Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
Okay, So, I sent Peggie Hall a private message on "Cruisers Forum" and she wrote back saying she would be happy to help me design a solid system for my boat. I have a phone call scheduled with her this evening! That is pretty amazing that she is so willing to help a complete stranger. She said she would prefer a phone call because she could transfer more information in 45 minutes to an hour conversation than loads of back and fourth emails. I'll share whatever info I get if you all are interested. Danny,Lolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: "j...@svpaws.net" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:35:52 -0400 Ah Are you sure about the lectrasan? You seem to be implying that their use is legal in a no discharge zone? John Sent from my iPad On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:27 PM, "Rick Brass" wrote: Did an offshore passage in a boat with a composting head, and heartily recommend the concept. The only downside I found to the installation I experienced was the need to climb up onto the head – this one was pretty tall. I removed the holding tank on my 38 a few years ago and installed in its place a Lectra-San, a 9 gallon tank, and a group 24 deep cycle battery to power the Lectra-San and the windlass. In the past 4 years or so I’ve never had to worry about a pumpout or overboard discharge – though I have had to explain to a couple of Coasties and USCG Auxilliary folks what “No Discharge” means and the CG rules for a type I MSD. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:00 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. I'm not really sure what the banana would do... Lol I have thought about the porta potty and then thought the composting toilet would have been a better idea. I'm still not completely convinced that it isn't. It is an easy install and for the amount of time we need it, it may well be a good solution. However, it grossed out the admiral. So, I'm on to this solution of a good holding tank design. T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: "bobmor99 ." To: Subject: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. Date: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 9:51 pm I'm mainly a daysailor who has so far avoided the poo issue. If I were to forgo my very comfortable bed and spend a night aboard Ox, I would first try to address the poo problem at the source - with bananas. Beyond that, I'd go Porta Potti and deal with it. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Okay guys, I'm planning a new waste system. I'm going with the Raritan PHC head and a new holding tank. I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a bladder holding tank. I really don't like the bladder. It has worked okay but, one day it will fail and it will be disgusting! I just want rid of it... I'm looking for ideas on the design. i.e. Where to install the tank and how to pipe it. I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install about a 16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head. However, after a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough room there. I was kind of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a gravity drain for when I'm in an area where that is possible. This would also keep the hose runs very short and I could easily vent and pipe the pump-out fitting in the side deck above. Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the tank and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every flush. Then I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to the tank. That would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an area that allowed it and the need of another pump. I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having it done at a pump-out station. Is it a fitting that attaches to the deck fitting and sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into the tank and suck it directly out with their hose? Anyway, As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments are appreciated! Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
Well, Peggie Hall is supposed to be the utmost authority on an odor free boat. She says the biggest cause of odor is anaerobic bacteria that thrives in an environment with little or no air. Aerobic bacteria supposedly does not smell and, will kill off the anaerobic bacteria, needs good ventilation to thrive. So she recommends 2, at least 1" vents to keep the aerobic bacteria healthy and alive which in turn breaks down the waste without odor. Allowing your hoses to droop causing traps will allow waste to pool there and begin braking down. Again this will anaerobic breakdown and cause odor and eventually permeate the hoses. It seems necessary to flush the whole thing with fresh water at least at the end of the day or when you're about to close up the boat for any length of time. also, you really need to use sanitary hose for the water intake line. I can attest to the stench you get out of those braided, clear hoses. Geeze, I guess I have been doing some reading on this topic... LOL now, lets hope it pays off in practice! Danny -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:27:28 -0400 Hadn't though about doing it in the cold. Good idea. Maybe I'll use a respirator, too! Has anyone got thoughts on how to avoid fragrant whiffs for the vent whenever someone uses the head? AndyC&C 40Peregrine On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools to put a slit in the hose end and replace the fitting if it got damaged. Would save a lot of frustration. Have those big heavy duty contractor grade garbage bags on hand. They'll contain anything SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Burton wrote: Please do share. I'm replacing smelly hoses this year.AndyPeregrineC&C 40 On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:14 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Okay,�So, I sent Peggie Hall a private message on "Cruisers Forum" and she wrote back saying she would be happy to help me design a solid system for my boat. �I have a phone call scheduled with her this evening! �That is pretty amazing that she is so willing to help a complete stranger. �She said she would prefer a phone call because she could transfer more information in 45 minutes to an hour conversation than loads of back and fourth emails.�I'll share whatever info I get if you all are interested.�Danny,Lolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA��� -- Original Message -- From: "j...@svpaws.net" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:35:52 -0400 Ah Are you sure about the lectrasan? �You seem to be implying that their use is legal in a no discharge zone?�John Sent from my iPad On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:27 PM, "Rick Brass" wrote: Did an offshore passage in a boat with a composting head, and heartily recommend the concept. The only downside I found to the installation I experienced was the need to climb up onto the head � this one was pretty tall. � I removed the holding tank on my 38 a few years ago and installed in its place a Lectra-San, a 9 gallon tank, and a group 24 deep cycle battery to power the Lectra-San and the windlass. In the past 4 years or so I�ve never had to worry about a pumpout or overboard discharge � though I have had to explain to a couple of Coasties and USCG Auxilliary folks what �No Discharge� means and the CG rules for a type I MSD. � Rick Brass � From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:00 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. � I'm not really sure what the banana would do... �Lol I have thought about the porta potty and then thought the composting toilet would have been a better idea. �I'm still not completely convinced that it isn't. �It is an easy install and for the amount of time we need it, it may well be a good solution. �However, it grossed out the admiral. �So, I'm on to this solution of a good holding tank design. T-Mobile. America�s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: "bobmor99 ." To: Subject: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. Date: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 9:51 pm � I'm mainly a daysailor who has so far avoided the poo issue. If I were to forgo my very comfortable bed and spend a night aboard Ox, I would first try to address the poo problem at the source - with bananas. Beyond that, I'd go Porta Po
Re: Stus-List Head odors
Okay, I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything against black hoses?" I said, "Not really." She said "oh good! use the trident 101 hoses. I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a permeation issue." I guess I'm going to have black hoses...I guess I could paint them if the admiral has an issue with them... She also suggested a 24 gallon tank at least. She said, on average, a manual toilet uses .6 gal/flush and the average person uses the toilet at leas 5 times per day. So, at a minimum your putting 3 gal/day/person in the the tank. For 2 people you get 6 gal/day so that tank will not even last 4 days because you don't want to be filling it to capacity. So, we (she) decided the v-birth would be the best location for the new tank. I'll be heading down to the boat with the Ronco catalog in hand to figure out what the biggest tank I can fit under the v-birth. All in all, it will be a very simple system. Manual toilet (she said the Raritan PHC would have been here recommendation) to a Y valve diverting the waste either directly overboard or into the tank. A 1" vent, as far forward as I can get it. A pump out and potentially, a seperate fitting on the tank for a manual overboard tank drain with a manual pump. The project moves on. DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Joel Aronson To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Head odors Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:37:02 -0400 One word of caution - my boat's head had 1 1/4 inch discharge hose. �New heads are 1 1/2 inch. �Check diameters if you want to re-use Y valves.The Raritan hose is more expensive and more flexible. �I don't know if it is easier to install or more durable. � I'd like to hear Peggy's recommendations. �I'm not replacing the tank but am replacing thru hulls in the bow, so hoses need to be changed and could be reconfigured. �I know I want to move the discharge loop. Joel35/3Annapolis Joel On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote: Some expensive head hose has Saran wrap material built into the hose if you are looking for new hose. � Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Rodmell Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Head odors � The Hinckley book on boat maintenance says to wrap the sanitary hoses in Saran wrap. Worth a try-- and cheap and easy. Ken Rodmell ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Head odors
LOL...do you do that when you are in a mooring field with 100 other boats? I don't. She is going by the strict standard of "no discharge" in a no discharge area, which is almost everywhere unless you're passage making. I mean I can get to a discharge zone in like 45 minutes. I guess you could use dumping you tank as a reason to go "off shore" LOL Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Pete Shelquist" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Head odors Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:21:11 -0500 “Average person uses toilet 5 times a day”… is my boat the only one with guys peeing over the side? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Head odors Okay, I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything against black hoses?" I said, "Not really." She said "oh good! use the trident 101 hoses. I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a permeation issue." I guess I'm going to have black hoses...I guess I could paint them if the admiral has an issue with them... She also suggested a 24 gallon tank at least. She said, on average, a manual toilet uses .6 gal/flush and the average person uses the toilet at leas 5 times per day. So, at a minimum your putting 3 gal/day/person in the the tank. For 2 people you get 6 gal/day so that tank will not even last 4 days because you don't want to be filling it to capacity. So, we (she) decided the v-birth would be the best location for the new tank. I'll be heading down to the boat with the Ronco catalog in hand to figure out what the biggest tank I can fit under the v-birth. All in all, it will be a very simple system. Manual toilet (she said the Raritan PHC would have been here recommendation) to a Y valve diverting the waste either directly overboard or into the tank. A 1" vent, as far forward as I can get it. A pump out and potentially, a seperate fitting on the tank for a manual overboard tank drain with a manual pump. The project moves on. Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation
Peggie mentioned that lifetime waranty hose and said she would go with the track record over the new product. Meaning the Trident has been tried and true for many years. It is $9.92/ft. at Go2Marine.com for the black stuff. They don't appear to have the white version. -- Original Message -- From: Michael Brown To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:48:16 -0400 I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything against black hoses?" I said, "Not really." She said "oh good! use the trident 101 hoses. I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a permeation issue." I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of Trident. 1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose 1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot Warranty: One year 2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose 1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation 3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose 1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot Warranty: Five-year limited warranty For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential between the hoses is not a big issue. If the Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years that would be my first choice. I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount of odor is present after a few days away. Mike Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning from a race. The boat ahead of us lost a crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter - lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method - put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a moment at the ladder, we asked if everything was OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how difficult it was trying to swim and operate a zipper "safely" with one hand. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A short sailing movie
Nice!! Making me miss summer even more... -- Original Message -- From: Peter Delean To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List A short sailing movie Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:16:28 -0400 Greetings listers. As a Georgian Bay sailor, this time of year is always a sad time. The boat is hauled out, and with it a great sailing season comes to an end. This summer I purchased a nice old 1980 C&C 30 Mk1 from a fellow in Gore Bay, on Manitoulin Island. Getting it down to my home port in Penetanguishene required some decision making. Sail or trailer? (The boat did come with a tri-axle trailer). Sailing across the vast (to me) expanse of water was daunting, and my co-pilot politely said she would not be joining me. Maybe she said it no so politely. Regardless, I decided to sail and found a partner in crime, a high school buddy with much chartering experience in Europe. Things worked out perfectly. Ray and I left Gore Bay at 6am on a Friday morning and arrived at noon on Sunday in Penetanguishene. We had perfect weather, some breeze, some dead calm; we were attacked by hungry deer flies at one point Saturday afternoon as weather warmed up. We were the only boat in the middle of Georgian Bay on Saturday, until we dropped anchor at Beckwith Island. That was a lonely feeling. The whole experience was a fantastic one, and I couldn’t resist making a short movie about the trip. The movie was made using Movie Maker software (Microsoft). The photos were taken with either a Canon EOS T3, Olympus point and shoot, or my iPhone. I shot the video with my little Olympus on a RAM mount attached to the dodger hand rail. (Not HD unfortunately) Clearly the best part of the video is the music. Play it loud and enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E0QMFxa-Aw Go easy on my movie making skills, this is my first stab at it. C&C relevance: at Club Island we anchored beside what looks like a beautiful C&C 32. I’ll let the aficionado’s debate the model. Hopefully the Great Lakes sailors will re-live some of last summer. Peter Delean Drifter II C&C 30 Mk1 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Boat
Doesn't look to bad... Nice thing about the boat having been on the hard for two years, covered, is that she will be bone dry, hopefully, for the glass repair work! Looking at that survey, she doesn't need much. Did he run a moisture meter everywhere? I don't know, I'd probably have a guy survey it for me, with me present. You could learn a lot. If you buy the boat, consider it a $600 introduction to the boat. A good survey would talk about moisture content somewhere, especially around the cracks Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List New Boat Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:45:37 -0300 I now have an accepted offer on http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4 I think I got them as low as they would go. They started at $32000 Cdn - in the end we agreed to $22500. I have to pay for the winter storage and the broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold. The seller is adamant that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. I think it's a good deal. I could get a similar boat for a little less in Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the savings. I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather than trying to buy something 1200km away. This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last 2 years. Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some issues that will need to be addressed. Simple stuff like oiling the teak and cleaning. Re-covering cushions. A little bit of repair work on some wood. Few bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will need to be replaced. Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat that could do everything for me but not spend any money. We didn't get out for a beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I could get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain. I think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the family, but still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. Recent survey is attached. My question - would you re-survey the boat? The survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes? Boat has not been in the water since the survey. I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter - sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I think). Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations. Engine had a bit of surface rust. Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if I should do a new survey. BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point. I've learned a lot from watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple email threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc. Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list - too much good info to pass it up. Mark - CONDITIONAL SURVEY VESSEL: “SEA FEVER” March 2012 At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S. 30 Fibreglass Sloop “Sea Fever”. The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering wheel, the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been removed from the vessel and retained by the Owner. Underwater Hull – Generally in good condition with the following defects: Starboard Side The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is not considered significant. It has had a recent repair but should be reworked. The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and the filling has worked loose. Port Side The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is not considered significant. The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and the filling has worked loose. There are a few places where the glass covering on the keel have worn through and the lead keel is exposed. There are 2 small knicks in the fibreglass on the transom. Antifouling Antifouling should be re-coated. Rudder Good condition but some fibreglass cracking aroundthe pintle bearing. 2 Propellor & Shaft Good condition overall. Topsides The topsid
Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation
"I take it the "no 90deg bends" means no use ofa 90deg elbow. Does two 45 deg elbows and a short section between them work?" To play it safe you could always use the 2-45s and put a short piece of flexible pipe in between. However you might be better off just making the whole turn with flexible tubing. PVC can get more and more brittle over time and becomes very brittle in cold weather. I think you have to deal with 90 degree turns as though they are a more fixed connection. Danny___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Boat
Yea, what Marek said...! -- Original Message -- From: "Marek Dziedzic" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:53:16 -0400 Mark, I add my voice to the chorus recommending a survey. I know how it feels when you are spending over $20k on a boat and suddenly everyone starts asking for $200 here and $500 there (I bought a new(er) boat last year). But that $600 will be money well spent. It will either show that most of the things are fine (and you will be happy about it) or it will unearth some major problems and you will be happy to walk away. You win, either way. Having gone through the steps over the last 12 months I suggest you include in your calculations additional $5-7k for various repairs and additions: - a few $k ($2-3k) for the bottom repairs (unless you can do it yourself)- another $1-2k for instruments- about $2-3k for the new sails- additional $1k for miscellaneous additions, repairs, supplies, spares etc. Not all of the above has to happen at once, but plan for it (we can talk in a year how this worked out for you). Good luck and congratulations Marek (in Ottawa) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Well, I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover. I looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the V-birth. It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some cutting. There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece comes out. I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only have to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead below the platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank. So, that leaves the center storage area below the V-birth. This would entail having to open the platform in order drop a tank in there. The access hatch is way too small to get a tank through. This also creates a longer hose run from the toilet and back to the through hull. I could put the tank back where the bladder is now. Which is under the "L" shaped settee just aft of the head. This is probably the most convenient location. Which is why the bladder is there now. I'm not really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is where I'll end up putting it. I can't really see any reason not to put it there really. Short hose runs, close to the existing pump out. I was kind of hoping to add some more water storage there. Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Danny -- Original Message -- From: Paul Fountain To: Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400 Marek, Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly a wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you – in the Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure James would ship to you if you wantd. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Steve, where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 months) Marek in Ottawa Message: 8 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools to put a slit in the hose end and replace the fitting if it got damaged. Would save a lot of frustration. Have those big heavy duty contractor grade garbage bags on hand. They'll contain anything Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here... way too much bling for $8KSoft decks? needs a new keel? New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own. The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me. I saw this at the boat show. reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles that are typically used to hide something. I guess good old boat just did a favorable article on this stuff though. so, my opinion is just that, completely subjective. New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine? I'm curious... LOL Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: CnClist Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT) http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
could be abandoned at the yard and they are trying to recoup their losses? -- Original Message -- From: "Della Barba, Joe" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:35:18 -0400 My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then L 1972 C&C sailboat 35ft NEW DEISEL, fuel tank and gauges $8,000-$12,000 here. , cushions redone, $2,000-$,5000 here. head, holding tank new, all new wiring, hatch AC, new vinal teak holly sole floor, sails main jib 110, 130, 160. Bottom done in spring, boot stripe done in spring. Port lights rebedded last fall by marina. Must see. Call me daytime @ 609-743-7172 Not clear on the sails as to age or condition. This boat is selling for barely twice the scrap value of the lead with a frigging new diesel? Excuse me while I get depressed. Just remembered I had a fantastic sail home from the club Sunday. Happier now J Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here... way too much bling for $8K Soft decks? needs a new keel? New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own. The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me. I saw this at the boat show. reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles that are typically used to hide something. I guess good old boat just did a favorable article on this stuff though. so, my opinion is just that, completely subjective. New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine? I'm curious... LOL Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: CnClist Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT) http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
lol...well played... -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Coleman" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:22:50 -0400 V Berth (Birth) Forgive me, Danny, and don’t hit me. Smiley face. Whatever. Bill Coleman From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here... way too much bling for $8K Soft decks? needs a new keel? New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own. The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me. I saw this at the boat show. reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles that are typically used to hide something. I guess good old boat just did a favorable article on this stuff though. so, my opinion is just that, completely subjective. New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine? I'm curious... LOL Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: CnClist Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT) http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull. It has just the one hatch for access. my boat has a "V-birth!" it gives life to it's (its) inhabitants each morning! Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the holding tank there... Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500 Danny, Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down? If so, take it up, install the tank and replace it. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: Well, I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover. I looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the V-birth. It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some cutting. There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece comes out. I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only have to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead below the platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank. So, that leaves the center storage area below the V-birth. This would entail having to open the platform in order drop a tank in there. The access hatch is way too small to get a tank through. This also creates a longer hose run from the toilet and back to the through hull. I could put the tank back where the bladder is now. Which is under the "L" shaped settee just aft of the head. This is probably the most convenient location. Which is why the bladder is there now. I'm not really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is where I'll end up putting it. I can't really see any reason not to put it there really. Short hose runs, close to the existing pump out. I was kind of hoping to add some more water storage there. Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Danny -- Original Message -- From: Paul Fountain To: Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400 Marek, Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly a wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you – in the Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure James would ship to you if you wantd. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Steve, where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 months) Marek in Ottawa Message: 8 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools to put a slit in the hose end and replace the fitting if it got damaged. Would save a lot of frustration. Have those big heavy duty contractor grade garbage bags on hand. They'll contain anything Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Dennis, Thanks! Do you think this is preferable to the current location of the bladder tank? There is actually a thru hull I was planning on getting rid of under the starboard settee. It is a transducer of some ancient equipment long abandoned. I guess, as a pro, I could run a hose from the tank to that thru hull for possible dumping. That way, I could have a wye valve for direct discharge or tank flushing and then not need a wye valve for pumping/dumping. 2- connections on the tank. I may even be able to pull off a gravity drain as the tank will be a little higher than the through-hull. I would have to have the outlet at the bottom of the tank for that, and that does worry me some. I could always mount a manual pump I guess... The only biggest con I see is that the toilet will actually be pumping uphill to the tank and will require more fresh water to clear the hose all the way to the tank, filling the tank faster. am I seeing things correctly? Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:24:25 -0500 Danny, I just got on Touché and looked at the platform. Yup, it's part of the interior pan. Plan B - cut out the platform above the center storage. Use a jigsaw or a multimax vibrating saw. Drop in the tank. Put the cutout back by letting it rest on new wooden cleats under the cut. Just like the access panel except screwed down. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull. It has just the one hatch for access. my boat has a "V-birth!" it gives life to it's (its) inhabitants each morning! Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the holding tank there... Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500 Danny, Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down? If so, take it up, install the tank and replace it. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: Well, I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover. I looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the V-birth. It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some cutting. There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece comes out. I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only have to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead below the platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank. So, that leaves the center storage area below the V-birth. This would entail having to open the platform in order drop a tank in there. The access hatch is way too small to get a tank through. This also creates a longer hose run from the toilet and back to the through hull. I could put the tank back where the bladder is now. Which is under the "L" shaped settee just aft of the head. This is probably the most convenient location. Which is why the bladder is there now. I'm not really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is where I'll end up putting it. I can't really see any reason not to put it there really. Short hose runs, close to the existing pump out. I was kind of hoping to add some more water storage there. Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Danny -- Original Message -- From: Paul Fountain To: Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400 Marek, Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly a wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you – in the Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure James would ship to you if you wantd. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system Steve, where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 months) Marek in Ottawa Message: 8 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses
Re: Stus-List New Boat
Hi Mark, I wouldn't worry too much about the hold back. They probably are a little disappointed at the price. I wouldn't take that personally. At least you can still walk if you don't like something you see. You'll get a lot of insight from the survey. Bring a notebook and get one of those head lamps! This is all stuff I Wish I did during my survey. I was so excited and full of wonder I didn't pay near close enough attention. LOL talk about a kid in a candy shop! I wish you all the best with the rest of the process! I'm excited for you!! LOL Thanks for sharing the whole thing! I keep looking for your emails with anticipation!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 02:37:40 -0300 Ok. Thanks for all the advice. With my initial offer I had asked for a $2000 holdback to make sure the engine was running in the spring --- but with the final counter from the seller they are saying "no holdback and no adjustments to purchase price" -- I get the impression they a rather upset I pushed them so low. I figure they could have simply refused, and waited another year That said - they are treating this like an "as is, where is" sale now - and don't seem interested in any further negotiations about holdbacks etc. I talked to the mechanic that has worked on the engine the last 5-7 yrs today. I'm hoping to have him out to the boat on Sunday to start it up, run it a bit and then re-winterize it - give me as much of an "all clear" as he can. He said he has had only minor issues with this motor over the years - a small leak that has been fixed with new o-rings, a new starter. That said he is not a big fan of Volvo diesels - feels the parts are too expensive and the motor is not as solid as a Yanmar - but that this particular boat has not had any sig problems. My insurance has accepted the existing survey on the boat. But I think I'll take the recommendations and go ahead with a full survey myself - at least that will give me the start of a "to do" list for the boat. As for the "cracks" noted on the keel - I saw them when I looked at the boat. Tiny cracks along the keel/hull joint -- small enough I bet they'd fill with a coat or 2 of bottom paint. Looks like a little bit of filler or caulk fell out. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 28/10/2013 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: I now have an accepted offer on http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4 I think I got them as low as they would go. They started at $32000 Cdn - in the end we agreed to $22500. I have to pay for the winter storage and the broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold. The seller is adamant that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. I think it's a good deal. I could get a similar boat for a little less in Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the savings. I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather than trying to buy something 1200km away. This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last 2 years. Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some issues that will need to be addressed. Simple stuff like oiling the teak and cleaning. Re-covering cushions. A little bit of repair work on some wood. Few bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will need to be replaced. Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat that could do everything for me but not spend any money. We didn't get out for a beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I could get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain. I think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the family, but still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. Recent survey is attached. My question - would you re-survey the boat? The survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes? Boat has not been in the water since the survey. I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter - sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I think). Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations. Engine had a bit of surface rus
Re: Stus-List New Boat
Mark said: AMEN to that brother! and you can buy insurance for the boat... ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rudder Bearing
Hey, Has anyone got any advise or insights on replacing a rudder bearing? Mine is a bit too sloppy for my liking. is this huge PITA? What would be the steps to doing a good repair/maintenance vs what the yard might do. I guess if it isn't actually broke yet, it would be considered preventative maintenance, right? I've already lost steering once and really don't want to experience that again. Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing
Bob, really?? That sounds pretty easy. just get the right size or a little bigger OD and bore a hole? I guess I could bring that into a machine shop... Is the rudder just held in by the pin at the top? Is the rudder very heavy? Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Bob Hickson" To: Subject: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:43:53 -0400 My previous boat was a little brother to yours – 1974 Viking 28. I dropped the rudder. There are plastic insert bushings at the top and bottom end of the rudder tube that easily slide out. My son machined 2 new bushings from a piece of Delrin rod worked great problem solved Best regards, Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA C&C 29-2 Flying Colours Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club Pickering, ON (416) 919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com __/) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing
"what, it's the first hole I dug?" the 33 came with a tiller too. Mine was converted over to a wheel but, the tiller fitting is still there. I guess I should commandeer a couple people to help drop that rudder. Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Bob Hickson" To: Subject: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:01:06 -0400 I had to dig a hole about 18" deep to drop the rudder out of my V28. It was very heavyrudder shaft is solid stainless. It was held in by a single pin through the top of the rudder shaft and the tiller fitting (V28 had a tiller not a wheel) Message: 8 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:04:45 GMT From: "djhaug...@juno.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Message-ID: <20131031.150445.3202...@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, really?? That sounds pretty easy. just get the right size or a little bigger OD and bore a hole? I guess I could bring that into a machine shop... Is the rudder just held in by the pin at the top? Is the rudder very heavy? Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Bob Hickson" To: Subject: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:43:53 -0400 My previous boat was a little brother to yours 1974 Viking 28. I dropped the rudder. There are plastic insert bushings at the top and bottom end of the rudder tube that easily slide out. My son machined 2 new bushings from a piece of Delrin rod worked great problem solved Best regards, Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA C&C 29-2 Flying Colours Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club Pickering, ON (416) 919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com __/) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Getting young people into sailing?
I didn't really start sailing until 2008 in my, ehhh hem, early 40s. However, I was taken sailing a total of about 4 times during the course of my life. I grew up on power boats on long island sound. We would go fishing and camping on the islands off of Norwalk CT, lots of water skiing and kneeboarding and rafting up hand floating for days, heading over to northport LI for drinks or dinner or trying to chat up the big haired long island girls of the 80s. But, I always would stop and watch the sailboats go by. Always fascinated by them! ...and I always knew, if a sailboat has enough water, there's plenty of water there for my runabouts and speed boats. Then the the 89-90 recession hit and I ended up in college in Bristol, RI. Every day I would drive home, past the Lobster pot and I would come up on that "L" curve and see that same sailboat, on its mooring, floating so serenely. I knew then that "someday" I would have a sailboat. I would drag friends, date, nieces, nephews, anyone I could commandeer to boat shows with me and climb around on the new boats dreaming of "the day" that would actually have one. Of course, then my dream was to get one and live on it and never look back. That hasn't worked out quite yet. Then, "someday" came when, a buddy gave me a 1979 O'Day 22! and so it began! that free boat cost me about $8K to get her in great shape. I sold it for $4700 LOL that was a good investment! what was that someone said about not too many dummies...? LOL And now, here I am annoying you guys about my 1973 Viking 33! aren't you the lucky ones??!! ain't life grand!? Danny___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Buld File
Thats awful... -- Original Message -- From: "Richard N. Bush" To: kenhea...@gmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Buld File Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 11:11:42 -0400 (EDT) I just spoke with Rob McLaughlin of South Shore; he told they threw them in the dump because that were of no use to him and proceeded to tell me how worthless they were; I asked why he didn't give them to the Great Lakes museum... he would not answer me... I am thoroughly disgusted that he would do such a thing; Ugggh! Richard1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Ken Heaton To: cnc-list Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 5:21 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Buld File Try: serv...@southshoreyachts.com or sa...@southshoreyachts.com http://southshoreyachts.com/Contact UsHave questions for us? We invite you to contact South Shore Yachts using any of the following methods. South Shore Yachts 1544 Four Mile Creek Road Virgil, Ontario, Canada | L0S1T0 Toll Free 1 866 628-4080 Local 905 468-4340 Fax 905 468-1538Hours of OperationMonday to Friday | 9am to 5pm Saturday and Sunday | By Appointment Rob MacLachlan | Owner/Sales Cody Montgomery | Service On 31 October 2013 17:24, Richard N. Bush wrote: >From whom would one order the build file? Many thanks Richard1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Training weather?
where will you be sailing? I wanna come!!! -- Original Message -- From: "dwight" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Training weather? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 16:49:01 -0300 It is easier to change up to more sail in lighter conditions than it is to change down to less sail in heavier conditions...your boat, a 30 MKI I think, is stiff and can handle a full main and No.2 (130-135) headsail but if the wind gets to 20 kts true you will do just as well on a beat with a 110 and maybe the first reef in the main. I think you said you had very little sailing experience altogether and less in heavy winds on your boat so with that background on a beat you might consider starting with the No.3 (110%) and a reefed main, then shake the reef if you feel you want more power and for more power yet change to one of your larger headsails...off the wind even at 20 kts true you will love the full main and No. 1 headsail (150%)...fast fast fast -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Sent: November 1, 2013 4:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Training weather? Thanks, I was hoping for this kind of feed back. I was not sure on the reefing 1 or 2 I do have both. I dont want to cause trouble if its to much I want to be conservitive. But I do want to push the boat to hull speed. Thanks again On 11/1/13, Frederick G Street wrote: > Curtis - based on my seven years' experience on my 30mkI on Lake Superior, > if you start looking at above 15kts, I'd probably go with the 135, with at > least one reef in the main (two if you've got 'em) and see how the boat > handles things. If it feels over-powered, it probably IS over-powered. If > the boat seems to be struggling, you could move down to the 110; but usually > a decently sized headsail and reefs in the main as a first step will work. > FWIW. this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it. :^) > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > > On Nov 1, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Curtis wrote: > >> I'm kind of new at the big boat thing. I have owned it for 2 years now >> and have had some great days sailing but no with any wind really. Well >> this weekend will offer a cold front with some good wind to practice >> in >> Here is what the weather man is calling for. >> >> Sat >> NW winds 15 to 20 kt. Seas 4 to 6 ft...subsiding to 3 to 4 ft in the >> afternoon. A chance of showers...mainly in the morning. >> Sat Night >> NW winds 10 to 15 kt...increasing to 15 to 20 kt after midnight. Seas >> 3 to 4 ft. >> Sun >> N winds 15 to 20 kt. Seas 3 to 4 ft. >> Sun Night >> NE winds 15 to 20 kt. Seas 3 to 4 ft...building to 4 to 5 ft after >> midnight. >> Do you think I would need to reef in this weather? Like I said I have >> had plenty of days in 8 to sa 14 knots of wind. So what's your >> recommendation to a newby in this weather? >> >> Thanks for your help. >> Keep in mind my sail inventory >> 1) Working head 110% sail with 2 reef points. >> 2) Working Main sail >> 3) Racing main sail >> 3) 135% Genoa >> 4) 155% Genoa >> 5) 170% drifter >> 6) asymmetrical kite with sock. >> >> Thanks again for your help. I need anybody's specific advice on how >> the C&C 30 MK1 handles this kind of air. >> >> >> -- >> "Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, >> should really be running the world." - Nicholas Monsarrat >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- "Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world." - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New boat - CS30
Mark, I'm very happy for you! Congrats on your quest closing in on its finish! Best of luck finishing the deal and getting her home! Keep in mind, the insurance company may still require a survey. I had mine surveyed for myself before purchase and the insurance company asked for it to be updated before they would cover Lolita. Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New boat - CS30 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:19:26 -0400 Bob, Had mechanic out looking at the engine - he checked motor mounts for me and said all looked good. Also commented that the engine was running pretty smoothly. Don't think the holding tank was lost to damage - I don't think it ever got put in. I was figuring the replacement would be $1000. As for the cracks. I admit that I'm not a pro - but I don't think they get deep enough into the stringer to be a major issue - you could get a fingernail into the top gap and that would only be 2-3mm deep. At this point I'm not likely going to hire a surveyor. My gut is that the boat is in good shape, and that this issue is quite repairable. Even if the damaged laminate is 5x what I can see from the outside I'm guessing a professional repair would be a couple grand - but I have some fiberglassing experience myself and I'll likely just do it. Again, thanks for all the advice from everyone. While I might not choose the recommended path, all the feedback helps orient me and gets me going in the right direction. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 04/11/2013 12:04 PM, Bob Hickson wrote:I was at the boat yard yesterday and ended up talking with a good friend that has owned a CS 30 for many years…. >He told the story of another CS30 that had been grounded. The “egg >crate” structure above the keel was cracked and damaged (not sure how >bad it was or how it compares to the boat that you saw). A professional repair >job for the damage to this boat was $20,000 several years ago. >He was also aware of another CS30 where the owner did not pump the holding >tank in the fall. Tank froze and split (maybe what happened to your boat???). >Cost to replace the tank was somewhere around $1,000 >His boat and another 2 CS30’s that he keeps in touch with have all >developed problems with motor mounts. Symptoms are excess vibration while >motoring. He has realigned the engine and will replace motor mounts over the >winter. A friend ignored the vibration and ended up destroying the >transmission …. Read big $$$. Do not ignore excess vibration from the >engine….an engine alignment and new mounts are much less costly than a >new transmission The CS30 is a great boat in his opinion. Fast and sea worthy. Slightly more tender than most C&C’s. He loves the boat. As other lister’s have said, your boat seems like a decent deal. However, you need to be aware that there will be costs associated with putting it back in “Bristol Condition”. My only reservation about buying it is the damage from the grounding. Is the damage minor and you can repair the cracks yourself or is there serious structural damage with a $20,000 repair required. I would strongly advise you to have a qualified surveyor / experienced boat yard inspect the hull damage to clarify this issue Best regards, Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA C&C 29-2 Flying Colours Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club Pickering, ON (416) 919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com __/) ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Affordable Boat Act
Maybe we should shut down the whole coast line unless they de-fund this new affordable boat act -- Original Message -- From: David Risch To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List The Affordable Boat Act Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:47:21 -0500 "...and unless we pass this act we won't know what boat we have bought..." David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com From: bushma...@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:41:37 -0500 Subject: Stus-List The Affordable Boat Act Here to get em' stirred up ... (and its boating related!)...applies to USA only... (Disclaimer, this is intended as humor only and is not intended to be political or offensive to anyone, except maybe Nancy Pelosi)Richard1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 The Affordable Boat Act The U.S. government has just passed a new law called: "The affordable boat act" declaring that every citizen MUST purchase a new boat, by April 2014. These "affordable" boats will cost an average of $54,000-$155,000 each. This does not include taxes, trailers, towing fees, licensing and registration fees, fuel, docking and storage fees, maintenance or repair costs. This law has been passed, because until now, typically only wealthy and financially responsible people have been able to purchase boats. This new law ensures that every American can now have a "affordable" boat of their own, because everyone is "entitled" to a new boat. If you purchase your boat before the end of the year, you will receive 4 "free" life jackets; not including monthly usage fees. In order to make sure everyone purchases an affordable boat, the costs of owning a boat will increase on average of 250-400% per year. This way, wealthy people will pay more for something that other people don�t want or can�t afford to maintain. But to be fair, people who can�t afford to maintain their boat will be regularly fined and children (under the age of 26) can use their parents boats to party on until they turn 27; then must purchase their own boat. If you already have a boat, you can keep yours as long as it meets federal minimum essential requirements, including accessories and options people wouldn't otherwise purchase on their own. If you don�t want or don�t need a boat, you are required to buy one anyhow. If you refuse to buy one or can�t afford one, you will be regularly fined $800 until you purchase one or face imprisonment. Failure to use the boat will also result in fines. People living in the desert, ghettos, inner cities or areas with no access to lakes are not exempt. Neither age, motion sickness, experience, knowledge nor lack of desire are acceptable excuses for not using your boat. A government review board (that doesn�t know the difference between the port, starboard or stern of a boat) will decide everything, including; when, where, how often, and for what purposes you can use your boat along with how many people can ride your boat and determine if one is too old or healthy enough to be able to use their boat. They will also decide if your boat has out lived its usefulness or if you must purchase specific accessories,(like a $500 compass) or a newer and more expensive boat. Those that can afford yachts will be required to do so...it's only fair. The government will also decide the name for each boat. Failure to comply with these rules will result in fines and possible imprisonment. Government officials are exempt from this new law. If they want a boat, they and their families can obtain boats free, at the expense of tax payers. Unions, bankers and mega companies with large political affiliations ($$$) are also exempt. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Affordable Boat Act
Well, Teddy isn't using his anymore... -- Original Message -- From: Ed Levert To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List The Affordable Boat Act Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:59:50 + If I ever had the opportunity to come face to face with politicians such as John Kerry or Ted Kennedy, I would take the time to compliment them on their magnificent sailing yachts, then tell them that I only had a lowly 1981 C&C 34, and that I would be certain that with their philosophy of taking from the rich and giving to the poor, that they would gladly give me their boat plus the money for upkeep, etc. Ed Briar Patch New Orleans, La. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. Bush Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 8:42 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List The Affordable Boat Act Here to get em' stirred up ... (and its boating related!)...applies to USA only... (Disclaimer, this is intended as humor only and is not intended to be political or offensive to anyone, except maybe Nancy Pelosi) Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 The Affordable Boat Act The U.S. government has just passed a new law called: "The affordable boat act" declaring that every citizen MUST purchase a new boat, by April 2014. These "affordable" boats will cost an average of $54,000-$155,000 each. This does not include taxes, trailers, towing fees, licensing and registration fees, fuel, docking and storage fees, maintenance or repair costs. This law has been passed, because until now, typically only wealthy and financially responsible people have been able to purchase boats. This new law ensures that every American can now have a "affordable" boat of their own, because everyone is "entitled" to a new boat. If you purchase your boat before the end of the year, you will receive 4 "free" life jackets; not including monthly usage fees. In order to make sure everyone purchases an affordable boat, the costs of owning a boat will increase on average of 250-400% per year. This way, wealthy people will pay more for something that other people don’t want or can’t afford to maintain. But to be fair, people who can’t afford to maintain their boat will be regularly fined and children (under the age of 26) can use their parents boats to party on until they turn 27; then must purchase their own boat. If you already have a boat, you can keep yours as long as it meets federal minimum essential requirements, including accessories and options people wouldn't otherwise purchase on their own. If you don’t want or don’t need a boat, you are required to buy one anyhow. If you refuse to buy one or can’t afford one, you will be regularly fined $800 until you purchase one or face imprisonment. Failure to use the boat will also result in fines. People living in the desert, ghettos, inner cities or areas with no access to lakes are not exempt. Neither age, motion sickness, experience, knowledge nor lack of desire are acceptable excuses for not using your boat. A government review board (that doesn’t know the difference between the port, starboard or stern of a boat) will decide everything, including; when, where, how often, and for what purposes you can use your boat along with how many people can ride your boat and determine if one is too old or healthy enough to be able to use their boat. They will also decide if your boat has out lived its usefulness or if you must purchase specific accessories,(like a $500 compass) or a newer and more expensive boat. Those that can afford yachts will be required to do so...it's only fair. The government will also decide the name for each boat. Failure to comply with these rules will result in fines and possible imprisonment. Government officials are exempt from this new law. If they want a boat, they and their families can obtain boats free, at the expense of tax payers. Unions, bankers and mega companies with large political affiliations ($$$) are also exempt. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing
Okay, I removed the rudder today. It does not weigh much at all, There are no bearings. It is just a fiberglass tube that fits tightly around the 1-7/8" shaft. There were just 2 - 4"x1/4" nylon(?) washers between the pin that holds the rudder in place and the aluminum flange fitting in the cockpit. It really is just hung there. I couldn't help but to think that a SS washer on top of the 2 nylon(?) washers would be a good idea. It was apparent that these washers had been switched around a few times by the marks from the pin on both sides of both nylon(?) washers. So my thoughts ar maybe to just re install it and add a big 'ol fender washer for the pin to rest on. However, my only concern is what the stainless shaft looks like inside the rudder... https://korpoq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pq2xBqhOTnVi8a3qjlKe3d3z5mZu4DLyvgdLO1n4y4kIAj-jz0KUR4EKzhrOKdm1UOBEIjnGtt3_lyaNLYnVRVciZi9tZT2-gzJtkcwoy1K8/2013_132315.jpg In case that link doesn't work, here is a link to a folder with a bunch of boat pics. The photos from today are all the way at the end. Thanks again for any insights, observations or ideas. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Martin DeYoung To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:54:01 + > It doesn't weigh much. Not sure if that is good or bad. < Calypso's displacement is in the 24,000lb range. I have been told the original Bruckmann built rudder was lost in the early 70's on the way to Bermuda. The replacement rudder may be overbuilt but I do not worry it will fail under any conditions we are likely to push Calypso into in the near future. Much of the rig and steering related gear on the early Bruckmann built 43's appears to be the same spec as what was used on the early 61's. The lower rudder bearing assembly is cast bronze and bolts on from the outside. Think 2' long and 1' wide, faired into the hull shape, penetrating 1' into the hull with a machined load bearing collar/stuffing box assembly on top. Frick'n massive, and heavy. Given that we mostly race Calypso these days and the propensity for light air in the PNW a lighter rudder may not be bad. Having said that our last day of racing saw steady winds in the mid 20's and gusts close to 30. The rudder/steering gear work this summer was a comfort as we ducked a starboard tacker with maybe a little too much mainsheet on. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 10:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing OTOH I can carry my rudder around myself. It doesn't weigh much. Not sure if that is good or bad. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing > I guess I should commandeer a couple people to help drop that rudder.< When dropping Calypso's rudder (large fiberglass over balsa with 3" dia. SS heavy wall tube shaft) this summer we used 4 to 5 people. My guess is it weighs 200 to 250 lbs. We were just barely able to clear the pavement with the boat in its normal yard position. The backup plan was to spend the $$ to have the travel lift raise Calypso to give us the extra clearance. We had cushioning material under the rudder in case it slipped from our grip and set up blocks to stabilize it 1/2 way out to allow for re-positioning of the muscle. Prior to this summer's rudder repair project I dreaded the need to drop it out of the boat. Now that I have done it the project seems no worse than any other yard project. The more difficult part was working in the tight spaces around the quadrant. Do take pictures and measurements of how the steering gear is set up. I should have taken much better measurements of the position of the quadrant to avoid having to make a 3/8" adjustment to perfect the steering cable alignment. Calypso's rudder bearing assemblies are much different than those described for a Viking 33 but I did perform a complete inspection of the shaft and the bearing surfaces looking for wear and corrosion. I made detailed measurements of the rudder and shaft in case of future repairs. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing "what, it's the first hole I dug?" the 33 came with a tiller too. Mine was converted over to a wheel but, the tiller fitting is still there
Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing
Oops, I forgot the link to the folder... http://sdrv.ms/1bpnvZh Danny -- Original Message -- From: "djhaug...@juno.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:53:25 GMT Okay, I removed the rudder today. It does not weigh much at all, There are no bearings. It is just a fiberglass tube that fits tightly around the 1-7/8" shaft. There were just 2 - 4"x1/4" nylon(?) washers between the pin that holds the rudder in place and the aluminum flange fitting in the cockpit. It really is just hung there. I couldn't help but to think that a SS washer on top of the 2 nylon(?) washers would be a good idea. It was apparent that these washers had been switched around a few times by the marks from the pin on both sides of both nylon(?) washers. So my thoughts ar maybe to just re install it and add a big 'ol fender washer for the pin to rest on. However, my only concern is what the stainless shaft looks like inside the rudder... https://korpoq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pq2xBqhOTnVi8a3qjlKe3d3z5mZu4DLyvgdLO1n4y4kIAj-jz0KUR4EKzhrOKdm1UOBEIjnGtt3_lyaNLYnVRVciZi9tZT2-gzJtkcwoy1K8/2013_132315.jpg In case that link doesn't work, here is a link to a folder with a bunch of boat pics. The photos from today are all the way at the end. Thanks again for any insights, observations or ideas. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Martin DeYoung To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:54:01 + > It doesn't weigh much. Not sure if that is good or bad. < Calypso's displacement is in the 24,000lb range. I have been told the original Bruckmann built rudder was lost in the early 70's on the way to Bermuda. The replacement rudder may be overbuilt but I do not worry it will fail under any conditions we are likely to push Calypso into in the near future. Much of the rig and steering related gear on the early Bruckmann built 43's appears to be the same spec as what was used on the early 61's. The lower rudder bearing assembly is cast bronze and bolts on from the outside. Think 2' long and 1' wide, faired into the hull shape, penetrating 1' into the hull with a machined load bearing collar/stuffing box assembly on top. Frick'n massive, and heavy. Given that we mostly race Calypso these days and the propensity for light air in the PNW a lighter rudder may not be bad. Having said that our last day of racing saw steady winds in the mid 20's and gusts close to 30. The rudder/steering gear work this summer was a comfort as we ducked a starboard tacker with maybe a little too much mainsheet on. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 10:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing OTOH I can carry my rudder around myself. It doesn't weigh much. Not sure if that is good or bad. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing > I guess I should commandeer a couple people to help drop that rudder.< When dropping Calypso's rudder (large fiberglass over balsa with 3" dia. SS heavy wall tube shaft) this summer we used 4 to 5 people. My guess is it weighs 200 to 250 lbs. We were just barely able to clear the pavement with the boat in its normal yard position. The backup plan was to spend the $$ to have the travel lift raise Calypso to give us the extra clearance. We had cushioning material under the rudder in case it slipped from our grip and set up blocks to stabilize it 1/2 way out to allow for re-positioning of the muscle. Prior to this summer's rudder repair project I dreaded the need to drop it out of the boat. Now that I have done it the project seems no worse than any other yard project. The more difficult part was working in the tight spaces around the quadrant. Do take pictures and measurements of how the steering gear is set up. I should have taken much better measurements of the position of the quadrant to avoid having to make a 3/8" adjustment to perfect the steering cable alignment. Calypso's rudder bearing assemblies are much different than those described for a Viking 33 but I did perform a complete inspection of the shaft and the bearing surfaces looking for wear and corrosion. I made detailed measurements of the rudder and shaft in case of future repairs. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent:
Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing
I'm going to have to look closer but, all I could really see was the fiberglass tube with an aluminum flange at the top and the rudder basically hangs by a pin from there. 2 1/2" thick teflon looking "washers" keep the pin off the aluminum and pretty much ride on each other to reduce friction. I was thinking of just adding an SS washer to try and distribute the point loads from the pin. I'm thinking a should just replace those 2 teflon looking washers as long as I have it apart. But, honestly, I think they would work just fine. I think the idea is just to keep thinks nice and slippery up at the top. Although, a nice tight fit would keep it from moving about. Maybe I should take some good measurements with a caliper and have something machined for the top and the bottom? It's obvious this rudder has been removed a number of times. I'm wondering whether or not it would get dropped every few years to add anti fouling between the hull and the rudder. So, maybe I get 1'-0" length of 3-5/8" delrin rod and have all those pieces fabricated at a machine shop? Then,slap it all back together? I keep thinking I should improve upon what is there just because I have it all apart. -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:50:49 -0800 (PST) I had a new upper rudder bearing made for Touche' from 1/2 inch thick Delrin. Any decent machinist should be able to do it. The next one I have made will be from 1 inch or 2 pieces of 1/2 inch to increase the bearing surface. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Jim Watts To: 1 CnC List Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Those bearing discs are probably Delrin, aka Acetal. I think Dennis C. and/or Joe D.B. scored some made from PEEK or some such...you can make them yourself from sheet stock or have a machine shop mill them out. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing
well, I don't know exactly how much play. I just know there is play. Yea I can lift the rudder a 1/4". I could also go to 2- 3/16" thick delrin washers if I was worried. Or I could just have 2 of each made and play around with it. At the bottom, it could actually have been play at the top and when I was pulling on the rudder, the point where the rudder exits the hull could have been a fulcrum point and only appeared to be sloppy. I'll have to take some careful measures it seems... Danny -- Original Message -- From: Joel Aronson To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:45:24 -0500 Dan, How much play is there? �Looks like a pretty tight fit without a bearing. �Can you lift up the rudder 1/4 inch to compensate for the SS washer?� Joel On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Jim Watts wrote: 3 5/8" Delrin rod could be hard to come by, 4" is probably the closest you'll find (even at McMaster-Carr). But it does machine beautifully so you could turn it to size on a lathe. My rudder is essentially the same construction except it has a knurled nut on top that rides on the Delrin instead of a pin. On 12 November 2013 10:31, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:I'm going to have to look closer but, all I could really see was the fiberglass tube with an aluminum flange at the top and the rudder basically hangs by a pin from there. �2 1/2" thick teflon looking "washers" keep the pin off the aluminum and pretty much ride on each other to reduce friction. �I was thinking of just adding an SS washer to try and distribute the point loads from the pin. �I'm thinking a should just replace those 2 teflon looking washers as long as I have it apart. �But, honestly, I think they would work just fine. �I think the idea is just to keep thinks nice and slippery up at the top. �Although, a nice tight fit would keep it from moving about. �Maybe I should take some good measurements with a caliper and have something machined for the top and the bottom?�It's obvious this rudder has been removed a number of times. �I'm wondering whether or not it would get dropped every few years to add anti fouling between the hull and the rudder. ��So, maybe I get 1'-0" length of 3-5/8" delrin rod and have all those pieces fabricated at a machine shop? �Then,slap it all back together? ��I keep thinking I should improve upon what is there just because I have it all apart.�� -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearingDate: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:50:49 -0800 (PST) I had a new upper rudder bearing made for Touche' from 1/2 inch thick Delrin.� Any decent machinist should be able to do it.� The next one I have made will be from 1 inch or 2 pieces of 1/2 inch to increase the bearing surface. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA �� From: Jim Watts To: 1 CnC List Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Those bearing discs are probably Delrin, aka Acetal. I think Dennis C. and/or Joe D.B. scored some made from PEEK or some such...you can make them yourself from sheet stock or have a machine shop mill them out.��___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing
there was nothing between the rudder and the hull and maybe a 1/4" to 3/8" gap. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:28:06 + While you have the rudder out, did you notice if there was a plastic washer (delrin or nylon) between your rudder and hull? It's probably worth replacing, if there was one. Not having one can cause your rudder to bounce up and down in rough seas. Wal ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Broken Strut
So, my prop strut was broken when they hauled my boat this year. I got, "did you know your strut was broken? You must have had terrible vibrations." I didn't have any that I noticed. Then he says, " maybe you should go to a regular prop" I said " that set up has been on the boat 40 years without an issue..." Anyway. They say that they can't just buy a replacement and that i need to have one fabricated! for $530!!! OUCH! DAnny___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Broken Strut
The guy at the yard checked buck algonquin with no luck. I did look around and there was no apparent neglect. However, they had already powerwashed everything by the time I got to see it. It is obvious they are not owning up to it and I have no reason to think otherwise except the fact that there was no noticeable change while motoring... I just heard from him and he going to try and get me a photo of it. The guy at Holland Marine said he might have some old stock laying around and might be able to match it up. I'm assuming this isn't the only boat that used this strut... Danny -- Original Message -- From: Jim Watts To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Broken Strut Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:27:16 -0800 Have you checked Buck Algonquin for a match? http://catalog.buckalgonquin.com/category/struts-1 On 15 November 2013 09:03, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: �So, my prop strut was broken when they hauled my boat this year. �I got, "did you know your strut was broken? �You must have had terrible vibrations." �I didn't have any that I noticed. �Then he says, " maybe you should go to a regular prop" �I said " that set up has been on the boat 40 years without an issue..."�Anyway. �They say that they can't just buy a replacement and that i need to have one fabricated! � for $530!!! �OUCH!�DAnny ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Broken Strut
No, not really. the break was slightly, even green. The boat was hauled for about 2 weeks before I got to look at it T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: "Russ & Melody" To: Subject: Stus-List Broken Strut Date: Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:33 pm Hi Danny, In most cases it is pretty obvious if the joint has been exposed to seawater and/or oxygen for any length of time. A "bright" bronze is recent exposure. Normal power washing won't clean up tarnish. Any indication of fresh bronze in the broken area? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 11:03 AM 15/11/2013, you wrote: The guy at the yard checked buck algonquin with no luck. I did look around and there was no apparent neglect. However, they had already powerwashed everything by the time I got to see it. It is obvious they are not owning up to it and I have no reason to think otherwise except the fact that there was no noticeable change while motoring... I just heard from him and he going to try and get me a photo of it. The guy at Holland Marine said he might have some old stock laying around and might be able to match it up. I'm assuming this isn't the only boat that used this strut... Danny -- Original Message -- From: Jim Watts To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Broken Strut Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:27:16 -0800 Have you checked Buck Algonquin for a match? http://catalog.buckalgonquin.com/category/struts-1 On 15 November 2013 09:03, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: So, my prop strut was broken when they hauled my boat this year. I got, "did you know your strut was broken? You must have had terrible vibrations." I didn't have any that I noticed. Then he says, " maybe you should go to a regular prop" I said " that set up has been on the boat 40 years without an issue..." Anyway. They say that they can't just buy a replacement and that i need to have one fabricated! for $530!!! OUCH! DAnny ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Broken strut
yea that is my fear in a repair as well. That maybe the bronze has been compromised... and it may break again. I notice in one of my photos a discoloration in that area of the strut., http://sdrv.ms/17iYlwd I'm thinking it was just old and the composition changed... Danny -- Original Message -- From: Rick Bushie To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Broken strut Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:02:42 -0500 My strut broke 2 years ago. It was the design that bolted onto the bottom. When I couldn't find a new one, I took it into a shop for repair. It turned out beautifully! Then it broke right above the repair the first time I engaged the reversing gear. I wound up installing a through hull design. Rick Bushie Anchovy 1971 30-1 Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Broken strut
here is another question; If i'm going to spend $530 to have a new one made, are there any improvement I can make on the original design? I guess the original lasted 40 years (I'm assumimg it is original) so, it is probably safe to say the design is sufficient. LOL Danny -- Original Message -- From: Rick Bushie To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Broken strut Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:02:42 -0500 My strut broke 2 years ago. It was the design that bolted onto the bottom. When I couldn't find a new one, I took it into a shop for repair. It turned out beautifully! Then it broke right above the repair the first time I engaged the reversing gear. I wound up installing a through hull design. Rick Bushie Anchovy 1971 30-1 Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Broken strut
So, Ontario yachts are still in business. I decided I would take a chance and and send them an email. i found an email address on the Etchells site. I asked them if they had info that would be helpful in my search for a new prop strut. To my surprise I got a response this morning. I was told the struts were mostly custom castings and that those forms would have been destroyed shortly after the boats went out of production in the early 80s At least I don't have to try and find one any longer. So the solution still remains to be, either, a custom casting, repair the broken strut, or fab a new strut from Stainless. There is a repair shop on the north shore of Massachusetts. They do repairs and custom work. Maybe the best bet is to send it there and have them advise in the most cost effective, viable solution. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Broken strut Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:02:17 + And, actually, I have a SS prop, which has lasted far longer than any bronze prop I've ever owned. After buying my fourth bronze prop, I said heck with it and bought this Autostream prop. It was just a hot marina, though. Heck, these days I go through a zinc every two or three years... No electrical problems on the boat. Wal you wrote: > Prop shafts are stainless, they spend a lot of time under water, including > under seawater� ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Broken strut
I did not, All the ones I saw there seems to either be either the universal style where is seems to penetrate the hull or their base plates are flat. The base plate on mine is "V" shaped. Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Coleman" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Broken strut Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:21:03 -0500 Did you go through the entire exercise on Buck Algonquin? Looks like you can input your angle, offsets, diameter, etc and it will pick out a strut for you. Bill Coleman C&C 39 - So, Ontario yachts are still in business. I decided I would take a chance and and send them an email. i found an email address on the Etchells site. I asked them if they had info that would be helpful in my search for a new prop strut. To my surprise I got a response this morning. I was told the struts were mostly custom castings and that those forms would have been destroyed shortly after the boats went out of production in the early 80s At least I don't have to try and find one any longer. So the solution still remains to be, either, a custom casting, repair the broken strut, or fab a new strut from Stainless. There is a repair shop on the north shore of Massachusetts. They do repairs and custom work. Maybe the best bet is to send it there and have them advise in the most cost effective, viable solution. Danny ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New boat - actually own it now!
Mark, Congratulations!!! Good luck!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List New boat - actually own it now! Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:23:18 -0400 So the deed is done. I decided to throw caution into the wind and I now own a 1986 CS 30. The PO was not interested in any further negotiation despite my finding a few issues - but I feel like I had a good price and that this was a good boat for me, so I just went for it. Was down at the boat on Sunday - doing some cleaning. Got some pictures of the cracks in the ribs. https://picasaweb.google.com/110611663409773219866/DropBox?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKGJ-8HGzvSpJg&feat=directlink Not great, but not to serious (IMHO). I see a bit of fiberglass work in my future to stiffen those back up. - Comments from the CS list indicate that the ribs are a liner, not structurally part of the hull. Otherwise everything looks quite good. Bow stem does not appear to have cracks (as best I can see without removing the forestay). CS list recommended the cockpit drainpipes needing a good check - while they look watertight I can see some serious cracking - those will need to be replaced. It was recommended that I should pull the fuel tank and clean it - looking at it yesterday I see that it was stored for 2 yrs at only 1/8 full - so all the more reason to look closely. Mechanic was able to start the engine fairly easily and ran it for 45min - so it can't be too bad, but hate to find sludge getting stirred up when I do the 12 hr trip home in the spring (boat is 100km away by water). The good news - easy to empty with only a bit of fuel!!! Question - there is an older "water/fuel" filter on the boat (not Rancor - at least I couldn't see that name on it anywhere) - it's mounted pretty low in the cockpit locker (even with the fuel tank) - it would be really hard to access and change the filter etc in any type of weather -- are there better locations? Wonder if I might want to go to a plastic fuel tank rather than stainless? I didn't see any signs of leaking (few pictures of underneath). The big cleaning job was a nasty sticky brown film all through the bilge. Didn't smell like diesel - but maybe it's really OLD diesel that has been stuck there forever. Came up not bad with Mr. Clean and a few hours of elbow grease! Lots to do - but getting too cold to do much! Mark -- - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Happy Thanksgiving
In case I don't get a chance later...Happy Thanksgiving, all! I'm thankful for Stu, for this list, and all you guys and your advice and banter! All the best! Danny___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List : new boat, 1985 C&C 37
That's amazing Richard! Congratulations! How long ago did you buy your first C&C? Best of luck getting her into the water this spring! Danny T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: "Rich Knowles" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List : new boat, 1985 C&C 37 Date: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 3:00 am Well done, Richard! A true bear for punishment! Rich On Dec 13, 2013, at 1:37, "Richard N. Bush" wrote: Hello friends; I am happy to let you know that I have just received delivery of my fourth (yes 4th!), C&C; a 1985 37; centerboard model. We had many issues getting it trucked in from Newburyport, MA; mostly weather related, but some delays due to the trucking company. It is in pretty good shape, however, because we're in this deep freeze I wont be able to make a really good assessment of what needs to be done until it warms up a bit. I will have a million questions then! A C&C is a novelty here on the Ohio River; the only ones anyone around here have seen have been those which we have brought in; first we brought a 1982 25 from Austin Texas; then a 1985 29-2 from Cleveland; then a 1987 33-2 from Jacksonville, Fl, and now the 37; the 29 went to Tennessee, but the 25 is still here; and of course the 33-2 is up for sale-I am what the realtors call a "motivated seller"!; The local guys asked me why I stayed with the C&C; I thought about it; originally I bought the 25 without knowing anything about C&C's other than a general reputation for being quality boats; after I had the boat a while, I was impressed by the workmanship on the 25 so when I wanted to move up, I looked at the 29s; then when we wanted something bigger, I went for the sailing ability of the 33-2; now, I figure I have enough research knowledge (mostly through the collective wisdom of this group) and hands-on experience that I couldn't go wrong in staying in the C&C line. The truth is, I looked at other brands and simple kept coming back to the C&C; as someone said in the recent thread about taxes; the C&Cs are the best bang for your buck and they sail better than anything else out there. Many thanks, Richard 1985 37; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com9 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Merry Christmas to all
And to you! ...and all of you. Stu, I know you hear it a lot but, thank you so much for this forum and all you do to keep it up and running... All the best guys! Danny T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: "Leslie Paal" To: Subject: Stus-List Merry Christmas to all Date: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:17 pm ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winch replacement, holes, etc.
Defender has a spring sale every year in march I believe. Its like a mini bat show. LewMar was offering some really good deals last year. If I recall it was like half off MSRP. If you aren't in any great hurry but, want them fir this year you may want to wait and see the prices at the spring sale. Danny. T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: blhick...@yahoo.com To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List Winch replacement, holes, etc. Date: Sat, Dec 28, 2013 8:42 am Thank you thank you thank you for all the great advice, suggestions and cautionary tales. I've got a bit more homework to do but I like the idea of winch pads if necessary. (I've seen them for ages, why didn't I think of that?!). Thx for the polishing suggestions too, Dennis. Aside from waxing and buffing, haven't messed with the gel coat. Will post a pic of finished work whenever that great day arrives. And now... Aside from the fall boat show discounts, is there any other time of year that is good for discounts. Defender looks like the best prices right now. Cheers, Barbara Hickson Fellers Flight Risk, 33-1 Charleston, SC. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List HNY
HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR ALL!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: Rich Knowles To: cnc-list Cnc-List Subject: Stus-List HNY Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:00:43 -0400 All the best to everyone! Only another 4 months of winter to endure:) Rich ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
I'm at FL Tripp's marina in the westport River and they seem to have moorings. Although, this year they are saying that they are getting moor renters.It's a little tricky getting in and out of the river but you can be at Cuttyhunk in a couple hours and over to Martha's vineyard in about 6 hours. The Elizabeth chain of islands offers some nice anchoring. Although, I'm pretty new to the area and have not been to any of them yet. But I hear all the talk! I love it there and Westport and South Dartmouth are beautiful places to live. Very rural though. But you can be in providence in 40 minutes from the shore and Boston in about an hour. Tiverton RI is right there too. Bristol is great! I lived there during college and go back every summer for restaurants and walking around. It is a daysail to get out to buzzard's Bay. Jamestown is also really great! If you're on the north side your pretty well protected. Narragansett bay is really great fro destination sailing. Bristol, Newport, Fall river, Wickford... Sometimes the wind doesn't make it in there though... I sailed out of MT. hope bay my first 5-6 years sailing an O'day 22. There some great places to just anchor and hang out too. Very protected! My feeling is, you can't go wrong anywhere in the area. summers here are amazing!!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Joe Della Barba" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:53:39 -0500 My family has lived in the Little Compton/Westport area for ages. I like the Westport River. You have a fun island in the entrance to dinghy over to and some really nice ocean beaches. Can’t say how easy it is to get a mooring or a slip right now. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
Dave, did you really mean 55K? I want one of those!!! If that's true I'll be moving to Bristol!!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "David Jacobs" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:38:17 -0500 Bob, My wife and I faced the exact same dilemma last year. Since I sailed out of the New Bedford YC many years ago we were looking at Padanarum/South Dartmouth on Buzzards Bay. We went to the Boston Boat Show and ran into a realtor there who put up a display. We told him what we were looking for and he suggested Bristol which up to them was only a sign I passes when we’d drive to Newport. We visited Bristol and found that it had everything we were looking for, restaurants, the Herreshorf Museum, Linden Place, Blythwold Mansion, The Bristol Yacht Club which is very much a sailors yacht club, a 14 mile long bicycle trail that runs along the water all the way to Providence, beaches at Colt Park all in a very compact walkable town. Roger Williams University is also there which brings young people and culture. Finally the town is host to the longest continually running (238 years) 4th of July parade in the country and several weeks of concerts and fireworks leading up to the 4th.. We liked it so much we ended up purchasing a home there that was built in 1845 and we’re totaling renovating it. There are several homes available in town for less than $55K that are within walking distance to the restaurants (some of them quite good) and shops. We’ve been amazed at how many people retire in Bristol. Many of these folks are young active retirees and a lot of the social life revolves around the yacht club and the Herreshorf museum. In fact there seem to be a lot of college kids and a lot of 60 somethings and not a lot in between because the people who grow up in the area all move to Barrington and the schools there when they have school age kids. There is an event at the Yacht Club sometime in January for people who might be interested in joining. You might want to call the Stewart there to find out more details. Good luck, Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK III From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 6:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives I’m interested in locals’ opinions of good towns to retire to and good harbor suggestions to move my C&C to in the So New England area. We sailed our C&C 33-II for the past 22 years and last year moved up to a C&C 110 (6.5’ draft) with the intent of moving from the Midwest “back” in the next ~2-3 years to the southern New England area to retire and do more sailing. (I say “back” since I grew up sailing in NJ with many summers out to Nantucket. My parents lived in Newport for awhile too, so the area from ~Block I to Nantucket became the center of my interest and we’ve chartered there many times in the years since moving to St Louis.) Any thoughts of CT, RI or MA preferences? This may be mostly an issue of tax differences but are there some other state-wide issues someone might suggest for consideration? Our thinking regarding towns from afar is either the Narragansett Bay area or the northeastern shore of Buzzard’s Bay. It would be ideal to spend less than $500k for a 3-4 BR house or condo near the water/boat. Reasonable access to a major airport would be a plus too but not under the approach/departure flight path (an issue for the Providence airport/Greenwich area?), as well as nice shore activities such as theater etc. The early short-list to explore is below, though I’m curious what gem we’re overlooking or perhaps areas to eliminate. At one point moorings in some harbors had long wait lists. Is that still the case? What about the moorings themselves, are some harbors know for good facilities/better holding ground? Are helical screw mooring fields the way to go? I thought I read some towns were installing them. (Our family lost one boat to a hurricane when she dragged her mushroom anchor up onto a sea wall). In RI: Bristol or the East Greenwich/Warwick area, though I wonder if it’s a bit far up the bay to get out to the islands quickly (though I like the idea of some protected sailing for the more blustery days). Bristol appears open to storms but I like the town and harbor area. Newport would be great but I fear I’d grow weary of the summer crowds. Jamestown seems too open. Anyone know about Melville? Wickford? In MA: Marion or Padanaram seem possibly idea, and I love insight to these. What about Mattapoisett? Is my thinking that getting onto the Cape is asking for traffic and crowd headaches correct? In CT: Stonington (though getting a bit east, our daughter lives in Newton MA- but right on I-95 maybe no further away by car than say, Marion...) I’d welcome any thoughts
Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
Dammit...I already started packing up the house! -- Original Message -- From: "David Jacobs" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 13:11:16 -0500 Whoops, that’ll be $500K. But in fact there are several 3 bedroom places in the $400’s. Dave From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Dave, did you really mean 55K? I want one of those!!! If that's true I'll be moving to Bristol!!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "David Jacobs" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:38:17 -0500 Bob, My wife and I faced the exact same dilemma last year. Since I sailed out of the New Bedford YC many years ago we were looking at Padanarum/South Dartmouth on Buzzards Bay. We went to the Boston Boat Show and ran into a realtor there who put up a display. We told him what we were looking for and he suggested Bristol which up to them was only a sign I passes when we’d drive to Newport. We visited Bristol and found that it had everything we were looking for, restaurants, the Herreshorf Museum, Linden Place, Blythwold Mansion, The Bristol Yacht Club which is very much a sailors yacht club, a 14 mile long bicycle trail that runs along the water all the way to Providence, beaches at Colt Park all in a very compact walkable town. Roger Williams University is also there which brings young people and culture. Finally the town is host to the longest continually running (238 years) 4th of July parade in the country and several weeks of concerts and fireworks leading up to the 4th.. We liked it so much we ended up purchasing a home there that was built in 1845 and we’re totaling renovating it. There are several homes available in town for less than $55K that are within walking distance to the restaurants (some of them quite good) and shops. We’ve been amazed at how many people retire in Bristol. Many of these folks are young active retirees and a lot of the social life revolves around the yacht club and the Herreshorf museum. In fact there seem to be a lot of college kids and a lot of 60 somethings and not a lot in between because the people who grow up in the area all move to Barrington and the schools there when they have school age kids. There is an event at the Yacht Club sometime in January for people who might be interested in joining. You might want to call the Stewart there to find out more details. Good luck, Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK III From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 6:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives I’m interested in locals’ opinions of good towns to retire to and good harbor suggestions to move my C&C to in the So New England area. We sailed our C&C 33-II for the past 22 years and last year moved up to a C&C 110 (6.5’ draft) with the intent of moving from the Midwest “back” in the next ~2-3 years to the southern New England area to retire and do more sailing. (I say “back” since I grew up sailing in NJ with many summers out to Nantucket. My parents lived in Newport for awhile too, so the area from ~Block I to Nantucket became the center of my interest and we’ve chartered there many times in the years since moving to St Louis.) Any thoughts of CT, RI or MA preferences? This may be mostly an issue of tax differences but are there some other state-wide issues someone might suggest for consideration? Our thinking regarding towns from afar is either the Narragansett Bay area or the northeastern shore of Buzzard’s Bay. It would be ideal to spend less than $500k for a 3-4 BR house or condo near the water/boat. Reasonable access to a major airport would be a plus too but not under the approach/departure flight path (an issue for the Providence airport/Greenwich area?), as well as nice shore activities such as theater etc. The early short-list to explore is below, though I’m curious what gem we’re overlooking or perhaps areas to eliminate. At one point moorings in some harbors had long wait lists. Is that still the case? What about the moorings themselves, are some harbors know for good facilities/better holding ground? Are helical screw mooring fields the way to go? I thought I read some towns were installing them. (Our family lost one boat to a hurricane when she dragged her mushroom anchor up onto a sea wall). In RI: Bristol or the East Greenwich/Warwick area, though I wonder if it’s a bit far up the bay to get out to the islands quickly (though I like the idea of some protected sailing for the more blustery
Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
Holy crap... I want to go there I wish I could retire now! Just one lucky lottery ticket away... LOL -- Original Message -- From: "Rick Brass" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:24:45 -0500 Damn! There are eleven three bedroom places here in Washington, NC �in the $40s. In fact, I’ll sell you my 1400 square foot 3 bedroom on � acre of land for $65, such is the local market. And I’ll even set you up with a slip for your boat at the local country club – about 1 mile away – where you can sail 12 months a year for under $3500 a year. Or you could buy a bigger, newer place with a deeded slip for a bit over $200k. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Jacobs Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Whoops, that’ll be $500K. But in fact there are several 3 bedroom places in the $400’s. Dave From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Dave, did you really mean 55K? I want one of those!!! If that's true I'll be moving to Bristol!!! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "David Jacobs" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:38:17 -0500 Bob, My wife and I faced the exact same dilemma last year. Since I sailed out of the New Bedford YC many years ago we were looking at Padanarum/South Dartmouth on Buzzards Bay. We went to the Boston Boat Show and ran into a realtor there who put up a display. We told him what we were looking for and he suggested Bristol which up to them was only a sign I passes when we’d drive to Newport. We visited Bristol and found that it had everything we were looking for, restaurants, the Herreshorf Museum, Linden Place, Blythwold Mansion, The Bristol Yacht Club which is very much a sailors yacht club, a 14 mile long bicycle trail that runs along the water all the way to Providence, beaches at Colt Park all in a very compact walkable town. Roger Williams University is also there which brings young people and culture. Finally the town is host to the longest continually running (238 years) 4th of July parade in the country and several weeks of concerts and fireworks leading up to the 4th.. We liked it so much we ended up purchasing a home there that was built in 1845 and we’re totaling renovating it. There are several homes available in town for less than $55K that are within walking distance to the restaurants (some of them quite good) and shops. We’ve been amazed at how many people retire in Bristol. Many of these folks are young active retirees and a lot of the social life revolves around the yacht club and the Herreshorf museum. In fact there seem to be a lot of college kids and a lot of 60 somethings and not a lot in between because the people who grow up in the area all move to Barrington and the schools there when they have school age kids. There is an event at the Yacht Club sometime in January for people who might be interested in joining. You might want to call the Stewart there to find out more details. Good luck, Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK III From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 6:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives I’m interested in locals’ opinions of good towns to retire to and good harbor suggestions to move my C&C to in the So New England area. We sailed our C&C 33-II for the past 22 years and last year moved up to a C&C 110 (6.5’ draft) with the intent of moving from the Midwest “back” in the next ~2-3 years to the southern New England area to retire and do more sailing. (I say “back” since I grew up sailing in NJ with many summers out to Nantucket. My parents lived in Newport for awhile too, so the area from ~Block I to Nantucket became the center of my interest and we’ve chartered there many times in the years since moving to St Louis.) Any thoughts of CT, RI or MA preferences? This may be mostly an issue of tax differences but are there some other state-wide issues someone might suggest for consideration? Our thinking regarding towns from afar is either the Narragansett Bay area or the northeastern shore of Buzzard’s Bay. It would be ideal to spend less than $500k for a 3-4 BR house or condo near the water/boat. Reasonable access to a major airport would be a plus too but not under the approach/departure flight path (an issue for the Providence airport/Greenwich area?), as well as nice shore activities such as theater etc. The ea
Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
So True!!! I need to get a grip!! LOL Funny you should say that... I just happen to have my Dad's old 1982 Ford I'm fixing up to drive around. My problem is my addiction to toys -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis C." To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:36:09 -0800 (PST) Danny, Retirement is a life style decision. If you are OK with living in a used single wide trailer in southern Mississippi and driving a rusty old 1983 pick up truck, you can retire now. :) If you want that new Lexus every year and that fancy house, keep on working. I like my pick up truck. :) (Just teasing) Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA From: "djhaug...@juno.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Holy crap... I want to go there I wish I could retire now! Just one lucky lottery ticket away... LOL-- Original Message --From: "Rick Brass" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectivesDate: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:24:45 -0500Damn! There are eleven three bedroom places here in Washington, NC �in the $40s. In fact, I’ll sell you my 1400 square foot 3 bedroom on � acre of land for $65, such is the local market. And I’ll even set you up with a slip for your boat at the local country club – about 1 mile away – where you can sail 12 months a year for under $3500 a year. Or you could buy a bigger, newer place with a deeded slip for a bit over $200k. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David JacobsSent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:11 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Whoops, that’ll be $500K. But in fact there are several 3 bedroom places in the $400’s. Dave From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaughey@juno.comSent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:55 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Dave, did you really mean 55K? I want one of those!!! If that's true I'll be moving to Bristol!!! Danny-- Original Message --From: "David Jacobs" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectivesDate: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:38:17 -0500Bob, My wife and I faced the exact same dilemma last year. Since I sailed out of the New Bedford YC many years ago we were looking at Padanarum/South Dartmouth on Buzzards Bay. We went to the Boston Boat Show and ran into a realtor there who put up a display. We told him what we were looking for and he suggested Bristol which up to them was only a sign I passes when we’d drive to Newport. We visited Bristol and found that it had everything we were looking for, restaurants, the Herreshorf Museum, Linden Place, Blythwold Mansion, The Bristol Yacht Club which is very much a sailors yacht club, a 14 mile long bicycle trail that runs along the water all the way to Providence, beaches at Colt Park all in a very compact walkable town. Roger Williams University is also there which brings young people and culture. Finally the town is host to the longest continually running (238 years) 4th of July parade in the country and several weeks of concerts and fireworks leading up to the 4th.. We liked it so much we ended up purchasing a home there that was built in 1845 and we’re totaling renovating it. There are several homes available in town for less than $55K that are within walking distance to the restaurants (some of them quite good) and shops. We’ve been amazed at how many people retire in Bristol. Many of these folks are young active retirees and a lot of the social life revolves around the yacht club and the Herreshorf museum. In fact there seem to be a lot of college kids and a lot of 60 somethings and not a lot in between because the people who grow up in the area all move to Barrington and the schools there when they have school age kids. There is an event at the Yacht Club sometime in January for people who might be interested in joining. You might want to call the Stewart there to find out more details. Good luck,Dave SaltaireC&C 35 MK III From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob McLaughlinSent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 6:09 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives I’m interested in locals’ opinions of good towns to retire to and good harbor suggestions to move my C&C to in the So New England area. We sailed our C&C 33-II for the past 22 years and last year moved up to a C&C 110 (6.5’ draft) with the intent of moving from the Midwest “back” in the next ~2-3 years to the southern New England area to retire
Re: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner
Hi Mac! welcome! Seems you'll be a wealth of useful information!! DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: "Martin \\"Mac\\" McKenzie" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 18:13:20 -0800 (PST) Hello All, I have a 1983 C&C 37 that I purchased 2 years ago from RCR yachts in Buffalo. It was named IMPACT and prior to that it was named FREEDOM SONG. I have named it WORTHY PEARL. I sail it on Lake Ontario out of Etobicoke Yacht Club. Prior to this boat I had a Niagara 26 WAVE WALKER that I sailed for 31 years. My son has taken ownership of it now. I am still getting used to her but I think the boat sails extremely well. I have made a number of changes to the running rigging, having everything coming back to the cockpit. I sail mainly short handed and do a lot of single handed racing. My goal this year is to do the Lake Ontario 300 single handed with spinnaker. The biggest change I am making over the winter is moving the traveler from the cabin top to the cockpit. I found that the mid boom sheeting could not trim the main properly. With a loose footed main, the boom would bend and not tighten the leach. I will let you all know if it works. I will keep the original traveler on the cabin top just in case. Mac McKenzie1983 C&C 37 Worthy Pearl___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Lewmar winches on sale
yea the 2 for 1 is usually referring to MSRP and you can usually beat the hell out of MSRP pricing if you wait for good sale. still half off MSRP is pretty great price! -- Original Message -- From: "Peter Fell" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Lewmar winches on sale Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:23:06 -0800 Here is the pricing ... it’s not directly available on the marine outfitters website – I got this via email from them: http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs147/1102741444792/archive/1116167405200.html Actually I don’t think it’s that much of a sale and it isn’t ‘2 for 1’. For example, Marine Outfitter’s price for a pair of chrome 30ST’s is $1369.99. Their regular price is 900.99 each, currently on sale for $699.99. So they are taking an additional $30 off if you buy a pair. Note that Binnacle’s price for a single is currently $719. Binnacle has free shipping too. Holland Marine is also advertising ‘2 for 1’ ... I can’t find pricing on their webpage or online catalogue but I’ve asked them to quote it. Peter Fell Sidney, BC C&C 27 MkIII From: Rick TaillieuSent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 12:54 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Lewmar winches on sale Marek, I know Dave Wilbey (the owner) and they’re in Kingston Ontario (Collins Bay), their prices are quite competitive with other Canadian stores. This 2 for 1 sale runs until the 18th. Cheers Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C&C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic Sent: January-08-14 14:25 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Lewmar winches on sale If anyone is interested, Marine Outfitters (based in Hamilton) (www.marineoutfitters.ca/) have a 2 for 1 special on Lewmar winches. I think it is a “show pricing” (Toronto boat show is coming this weekend). I cannot comment on their pricing for these winches, but usually they are quite competitive. Marek (in Ottawa) No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6986 - Release Date: 01/08/14 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Alternative Communication
I always wondered why we did this through email and not on BB...LOLI just signed up! Thanks Stu! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Stu" To: Subject: Stus-List Alternative Communication Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 20:48:22 -0500 As most of you know, there is a Forum on the C&C Photo Album site. This might be the place to put the autohelm topic. I can easily set up a new category and and the topic. Stu From: DavidSent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:43 PMTo: CNC CNCSubject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot I am all in for an alternative/parallel communication link that takes important, albeit focused, limited topics sidelined from from the e-mail trail. Worth an annual fee for me. Where do I sign up. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) From: efran...@mac.com Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:47:32 -0500 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot This was precisely my concern. I have learned so many useful things on this list-serve that I have no interest in causing a problem (case in point, separating the prop shaft from the transmission coupler - would never have figured out how to do this on my own), and my own sense is that the folks interested in this new topic should interact in a different way. Not that all the listings are very interesting to me - discussions of racing handicaps and the like are boring to me, but certainly highly relevant to a significant group of the listers. So I just skip over them. But building DIY autopilots or autonomous model sailboats is quite different. So let me look into what it takes to set up a very simple site where the interested folks can interact without using this list. Please allow me a couple of more posts to stay in touch with people who are potentially interested about this while I set it up, but then we will move it. Thanks, Eric From: "Pete Shelquist" To: Subject: Stus-List Homebrew autopilot...let them talk Message-ID: <000301cf16f7$12073870$3615a950$@shelqu...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Bill, Others: No one's being swamped and the list isn't being monopolized. Also, this conversation is as C&C specific as the recent conversation on Harken roller furler, adjustable car leads, AGM batteries and a host of other dribble. Obviously, there are a number of members on this list that are interested and want to share information. It, like most conversations, will probably die off in the near future. Personally, I understand less than half of what they're talking about, but I read and take in what I can and delete the rest. Others are welcome to do the same. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:45 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Homebrew autopilot Sorry, but I strongly disagree. One of the most popular reasons for people to unsubscribe from this list over the years has been that the sheer volume of emails is too much to handle. To monopolize this C&C specific discussion list with the nuts and bolts communications generated by such a (non-C&C specific) project would be inappropriate, to put it as mildly as possible. It needs to have it's own home. Swamping this list is not the answer. Bill Bina On 1/21/2014 4:02 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: I posit that a mailing list like this is also an archive. Judging by the traffic that this thread has already generated in one day I wouldn't assume that it's not an interesting topic to other listers or that those with little technical know-how either have nothing to contribute or nothing to learn. Nevermind the people that might be googling for this topic a year or two from now. I for one would like to see how this goes so my vote is keep the discussion here as long as it's practical. I understand that there might be a need to share files etc. Maybe you guys want to consider an open project. Just putting it out there.SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7023 - Release Date: 01/21/14 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum
wow, I'm just perusing the forum over at c&c photoalbum and is kind of light on the postings. we could really do all this bantering over there. It is just as easy as sending an email really and the amount of conversation that goes on here would really bring that forum to life. Anyway, just a suggestion that maybe we try and use the forum... Anyone else think this might be worth a try? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Eric Frank To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:47:32 -0500 This was precisely my concern. I have learned so many useful things on this list-serve that I have no interest in causing a problem (case in point, separating the prop shaft from the transmission coupler - would never have figured out how to do this on my own), and my own sense is that the folks interested in this new topic should interact in a different way. Not that all the listings are very interesting to me - discussions of racing handicaps and the like are boring to me, but certainly highly relevant to a significant group of the listers. So I just skip over them. But building DIY autopilots or autonomous model sailboats is quite different. So let me look into what it takes to set up a very simple site where the interested folks can interact without using this list. Please allow me a couple of more posts to stay in touch with people who are potentially interested about this while I set it up, but then we will move it. Thanks, Eric From: "Pete Shelquist" To: Subject: Stus-List Homebrew autopilot...let them talk Message-ID: <000301cf16f7$12073870$3615a950$@shelqu...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Bill, Others: No one's being swamped and the list isn't being monopolized. Also, this conversation is as C&C specific as the recent conversation on Harken roller furler, adjustable car leads, AGM batteries and a host of other dribble. Obviously, there are a number of members on this list that are interested and want to share information. It, like most conversations, will probably die off in the near future. Personally, I understand less than half of what they're talking about, but I read and take in what I can and delete the rest. Others are welcome to do the same. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:45 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Homebrew autopilot Sorry, but I strongly disagree. One of the most popular reasons for people to unsubscribe from this list over the years has been that the sheer volume of emails is too much to handle. To monopolize this C&C specific discussion list with the nuts and bolts communications generated by such a (non-C&C specific) project would be inappropriate, to put it as mildly as possible. It needs to have it's own home. Swamping this list is not the answer. Bill Bina On 1/21/2014 4:02 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: I posit that a mailing list like this is also an archive. Judging by the traffic that this thread has already generated in one day I wouldn't assume that it's not an interesting topic to other listers or that those with little technical know-how either have nothing to contribute or nothing to learn. Nevermind the people that might be googling for this topic a year or two from now. I for one would like to see how this goes so my vote is keep the discussion here as long as it's practical. I understand that there might be a need to share files etc. Maybe you guys want to consider an open project. Just putting it out there.SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum
"new and fresh" LOLI just realized, if we sign up, Stu has to approve us all. If I can be of any assistance in any added work or effort on your part stu, just let me what I might be able to help you with. I really think it is a far better way to go, I believe we can post photos and links and share info more easily on a bulletin board/forum type of format. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Curtis To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:38:26 -0500 I often wondered why folks don't use that format. Its what'z new and fresh? �I even posted on there a few years back why no one used the site. I thought that the C&C community was non-existent. Then I got an e-mail that we are allover here.� On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:22 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: wow, �I'm just perusing the forum over at c&c photoalbum and is kind of light on the postings. �we could really do all this bantering over there. �It is just as easy as sending an email really and the amount of conversation that goes on here would really bring that forum to life.�Anyway, just a suggestion that maybe we try and use the forum...�Anyone else think this might be worth a try?�Danny -- Original Message -- From: Eric Frank To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:47:32 -0500 �This was precisely my concern. �I have learned so many useful things on this list-serve that I have no interest in causing a problem (case in point, separating the prop shaft from the transmission coupler - would never have figured out how to do this on my own), and my own sense is that the folks interested in this new topic should interact in a different way. Not that all the listings are very interesting to me - discussions of racing handicaps and the like are boring to me, but certainly highly relevant to a significant group of the listers. �So I just skip over them. �But building DIY autopilots or autonomous model sailboats is quite different.�So let me look into what it takes to set up a very simple site where the interested folks can interact without using this list. �Please allow me a couple of more posts to stay in touch with people who are potentially interested about this while I set it up, but then we will move it.�Thanks,�Eric� From: "Pete Shelquist" To: Subject: Stus-List Homebrew autopilot...let them talk Message-ID: <000301cf16f7$12073870$3615a950$@shelqu...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Bill, Others: No one's being swamped and the list isn't being monopolized. �Also, this conversation is as C&C specific as the recent conversation on Harken roller furler, adjustable car leads, AGM batteries and a host of other dribble. Obviously, there are a number of members on this list that are interested and want to share information. �It, like most conversations, will probably die off in the near future. �Personally, I understand less than half of what they're talking about, but I read and take in what I can and delete the rest. �Others are welcome to do the same. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:45 PM To:�cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Homebrew autopilot Sorry, but I strongly disagree. One of the most popular reasons for people to unsubscribe from this list over the years has been that the sheer volume of emails is too much to handle. To monopolize this C&C specific discussion list with the nuts and bolts communications generated by such a (non-C&C specific) project would be inappropriate, to put it as mildly as possible. It needs to have it's own home.� Swamping this list is not the answer. Bill Bina On 1/21/2014 4:02 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: I posit that a mailing list like this is also an archive. Judging by�the traffic that this thread has already generated in one day I�wouldn't assume that it's not an interesting topic to other listers or�that those with little technical know-how either have nothing to�contribute or nothing to learn. Nevermind the people that might be�googling for this topic a year or two from now. I for one would like�to see how this goes so my vote is keep the discussion here as long as�it's practical. I understand that there might be a need to share files�etc. Maybe you guys want to consider an open project. Just putting it�out there.SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto� ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- At sea, I learned how little a person needs, not how much. -��Robin Lee Graham ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum
didn't think of that Wal, HM well that alone makes it not viable... Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled program... Danny -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:19:09 + Danny - I think we tried that when the list moved over from Sailnet, but went back to the email format. It won't work for me, for sure. Outside of major cities, my internet is extremely slow and a web based format just doesn't work. It's also handy to save important information on the laptop for later reference. Wal Danny wrote: > I really think it is a far better way to go, ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum
I use an internet based email and I do filter my c&c email but, if I'm not logged in and I use my phone to access my email, they all go into the inbox anyway. I end up having to do a search for Stus-List while logged in to the web version and then move them all -- Original Message -- From: Stevan Plavsa To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:32:24 -0500 Email filters. I work in IT and I hear this stuff about "flooding my inbox" all the time and it's a simple matter of using email filters. If anyone needs some guidance on how to set that up I'm happy to help. I have 2,669 UNREAD messages in my "C&C" folder and they don't interfere with a thing. Anything that hits my inbox (email from family and friends) I get notifications for on my phone etc, but not the C&C list. The way I have it set up I have to click into the folder to see what's going on, so I can ignore the list for days if I'm busy. You can ignore the email you're not interested in very easily and not have to resort to telling people to shut up. Not all of us have sailed for 40 years, or had fathers, family or friends that introduced us to sailing. Maybe you take for granted how much you learned throughout your sailing career simply by "osmosis", from your community. Not all of us are so lucky so we rely on the internet. This list is the sailing community I didn't have growing up. Many thanks to those that contribute, I've learned a lot on this list. SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:52 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: "new and fresh" LOLI just realized, if we sign up, Stu has to approve us all. If I can be of any assistance in any added work or effort on your part stu, just let me what I might be able to help you with. I really think it is a far better way to go, I believe we can post photos and links and share info more easily on a bulletin board/forum type of format. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Curtis To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot - Now Stu's C&C Photo Album Forum Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:38:26 -0500 I often wondered why folks don't use that format. Its what'z new and fresh? �I even posted on there a few years back why no one used the site. I thought that the C&C community was non-existent. Then I got an e-mail that we are allover here.� On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:22 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: wow, �I'm just perusing the forum over at c&c photoalbum and is kind of light on the postings. �we could really do all this bantering over there. �It is just as easy as sending an email really and the amount of conversation that goes on here would really bring that forum to life.�Anyway, just a suggestion that maybe we try and use the forum...�Anyone else think this might be worth a try?�Danny -- Original Message -- From: Eric Frank To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List homebrew autopilot Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:47:32 -0500 �This was precisely my concern. �I have learned so many useful things on this list-serve that I have no interest in causing a problem (case in point, separating the prop shaft from the transmission coupler - would never have figured out how to do this on my own), and my own sense is that the folks interested in this new topic should interact in a different way. Not that all the listings are very interesting to me - discussions of racing handicaps and the like are boring to me, but certainly highly relevant to a significant group of the listers. �So I just skip over them. �But building DIY autopilots or autonomous model sailboats is quite different.�So let me look into what it takes to set up a very simple site where the interested folks can interact without using this list. �Please allow me a couple of more posts to stay in touch with people who are potentially interested about this while I set it up, but then we will move it.�Thanks,�Eric� From: "Pete Shelquist" To: Subject: Stus-List Homebrew autopilot...let them talk Message-ID: <000301cf16f7$12073870$3615a950$@shelqu...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Bill, Others: No one's being swamped and the list isn't being monopolized. �Also, this conversation is as C&C specific as the recent conversation on Harken roller furler, adjustable car leads, AGM batteries and a host of other dribble. Obviously, there are a number of members on this list that are interested and want to share information. �It, like most conversations, will probably die off in the near future. �Personally, I understand less than half of what they're talking about, but I read and take in what I can and delete the
Re: Stus-List Rudder removal
I removed my rudder in the fall and was surprised to find no bearings. The thing was just hung through a fiberglass tube with a pin up at the top of the rudder post. The pin rested on top of 2 quarter inch thick washers. That was it, simple and easy. The hardest part was removing the quadrant for the wheel steering. I took some measurements and I'm going to try and have some new washers made up. I'm going to try and have bushings made for top and bottom that actually slid up into the tube but, I really don't think it is necessary, it's just me over thinking things again. Maybe you could take some photos of your rudder and post them somewhere? Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Jason Shoemake To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List Rudder removal Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:30:33 -0600 I have a question for the vast knowledge found here. My recently acquired '78 29 MK1 is on the hard with bottom, now clean as a baby's booty, ready for paint. There's a rust looking substance on and around the rudder. Where could this be coming from? Is it possible to remove the rudder and replace bearings, bushings and the like? Where can I find replacement parts? Any advice, or help - I can have an endless supply of beer - will be appreciated. Thanks, Jason Shoemake 1978 C&C 29 MK1 South Mississippi Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Documentation
When I changed the Documentation over to me as the new owner, The Broker/Marina owner got on line and made the changes in about 10 minutes and the fee was $75 if I recall correctly. I renewed last year and it was free of charge. I'm waiting for the renewal now. Don't they come in around now? -- Original Message -- From: Chuck S To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Documentation Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:16:30 + (UTC) I see many responses to your request. My experience: I applied to redocument my vessel to change the hailing port and owner's name and address. The fee was around $80 and took 6 weeks in 2003. Free to renew each year since. I think there is a fee (of $80) to make any changes like boat name, owner's name, and/or address or hailing port. So make all your changes at once, and use your hometown instead of marina town and you will be set. Otherwise, the USCG send you a renewal letter and you sign that and return it and they send you a new embossed, two color, document. Pretty neat. In New Jersey, I still have to pay the annual registration fee of $35, but I don't have to display the ugly 8 digit registration number on the hull. You're not supposed to, but I have the doc laminated at Staples each year to waterproof it and keep it on board. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJFrom: "Harry Hallgring" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:27:37 AM Subject: Stus-List Documentation Mirage was documented since day one. It is now time to renew it. I have never done this before. Is it an easy process, or is it worth having a service do it for a fee? Harry ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
They aren't that ready to come by but an internet search its all you can do really. I ended up buying a moyer exchange engine after searching and searching. however, out was april and I didn't want to lose to much time screwing around with a used engine. Moyer also sells new heads... Danny T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: "Aaron Rouhi" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 5:57 pm My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is greatly appreciated. Cheers,Aaron R.1979 30-MK1Annapolis, MD___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow. LOL Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one from Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after receiving it... OOORRR... he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace that and all the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for a minimum of another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like what prop, shaft, whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know, 2 or 3 weekends... Then there is all the adjustments and testing another weekend at least. What is the gain, It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be sailing and not chugging along under power for days at a time? I mean the diesel with most certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no more than the cost to convert it. The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my opinion, better suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing. I guess if your going to do some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a good decision. Then there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your boat and fuel consumption. Of course there is truth to those statements but, how many boats do we hear about exploding every year? Fuel consumption? again, if your passage making, but if you're just using it to get in and out harbors or to motor home for a few hours when there is no wind, I really don't see the benefit. You can get gas at far more marinas than diesel too... Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a diesel! End of rant, Sorry I couldn't stop myself... LOL Go A4!!! Danny!! P.S. Just for full disclosure, My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't run the way I think it should... -- Original Message -- From: "dwight" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400 OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is also basically a Kubota engine I believe From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best “almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks. I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45 minutes of the ad going up. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Josh If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on a 35 MKII. I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4) disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little 4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion system From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in converting to diesel. http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi" wrote: My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is greatly appreciated. Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
Thanks Steven, I just sent him a message. Someone asked on the forum before me but I told him I'd take them if that didn't work out. We'll see.. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Stevan Plavsa To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:01:16 -0500 Five hours up the coast but it may be of help:http://www.moyermarine.com/forums/showthread.php?s=5456c608b8d8b28edafcd1d3292c1a74&t=7991 I would buy those parts if the seller was close to me. $150 for all that stuff is a deal and I have no spares. SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Plenty of used motors if your friend doesn't mind a bit of travel. This link has the results of a search for "atomic 4" on craigslist across the entire U.S.http://tinyurl.com/craigslist-atomic4 Your friend might also have luck poking through the websites of his local yacht clubs. They typically have classifieds sections and I've often seen stuff there that didn't make it to craigslist. Though, craigslist is the first place I'de look. On the topic of the venerable old A4:When I purchased Suhana I opted for the boat with the A4 because my thinking was that a 30 year old motor is a 30 year old motor. The premium for a later model 32 with an originaldiesel wasn't justified in my opinion. Any old motor is a liability (mechanically). The later model 32s were all 10k more than my boat, that's the price of a brand new diesel so why would I buy an old one? The later 32s have things mine doesn't like an oven and refrigeration (IIRC) but those aren't worth 10k either, especially if they're original. So for me it was a financial decision. I do appreciate that the old A4 is quiet however and so far, easy to work on. Oh, and plenty of support on the Moyer Marine forum. Steve Suhana, C&C 32Toronto On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote: Gasoline is dangerous. So is *propane*, which many of you have. Be careful with both of them ;) The A4 runs through about 3/4-1 gal/hr at cruise FYI. I once listened to a speech about the safety of diesel from a Cabo Rico owner that stored his dinghy gas tank in the cabin! Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Three years ago I was doing work up my mast about 100 ft away from a 40` wooden Chriscraft which exploded during refuelling. It was shocking and there was no warning for those nearby. My point - it's more than rhetoric or something you only hear about. It can actually happen. Second observation - a friend rebuilt his A4 last winter, reinstalled in the spring and found out his tranny was seized. R&R all over again. The message - take the time to go over everything and rebuild/refurbish as necessary. You don't want to take it out twice. Of course same goes for any engine. 3rd - my 3GM will use about 1/4 tank of fuel motoring and motor sailing for 13 hours. How will that compare with gasoline - I think there's a big difference. Not criticizing the idea of keeping an A4, just being aware of some risks and differences. Cheers, Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl C&C 34 Lions Head ON ------ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:26:16 GMT From: "djhaug...@juno.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Message-ID: <20140129.102616.2156...@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow. LOL Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one from Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after receiving it... �OOORRR... �he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace that and all the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for a minimum of another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like what prop, shaft, whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know, 2 or 3 weekends... �Then there is all the adjustments and testing another weekend at least. What is the gain, �It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be sailing and not chugging along under power for days at a time? �I mean the diesel with most certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no more than the cost to convert it. �The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my opinion, better suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing. �I guess if your going to do some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a good decision. �Then there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your
Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
my guess it you'll be getting a plain packaging on the replacement and they wanted you to have all your original packaging as they weren't going to be using it. -- Original Message -- From: Harry Hallgring To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:05:49 -0500 So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown cardboard box from Raymarine. I opened it to find my original box inside which was empty. Odd??? Harry Sent from my old iPhone On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S wrote: Hi Joel, What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C owner's list! I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work. Your plan is to leave Bermuda, June 15th and 16th? Q1. When do you plan on reaching Norfolk? June 24, 25? Q2. Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach Annapolis? Q3. Boat name and C&C model? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJFrom: "Joel Aronson" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM Subject: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis All, My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3 fellow C&C owners. I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return trip. The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk (to clear Customs). If you are interested in joining us for the return, please contact me off-list. -- Joel 301 541 8551joel.aron...@gmail.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 history was Marine vs Automotive parts
YEA!! Thats some history! I'm a proud A4 owner. Its like the harley davidson in boating! -- Original Message -- From: dre...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 history was Marine vs Automotive parts Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 11:41:34 -0400 Hi, This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Atomic_4 The Atomic 4 is descended from an earlier Universal Motor Company design called the Utility Four, which was used extensively in World War II by the United States Navy and allies to power the lifeboats for the ships, barges, and tankers of many navies and merchant marine fleets. The Utility Four was replaced by the Atomic 4 in 1947. - Paul E. 1979 C&C 29 Mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On May 17, 2013, at 8:33 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:23:05 -0300From: "Hoyt, Mike" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine vs Automotive partsMessage-ID:<4cdebb6b0f16c541ba8f985b72705d5416021...@hfxexc02.impgroup.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"I once heard a story that the Atomic 4 was the power plant in the WW IIlanding craft. Anyone know if this is true? ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Pic of Calypso from Race to the Straits 2013
Thats a great looking shot of a great looking boat! Please note: message attached From: Martin DeYoung To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List Pic of Calypso from Race to the Straits 2013 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:12:41 + Here is link to a pic of an old C&C going to weather. (I purchased copies from Jan's for both my wall and computer desk top.) We were racing double-handed. The spin pole is on the mast to keep the heavy #1 sheets from tangling in the baby stay. I estimate we tacked 25 to 30 times over the 30 mile course out to Port Townsend. Fortunately the return race on Sunday was all downwind giving the crew a well-deserved rest from grinding. http://janpix.smugmug.com/Boats/Race-to-the-Straits-2013/29291605_WVLQ3n#!i=2497822185&k=Dn8nxVV&lb=1&s=L Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle [cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question-Warning, a little long winded!
Hi Mark, When I decided to move up from my O'Day 22, I started looking at 27' boats. Then at the encouragement of my wife we decided to consider even larger boats. Then at the advice of some seasoned boaters, which was to go as big as you feel comfortable with, started looking at even larger boats. So, we started shopping for a boat, on and off, for probably 2 years. We saw a lot of peoples garbage they wanted us to pay to have the privilege of removing for them, we saw boats grossly overpriced, we looked at boats out of our price range to see what you get for your money. We discovered you simply cannot take anyone at their word on condition. (after all, these people are emotionally attached to their boats and probably in denial, not so much dishonest) In the end, we decided to go up to a 34' boat because that was largest boat allowed at the marina where I kept the O'Day...(No we aren't there anymore, we ended up keeping Lolita at the same marina where we found her, we love it there!) What happened for me is, I became more familiar with bigger boats by, reading about them and visiting them. I discovered things that bother my wife and I and things that weren't such a big deal. Some things she felt more strongly about and vice versa. Then, one day, after looking at about 7 or 8 boats including an O'Day 32, a Rhodes 30, a couple of Pearsons a C&C 32, among others, we were thinking that there were about 3 boats we could potentially be happy with. The O'Day seemed roomy and pretty modern, the Pearsons were 2 ends of a spectrum, one seemed more modern and the other a solid boat in good condition with no frills. The C&C felt out of our price range, a little over priced but, we might try negotiating with the guy... Then we went to look at a Viking 33 and the Rhodes 32 at the same yard. We found the Rhodes, but couldn't get inside, it looked okay. Then we found the Viking. I had read up on Vikings before we came and found them to be reputable, well respected and of good construction, not to mention the C&C design aspect. I was pretty hopeful about this boat so, I was a little biased. It was pretty cool how it went; We were tired and ready to give up the search for the day. I said "well I'm going aboard" and Karen said, "I'm only going up the ladder if it is really worth it." So, I climb aboard, looked around, went below, come back out and say, "I think you should come up." She's like, "really, is really worth it?" I say, " I think you should come up." This went on for about 5 or six rounds. I started walking on the deck, looking for soft spots and there were none, it had some old electronics and I was impressed because my last boat had none. It had wheel steering, full, almost new canvass and she did not feel overwhelmingly big. She is pretty narrow and I think that is what made her feel more manageable from a scale perspective. I said again, "I think you should come up." So, finally, she did, The thing had peeling paint all over the place below and the head was disgusting. But, somehow the boat was still appealing to us. Karen knew what kind of restoration work I was capable of after the O'Day 22 experience and was able to see past the cosmetics and agreed this was probably the happy medium we'd been looking for, (I should mention, we both wanted a boat that was considered fast). Well, we made an offer, did the survey which came back great and we bought the boat. At this point I wish I could say it was all rainbows, fair winds and beautiful sailing... However, she was a severely neglected girl, and needed everything we knew about, plus new sails and a new engine. It took me all spring and pretty much the whole summer to get her launched, (needless to say, wifey was none too happy about my having "wasted the whole summer" working on her and she is very gun shy about it happening this year!). Lolita is a good, solid, and fast boat and I know her inside and out now. She ended up costing me well over my initial budget but, in the end I think I have the investment right around market value, maybe somewhat more than the market would bear but, i do have brand new sails, rigging, motor, canvass and this year, electronics! So, that would be the upgrades of a normal used boat, (or so I like to believe!) I guess my point, in all this, is that searching for and buying a used boat seems to be a process, an ever changing search for something that seems to fit your needs. You really start to change your perspective as you look at boats and talk to they're owners and yacht broker and begin to really define what you're looking for. Old boats are an investment of time, money and emotions. Some would say I must be nuts to put in the efforts to such an old boat, but, then we have this pack of wing nuts who advise, encourage, compliment and give smack up side the head once in while that help keep us all feeling sane, and helped. I co
Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
Or, think of the happiness you get when you sell the old boat and buy the new...it is a double your happiness event!!! -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:13:22 -0400 I can't really help with your decision, but I would like to correct the "happiest day" nonsense. I've rarely been more heartbroken than when I watched someone else leave with my much-loved boat. In addition to Peregrine, I still have a 30-foot daysailer I can't bear to part with because she's such an exquisite boat to sail and look at and she's been a huge part of my life for 18 years.AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On May 29, 2013, at 0:29, Russ & Melody wrote: Hi Mark, As you already know there is no simple answer. But here are the dimension for the perfect boat:Cocktails for 6Dinner for 4Sleeps 2Seriously, 30' is ideal for light sailing with a weekend & a bit away. Bigger gets more toys tolerated and comfort underway (especially if you actually go sailing if it's windy). For 20 grand your best bet is the one that has been maintained (vs say, size weighted consideration) so to get the best value. Good sails can be the difference in the bargain... only 3 new cruising sails are a minimum 6 grand from the orient. Personally I went from a 60' cruising cutter to a 35 mk-1 and love her. However I have a 40' motor-sailor sitting in the back yard awaiting my semi-retirement where I can spend 4 5 months aboard, cruising the west coast. Your mileage may vary. Enjoy the hunt. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 09:01 PM 28/05/2013, you wrote: I'm still looking at boats, reading emails from this list and learning lots. Right now I'm sitting back, watching the market, looking to new boats that come up, and trying to figure out where I want to end up. Maybe some more experienced listers can offer some thoughts (on or off list). I know that everyone has there own criteria - but I'm trying to figure out the right boat for me. My Mirage 24 is quite small - 5ft of headroom (only my 8 yr old can stand up), not enough space to sleep 5 (me and 4 kids), lacks an enclosed head, no functional galley, noisy and smelly outboard. I envision wanting to do some more sailing - little further out of the harbour, some overnights (effectively boat camping with the kids), maybe a long weekend away with the girlfriend. But we've all heard the cracks "2 best days in a boater life - the day he/she buys their boat, and the day they sell it", or "A boat is a hole in the water you pour money into" - not really encouraging. So, why, if they are so terrible does everyone get 2 foot itis? Feel free to espouse on why did you end up with the boat you have? Do you wish you stayed smaller/cheaper/simpler? What would you say to yourself if you could go back and offer advice? Was this the best decision ever? If you could make a change what do you want? A bigger galley? Bigger cockpit? My temptation was to find a 29-30 foot boat that would work, thinking that would last me for years with the kids and still be a manageable size when they are off. Keeping costs reasonable, maintenance manageable and enough boat to venture further afield. Right now I could buy a local C&C 33 (with and Atomic4), or a local C&C 30 (diesel), or there are 29's, 30's and 34's within reach - the prices are similar. I plan on climbing aboard a few different boats to get a feel for size and space, but I'm trying to figure out what I'm getting into without having to learn the painfully hard way! I'm leaning towards a diesel (only because that seems to be common opinion and gas on my current boat has it's downsides), wheel steering and something fairly stable (so kids and girlfriend aren't barfing over the side -- which I gather eliminates the 29's from the list). Price wise I'd like to stay below $2. I have the cash set aside to buy the boat, but clearly bigger is not always better, the maintenance and insidious upkeep costs can add up quickly. I was able to do a quick sand and bottom paint on my M24 in 2.5 hrs. Assuming the cost and workload multiply with the displacement I'm guessing a 30ft (being twice the displacement) would be double the effort, a 34ft 3 times the work. At what point is it more work and you wish for a smaller/cheaper boat? Thanks in advance for the advice, Mark -- - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___
Re: Stus-List Mirage Progress
Harry, WOW!! Out-Effin'-Standing!!! She is Gorgeous!!! Danny Please note: message attached From: Harry Hallgring To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mirage Progress Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 02:07:33 + (GMT) "Done" is relative...but we're "done enough" to launch tomorrow!MIRAGE Paint ProgressHarryMIRAGENortheast 39Newport,RI ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Circumnavigating Vancouver Island
Jim, All the best in your adventures! I can't wait to read your blog updates! -- Original Message -- From: Jim Watts To: 1 CnC List Subject: Stus-List Circumnavigating Vancouver Island Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:06:36 -0700 We're heading out at the beginning of July, going around counterclockwise about 1 1/2 times if everything works out. Anyone wanting to follow our adventures can check out our blog...paradigmchafe.blogspot.ca I'm going to try and keep it as current as possible, but there's probably going to be some times when I just can't get to an internet connection. I'm not sure we can survive without the internet.� Anyone else going around or going to be in those parts when we're passing through? Please throw us bacon. -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
These are very good points Rich. I'm wondering if a shared ownership thing might be a better solution for you Mark. You basically pay about $4500 a year for a certain amount of days. You then only have to schedule your time for sailing and the boat share company takes care of the rest. It's a pretty good deal really because storage alone for a 32 foot boat will come in at about $4K to $6k a year. then there is upkeep. The boat share will get you into relatively recent model years on like a Beneteau or something. This seems well suited to your current situation in my opinion. Just google boat share and see what comes up. Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Knowles Rich To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:01 -0300 Mark: With respect, I think you have a conundrum to deal with. You want a bigger boat for all the right reasons, but appear to be unwilling or unable to make the required investment in time, passion and money to make your dream a reality. All the commentary you have received to date is from people who have experience, and that advice has been pretty much spot on, with some excellent offerings. "Toy" may be your descriptor, but a 30' boat needs care and attention and will make both routine and unanticipated demands on your time, patience and resources. Your current boat just might be your best solution for the moment, even if it doesn't fulfil all your dreams. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-06-03, at 23:27, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote: > activities. > No matter what I just don't have a huge amount of free time, or spare $ - > bumping up the boat is already a leap of faith. > But it fits - when I bought the M24 last year I renamed it "Big Picture" - on > the basis that I don't really have the time or $ - but the looking at the big > picture this is more important. I expect if/when I get a new boat I'll > re-use the name (or Bigger Picture). ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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did this question just get overlooked? I didn't see any responses... I'm having to do something with my stove as well. I think they can be repaired. I have the old alcohol type. danny Please note: message attached From: johnr...@aol.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Any recommendations for a new stove for Falcon. John McLaughlin ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
What a great story! -- Original Message -- From: Nate Flesness To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:31:17 -0500 http://bringthewinnieestellehome.com/Winnie_Estelle/Welcome.html I had no idea either, but interesting... Nate"Sarah Jean"1980 30-1Siskiwit Bay MarinaLake Superior On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Frederick G Street wrote: Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy boat"? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V�Oceanis�(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" wrote: After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. �Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. �Eventually there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river? * also after we left their anchor light went on LOL Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Another boat
Hello Dr. Mark, I looked at a couple of Cal 29s in my search. What put me off them was some articles I found about a steel beam that has a tenancy to corrode away, between the sole and the hull. There is a great deal of fiberglass work to get at it and repair it. I believe its function was as a mast step support. There is (or was) a pretty good website out there where a guy documented the repair really well. I'm wondering though, what is it that makes the local C&C worth 50% more than the NADA value. "a year or 2" left on the canvass? that sounds like end of life to me. The sails are in "good shape?" How old are they? I've heard these terms in my search and it always turned out to be an exaggeration on condition. You need to go in thinking you need new sails and canvass unless you know how old the sails are or you can see for yourself what condition the canvass is in. My boat has, last year, brand new sails, canvass, motor, standing rigging etc. etc. etc... I think I'd be lucky to get $22,500 for it. I only had the boat out 6 times last year and brought the canvass and sails to the sail loft for inspection, repair and storage. I could not believe the things that needed done. There were signs of chafing already and they reinforced those areas. Sails take a beating, assume the worst, there is probably $2500 - $4000 right there. If this guy had his sails serviced every year, he would have said that. It's still a buyer's market out there. Sounds like a pretty steep price tag to me... Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Another boat Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 22:30:25 -0300 Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on Sunday. http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C-C-29-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947 Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs a good sanding and new bottom coat). The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the hoist can get the boat high enough to put it to bed). He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings (although there is some minor damage at the stern where someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to "have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left in fabric) The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm? (I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to sell a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way away, hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact that I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for $4000 the price is pretty even) NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000 - Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $2 http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal-9-2-Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591 (NADA value at $13800) Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures). Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc. I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end looks either! Any thoughts appreciated, Mark -- - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Another boat
Mark,I doubt the guy is being deliberately dishonest about any of his descriptions. He probably believes everything. What I noticed as I shopped for a boat was that most of the brokers were more upfront about condition than the owners trying to sell on there own. Lets face it, we overlook things sometimes as "not so bad" because either we would rather spend the boat bucks on something else, or it seems like too much of a pain in the butt to deal with right now...whatever. The point is we convince ourselves that things are not as bad as they seem sometimes. Now, add to the mix that you want someone to buy your boat and you have a price that you would like to get for it. I think you are going to be even more willing to overlook the condition of things. After all, you first have to convince yourself that your asking price is fair. I must have looked 25 boats in my search over 2 years. Almost non of the for sale by owner boats were in the condition described. I don't think any of them, except one, were deliberately misrepresenting their boat. In fact, I pretty much liked all of them. I think it was an emotional assessment that led them to either not disclose something or overstate condition. On the other hand, the brokers want to move boats. They know an over priced boat is going to sit and sit. There is nothing in it for them to over price a boat. I had brokers tell me about blistering and soft spots right over the phone. they didn't want to waste their time meeting, showing, and opening up a boat if it wasn't as described. I walked away disappointed from for sale by owner boats way more often than brokered boats. I got to a point that if the description did not give the age of the sails, they needed replaced. It seemed that, if anyone bought sails within the previous 12, or so, years, they listed the year they were purchased. My research made clear that sails are generally completely bagged out by 10 years unless serviced and resewn. Then 15 years might be your usable life. Bagged out sails really make for unexpected reactions to the wind. If you are looking at a reputedly tender boat, bagged out sails will certainly make it WAY more tender. It's the shape that goes, not the material. I ended up buying new sails for both of my boats and I'm glad I did. New sails just handle the wind and the gusts better. Another thing I noticed was that broker listed boats, where the broker actually returned calls, were, generally, more fairly priced. I went out hunting a few times because some of the un-returned calls were on boats that looked great in the adds but, upon finding them on my own, I understood the un-returned calls. So, I just kept looking and looking and looking until something felt right. Anyway, those are my insights and experiences. worth every bit of $0.02 American or Canadian or Australian for that matter, I think! DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Stevan Plavsa To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:36:04 -0400 Keep looking and don't settle. I got my 32 for 18k, that's right in your ballpark. I was originally looking for 27s and 29s but I didn't find any that were reasonably priced or even in reasonable shape. I went to look at the 32 on a whim because it was the closest boat to me, and a broker boat no less .. something I'de been avoiding up to that point. I had driven to NY to look at boats on the south shore of Lake Ontario, not a complete waste of time because it helped me compare and understand the market better.� And you know what? The 32, literally 5 minutes from my house, was easily in way better shape than any of the boats I'de looked at up to that point. I was sold on it instantly. It was more boat than I hoped for and it was in reach. Life is short and I can be pretty impulsive so I made an offer, had it surveyed and bought the boat. I think the PO was happy to get the 18k and I think he was happy to deal with me, we got along great. Some other guy was in line before me but he was a huge hassle for the seller. I lucked out, the PO was a great guy. �I don't race so my requirements may be different than yours. My boat is a freshwater boat and it surveyed well. The sails were worn out and I just spent $1600 (shipping in!) all told on a genoa from Rolly Tasker, it's a great sail and an incredible value. The main is still usable and will be for a couple of years yet. Canvas is still good, not great, but doesn't need replacing. but I have spent a lot. I've spent money refurbishing the head/tanks/freshwater/wiring/instruments/stereo/solar and the list goes on. A boat that has had that stuff done is worth more, but then, if you do it yourself it's really YOUR boat. My boat is MY boat! I EARNED it because I fixed the shit out of it!� SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Knowles
Stus-List '74 33' C&C Sloop - $5000 (Portsmouth RI)
Hi guys, was perusing CL and found this listing. $5000 sounds pretty cheap. I know nothing about this boat or it's owner. I just thought you guys might find it interesting http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/3967301717.html ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth
Yea,I'm always looking at Vikings and I've seen a few sitting for a while. I saw a few starting at 30k or so I've been seeing this one too. It is a Viking 33. It started out in the low 20s but is now 15k in Mississauga, Ontario I don't know if that is near you or not...http://www.boatdealers.ca/usedboats/sailboats/racersandcruisers/cc/viking33/106647/cc-viking33-used-boat-for-sale.aspx These are really great sailing boats -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:05:46 -0300 Ok - so now your just taunting me! I'll be looking at a different 29-2 next week, good condition but they are asking $23000. I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium to have a boat that is more accessible - but at the prices people are listing boats for you'd think I could start a business of just shipping boats up from down south! Many of these boats are not selling as the pricing is too high - but sellers seemed convinced - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 10:51 AM, honeys...@aol.com wrote:There was a 29 here in Savannah in far better shape than this boat (new sails and all Harken hardware) and the owner had to donate it to the Sea Scouts just to get rid of it. In a message dated 8/15/2013 9:21:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drbod...@accesswave.ca writes: Especially when I look around for options and see http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html 1984 29' C&C sailboat for sale - $9000 (Georgetown, ME)Does not look to be in as good a condition from the interior pictures - but if I can get my hands on a road worthy trailer I could drive down and have it back in a weekend for less than half. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 9:13 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:That makes sense to me!Rich KnowlesIndigo - C&C LF38Halifax - Nova ScotiaOn 2013-08-14, at 20:36, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote:- owner advised me that he turned down an offer of $19000 already. I told him I would be offering lower than that and he has not responded.___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth
Yes, she be a slim Lass that Viking! but very sexy indeed!! I was really getting frustrated with the repairs this year and then 2 days out on the bay with fair winds and lovely sunshine...ahh a love rekindled!!! She really does sail beautifully! If you were to come as far as Rhode Island I bet you'd get a good deal!! ...and a great trip! Maybe even Boston would reveal some very nice boats at goods prices... DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:49:00 -0400 But the trip would be downwind and down current. You'd have an adventure and a Viking 33! That's one of my favorite boats, though it hasn't that much more volume than the 29 II.Remember Slocum's words, "to any young man contemplating a voyage, I would say, 'go!'"AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:10, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote: Mississauga is likely too far. I'm in Halifax, far east on the Atlantic shore. It would be a 1000mile road trip, longer by water. But thanks for the heads up. I'm only buying if I find a fair price and good condition. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 11:29 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:Yea,I'm always looking at Vikings and I've seen a few sitting for a while. I saw a few starting at 30k or so I've been seeing this one too. It is a Viking 33. It started out in the low 20s but is now 15k in Mississauga, Ontario I don't know if that is near you or not...http://www.boatdealers.ca/usedboats/sailboats/racersandcruisers/cc/viking33/106647/cc-viking33-used-boat-for-sale.aspx These are really great sailing boats -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:05:46 -0300 Ok - so now your just taunting me! I'll be looking at a different 29-2 next week, good condition but they are asking $23000. I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium to have a boat that is more accessible - but at the prices people are listing boats for you'd think I could start a business of just shipping boats up from down south! Many of these boats are not selling as the pricing is too high - but sellers seemed convinced - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 10:51 AM, honeys...@aol.com wrote:There was a 29 here in Savannah in far better shape than this boat (new sails and all Harken hardware) and the owner had to donate it to the Sea Scouts just to get rid of it. In a message dated 8/15/2013 9:21:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drbod...@accesswave.ca writes: Especially when I look around for options and see http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html 1984 29' C&C sailboat for sale - $9000 (Georgetown, ME)Does not look to be in as good a condition from the interior pictures - but if I can get my hands on a road worthy trailer I could drive down and have it back in a weekend for less than half. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 9:13 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:That makes sense to me!Rich KnowlesIndigo - C&C LF38Halifax - Nova ScotiaOn 2013-08-14, at 20:36, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote:- owner advised me that he turned down an offer of $19000 already. I told him I would be offering lower than that and he has not responded.___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth
LOLthat does work...just to be clear it was the work getting in the way of sailing that frustrated me! C'mon, I named her Lolita...thats gotta tell ya something! -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:39:01 -0400 There are some great deals on boats around here and Halifax is all downwind and only about 300 miles or so. How can ever get frustrated repairing that piece of floating art you're privileged to own, Danny? Just step back and take a look at her, next time!AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 15, 2013, at 20:23, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: Yes, she be a slim Lass that Viking! but very sexy indeed!! I was really getting frustrated with the repairs this year and then 2 days out on the bay with fair winds and lovely sunshine...ahh a love rekindled!!! She really does sail beautifully! If you were to come as far as Rhode Island I bet you'd get a good deal!! ...and a great trip! Maybe even Boston would reveal some very nice boats at goods prices... DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:49:00 -0400 But the trip would be downwind and down current. You'd have an adventure and a Viking 33! That's one of my favorite boats, though it hasn't that much more volume than the 29 II.Remember Slocum's words, "to any young man contemplating a voyage, I would say, 'go!'"AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:10, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote: Mississauga is likely too far. I'm in Halifax, far east on the Atlantic shore. It would be a 1000mile road trip, longer by water. But thanks for the heads up. I'm only buying if I find a fair price and good condition. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-----There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 11:29 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:Yea,I'm always looking at Vikings and I've seen a few sitting for a while. I saw a few starting at 30k or so I've been seeing this one too. It is a Viking 33. It started out in the low 20s but is now 15k in Mississauga, Ontario I don't know if that is near you or not...http://www.boatdealers.ca/usedboats/sailboats/racersandcruisers/cc/viking33/106647/cc-viking33-used-boat-for-sale.aspx These are really great sailing boats -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:05:46 -0300 Ok - so now your just taunting me! I'll be looking at a different 29-2 next week, good condition but they are asking $23000. I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium to have a boat that is more accessible - but at the prices people are listing boats for you'd think I could start a business of just shipping boats up from down south! Many of these boats are not selling as the pricing is too high - but sellers seemed convinced - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 10:51 AM, honeys...@aol.com wrote:There was a 29 here in Savannah in far better shape than this boat (new sails and all Harken hardware) and the owner had to donate it to the Sea Scouts just to get rid of it. In a message dated 8/15/2013 9:21:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drbod...@accesswave.ca writes: Especially when I look around for options and see http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html 1984 29' C&C sailboat for sale - $9000 (Georgetown, ME)Does not look to be in as good a condition from the interior pictures - but if I can get my hands on a road worthy trailer I could drive down and have it back in a weekend for less than half. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 9:13 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:That makes sense to me!Rich KnowlesIndigo - C&C LF38Halifax - Nova ScotiaOn 2013-08-14, at 20:36, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote:- owner advised me that he turned down an offer of $19000 already. I told him I would be
Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth
what do you think about a pearson 30 for $4000? These are nice boats, I looked at few of them during my search. Still on a tiller which, isn't necessarily a bad thing... http://southcoast.craigslist.org/boa/3944986022.html -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:12:51 -0300 Andrew, I've been doing my best to look at boats down in Maine, Mass and RI - the bigger boats show up on yachtworld, but the smaller/less expensive boats don't seem to show up anywhere consistent (I regularly look at sailboatlistings and try to search Craigslist). Hard to get a good handle on boats at a distance, and harder still to show up hoping to sail one home! If you see a nice boat let me know. I'm interested! Still looking 29-32 range. Sailing it back sounds like fun. Failing that, I'm looking locally and I'm going to see if I can get someone to check out that 29 in Maine - if I can find a trailer to haul it back on it is way cheaper than similar looking condition boats here. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 5:39 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:There are some great deals on boats around here and Halifax is all downwind and only about 300 miles or so. How can ever get frustrated repairing that piece of floating art you're privileged to own, Danny? Just step back and take a look at her, next time!AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 15, 2013, at 20:23, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: Yes, she be a slim Lass that Viking! but very sexy indeed!! I was really getting frustrated with the repairs this year and then 2 days out on the bay with fair winds and lovely sunshine...ahh a love rekindled!!! She really does sail beautifully! If you were to come as far as Rhode Island I bet you'd get a good deal!! ...and a great trip! Maybe even Boston would reveal some very nice boats at goods prices... DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:49:00 -0400 But the trip would be downwind and down current. You'd have an adventure and a Viking 33! That's one of my favorite boats, though it hasn't that much more volume than the 29 II.Remember Slocum's words, "to any young man contemplating a voyage, I would say, 'go!'"AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:10, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote: Mississauga is likely too far. I'm in Halifax, far east on the Atlantic shore. It would be a 1000mile road trip, longer by water. But thanks for the heads up. I'm only buying if I find a fair price and good condition. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-----There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 11:29 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:Yea,I'm always looking at Vikings and I've seen a few sitting for a while. I saw a few starting at 30k or so I've been seeing this one too. It is a Viking 33. It started out in the low 20s but is now 15k in Mississauga, Ontario I don't know if that is near you or not...http://www.boatdealers.ca/usedboats/sailboats/racersandcruisers/cc/viking33/106647/cc-viking33-used-boat-for-sale.aspx These are really great sailing boats -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:05:46 -0300 Ok - so now your just taunting me! I'll be looking at a different 29-2 next week, good condition but they are asking $23000. I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium to have a boat that is more accessible - but at the prices people are listing boats for you'd think I could start a business of just shipping boats up from down south! Many of these boats are not selling as the pricing is too high - but sellers seemed convinced - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 10:51 AM, honeys...@aol.com wrote:There was a 29 here in Savannah in far better shape
Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth
How about this O'day 30? http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/boa/3949686837.html -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:43:06 -0400 The Pearson 30 is a good boat. It won't have the same feel of quality, especially inside, that you get from the C&C. But they sail well and are pretty comfortable. I like tiller steering for smaller boats. You don't need the leverage from a wheel to turn the rudder.AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 16, 2013, at 12:30, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: what do you think about a pearson 30 for $4000? These are nice boats, I looked at few of them during my search. Still on a tiller which, isn't necessarily a bad thing... http://southcoast.craigslist.org/boa/3944986022.html -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:12:51 -0300 Andrew, I've been doing my best to look at boats down in Maine, Mass and RI - the bigger boats show up on yachtworld, but the smaller/less expensive boats don't seem to show up anywhere consistent (I regularly look at sailboatlistings and try to search Craigslist). Hard to get a good handle on boats at a distance, and harder still to show up hoping to sail one home! If you see a nice boat let me know. I'm interested! Still looking 29-32 range. Sailing it back sounds like fun. Failing that, I'm looking locally and I'm going to see if I can get someone to check out that 29 in Maine - if I can find a trailer to haul it back on it is way cheaper than similar looking condition boats here. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 5:39 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:There are some great deals on boats around here and Halifax is all downwind and only about 300 miles or so. How can ever get frustrated repairing that piece of floating art you're privileged to own, Danny? Just step back and take a look at her, next time!AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 15, 2013, at 20:23, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote:Yes, she be a slim Lass that Viking! but very sexy indeed!! I was really getting frustrated with the repairs this year and then 2 days out on the bay with fair winds and lovely sunshine...ahh a love rekindled!!! She really does sail beautifully! If you were to come as far as Rhode Island I bet you'd get a good deal!! ...and a great trip! Maybe even Boston would reveal some very nice boats at goods prices... DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:49:00 -0400 But the trip would be downwind and down current. You'd have an adventure and a Viking 33! That's one of my favorite boats, though it hasn't that much more volume than the 29 II.Remember Slocum's words, "to any young man contemplating a voyage, I would say, 'go!'"AndyC&C 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:10, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote: Mississauga is likely too far. I'm in Halifax, far east on the Atlantic shore. It would be a 1000mile road trip, longer by water. But thanks for the heads up. I'm only buying if I find a fair price and good condition. Mark - Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca-There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 15/08/2013 11:29 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:Yea,I'm always looking at Vikings and I've seen a few sitting for a while. I saw a few starting at 30k or so I've been seeing this one too. It is a Viking 33. It started out in the low 20s but is now 15k in Mississauga, Ontario I don't know if that is near you or not...http://www.boatdealers.ca/usedboats/sailboats/racersandcruisers/cc/viking33/106647/cc-viking33-used-boat-for-sale.aspx These are really great sailing boats -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 in Portsmouth Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:05:46 -
Stus-List Okay, I don't usually...
...like to make fun of any particular boats but, WTF is this supposed to be? This is actually uglier than a McGregor! http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/boa/4004262802.html___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild
Hello all, I'm looking into rebuilding my carb. I'm having some idling issues and It's getting better and better but I think It should be better still. When I looked inside the carb. It was dirty and gritty...no good, I sprayed it all with carb cleaner. Although it is better I want to try a rebuild and more aggressive cleaning. I've found the moyer rebuild kit at $87.00 + shipping then I found this one for $26.00 and I could buy 3 for the less and get free shipping... http://www.carburetion.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?Part=KT-5535 It seems it is even a better kit in that it has more parts, specifically, it seems to have the throttle arm seal and cap in it. Is moyer really just price gouging? he even charges another $12.50 for his tech tip videos on trouble shooting you carb. I mean I'm all for a guy making a buck but, you'd think if he is charging more than triple on parts, he could throw in the videos... I'll probably pay the $12.50 to see it, especially if I save all that dough on the kit! Then, I don't have to feel guilty about not giving the guy my business... I mean I'd hate to see him go out of business... Anyway, maybe this is a substandard kit? Also, I have a rebuilt carb that I did last year before I knew I was buying the Moyer exchange engine. So, I'll swap that in, I would just like to have a rebuilt one on standby... I also found a farm tractor supply selling the whole carb for $175.46 Moyer wants $270 http://www.farmersserviceinc.com/marine.htm Any comments or suggestions are always appreciated! I thought this could be good infor for the other A4 boats... if there are any left LOL Danny ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild
Yea, I've spent A LOT of money at Moyer Marine and I'm happy to help keep him going. However, Boats are expensive and it seems these carburetors need to be rebuilt quite often. So, he charges for the conveinience. I get it. I'm just slightly annoyed that my brand new Moyer exchange engine with like 25 hours on it is not running like a clock... Thanks for the feed back on Moyers prices. Any insights on my idling issue? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Robert Mazza To: "C&C Mailing List" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:54:27 -0400 I rebuilt my entire A4 using Don's rebuild manual and his Amish machinists to rebore the cylinders and remachine the head. Without Don Moyer, we Atomic Four owners would be up a creek. If his parts are more expensive (I've never looked elsewhere), in my opinion,�it's money well spent just to maintain his expertise and knowledge. I learned a lot just attending one of his seminars.�Rob On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:54 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: Hello all, I'm looking into rebuilding my carb. �I'm having some idling issues and It's getting better and better but I think It should be better still. �When I looked inside the carb. �It was dirty and gritty...no good, I sprayed it all with carb cleaner. �Although it is better I want to try a rebuild and more aggressive cleaning. I've found the moyer rebuild kit at $87.00 + shipping then I found this one for $26.00 and I could buy 3 for the less and get free shipping... http://www.carburetion.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?Part=KT-5535 It seems it is even a better kit in that it has more parts, specifically, it seems to have the throttle arm seal and cap in it. Is moyer really just price gouging? he even charges another $12.50 for his tech tip videos on trouble shooting you carb. �I mean I'm all for a guy making a buck but, you'd think if he is charging more than triple on parts, he could throw in the videos... �I'll probably pay the $12.50 to see it, especially if I save all that dough on the kit! �Then, I don't have to feel guilty about not giving the guy my business... �I mean I'd hate to see him go out of business... Anyway, maybe this is a substandard kit? Also, I have a rebuilt carb that I did last year before I knew I was buying the Moyer exchange engine. �So, I'll swap that in, I would just like to have a rebuilt one on standby... I also found a farm tractor supply selling the whole carb for $175.46 �Moyer wants $270 http://www.farmersserviceinc.com/marine.htm Any comments or suggestions are always appreciated! �I thought this could be good infor for the other A4 boats... if there are any left LOL Danny ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.
I will look at the tube! thanks...no one has brought that up yet and I never thought of it.. I have been playing with the idle mix screw It does have an effect but I still can't seem to get it to idle low enough I'm kind of saving the timing for last. I'm assuming Moyer set that precisely before it left their shop and I really don't want to mess with it yet. The choke seems to want to be fully open. I have a spare carburetor I rebuilt last year sitting in my toolbox. I'm going to swap that out next. That "should" eliminate clogged jets as a possible problem. I just put the plugs in this season and gapped them to spec, They are all a nice golden brown color. Here is a link to the carb with the flame arrestor removed http://sdrv.ms/14SwiMr ...and here is one of a the #1 spark plug http://sdrv.ms/1eZpLVP You can probably scroll around and see other photos and a couple of videos of the engine running. -- Original Message -- From: "jtsails" To: , Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 00:06:20 -0400 Also make sure the scavenge tube isn't blocked. James Delaney C&C 38 MkII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: "Michael Dean" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. > Danny, > > I am assuming that you didn't forget to try adjusting the idle mixture > screw. (I forgot one year - duh!) Did it have any effect? It may also be > worth loosening the distributor and turning it back and forth 10 degrees > or > so, though timing as very non-critical on the A4. Another thing to try is > to slowly pull the choke out in small increments. If it idles better then > something in the idle fuel path is likely plugged a bit and it is running > lean at idle. > > Another possibility is the float valve isn't closing perfectly and at idle > too much fuel is entering the carb. Sometimes the float valve can be > freed > up by shutting off the fuel supply and letting the engine run until the > carb > is empty. Open the fuel supply valve and start the engine - will take a > moment or two. The rush of fuel into the carb can sometimes clean the > float > valve if it is a bit gummy. > > I also assume the plugs are good and properly gapped. > > All I can suggest that doesn't require removing the carb again and blowing > out the various jets with compressed air. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > djhaug...@juno.com > Sent: August-19-13 2:55 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild > > Hello all, > > I'm looking into rebuilding my carb. I'm having some idling issues and > It's > getting better and better but I think It should be better still. When I > looked inside the carb. It was dirty and gritty...no good, > > I sprayed it all with carb cleaner. Although it is better I want to try a > rebuild and more aggressive cleaning. > > I've found the moyer rebuild kit at $87.00 + shipping then I found this > one > > for $26.00 and I could buy 3 for the less and get free shipping... > http://www.carburetion.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?Part=KT-5535 > > It seems it is even a better kit in that it has more parts, specifically, > it > seems to have the throttle arm seal and cap in it. > > Is moyer really just price gouging? > > he even charges another $12.50 for his tech tip videos on trouble shooting > you carb. I mean I'm all for a guy making a buck but, you'd think if he > is > charging more than triple on parts, he could throw in the videos... I'll > probably pay the $12.50 to see it, especially if I save all that dough on > the kit! Then, I don't have to feel guilty about not giving the guy my > business... I mean I'd hate to see him go out of business... > > Anyway, maybe this is a substandard kit? > > Also, I have a rebuilt carb that I did last year before I knew I was > buying > the Moyer exchange engine. So, I'll swap that in, I would just like to > have > a rebuilt one on standby... > > I also found a farm tractor supply selling the whole carb for $175.46 > Moyer > wants $270 > > http://www.farmersserviceinc.com/marine.htm > > Any comments or suggestions are always appreciated! I thought this could > be > good infor for the other A4 boats... if there are any left LOL > > Danny > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > >
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Josh, Pretty cool video, I'll have to watch more closely from home. I really appreciate the video and commend you for making and posting it! Thanks,Danny -- Original Message -- From: Josh Muckley To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 04:11:17 -0400 This video reviews some basic carburetor functions.� It is of a basic Chinese knock off carb but maybe it hits on something you didn't know.� Worth a try anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMqiHvWGec&feature=youtube_gdata_player Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 20, 2013 12:06 AM, "jtsails" wrote: Also make sure the scavenge tube isn't blocked. James Delaney C&C 38 MkII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: "Michael Dean" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Danny, I am assuming that you didn't forget to try adjusting the idle mixture screw. (I forgot one year - duh!) �Did it have any effect? �It may also be worth loosening the distributor and turning it back and forth 10 degrees or so, though timing as very non-critical on the A4. �Another thing to try is to slowly pull the choke out in small increments. �If it idles better then something in the idle fuel path is likely plugged a bit and it is running lean at idle. Another possibility is the float valve isn't closing perfectly and at idle too much fuel is entering the carb. �Sometimes the float valve can be freed up by shutting off the fuel supply and letting the engine run until the carb is empty. �Open the fuel supply valve and start the engine - will take a moment or two. �The rush of fuel into the carb can sometimes clean the float valve if it is a bit gummy. I also assume the plugs are good and properly gapped. All I can suggest that doesn't require removing the carb again and blowing out the various jets with compressed air. Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: August-19-13 2:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild Hello all, I'm looking into rebuilding my carb. �I'm having some idling issues and It's getting better and better but I think It should be better still. �When I looked inside the carb. �It was dirty and gritty...no good, I sprayed it all with carb cleaner. �Although it is better I want to try a rebuild and more aggressive cleaning. I've found the moyer rebuild kit at $87.00 + shipping then I found this one for $26.00 and I could buy 3 for the less and get free shipping... http://www.carburetion.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?Part=KT-5535 It seems it is even a better kit in that it has more parts, specifically, it seems to have the throttle arm seal and cap in it. Is moyer really just price gouging? he even charges another $12.50 for his tech tip videos on trouble shooting you carb. �I mean I'm all for a guy making a buck but, you'd think if he is charging more than triple on parts, he could throw in the videos... �I'll probably pay the $12.50 to see it, especially if I save all that dough on the kit! �Then, I don't have to feel guilty about not giving the guy my business... �I mean I'd hate to see him go out of business... Anyway, maybe this is a substandard kit? Also, I have a rebuilt carb that I did last year before I knew I was buying the Moyer exchange engine. �So, I'll swap that in, I would just like to have a rebuilt one on standby... I also found a farm tractor supply selling the whole carb for $175.46 Moyer wants $270 http://www.farmersserviceinc.com/marine.htm Any comments or suggestions are always appreciated! �I thought this could be good infor for the other A4 boats... if there are any left LOL Danny ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.
The new engine came with a carb...whether new or not...I'm not sure at this point. I did assume that. A few weeks is correct, We only got in the water in late august last year and took the boat out maybe 6 times. This year we have only been out 3 times so far because I've been fighting these issues since early july... Those 20 something hours include idling and running at the dock during troubleshooting and warming up and prepping to leave dock or mooring... Under load I'd bet it hasn't seen 12-15 hours. Actually now that I think about it...I haven't even burned a full tank of fuel yet. 18 gallons... On average, I probably run the engine 1 to 3 hours each time I take it out. If i'm just day-sailing, a 1/2 hour out of the harbor and 1/2 hour back in... I'm hoping one day soon to shorten that as I learn the boat and the harbor and maybe begin sailing in and out of the harbor! Of course, that seems an ambitious goal right now... Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Della Barba, Joe" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:58:44 -0400 Just FYI – I bought a new carb (at full Moyer price too) when I just could NOT get the engine to idle correctly no matter how many times I cleaned or rebuilt it. Apparently they develop issues other than what can be fixed by cleaning. I have noticed the metal itself will corrode and produce this odd looking whitish gunk if any water comes through with the gas and/or if the engine gets flooded. I still don’t get the 20 some hours thing. Wouldn’t that be a few weeks at most from being brand new? I think I had 20 hours on my new engine within 3 weeks of installing it at most. Did the new engine come with a new carb? Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:31 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Josh, Pretty cool video, I'll have to watch more closely from home. I really appreciate the video and commend you for making and posting it! Thanks, Danny -- Original Message -- From: Josh Muckley To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 04:11:17 -0400 This video reviews some basic carburetor functions.� It is of a basic Chinese knock off carb but maybe it hits on something you didn't know.� Worth a try anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMqiHvWGec&feature=youtube_gdata_player Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 20, 2013 12:06 AM, "jtsails" wrote: Also make sure the scavenge tube isn't blocked. James Delaney C&C 38 MkII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: "Michael Dean" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Danny, I am assuming that you didn't forget to try adjusting the idle mixture screw. (I forgot one year - duh!) �Did it have any effect? �It may also be worth loosening the distributor and turning it back and forth 10 degrees or so, though timing as very non-critical on the A4. �Another thing to try is to slowly pull the choke out in small increments. �If it idles better then something in the idle fuel path is likely plugged a bit and it is running lean at idle. Another possibility is the float valve isn't closing perfectly and at idle too much fuel is entering the carb. �Sometimes the float valve can be freed up by shutting off the fuel supply and letting the engine run until the carb is empty. �Open the fuel supply valve and start the engine - will take a moment or two. �The rush of fuel into the carb can sometimes clean the float valve if it is a bit gummy. I also assume the plugs are good and properly gapped. All I can suggest that doesn't require removing the carb again and blowing out the various jets with compressed air. Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: August-19-13 2:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild Hello all, I'm looking into rebuilding my carb. �I'm having some idling issues and It's getting better and better but I think It should be better still. �When I looked inside the carb. �It was dirty and gritty...no good, I sprayed it all with carb cleaner. �Although it is better I want to try a rebuild and more aggressive cleaning. I've found the moyer rebuild kit at $87.00 + shipping then I found this one for $26.00 and I could buy 3 for the less and get free shipping... http://www.carburetion.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?Part=KT-5535 It seems it is even a better kit in that it has more parts, specifically, it seems to
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.
I've been in contact with Don through email...I tried everything he suggested so far... -- Original Message -- From: "Della Barba, Joe" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:29:01 -0400 I would call Moyer ASAP and see what they say. I also would get a new carb from someplace if this goes on. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. The new engine came with a carb...whether new or not...I'm not sure at this point. I did assume that. A few weeks is correct, We only got in the water in late august last year and took the boat out maybe 6 times. This year we have only been out 3 times so far because I've been fighting these issues since early july... Those 20 something hours include idling and running at the dock during troubleshooting and warming up and prepping to leave dock or mooring... Under load I'd bet it hasn't seen 12-15 hours. Actually now that I think about it...I haven't even burned a full tank of fuel yet. 18 gallons... On average, I probably run the engine 1 to 3 hours each time I take it out. If i'm just day-sailing, a 1/2 hour out of the harbor and 1/2 hour back in... I'm hoping one day soon to shorten that as I learn the boat and the harbor and maybe begin sailing in and out of the harbor! Of course, that seems an ambitious goal right now... Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Della Barba, Joe" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:58:44 -0400 Just FYI – I bought a new carb (at full Moyer price too) when I just could NOT get the engine to idle correctly no matter how many times I cleaned or rebuilt it. Apparently they develop issues other than what can be fixed by cleaning. I have noticed the metal itself will corrode and produce this odd looking whitish gunk if any water comes through with the gas and/or if the engine gets flooded. I still don’t get the 20 some hours thing. Wouldn’t that be a few weeks at most from being brand new? I think I had 20 hours on my new engine within 3 weeks of installing it at most. Did the new engine come with a new carb? Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:31 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Josh, Pretty cool video, I'll have to watch more closely from home. I really appreciate the video and commend you for making and posting it! Thanks, Danny -- Original Message -- From: Josh Muckley To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 04:11:17 -0400 This video reviews some basic carburetor functions.� It is of a basic Chinese knock off carb but maybe it hits on something you didn't know.� Worth a try anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMqiHvWGec&feature=youtube_gdata_player Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 20, 2013 12:06 AM, "jtsails" wrote: Also make sure the scavenge tube isn't blocked. James Delaney C&C 38 MkII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: "Michael Dean" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Danny, I am assuming that you didn't forget to try adjusting the idle mixture screw. (I forgot one year - duh!) �Did it have any effect? �It may also be worth loosening the distributor and turning it back and forth 10 degrees or so, though timing as very non-critical on the A4. �Another thing to try is to slowly pull the choke out in small increments. �If it idles better then something in the idle fuel path is likely plugged a bit and it is running lean at idle. Another possibility is the float valve isn't closing perfectly and at idle too much fuel is entering the carb. �Sometimes the float valve can be freed up by shutting off the fuel supply and letting the engine run until the carb is empty. �Open the fuel supply valve and start the engine - will take a moment or two. �The rush of fuel into the carb can sometimes clean the float valve if it is a bit gummy. I also assume the plugs are good and properly gapped. All I can suggest that doesn't require removing the carb again and blowing out the various jets with compressed air. Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: August-19-13 2:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild Hello all, I'm
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Here is a link to a folder with tons of photos. If you go to the end you see my latest photos and video of my carb, plugs and the engine running. The newest video was take Sunday http://sdrv.ms/SFe8dh -- Original Message -- From: "Della Barba, Joe" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:06:15 -0400 If you don’t have one, do add a vacuum gauge. That will be good info. I pretty much wasted hours on my old carb before just getting a new one, but you may have a new one. Any way you can post a photo or video someplace? Also – once again – there are a lot of smart people over on the Moyer forum. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sylvain Laplante Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:53 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Hi, Typically timing should be set before you adjust the carb . One thing to note also is that with a new engine it is normal to have to adjust it again, as the rings seal better, internal resistance decrease ( after break-in ). Make sure ALL the intake gaskets seal properly and are tightened to recommended torque, typically an erratic idle will be caused by a dirty idle circuit or, quite often, by an air leak ( shown sometimes when it runs better with choke on ). There are different ways to trace an air leak ( vaporize gas, wd-40, ether ) around each joint between intake manifold and carb ), for that, ask Don Moyer about which fluid he recommends you to use. On most carburetors, idle mixture screw should be adjusted when throttle is completely closed, no choke on, engine warm and properly timed. Of course valves should be adjusted within specs but I don't think you will need to go that far :-) Sylvain C&C27MkIII From: "djhaug...@juno.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. I will look at the tube! thanks...no one has brought that up yet and I never thought of it.. I have been playing with the idle mix screw It does have an effect but I still can't seem to get it to idle low enough I'm kind of saving the timing for last. I'm assuming Moyer set that precisely before it left their shop and I really don't want to mess with it yet. The choke seems to want to be fully open. I have a spare carburetor I rebuilt last year sitting in my toolbox. I'm going to swap that out next. That "should" eliminate clogged jets as a possible problem. I just put the plugs in this season and gapped them to spec, They are all a nice golden brown color. Here is a link to the carb with the flame arrestor removed http://sdrv.ms/14SwiMr ...and here is one of a the #1 spark plug http://sdrv.ms/1eZpLVP You can probably scroll around and see other photos and a couple of videos of the engine running. -- Original Message -- From: "jtsails" To: , Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 00:06:20 -0400 Also make sure the scavenge tube isn't blocked. James Delaney C&C 38 MkII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: "Michael Dean" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. > Danny, > > I am assuming that you didn't forget to try adjusting the idle mixture > screw. (I forgot one year - duh!) Did it have any effect? It may also be > worth loosening the distributor and turning it back and forth 10 degrees > or > so, though timing as very non-critical on the A4. Another thing to try is > to slowly pull the choke out in small increments. If it idles better then > something in the idle fuel path is likely plugged a bit and it is running > lean at idle. > > Another possibility is the float valve isn't closing perfectly and at idle > too much fuel is entering the carb. Sometimes the float valve can be > freed > up by shutting off the fuel supply and letting the engine run until the > carb > is empty. Open the fuel supply valve and start the engine - will take a > moment or two. The rush of fuel into the carb can sometimes clean the > float > valve if it is a bit gummy. > > I also assume the plugs are good and properly gapped. > > All I can suggest that doesn't require removing the carb again and blowing > out the various jets with compressed air. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > djhaug...@juno.com > Sent: August-19-13 2:55 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb rebuild > > Hello all, > > I'm looking into rebuilding my carb. I'm having some idling issues and
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I run a racor water separating filter and then there is an inline filter that came with the engine between the pump and the carb. I've seen that can of carb cleaner and was considering that. for the rebuild on the current carb. If you look at the photos, there is some grit and grime in the carb visible when the flame arrestor is removed... I'm not sure what this indicates... but, it did clean out of there pretty easily with the can of carb cleaner. -- Original Message -- From: Bill Bina To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:22:03 -0400 To clean a carb, sprays are pretty futile unless the contamination is very fresh. NAPA auto sells a gallon paint can of REAL solvents that comes complete with a strainer basket. remove anything from the carb that is not METAL, as this stuff will soften or melt all plastics and gaskets. Soak the carb, jets, and other metal parts for an hour or two and they will be CLEAN. The price will scare you, but you can clean many carbs with it. I've had situations where I cleaned a carb and the crap in the fuel tank re-clogged it almost immediately. It doesn't take much to plug a jet. A brand new carb won't run any better than a 30 year old one, if there is crap in the fuel. Off brand filters such as Fram, (especially Fram!) often supply their own contamination as they disintegrate. Bill Bina On 8/20/2013 10:08 AM, Michael Brown wrote: > I would advise getting a professional rebuild done if the advice here > does not help. > > There are some other things you could try, such as spray or liquid > cleaners, but the > residue will go through the engine. The Atomic 4 does not have high > compression > or cylinder temperature so those chemicals are going to get to your > exhaust hose > or possibly past the rings. Maybe not, but I would not risk it. It is > easy to remove > the fuel pump water settling cup, partially fill it with carb cleaner, > and then idle the > motor. That will clean the idle circuit reasonably well. > > The chemicals used at a rebuild shop will clean all the gum and > varnish off. > A spray just is not strong enough and does not sit concentrated long > enough. > > A rebuild should also include adjusting the carb on a wet flow bench. > The shop > will use the flow bench to set air/fuel mixture to spec usually at a > few points, > > 1) on choke > 2) idle > 3) wide open throttle > > They will also know if the carb is not adjusting correctly, something > very hard to > guess at when trying it on a live engine. > > The Zenith carb on Windburn was rebuilt by Carburetor Rebuilders > Company Limited > in Toronto for about $200. They are at: > > http://www.carbrebuilders.com/ > > Mike > > C&C 30 > Windburn > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I was trying to get cajun ropes to this for me but after a few emails and I sent them a link on the splicing...communication stopped... I'm still using the old wire/rope halyards. They are in good shape, I was just hoping to get my main halyard back to the cockpit, Of course, the lazy jacks make that an exercise in futility. I'm thinking to take the advice of Eric Frank and get in the habit of pulling the lazy jacks up the the mast after I drop the sail. Of course the downside to this is that someone needs to put it back before dropping the mainsail... -- Original Message -- From: Steve Thomas To: Subject: Re: Stus-List New halyards Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:40:35 -0400 In all of the discussions about using high tech line for halyards over the years, there is one solution to the problem of the "hand" of the thinner lines that I don't recall being suggested. Why not use ordinary half inch or larger spliced polyester tails similar to the way that wire and polyester are spliced? That sort of splice is beyond my knowledge or skill, as is the wire to polyester splice for that matter, but there must be people who know how. It may not be possible for every combination, but there must be some products that are compatible. This combination would also solve some of the wear problems associated with the high tech lines, since the larger diameter polyester tails are quite durable and can be sized to be of adequate strength long after they get soft and fuzzy. Steve ThomasC&C27 MKIIIPort Stanley, ON___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.
Sylvan,I'm not really that well versed in carburetor repair. What is the instrument for measuring vacuum and where does one attach such an instrument on the A4's carb? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Sylvain Laplante To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) I've always used round toothpicks to clean jets, also useful to remove pilot/air jets, spray carb cleaner several times per orifice, and better use an air compressor. I still believe this is an air leak in the intake issue. A vacuum gauge reading without leak should show between 17 and 21 if I remember correctly ( with a steady needle ). SylvainC&C27MkIII From: Robert Wooden To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. I have a later model A-4, and had very good luck with the rebuild kit from Moyer. As I recall new jets were included. Be careful as you remove them, as I recall a deep well socket was used to avoid breakage. I agree with others that anything beyond solvent (such as manually reaming or cleaning the jets) will probably lead to other problems. Been there, done that, not going to do it again... Bob Wooden Rhapsody 27-3 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on this boat?
I don't know about CS boats... She sure looks nice though. Hingham is a little far for me. 2.5 - 3 hours round trip Please note: message attached From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on this boat? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:21:35 -0300 This one just popped up on YachtWorld. I've heard very positive comments about the build quality of CS boats. The 2 avail locally are asking $35000-38000. The interior layout looks good - with a little extra galley space and the double rear berth. Anyone want to check that one out for me??? Mark Click on image to enlarge 30' CS 30 Year: 1988 Current Price: US$ 22,500 Located In Hingham, MA Hull Material: Fiberglass Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel YW# 3144-2638685 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/CS-30-2638685/Hingham/MA/United-States#.UhyjrBusiSo -- - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1985 - C&C 33 Winter Boat Cover
I used Fairclough and am very happy with the result. They were much cheaper than the other companies I contacted. There are a bunch of these at our marina. They had me fill out a form with measurements and then, they came to my boat twice. Once to build the frame and measure for the cover, then to install the cover. They say have 100s of existing patterns, they did not have mine. It came out great! DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Raymond Macklin To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 1985 - C&C 33 Winter Boat Cover Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:14:34 -0500 It is getting to be that time of the year again.� I bought my 1985 C&C 33 last year and it was stored inside.� This year it is going outside.� I am trying to locate an winter cover or a company that makes covers for the 33 C&C.� If anyone can point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. RayLakeHouseLibertyville, IL___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New (replacement) sails
Marek, I went through this last year. I ended up at a local sail maker just for convenience of service. They came to the boat to measure and to install for the first time. I know a lot of people are really happy with Rolly Tasker from my research. the only negatives i found were people who didn't actually have their sails. Those that did were generally happy through all the threads I read. ...And you could probably save about 30% through them. I have no experience with them other than getting a quote and I have no connection to them. Keep in mind, it is boat show season and most lofts are offering discounts of about 15%. Just call and say you met them at the show. Newport is the weekend of the 14th and Annapolis is in October. Just check the website and see if one of the lofts you are interested in is at the show... Good luck! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Marek Dziedzic" To: Subject: Stus-List New (replacement) sails Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:25:49 -0400 Hi, The decision has been made - we are getting new sails. The ones we have are about 20 years old and even my admiral can see that they are quite blown (stretched). Now the questions start: what kind and where to buy. We are in Ottawa, so there is no local sail loft. Doyle Sail can accept local orders, but I don't expect that they would come to the boat to do the measurements. This opens things up a bit, because suddenly there is no difference between anyone local and buying the sails on-line (or is there?). Regarding where, I was thinking about Rolly Tasker, National Sails Supply, FX Sails (The Sails Store) and a few more. Do you have any recommendations (or horror stories)? Regarding what: - cruising sails (we don't race) - fairly light (I try not to overpower; we reef early or don't sail if it is really blowing (I don't think we sailed over 25 kt) and we need good sails for those days when it is hardly blowing at all). Is 6.5-7 oz Dacron good? too much, too little? - I would like to get 2nd reef on the main - any comments (worth it, not really)? - I am thinking about the 135% genoa; however, I find that what I have is a bit small ( I would have to check if it is really a 135% or is it smaller). I would not go to 150-155%; I don't think I would ever be able to trim it correctly and it would be too much to handle. But what about 140%? I could easily handle a sail with the foot a 1 ft longer. - some vendors offer a transparent window in the sail; others don't. Any thoughts about that? Any other suggestions, ideas, things to think of? thanks Marek___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 2013 Northeast Rendezvous
Well done Rob! I'm sorry I couldn't be there... Safe journey home to all Danny T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network - Reply message - From: "Robert Gallagher" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List 2013 Northeast Rendezvous Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 12:13 am As I walk the docks with beer in one hand, cigar in the other, all the sailors nestled in their berths, i gaze at each transom and say thanks to everyone who made this year's event a smashing success. C&C yachts, Good Old Boat Magazine, Mohegan Sun, Rob Ball, David Risch, those who came by boat, plane and ferry, happy sailing to all and to all a good night Till next year... Rob___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Boat
My Brother tried trailering a boat from Florida to Alaska about 6-7 years ago. He had nothing but problems. Trailer broke down once, the transmission on the F350 broke down twice, I think he had some braking issues. He said he saw his life flash before his eyes like 5 times on that trip. I think he was coasting down hill for good long stretch and then needed to slow down and the rig wasn't having it. I think then he was downshifting the transmission which led to those issues. Trailering a 10,000 lb load with a truck that barely is designed for that load is a recipe for multiple problems. Especially if someone is willing to loan you the truck. They probably don't care to much about it in the first place Just sayin'...Good luck on the closing. I think the best thing is your attitude about the willingness to walk away. You may lose a few hundred on the survey but...better a few hundred then many thousands in unforeseen "upgrades!" LOL ask me about that sometime! DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: "Marek Dziedzic" To: Subject: Stus-List New Boat Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:31:17 -0400 Mark, congratulations! Now the hard part begins... Having bought (and brought from the US) a boat last year, I can share some experience. 1. Survey I would strongly suggest doing a survey. You can find the list of local surveyors here: http://www.marinesurveyor.com/usa.html Count on about $500 for decent survey. But I consider it some of the better spent money in that whole deal. 2. Customs broker If you have a third party bringing the boat to Canada (and you are not present at the border) hire a Customs Broker. For me, it was the second best money spent. Count on about $250. They would prepare all necessary documentation, verify that the border crossing you are planning to use does not require anything else (and that everything in that package is to their liking - the requirements vary from crossing to crossing) and would collect the HST, so the boat would not be impounded until you pay it. With the help of the broker, my boat cleared in under 10 min. 3. Transport If you plan to sail her, you don't need to read on. If you plan to bring her in, the most cost effective option is uShip. But beware. Triple verify the reputation of the carrier (especially, how long he is in business). There are many fly by night operations that seem to be OK and are there only to steal your down payment (guess how I know). Your transport should be probably under $2500 (count about $1/mile or less). If you are not in rush, only better. Try avoiding sending cash. they would insist on getting a big down payment (for the gas); try resisting it as much as you can. Consider whatever you pay down as potential risk. Everyone I talked to recommended not to use the cradle for transport. It happens often enough that the cradle support goes through the hull during the transport. If you have a cradle, you can get some non-boat transport company, but the savings might be gone if you have to repair the hull. Rather, try finding a company that specialises in transporting boats and they would have a dedicated boat trailer. If you plan to transport her yourself, be very careful. These boats are heavy and the trailer you have available might not be in the best condition. You don't want to destroy the bearings 1500 miles from home in the middle of nowhere. Just to give you perspective; the guy who brought the boat for me, someone with 15 years experience transporting boats and with a new trailer (1 year old) had a bearing in the trailer exploding when travelling at about 40 mph. He spent two days driving around for parts and fixing it. Before you do that yourself, think if you are up to that challenge. Btw. he checked the temperature of each hub and the pressure in each tire every hour. I wish you good luck. And strong nerves. Marek ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Boat
How about a delivery captain sailing it back for you, or better yet, with you? You'd get a crash course and probably some really valuable experience under the tutelage of a seasoned salty dawg... Maybe that same someone could survey the boat as well? Just a thought... We happen to have just such a character on this list somewhere! Danny -- Original Message -- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:43:56 -0300 Does anyone know the total height of a C&C29 mk2? I just guessed at 11 ft for the purpose of getting bids - I figure pretty close - 5'3" draft and 6 ft interior headroom (starting ~12" below water level) then extra for bow and stern pulpit. As for the shipping comments - I need to sort out the best solution. Sailing it back would be fun - but maybe not functional for my time frame. I agree, if the boat is not in shape it's better to walk away - but I'm nervous about doing my first open water transit in a new (to me) boat. I'm looking at the prices - and I'll have to think hard about the challenges of towing ourselves. The truck is brand new with a towing package. The trailer is a heavy duty trailer, used to carry mini-excavators. I figure we'll total about 9000lbs. BTW - I've gotten a comment about the mast step being an expensive repair - is this a common problem with the 29's? Mark - Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca - There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 11/09/2013 11:02 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > Mark > > Marine Cradle Shop in Oakville can make you a cradle that will fit. > Plan on approx $1300 You are going to need one anyway. > > I trucked my J27 home on a cradle mounted on flatbed trailer. I draws > 4.9 feet but has lower freeboard than C&C29. Find out the height from > top of cabin/stanhions to bottom of keel and add that to trailer deck > height. Plan on flatbed trailer weighing approx 2000 lbs and add that > to boat disp to ensure you are well under tow capacity of the truck. > Take all registration papers for trailer with you as customs is far more > touchy about the trailer coming to canada than they are about a boat > > Have fun. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. > Mark Bodnar > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:39 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List New Boat > > > Ok. So I'm throwing caution into the wind, at least a bit. > > I have an accepted offer on the C&C29 Mk2 in Maine that I mentioned to > the list a while back. > http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html > For $8000. > > Having looked a several boats locally (2 C&C29's I quite liked but > neither would settle for less than $20K, plus a few other boats), and > given the various options avail I decided that this was my best option. > > I think I would have liked to get the CS30, but doubtful they would have > > dropped the price to where I would have wanted it. > > Little risky making an offer on an unseen boat. I feel like I almost > can't go wrong for $8000. Thank's to Bill for trying to get out to see > it. The seller has been good about giving me info on the boat, and as > best I can tell (emails and a phone conversation) seems honest -- I may > regret that assumption, but the offer is contingent on a survey - so if > there are any major issues then I'll likely just walk away. I likely > wouldn't bother with a survey if I was able to see it personally, but I > think it's prudent in this case, and will also give me a heads up on > issues I need to address once I have the boat in my possession. > > Now the logistics. Bill Burketts suggested a surveyor in the area (not > sure how close) - Gene Barnes. Anyone have any other suggestions? > > Plus the issue of getting the boat home. I've posted a listing on > uShip, but we are thinking about just going and hauling it back. I have > access to a truck that can haul 10-11000lbs, and access to a trailer > that can hold 14000lbs (I need to confirm that these will work > together!) > The boat is currently on jack stands. I'm thinking either I buy or > borrow a local cradle. > Does anyone have measurements on the proper cradle base size and pad > spacing for a 29 II? > There is a steel cradle for sale not far away > http://moncton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-other-Steel-Sa > ilboat-Cradle-for-Sale-W0QQAdIdZ509847290 > I'm trying to figure out if it will fit the boat properly - seems short > to me. > > For that matter - anyone near Halifax have a sailboat trailer that would > > fit a C&C 29? Or know of any at their club that might be avail for rent? > > Or a cradle I could rent? > > Mark > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com C
Re: Stus-List Replacing Edson pedestal steering cable and chain
I had my Edson steering fail on me last year. The chain part of the chain/cable wasn't really long enough and whoever installed it did not make sure the chain was properly centered over the sprocket. So, the rudder went full over to one side and was fine but, one time it went full over to port and the chain to wire connector rolled up onto the sprocket. It jammed and when I tried to free it, it de-railed and I had steering from just shy of midships to port. There were18 knot winds and 4 - 6 foot seas! I got Tow boat to take me home but, what an experience! The tow boat guy out of my Marina refused to come get me because he said conditions at the mouth of the river that lead to my marina were too bad. They towed me to New Bedford that day and then to my home port the following day. All the years I've paid for tow boat's unlimited towing and that was the first time I ever had to call them. well worth the cost over all those years! At first they wanted to tow me back to Vinyard Haven and I refused and had them bring me home. Unlimited service guarantees towing to home port! Get a little extra length on the chain part. I did that for the replacement. I went straight to Edson as they are just over in New Bedford and they confirmed it to be a good idea. I figured, with the chain/cable being properly centered, the extra length of chain was a little more added security. DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Chuck S To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Stus-List Replacing Edson pedestal steering cable and chain Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:17:07 + (UTC) Replacing Edson pedestal steering cable and chain: Edson has a great website that shows how the cable crosses inside the pedestal so the rudder goes right when you turn the wheel right. http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/steering_system_replacement_parts/index.php Here's what I remember: Basically, you remove the nuts on the cable tensioning bolts on the quadrant, rig pull strings for later, slip the cables out of the quadrant. Then remove the pull strings from the tensioning bolts, remove the saddle clamps to free the cable. Mark the orientation of the pedestal compass and remove it from the pedestal. Tape pull strings on each cable end. Pull the chain up off the pedestal sprocket, and pull the strings up and through and keep the oriented port and starboard. Mark the center of the new chain, sharpie pen, for future. Match the new cable length using the old one as a template, and mark where to make the eye with tape, then allow a good length for three clamps and doublecheck your work, cut excess. Tape the new cable ends to your pull strings, and fish the cables down through the pedestal and round the sheaves and then make up the ends; thimbles, tensioner bolts, saddle clamps. Center the wheel, and center the new chain on the sprocket using your mark. Use the pull string to pull the new cables around and thru the quadrant. Center the quadrant with the wheel centered before tensioning things evenly. Tension just enough to prevent slippage, but not so much that is strains the rudder bearings. Follow Edson advice on website. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJFrom: "Edd Schillay" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:23:45 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Steering Cable for a 37+ Len, Thanks. Found it on Defender (thanks Chuck). How hard it it to replace? All the best, Edd ---Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseNCC-1701-BC&C 37+ | City Island, NYwww.StarshipSailing.com---914.332.4400 | Office914.332.1671 | Fax914.774.9767 | Mobile---Sent via iPhone 5 On Sep 16, 2013, at 3:52 PM, "Len Mitchell" wrote: Edd, They are 7 feet long and 7 feet will give you extra. If the kit you buy is 9 feet you can cut them off. I was in the North Channel when mine went in a storm. The nearest replacement was 200 miles south so we used the spare genoa halyard cable and come to think of it, I haven't replaced that wire yet 5 years later. It's on my list. Len Mitchell Crazy Legs 1989 37+ -- This E-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this E-mail message immediately. -___ This List is pro
Re: Stus-List Bouncing Off a Shoal
Sorry to hear about that Rich... I hope it all works out with as little additional pain as possible... Danny Lolita Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Knowles Rich To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Bouncing Off a Shoal Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:55:37 -0300 Dunno. Yet. Hauling the boat Tuesday. I was way north if the red marker. Just not paying attention. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On Sep 29, 2013, at 19:40, Rick Taillieu wrote: Yes, ignoring that big red buoy can have its consequences. I've seen one boat cut through there but it was a Bayfield 29, very shallow draft. I hope the damage isn't too expensive to fix. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C&C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: September-29-13 19:33 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bouncing Off a Shoal Thrumcap. Not the first to do it but no excuse. Dumb. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On Sep 29, 2013, at 19:09, Rick Taillieu wrote: Rich, which one did you hit? Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C&C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: September-29-13 18:53 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS Transponder Info Good day to be rich. I just bounced my boat off a shoal near here and trashed the rudder. But I'm merely Rich:( Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6708 - Release Date: 09/29/13 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Standing height in C & C 40 1979
OMG that brought back some memories!!! LMAO -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Standing height in C & C 40 1979 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 01:24:48 + Anders, maybe you should lay down and munch on some chocolate chip cookies and milk. Anders Brandt wrote: > Does anybody know what the standing height in the salon near the stove is in > a C & C 40 1979 ? > I'm pretty high, so it matters a little:-) -- s/v Stella Blue www.wbryant.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize. (previously Volvo Diesel - opinions?)
Have you thought about a Jeanneau? -- Original Message -- From: Marek Fluder To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize. (previously Volvo Diesel - opinions?) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:56:53 -0400 Thank you all guys for sharing your opinions.They are appreciated very much.The actual deal breaker for me happened today afternoon spending some time at my dock looking at identical Beneteau 331 and Catalina 34 mk2. There is something about Catalinas that strikes my chord... Your opinions confirmed my feelings.I am inclined towards Cat 320, ~2000 vintage, but still opened to suggestions. MarekC&C 24 "Emilie"Hamilton Harbour, ON On 2013-10-07, at 7:58 PM, Indigo wrote: Don�t know the model of the Volvo engine in a fellow Club members Swan, but he found that a replacement for a suspected faulty thermostat was not available in the USA!� Caused him to miss the Club Cruise. � From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:33 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Diesel - opinions? � Water pump for Universal - ~$200 Water pump for Volvo - $600++ Starter for Volvo - $600++ In other words, take $$ for Universal or Yanmar part and multiply by 2 or 3 to get Volvo part price. I'm assuming the 331 has a newer Volvo.� If it's an older Volvo, it's an anchor. My opinion, look at a Catalina 309.� Much nicer boat. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA � � From: "honeys...@aol.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Diesel - opinions? � The parts for the Volvo diesel are VERY, VERY�expensive for such�a cheap engine.�I agree with the below assessment that the B 331 is indeed a pig to sail IMHO is just a over blown Bayliner with a fancy name. This is not an example of the finer Beneteau boats. � Jack C&C 39 TM � In a message dated 10/7/2013 6:12:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, charliekilo...@gmail.com writes: Don't know about the Volvo diesel, but the B331 is a pig under sail. Make sure you get a good sea trial so you know what you're getting into before you lay down a bunch of dough. My $0.02 Cheers Colin On 10/7/13, Steve Thomas wrote: > Good engines, parts are very expensive. > > Steve Thomas > C&C27 MKIII > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Marek > Fluder > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:49 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Volvo Diesel - opinions? > > > I am looking into a larger boat purchase and found a Beneteau 331 with Volvo > engine. > > I would be interested in hearing opinions about these engines especially in > Toronto area - availability of decent service, parts, > etc. > > Will appreciate all opinions including remarks about "cata-bene-huntalinas" > :) > > > Marek > > C&C 24 "Emilie" > > Hamilton Harbour, ON > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com � ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com � ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
