Hi Mark, I wouldn't worry too much about the hold back. They probably are a little disappointed at the price. I wouldn't take that personally. At least you can still walk if you don't like something you see. You'll get a lot of insight from the survey. Bring a notebook and get one of those head lamps! This is all stuff I Wish I did during my survey. I was so excited and full of wonder I didn't pay near close enough attention. LOL talk about a kid in a candy shop! I wish you all the best with the rest of the process! I'm excited for you!! LOL Thanks for sharing the whole thing! I keep looking for your emails with anticipation!! Danny
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 02:37:40 -0300 Ok. Thanks for all the advice. With my initial offer I had asked for a $2000 holdback to make sure the engine was running in the spring --- but with the final counter from the seller they are saying "no holdback and no adjustments to purchase price" -- I get the impression they a rather upset I pushed them so low. I figure they could have simply refused, and waited another year.... That said - they are treating this like an "as is, where is" sale now - and don't seem interested in any further negotiations about holdbacks etc. I talked to the mechanic that has worked on the engine the last 5-7 yrs today. I'm hoping to have him out to the boat on Sunday to start it up, run it a bit and then re-winterize it - give me as much of an "all clear" as he can. He said he has had only minor issues with this motor over the years - a small leak that has been fixed with new o-rings, a new starter. That said he is not a big fan of Volvo diesels - feels the parts are too expensive and the motor is not as solid as a Yanmar - but that this particular boat has not had any sig problems. My insurance has accepted the existing survey on the boat. But I think I'll take the recommendations and go ahead with a full survey myself - at least that will give me the start of a "to do" list for the boat. As for the "cracks" noted on the keel - I saw them when I looked at the boat. Tiny cracks along the keel/hull joint -- small enough I bet they'd fill with a coat or 2 of bottom paint. Looks like a little bit of filler or caulk fell out. Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca---------------------There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 28/10/2013 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: I now have an accepted offer on http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4 I think I got them as low as they would go. They started at $32000 Cdn - in the end we agreed to $22500. I have to pay for the winter storage and the broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold. The seller is adamant that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. I think it's a good deal. I could get a similar boat for a little less in Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the savings. I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather than trying to buy something 1200km away. This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last 2 years. Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some issues that will need to be addressed. Simple stuff like oiling the teak and cleaning. Re-covering cushions. A little bit of repair work on some wood. Few bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will need to be replaced. Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat that could do everything for me but not spend any money. We didn't get out for a beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I could get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain. I think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the family, but still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. Recent survey is attached. My question - would you re-survey the boat? The survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes? Boat has not been in the water since the survey. I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter - sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I think). Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations. Engine had a bit of surface rust. Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if I should do a new survey. BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point. I've learned a lot from watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple email threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc. Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list - too much good info to pass it up. Mark ----------------- CONDITIONAL SURVEY VESSEL: “SEA FEVER” March 2012 At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S. 30 Fibreglass Sloop “Sea Fever”. The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering wheel, the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been removed from the vessel and retained by the Owner. Underwater Hull – Generally in good condition with the following defects: Starboard Side The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is not considered significant. It has had a recent repair but should be reworked. The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and the filling has worked loose. Port Side The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is not considered significant. The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and the filling has worked loose. There are a few places where the glass covering on the keel have worn through and the lead keel is exposed. There are 2 small knicks in the fibreglass on the transom. Antifouling Antifouling should be re-coated. Rudder Good condition but some fibreglass cracking aroundthe pintle bearing. 2 Propellor & ShaftGood condition overall. Topsides The topsides are in good condition. No evidence of cracks or stress. No dock damage, but should be polished. Deck Area The deck is in good condition with no gel coat cracking. Stanchions are in good condition. The forward hatch glass cover is water stained. There are 2 Lewmar 30 winches and 2 Lewmar 43 winches, all in good working condition. Interior The interior is in good condition but shows evidence of water leaks, the brightwork requires refinishing, the settee cushions are in good condition. The bilges are clean with no obvious oil leaks. There is a 2-1/2lb dry chemical extinguisher adjacent to the engine box, which appears to be in good condition, but has no expiry date. It is fully charged at this time. There is a second 2-1/2lb chemical extinguisher adjacent to the galley stove. This is not mounted on a bulkhead and in places the paint on the body of this unit is peeling. It shows fully charged but I would recommend replacement. The galley stove is a 2 burner propane unit with an oven, it appears to be in reasonable condition. The propane cylinder is stored in a locker in the stern of the vessel. The head is located at the forward end on the starboard side, this is in a clean and good working condition. The batteries have an approved type shut off switch. They were in storage and not on board at the time of inspection. 3 Engine The engine compartment has antifreeze under the engine and there is leak from the circulating pump. The engine is a 2 cylinder Volvo Penta with a reduction gear. Oil levels were checked and were satisfactory. The through hulls were hammer tested and appear satisfactory. Electrical The electrical wiring is in good condition. The system has a battery shut off switch and a breaker panel. Both are clean and dry and in good condition. Equipment All of the navigation equipment and safety equipment have been removed for the winter. There is a 6" Galaxy compass in the cockpit, which is in good condition with no air bubbles. A Plough anchor with sufficient rode is located in the fore peak - good condition. Rigging The standing rigging is all stainless steel and in good condition. The running rigging is in reasonable condition. Recommendations 1. Replace the galley fire extinguisher 2. Have the propane system inspected by a licensed service person 3. Check rockets and flares for expiry dates 4. Repair cracks around rudder pintle 5. Repair cracks around keel to hull joint 4 Conclusion The overall condition is good and this boat is suitable for the intended service. Some cleaning is required inside the boat. I would anticipate the present day value to be in the range of $39,000 Alan H. Altass (S.N.A.M.E. - C.I.M.E.) -- --------------------- Dr. Mark BodnarB.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca---------------------There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana _______________________________________________This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com
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