing using > Clipper program, I get: > Error: Term/0 > Quit / Retry > Something like that. It cannot print. What is the printer port address of that expansion card? (Free)DOS should be able to print just fine, from Clipper or otherwise, if the base port address of that parallel port is properly added to the BIOS data segment. But not all cards, specifically if they are PCI ones, do this properly... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] trouble printing in clipper when using freedos
On 9/19/2015 11:11 AM, Marlon Ng wrote: > Hi guys! First of all, what am I missing here? I don't get any of your > responses in my email. Should I not be receiving emails when someone > responds to my post? My apologies if this would make it a new thread, > I don't know how else to follow up on your responses! > > Anyway, I will try some of your suggestions, but here's what I got > upon checking the BIOS:(the expansion is a PCI) > > Advanced -> Integrated Peripherals > > I see these 3 things and their default entry or value: (the ones in > parenthesis are alternatives) > > Parallel Port Address:378(278, 3BC) > Parallel Port Mode: Normal (EPP, ECP, EPP+ECP) > Parallel Port IRQ:IRQ7(IRQ5) > > In the Parallel Port Mode, if I select ECP or EPP+ECP , another thingy > comes out (besides the three things above) > ECP Mode DMA Channel: DMA3(DMA1) Now I am a bit confused. Those settings are for the "integrated peripherals" (and 378h is a "normal" port address), but you say that you are trying to use a parallel port on a PCI expansion card, the settings for those I would not expect to find in the default BIOS of your PC (unless the above mentioned settings are in an addon BIOS, something I have never seen before). The problem with some of those PCI cards is that they have a lot of times NOT one of those standard addresses. And what I was asking for was what shows up in the BIOS data segment (which might be different from what you see in the BIOS setup), which is located at 0040h, with the parallel port base addresses starting at offset 0008h... (with "debug", you can "dump" that data (4x2 bytes for LPT1-LPT4) with "-d 0040:0008") Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] trouble printing in clipper when using freedos
On 9/20/2015 10:21 AM, Marlon Ng wrote: > I forgot to mention. The pci parallel expansion is a 3-in-1. It has > one parallel, and two serial (I think). Could this be the reason why > the computer sees it as LPT3? If so, how do I change it to LPT1? I > can't see anything in BIOS that would allow me to do that (?). I've > also read about CMOS being different from BIOS, but I don't know how > to get in there. No, I used hundreds of 3-in-1 cards "back in the days". I did have many machines with 3 (or even 4) parallel ports, 3-8 serial ports. But which "LPT" port DOS (and hence a program running on DOS) sees depends on where the BIOS is entering the base port address in that BIOS data segment address I mentioned put. Contrary to common belief, there is no fixed port addresses associated with a specific LPT port (or COM port for that matter). The originally IBM PC BIOS was scanning for ports in a specific order and that is what most other manufacturers followed. "Standard" parallel port used to have 378h and 278h, which were assigned to LPT1 and LPT2 (if present) from high to low. That meant that the add-on parallel port on a Hercules (and compatible) video adapter, which was fixed at port address 3BCh, became LPT1 when added to a PC (which meant that an otherwise present parallel port on 378h, which would have been assigned to LPT1 in case without the Hercules card, now would be LPT2). So if you have a program that works only with LPT1 (and not with a hard coded base port address!) will use what ever address is put into 0040:0008. You can change that address to match what your expansion card is using either by using debug (-e 0040:0008) or one of the many port changing programs that used to be around for just that purpose... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] trouble printing in clipper when using freedos
On 9/28/2015 10:20 AM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi Marlon / Kaye, > > to use DEBUG to change what is LPT1, you put the I/O port at > some memory location (378 for LPT1, 278 for LPT2, 3bc for LPT3) > which you can do for example like this: > > debug > d 40:08 l 6 > > This shows you the current settings, e.g. 78 03 78 02 00 00 > if you have LPT1 and LPT2 installed but not LPT3. > > a 40:08 > > This starts a session of "enter assembly code"... > > dw 278 > dw 378 > > You leave the edit session by entering an empty line, now > you get a "-" prompt again. Check the results: > > d 40:08 l 6 > That's not necessary this way, with the option of "-e" (for "edit"), you can enter new values in those memory addresses directly... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] trouble printing in clipper when using freedos
On 9/28/2015 9:31 AM, Marlon Ng wrote: > Sorry for the late response guys. Hope you'll be patient with me as I > am not as skilled as you are. > > "So if you have a program that works only with LPT1 (and not with a hard > coded base port address!) will use what ever address is put into > 0040:0008. You can change that address to match what your expansion card > is using either by using debug (-e 0040:0008) or one of the many port > changing programs that used to be around for just that purpose..." > > How exactly do I do that? Ok, for some spoon feeding, here's a short debug session C:\>debug -d 40:8 f 0040: -78 03 78 02 BC 03 00 00 x.x. -e 40:8 0040:0008 78.78 03.02 78.78 02.03 BC. -d 40:8 f 0040: -78 02 78 03 BC 03 00 00 x.x. -q C:\> the first "d 40:8 f" line shows the currently installed/assigned parallel ports LPT1-LPT3 (this is actually a vDOS session), with the base port address 0378h, 0278h and 03BCh respectively, then using the edit command "e 40:8", I entered the first 4 bytes and actually reversed the assignments of LPT1 and LPT2 so that the second "d 40:8 f" line shows now the base addresses 0278h, 0378h and 03BCh for LPT1, LPT2 and LPT3... anything but rocket science... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] trouble printing in clipper when using freedos
On 10/11/2015 5:27 AM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi Marlon, > >> Hi, I boot freedos (which is installed in a partition of the hard drive). >> I type debug, then I type d 40:8 >> >> The first line looks like this: > ... 0040: [8 not displayed bytes] then ... > >> -78 03 00 00 00 00 C0 9E > This means that you have only one printer port: 378. > The other two ports are 0 (not installed) and after > that, you get data which is not related to printers. Well, not quite correct. The fourth pair of bytes here "can" be printers, but since the IBM AT, LPT4 is no longer a standard. > > So in short, on the actual hardware, there is only > one printer port and it already is LPT1 anyway :-) > As he mentioned he has a PCI add-on card, it "could" be that 9EC0 is the base port address of that PCI card, but without any info of that card, it is all a WAG. But otherwise, the BIOS (and in extension, the initialization routine of that add-on card) is not properly putting in any additional LPTx port address (it should be the second pair of bytes at that location). So here we end up having a basic hardware issue which is pretty tough to troubleshoot in a mailing list... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] trouble printing in clipper when using freedos
On 10/12/2015 8:16 AM, Eric Auer wrote: > I see a few possibilities: Port 378 is on the mainboard and the PCI > card does not have the printer port active, port 378 is on the PCI > card but the BIOS does not use it because there was no printer port > without that card or the PCI card printer port is active but on some > non- standard I/O base... With a PCI card, it is more than likely that it is using a "non-standard" I/O base address, as pretty much all PCI adapters will use an address outside of the 400h bytes allocated for the ISA bus I/O addresses, usually a high(er) 16bit address or at least pointing to the PCI configuration address as CF8h, which in turn will provide information about further configuration information. But that is not accessible with any legacy BIOS functionality... The only more or less simple hardware issue here could be that the PCI IO card using a PCI-ISA bridge and is mapping the onboard I/O to the same IO base addresses as the I/O on the motherboard. That should solvable by disabling the onboard parallel port, but that also would render the use of an external IO card rather useless... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS MODE updates (and DOSEMU2) - known bugs, anybody?
On 12/15/2015 10:46 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Nice to see you're still around fixing stuff :) > > There is one little inconvenience I experienced with MODE, that I > reported earlier this year while working on my Svarog86 distribution. > > It relates to MODE executing 'MODE MONO' without checking that it will > actually work (leading to screen loss on CGA systems). Here's the > original thread: > > http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/FreeDOS-ODIN-and-8086-compatibility-td22460.html > On what kind of system are you testing this? I just checked the source and there is a check to test for the presence of a monochrome card and even the presence of a two screen ([C,E,V]GA + monochrome) setup and it looks ok to me at a first glance, unless your system doesn't properly provide the 6845 CRT controller status, which is used for part of that test. I can't test this right now on real iron, as all my systems are in storage at this time, but it works (almost) ok both in vDOS as well as in a VirtualBox setup of FreeDOS 1.1 (though here it switches to a 40 column mode, but cursor and all is still visible/functional)... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS MODE updates (and DOSEMU2) - known bugs, anybody?
On 12/17/2015 12:29 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > On 17/12/2015 20:05, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On what kind of system are you testing this? > I tested it on my "Toshiba T1100 Plus" portable computer. It's an > 8088-based computer with an onboard CGA clone. > > I can do further tests if necessary, if provided with specific > instructions what to test. > Ok, I will dig out my FreeDOS development folder from a backup and create some simple test program. Should be available by Monday... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UltraDMA warning corrected
On 1/13/2016 5:13 PM, dmccunney wrote: > Do you really think MS will *care*? That doesn't matter. We should keep this project as clean as possible, just as a precaution. Problem is that a lot of people these days don't even know how DOS worked 20 years ago and hence might be tempted to look and possibly"borrow" code from M$. And if someone gets p***ed off at M$, one little incidence might be all it takes to hurt the project. Jim has posted the request repeatedly and people should just adhere to the warning. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Site24x7 APM Insight: Get Deep Visibility into Application Performance APM + Mobile APM + RUM: Monitor 3 App instances at just $35/Month Monitor end-to-end web transactions and take corrective actions now Troubleshoot faster and improve end-user experience. Signup Now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=267308311&iu=/4140 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UltraDMA warning corrected
On 1/14/2016 4:20 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Linus Torvalds heavily studied and used Minix sources, which was a > UNIX (tm) clone. It was not free/libre at all, they were commercially > selling it with their text book about OSes. Sorry, but that is not correct. Minix was distributed by Tanenbaum (who was at that time a professor at the university of Amsterdam) for the explicit purpose for students to read and study a Unix like OS. The charge was only for the book that the source code was published in, with a small fee for the media (floppy disks) if you wanted to have it in digital form. The first version available (1.1) was on 8 360KB 5.25" floppy disc, costing something around DM30,- back then. I remember that because I bought those (but never bought the book). So Linus was full within the rights granted by Tanenbaum (Prentice-Hall as the publisher). And the only thing he actually "copied" (kind of) was the file system. He started Linux also from the get-go as a 80386/32bit project (while Minix at that time was only 16bit, 80286 code), using an early version of GCC instead of the ACK (Amsterdam Compiler Kit) C compiler used and bundled with the Minix floppy disks... Got a copy of Linux v0.12, on 3 720K 3.5" floppy disks from an intern at the company I was working at at that time after I had brought those Minix disks to work a few days earlier. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Site24x7 APM Insight: Get Deep Visibility into Application Performance APM + Mobile APM + RUM: Monitor 3 App instances at just $35/Month Monitor end-to-end web transactions and take corrective actions now Troubleshoot faster and improve end-user experience. Signup Now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=267308311&iu=/4140 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] install
On 3/17/2016 6:04 PM, Don Flowers wrote: > PS - Check you BIOS and enable legacy support. > Anyone wanna take bets that this laptop only has an UEFI BIOS, and no legacy BIOS anymore? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785231&iu=/4140 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Catch "rd" order before command.com processing
On 3/29/2016 9:41 AM, Hans-Christian Koch wrote: Hey Louis! Thanks for your quick answer which helped me alot! Actually I just copied deltree.com to my C: directory and put in my autoexec.bat alias rd=C:\deltree.com /y Now when I do “rd C:\directory\directory2” it deletes the specified directory. I know it’s a pretty dirty solution (especially dangerous with /y switch) but I guess this works out for me J. Open for any suggestions! I would seriously recommend against doing so. One typo, like an accidental space after the directory slash(es) and you wipe out far more than you intend, without any safeguard against it. It's pretty much like taking a shotgun with buckshot to shoot yourself in the foot. "Ab is' ab..." Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] USB
On 4/23/2016 9:55 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Your the one who pointed me to MSdos 7.1. > I've noticed a few annoying short coming > for msdos7.1 that FREEDOS doesn't have. > 1st it limits the rs232 output to 9600 baud. No, it doesn't. I used in fact a Windows 98SE machine booting without GUI for years at a environmental project where we got sensor data via 115200 baud. > Most URATs can go to 115000 which is what I often use. Well, DOS does not inhibit the capabilities of any UART. The serial port might be by default be initialized at 9600 baud, but there is no reason that any application using any serial port can set it to any parameter the UART is in fact capable of... > I use rs232 to print bluetooth from dos. > 9600 baud is crawl speed > The other is when I tried to install a sound driver > on my laptop. MSdos7.1 insists that I use windows > to install it so that I can enjoy the windows/dos enperience. After all, there is no MS-DOS 7.1, it is in fact Windows 98. But with just a somewhat hazy problem description, it is hard to tell what might be amiss here... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] USB
On 4/23/2016 5:40 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Its not only MSdos 7.1 but other dos's that limit the uart speed > to 9600 baud. The mode command doesn't go higher than 9600 baud. > I use the dos copy command to send the .prn files to a bluetooth printer. > At 9600 baud you can take a nice long coffee break while it prints. > FREEDOS doesn't have a limit like that. What is the point of making > fast uarts if the software holds you back. Again, no DOS is limiting the capabilities of the UART, I don't have a working setup anymore since my last move, but I doubt that any DOS mode command is limited to just 9600 baud. And if push comes to shove, just use any terminal program to set the UART to a higher speed. Or use the FreeDOS mode command, it's the tool that would be limitation, not any form of DOS... Just did only a very quick Google search and M$ themself list that least an option to set the baud rate to 19200 baud (speed parameter "19"). Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] USB
On 4/23/2016 6:53 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > The copy command is limited to what you set the mode command to. > FREEDOS lets you set the baud very high but other dos's and > even windows has 9600 baud as the upper limit, well below > the uarts top speed. > If I type copy filename.prn com1: in any other dos besides FREEDOS > its top transmission speed is 9600. Any graphics file would take a few > minutes at that speed. Text file are ok at 9600 but pictures take > forever. > Terminal software like xtalk only send text files at high speeds. > For photos you need the dos copy command. Sorry, but all of this is NOT correct. Once again, nothing in DOS limits how high you set the UART speed, and certainly nothing in Windows. I have been using serial devices (not USB) with 115k baud for decades, likewise transferred non-text files over serial connections for that long as well, even using such antic dinosaurs like Kermit to transfer programs (executables) as well as graphics between MS-DOS and other systems like Unix SysV or Atari 520, because I had only BBS access (this was before there was what today is called an "Internet") on my MS-DOS (later Windows 3.11) system. At work back in the late '80s/early'90s (CAD software company) we were running serial connected plotters at 56K and 115k baud, pretty much all of our digitizer tablets ran at 38.4k baud. And I had one of the first modems running at 56K baud when the standard was still 28.8K or 33.6K. All in DOS... If you set the baud rate with the FreeDOS mode command, on any DOS, a copy command will work, however, there is no handshake, no error correction, so you need to have a 100% working serial connection to have that working. A copy to COM[1,2] otherwise will work at whatever the speed of the UART is set to. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] USB
On 4/24/2016 7:25 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > I load my software on cf chips so I'm running pure dos > no windows. When you read the help section it implies > that 19200 exists but when you try the command > it comes back not allowed. Even windows 7 has a > 9600 limit. You can set it in the control panel to over 115000 baud > then click ok and it sets it right back 9600. It won't > keep the higher setting. Then you have a problem with your system. I can set on all of my Windows machines that have a true serial port till easily 115k baud and it works that way just fine, do this currently for a lot of IoT work. I suspect you rather have a hardware issue that is preventing you from achieving a higher speed, maybe whatever serial to Bluetooth converter you are using. What is the actual UART in your system? On what port address? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] PNP ISA network card locks during early boot with PS/2 mouse connected
On 5/14/2016 10:11 AM, John Hupp wrote: > So I still don't see a firm conclusion to be drawn. Do some > motherboard BIOS's not know what to make of the Realtek card? Are > these Realtek cards poorly made? Or specially designed to be > configured under Windows (though that wouldn't explain the early lock > on PC #1)? Or does ICU not work well with this Realtek chip (though > again, irrelevant on PC #1)? Bottom line is that PnP doesn't work (properly) for ISA cards, NIC or otherwise. As far as NE2000 compatible RTL8019 cards go, they will work reliably when you can set, just as on the original NE2000, the physical parameters via jumpers. None of those settings, I/O port or IRQ however should interfere with PS/2 mouse or keyboard, as you mentioned yourself. It rather seems that this one particular motherboard has issues. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] PNP ISA network card locks during early boot with PS/2 mouse connected
On 5/14/2016 4:09 PM, Eric Auer wrote: >> Bottom line is that PnP doesn't work (properly) for ISA cards... > Indeed, back in the time PnP was only a nice idea. You needed that > ICU software and it still was more hassle than non-PnP ISA cards > where you would just set the jumpers manually but at least the > results were what you planned :-) For network, older PCI cards > can work quite okay in DOS, for example those with the RTL8139 > chip, PCI was designed with PnP in mind, so there has been no issue in that regard, though the use of non-PC standard (in terms of DOS) I/O ports, for example of serial (as in RS-232)/parallel add-on cards made their use in standard DOS program quite a hassle. > although their drivers often seem to be license-troubled: > Based on open source building blocks, yet without public source. Now that is a completely different barrel of fish. But as commonly anyone who buys a piece of hardware gets the drivers with that hardware or can download the drivers from the manufacturers web site for free, can use them just fine. Unless someone suffers from advanced Stallman disease >:)... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Some foo for thought
I think what the author mentions does apply in an even greater range to FreeDOS http://www.techrepublic.com/article/time-linux-fans-open-their-arms-to-closed-source/ Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS website (rants)
On 7/15/2016 5:32 PM, Jose Antonio Senna wrote: >This said, I also admit browsing from DOS > is going to be less and less practical. > Lynx 2.8.5 supports HTTPS (and is the only > tried DOS browser which does), but I cannot > access Wikipedia with it, because the > algorithms they use (or so they said). > Not that they care. >Newer versions of Lynx may have wider > HTTPS capabilities, but they are really > *nix programs, depending on so much extra > code that they shall probably never run > in a 386. https is only one issue, the general use/switch to HTML5 with all the multi-media and forms features (negating the need to have flash for a lot of things) is probably a much bigger hurdle. > >It shall be possible to write a browser "for DOS" > from scratch (possibly using only expanded > memory, so it may run even in a 8088, albeit > a fast one), but it will take so much skilled > effort that nobody is going to do it. Good luck with that. It seems these days nobody can actually program anything for DOS anymore. As much as I like DOS and I think it can still be very useful for example in embedded use, like on the Intel Quark based IoT boards, (general) web browsing on DOS is just nonsense. Just use Linux for that if you do not want to use Windows and don't want to encumber yourself with macOS (fka OS X) either... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS and DOS browsers
On 8/1/2016 2:14 PM, TJ Edmister wrote: > On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 05:24:30 -0400, dmccunney > wrote: > >> More to the point, who *needed* it? >> >> MNG is PNG with support for animation. PNG was created to be a >> graphics format unencumbered by patents. > If GIF was patent encumbered, then it would seem that anyone who wanted > support for animation in an unencumbered format "needed" MNG. GIF was indeed covered by several patents from Unisys, in particular the LZW compression, which all ran out in 2004... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF#Unisys_and_LZW_patent_enforcement Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to use German keyboard layout with FreeDOS?
On 8/18/2016 6:31 AM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Tom Ehlert wrote on Mon, 15 Aug 2016 16:00:55 +0200: > >> an amazing amount of effort to get a german keyboard driver > Not really once you know that you don't need the .kl file. > According to > http://help.fdos.org/de/hhstndrd/base/keyb.htm > you have to run (as an example) "keyb GR,,GR GR.KL /E". Well, no. You "have to" read the instructions properly though. It clearly states after that example that you need those additional parameters only if you are encumbered with an enhanced AT keyboard (101/102keys) as opposed to a standard XT (83keys)/AT keyboard (84 keys) that isn't recognized as such and the additional keys don't work. As pretty much all keyboards of the last 20 years are newer versions of that enhanced AT keyboard type, it is very unlikely that today you would still have one of those unrecognized ones from 30+ years back on your system... > But I have the same problem with it. Adding "keyb gr" to autoexec.bat does > not run it. It seems autoexec.bat isn't executed at all. Shouldn't it run > automatically once DOS is loaded? Unless you made a very fundamental error, it likely is. Tom posted already one way to verify that, another one would be to put a PAUSE statement before (and after) the statement in question as well as making you that the default ECHO mode is on (no ECHO OFF statement at the top of your autoexec.bat). You should see the command being called and any error message if there's something wrong with that line... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help
On 9/10/2016 1:57 PM, Salih Yuhnis wrote: Hi Eric, We will try your config as you specified and return to you if it will solve the problem. Again for the problem is no error in loading img file with keyb.exe as it shows everything is ok with keyb.exe load same in virtualbox but keyboard layout is always bios default 457 in real machine. Well, one question you have so far avoided to answer is how the actual setup of real machine and VirtualBox machine differ. Do you run the VB image on the same physical hardware as the FreeDOS image you are booting over PXE? Also, in another post, you mentioned that keyb.exe "doesn't load"? Have you verified that with MEM that it isn't in fact loaded? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help
On 9/10/2016 2:31 PM, Salih Yuhnis wrote: Hi Ralf, Yes Virtualbox and real machine is exactly loading same without generating any errors. In Virtualbox keyboard layout is working. In Real machine its not working. When we check in memory looks like a problem in real machine side. You are not answering the question! Where do you run VirtualBox? on the very same physical machine? Also, you did not answer the question if you verified that keyb.exe isn't actually loaded or if your parameters you are trying to give it don't work? Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user USB driv
On 11/8/2016 7:38 AM, Mike Powell wrote: > > For the uneducated, what is a "USB floppy drive"? A floppy drive connected via a USB port... Google it and you will find it, for example https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Floppy-Drive-FL-UDRV/dp/B00E9MD700 Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
