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Re: Stus-List Torqing keel bolts

2015-01-22 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List

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Jake,

Thanks much for the help offer. I finished the bracing for the keel yesterday. 
This morning I head to the yard (if I can find it in this fog…) and we lift the 
hull off and move it into the shed. The yard has not really done this before so 
I keep showing them pictures of your hull sans keel and saying “we can do this…"

Pictures of the keel bracing just posted in my sporadically updated blog.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Jake Brodersen  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
>  
> I hauled the boat yesterday.  It is time to retorque the forward keel bolt 
> and check the torque on the rest of them.  It has been far too long since I 
> R&R’d the keel.  My ¾” ratchet set is ready, as well as a nice long bar to 
> put over the handle.  It would be nice to have a torque multiplier, but a bit 
> of elbow grease will have to do for now.   Other than that, it’s time to 
> sand, paint, and polish before I splash in April.  If you have any questions, 
> let me know.  I’ve been there before and have learned a lot from the process.
>  
> Jake
>  
> Jake Brodersen
> “Midnight Mistress”
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> Hampton VA
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 7:30 PM
> To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Torqing keel bolts
>  
> Burt,
>  
> I’m not sure what model C&C you have but the bolts on my 37’ are two sizes, 
> with the smaller one (keel bolt) directly under the mast. I’m fairly certain 
> that two different torque values may be called for. I haven’t even measured 
> them yet but tomorrow I start building a cradle/support in advance of lifting 
> the hull off of the keel (and removing the rudder) prior to moving the the 
> hull into the shed for painting. I won’t be tightening the keel until 
> sometime next late spring but would be interested in what you find when 
> re-torqueing yours if you drop the keel.
>  
> Jake Brodersen (C&C 35 MKIII) on the list has done this and he may be a good 
> source of info. I’ve seen the pictures of his keel and the forward bolt is 
> extremely long. Very, very long...
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>  
>> On Jan 19, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> I know this subject has been discussed in great detail. Sorry for any 
>> duplication.
>>  
>> I am in the process of procuring a three quarter drive torque wrench and 
>> sockets big enough to re-torque my keel bolts. Before I do this I just want 
>> to be sure that 350 foot-pounds is the correct adjustment. Also, all my keel 
>> bolts appear to be the same approximate size – very large. The nuts look 
>> like one and three quarter inch or larger. There is one, however forward of 
>> the mast step that is way smaller. Maybe three quarter inch. Not sure if 
>> that is a keel bolt. It doesn’t look like one. It almost looks like it could 
>> be a ground point but there are no bonding connections to it. It lines up 
>> over the forward most part of the keel right in the center of the bottom of 
>> the hull.
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Stus-List Annual rope sale at WestMarine

2015-01-22 Thread PME via CnC-List

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Hi,

I thought I would pass along that WestMarine is having a one day 40% off bulk 
rope sale tomorrow January 23.  This is good both in store and online.  Good 
time to replace a ratty line.



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Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




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Re: Stus-List Torqing keel bolts

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Dave, please take lots of photos, I, for one, am hoping to use your blog as a 
"how to" to do the same for my boat...and no one around here has ever even 
attempted to lift a boat off its keel.
many thanks...

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Jake,


Thanks much for the help offer. I finished the bracing for the keel yesterday. 
This morning I head to the yard (if I can find it in this fog…) and we lift the 
hull off and move it into the shed. The yard has not really done this before so 
I keep showing them pictures of your hull sans keel and saying “we can do this…"


Pictures of the keel bracing just posted in my sporadically updated blog.


Best,



Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit





On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Jake Brodersen  wrote:



Dave,
 
I hauled the boat yesterday.  It is time to retorque the forward keel bolt and 
check the torque on the rest of them.  It has been far too long since I R&R’d 
the keel.  My ¾” ratchet set is ready, as well as a nice long bar to put over 
the handle.  It would be nice to have a torque multiplier, but a bit of elbow 
grease will have to do for now.   Other than that, it’s time to sand, paint, 
and polish before I splash in April.  If you have any questions, let me know.  
I’ve been there before and have learned a lot from the process.
 
Jake
 
Jake Brodersen
“Midnight Mistress”
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA
 
 
 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 7:30 PM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Torqing keel bolts

 
Burt,

 

I’m not sure what model C&C you have but the bolts on my 37’ are two sizes, 
with the smaller one (keel bolt) directly under the mast. I’m fairly certain 
that two different torque values may be called for. I haven’t even measured 
them yet but tomorrow I start building a cradle/support in advance of lifting 
the hull off of the keel (and removing the rudder) prior to moving the the hull 
into the shed for painting. I won’t be tightening the keel until sometime next 
late spring but would be interested in what you find when re-torqueing yours if 
you drop the keel.

 

Jake Brodersen (C&C 35 MKIII) on the list has done this and he may be a good 
source of info. I’ve seen the pictures of his keel and the forward bolt is 
extremely long. Very, very long...

 

Good luck.

 

Best,




Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit



 


On Jan 19, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List  
wrote:

 

I know this subject has been discussed in great detail. Sorry for any 
duplication.

 

I am in the process of procuring a three quarter drive torque wrench and 
sockets big enough to re-torque my keel bolts. Before I do this I just want to 
be sure that 350 foot-pounds is the correct adjustment. Also, all my keel bolts 
appear to be the same approximate size – very large. The nuts look like one and 
three quarter inch or larger. There is one, however forward of the mast step 
that is way smaller. Maybe three quarter inch. Not sure if that is a keel bolt. 
It doesn’t look like one. It almost looks like it could be a ground point but 
there are no bonding connections to it. It lines up over the forward most part 
of the keel right in the center of the bottom of the hull.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List handicap for after market sprits

2015-01-22 Thread Ryan Raber via CnC-List

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That is total BS. Not The intent of the ruling at all. 

http://www.phrfne.org/page/handicapping/handicap_adjustments

No sprit on the C&C, it's to heavy in my opinion to benefit from a sprint. The 
faster the boat the better the AW angel so the A-kite can get out in clear air 
from the main.   That's a big source of controversy though I could be wrong.  
The 34r serve me well down wind. Up wind tougher game.  The IMX has a 20% sprit 
and a 3sec Credit, d/l is around 165. I'm probably going to lose that 3sec 
credit with the new rules proposed for next year. It was 1st at the ONE against 
all A-boat last year in D2. 


Ryan Raber
207.841.7881

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ryan,
> Locally they gave an adjustment to furlers, and gave the same credit to 
> anyone w a furler, above deck, under deck, Melges, J-105, etc.  And many 
> people kept the credit even when they used a sail that didn't furl.
> 
> Does Scapa have a sprit?  How much did they adjust your handicap?
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Ryan Raber via CnC-List" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:45:45 AM
> Subject: Stus-List handicap for after market sprits
> 
> Peat,  This Email below is from my FH in NE but the implementation of the 
> rule was delayed for public comment from our members.  Essentially the new 
> matrix adds three seconds to my old rating (IMX40) with the same 
> configuration.  There was an extensive study done  that revealed asymmetrical 
> spinnakers have been able to rotate further to Windward to allow deeper 
> downwind angles then the initial rating system accounted for this??  Other 
> members don't understand why boats that were built with Sprint are not 
> penalized or adjusted the same as the boats with sprint added to them 
> after-the-fact?  Our PHRF region has two main groups one more competitive 
> group in the Marblehead area and one less competitive group comprised of 
> older vessels in Maine.  The boats in  MH are 70-80% AS in the race fleet.  
> There are a group of older WELL maintained (Nelson Mrek,Frers, Taylor, and a 
> newer 36.7 beny) that go SM and class 5/6 are SM.  but all the big boats that 
> are racing have purchase or converted their boat to AS.  And of course all 
> the new one design fleets are asymmetrical j70….  In Maine its SM except for 
> the j/105’s and we have limited participation from a few AS Race boats 
> Farr395, 1D35, Swan club 42…  There are 2 conversion sprit boats 
> participating in Maine next year IMX40 and a Farr43.  I feel that 
> asymmetrical is the way of the future easier to sail and more fun. go at 
> least 20% or their pain to jibe.
> 
> The new matrix proposed is provided in the table below:
> 
> D/L=(dis (lbs.)/2240)/((0.01*WLL(ft))3)
> %=J*X for sprint length
> # are adjustment to your rating 
> 
> D/L   bow 10% 20% 30%
> >220  9   6   3   0
> 150-220   6   3   0   -3  
> 100-150   3   0   -3  -6
> >100  0   -3  -6  -9
> 
> 
> Good morning Ryan
> 
> Yes, I was there and a new rule has been passed for 2015.  The heart of the
> issue, as you probably already know, is that for a number of years boats
> which changed from a symmetrical spin to an asym were given a credit of up
> to 9 sec/mile.  PHRFNE is finally recognizing that the credit was a mistake
> in some cases.  
> 
> I don't know how it will impact your handicap because I don't have access to
> the 2014 cert for your boat (I can access only those boats that were in the
> GMORA fleet in 2014).  But the  rule is essentially based on the ratio of
> your displacement to LWL.  Then depending on that ratio and the length of
> your sprit relative to the J measurement, you may see a reduced spinnaker
> credit of 3, 6 or 9 sec/mile.  By the way, the displacement used will be
> based on an empty boat and that number may not be what is on the boat's 2014
> certificate.  
> 
> PHRFNE will be publishing, shortly, an explanation of the new rule in
> layman's terms so that you can understand what has transpired.
> 
> I recognize that the above has probably created more questions than answers
> but more will follow soon.
> 
> 
> Ryan Raber
> 207.841.7881
> r...@fvprovidian.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Test Email from Stu -- just delete it

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Hey, Stu...how come the donation bar is showing up at the top of messages
now? It makes reading them a little more difficult, especially for the
comprehension challenged like myself.

Jim Watts
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Re: Stus-List Annual rope sale at WestMarine

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Could someone send me a link to the practical sailor article where they
tested all the running rigging and had that handy chart? I can't seem to
find it. A date on the issue is fine since I am a subscriber.

Thanks,
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> I thought I would pass along that WestMarine is having a one day 40% off
> bulk rope sale tomorrow January 23.  This is good both in store and
> online.  Good time to replace a ratty line.
>
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Re: Stus-List Annual rope sale at WestMarine

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Thanks.  Last year they only offered 25%.  I hope they got the message that
selling at Defender's every day price is not a big deal.  Kevin, Can't find
that chart in my emails.  If I do I'll send it.

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>> online.  Good time to replace a ratty line.
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design

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 Well the C&C 30 One Design has not been doing well.   To be fair, the driver 
is an amateur up against some pros and he has beaten some Farr 280's on time 
but not on handicap.  See current results to date below.  Jerry C&C27 MKV. J&J. 
  

PHRF_Triple_ToD_2_ToT Division
PHRF 1
1. GBR 007 Red Farr 280 Joe Woods   
1 1 2 2 1 3 3 4   17.0
2. USA 52939 Teamwork J 122 Robin Team   3  
   6 3 7 6 1 1 1   28.0
3. USA 006 Decision  Farr 280 Stephen Murray 2  
   4 1 5 2 5 5 7   31.0
4. USA 41  Rhumb Punch   Farr 30  John Edwards4 
2 5 8 3 4 4 3   33.0
5. USA 52902 El Ocaso J 122 Richard Wesslund  5 
7 8 1 7 2 2 2   34.0
6. USA 005 D I E S E L  Farr 280Tate Russack 8  
   3 4 4 4 6 6 5   40.0
7. USA 001 Ragin' Farr 280 Bob Moran
 6 5 7 3 5 9/DNS 9/DNS 9/DNS   53.0
8. USA 30002 SALT  C&C 30  Oleksandr Ivanov 7   
  8 6 6 8 7 7 6   55.0


 

 

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To: Gary Nylander ; 1 CnC List 
Sent: Tue, Jan 20, 2015 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design


That was definitely not a 30-2 (no folding gate in the transom), I'd say the ID 
as a 29-1 is correct. 



Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC



On 20 January 2015 at 12:20, Gary Nylander via CnC-List  
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Yes, but that was a 30-2. Does it count?
 
Gary
30-1

  
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From:   Joel   Aronson via CnC-List 
  
To: Curtis ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:48   PM
  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one   design
  


  
Sadly, one 30 was lost in a fire last week:  


  
http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/ph-ac-cn-boat-fire-0119-20150118,0,5318626.story

  


  
The new 30s are a rich man's toy.  If anyone in Annapolis wants to   write a 
check for $150k to buy one I'll bring the beer!  I hope they sell   hundreds, 
but I'm not betting on it.  McConahay just announced a 30, plus   there are 
Farrs and Seascapes, just to name a few, to fragment a small   market.  Then 
there is the J monster.
  


  
Joel
  
35/3
  
Annapolis
  

  
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Curtis via CnC-List
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So right Gary. 





On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curtis  wrote:

  
  
ZZC-30-671-M81- E 
  
 
  
 
  
 What do they mean?
  


  
 
  

 
  
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Hoyt, Mike   via CnC-List 
 wrote:
  
  
  
In the US Sailing handicapping guide the C&C 30 is broken down into 
hulls 1 - 506
and 507+.  The more modern C&C 30-2 is listed separately

Mike
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Anyone know how many of the old 30-1s were made?
Always wondered.  I heard it was over 300.
Ron
Wild Cheri
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design

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Wow, the J-122, a racer/crusier like C&C used to stand for, is doing well 
against the all carbon sport boats. Just sayin. 


Chuck 
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Well the C&C 30 One Design has not been doing well. To be fair, the driver is 
an amateur up against some pros and he has beaten some Farr 280's on time but 
not on handicap. See current results to date below. Jerry C&C27 MKV. J&J. 

PHRF_Triple_ToD_2_ToT Division 
PHRF 1 
1. GBR 007 Red Farr 280 Joe Woods 1 1 2 2 1 3 3 4 17.0 
2. USA 52939 Teamwork J 122 Robin Team 3 6 3 7 6 1 1 1 28.0 
3. USA 006 Decision Farr 280 Stephen Murray 2 4 1 5 2 5 5 7 31.0 
4. USA 41 Rhumb Punch Farr 30 John Edwards 4 2 5 8 3 4 4 3 33.0 
5. USA 52902 El Ocaso J 122 Richard Wesslund 5 7 8 1 7 2 2 2 34.0 
6. USA 005 D I E S E L Farr 280 Tate Russack 8 3 4 4 4 6 6 5 40.0 
7. USA 001 Ragin' Farr 280 Bob Moran 6 5 7 3 5 9/DNS 9/DNS 9/DNS 53.0 
8. USA 30002 SALT C&C 30 Oleksandr Ivanov 7 8 6 6 8 7 7 6 55.0 



-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tue, Jan 20, 2015 3:29 pm 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design 

That was definitely not a 30-2 (no folding gate in the transom), I'd say the ID 
as a 29-1 is correct. 

Jim Watts 
Paradigm Shift 
C&C 35 Mk III 
Victoria, BC 

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Yes, but that was a 30-2. Does it count? 
Gary 
30-1 



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Sadly, one 30 was lost in a fire last week: 

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/ph-ac-cn-boat-fire-0119-20150118,0,5318626.story
 

The new 30s are a rich man's toy. If anyone in Annapolis wants to write a check 
for $150k to buy one I'll bring the beer! I hope they sell hundreds, but I'm 
not betting on it. McConahay just announced a 30, plus there are Farrs and 
Seascapes, just to name a few, to fragment a small market. Then there is the J 
monster. 

Joel 
35/3 
Annapolis 

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So right Gary. 

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curtis < cpt.b...@gmail.com > wrote: 



ZZC- 30- 671- M81- E 
What do they mean? 


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In the US Sailing handicapping guide the C&C 30 is broken down into hulls 1 - 
506 
and 507+. The more modern C&C 30-2 is listed separately 

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Anyone know how many of the old 30-1s were made? 
Always wondered. I heard it was over 300. 
Ron 
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Re: Stus-List Annual rope sale at WestMarine

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The chart isn't the whole story.  The graph really helps with finding the
best value for the size rope you're looking for.  I usually find that Yale
Crystaline or Sampson Warpspeed have the best dollar to stretch ratios...

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I tried to send you some $, but could not find the paypal link (I 
don't do checks anymore).  SHould I just use your email address below?


Tom B

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At 02:55 PM 1/22/2015, you wrote:

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Jim

Most people start reading at the beginning of the email and ignore 
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It is just a friendly note asking for a donation to keep the email 
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Stus-List Rudder removal - AKA What I don't know...

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So, I got a little further towards removing the hull today but no joy at the 
end of the day.

We were held up trying to removed the bolts holding the quadrant on due to 
standard stainless bolts in aluminum thread issues. Once we got that sorted out 
near the end of the day we found that we couldn’t drop the rudder shaft.

We loosened the two set screws (bolts really…) and tried to unscrew the 
stainless steel cap at the top of the shaft in the cockpit sole with the 
thought that this is what holds the assembly in place. We didn’t have much luck 
with that  initially and started in on the “don’t force it, get a bigger rock!” 
theory of mechanics. We have unscrewed it a bit but I’d like to make sure that 
I am moving in the right direction. And not totally f’ing things up as is my 
wont.

So my question to list is: Am I correct in thinking that the cap is screwed on? 
Has anyone done this on a circa early 80’s C&C rudder shaft?

Cheers,
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design

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Not sure I would say that this particular boat is in the realm of racer/cruiser 
that our old C&C’s were. It is used as a racer/daysailer only. Very optimized 
for racing and extremely well equipped and crewed. Their team has raced 
together for a number of years and are very good. Owned by friends of mine. 
They finally got enough wind today to do well against the Farr 280’s and are 
expecting a good day tomorrow too. 
James Taylor
S/V Delaney
1976 C&C 38
Oriental, NC

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Wow, the J-122, a racer/crusier like C&C used to stand for, is doing well 
against the all carbon sport boats.  Just sayin.



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md





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Well the C&C 30 One Design has not been doing well.   To be fair, the driver is 
an amateur up against some pros and he has beaten some Farr 280's on time but 
not on handicap.  See current results to date below.  Jerry C&C27 MKV. J&J.   

PHRF_Triple_ToD_2_ToT Division
PHRF 1
1. GBR 007 Red Farr 280 Joe Woods   
1 1 2 2 1 3 3 4   17.0
2. USA 52939 Teamwork J 122 Robin Team   3  
   6 3 7 6 1 1 1   28.0
3. USA 006 Decision  Farr 280 Stephen Murray 2  
   4 1 5 2 5 5 7   31.0
4. USA 41  Rhumb Punch   Farr 30  John Edwards4 
2 5 8 3 4 4 3   33.0
5. USA 52902 El Ocaso J 122 Richard Wesslund  5 
7 8 1 7 2 2 2   34.0
6. USA 005 D I E S E L  Farr 280Tate Russack 8  
   3 4 4 4 6 6 5   40.0
7. USA 001 Ragin' Farr 280 Bob Moran
 6 5 7 3 5 9/DNS 9/DNS 9/DNS   53.0
8. USA 30002 SALT  C&C 30  Oleksandr Ivanov 7   
  8 6 6 8 7 7 6   55.0




-Original Message-
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To: Gary Nylander ; 1 CnC List 
Sent: Tue, Jan 20, 2015 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design


That was definitely not a 30-2 (no folding gate in the transom), I'd say the ID 
as a 29-1 is correct. 


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 20 January 2015 at 12:20, Gary Nylander via CnC-List  
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  Yes, but that was a 30-2. Does it count?

  Gary
  30-1
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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: Curtis ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design

Sadly, one 30 was lost in a fire last week: 


http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/ph-ac-cn-boat-fire-0119-20150118,0,5318626.story


The new 30s are a rich man's toy.  If anyone in Annapolis wants to write a 
check for $150k to buy one I'll bring the beer!  I hope they sell hundreds, but 
I'm not betting on it.  McConahay just announced a 30, plus there are Farrs and 
Seascapes, just to name a few, to fragment a small market.  Then there is the J 
monster.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Curtis via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  So right Gary. 

  On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curtis  wrote:

ZZC-30-671-M81-   E 


What do they mean?



 
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 wrote:

  In the US Sailing handicapping guide the C&C 30 is broken down into 
hulls 1 - 506
  and 507+.  The more modern C&C 30-2 is listed separately

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  Not sure I would say that this particular boat is in the realm of 
racer/cruiser that our old C&Câ?Ts were. It is used as a racer/daysailer only. 
Very optimized for racing and extremely well equipped and crewed. Their team 
has raced together for a number of years and are very good. Owned by friends of 
mine. They finally got enough wind today to do well against the Farr 280â?Ts 
and are expecting a good day tomorrow too. 
  James Taylor
  S/V Delaney
  1976 C&C 38
  Oriental, NC

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against the all carbon sport boats.  Just sayin.



  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md



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  Well the C&C 30 One Design has not been doing well.   To be fair, the driver 
is an amateur up against some pros and he has beaten some Farr 280's on time 
but not on handicap.  See current results to date below.  Jerry C&C27 MKV. J&J. 
  

  PHRF_Triple_ToD_2_ToT Division
  PHRF 1
  1. GBR 007 Red Farr 280 Joe Woods 
  1 1 2 2 1 3 3 4   17.0
  2. USA 52939 Teamwork J 122 Robin Team   
3 6 3 7 6 1 1 1   28.0
  3. USA 006 Decision  Farr 280 Stephen Murray 
2 4 1 5 2 5 5 7   31.0
  4. USA 41  Rhumb Punch   Farr 30  John Edwards4   
  2 5 8 3 4 4 3   33.0
  5. USA 52902 El Ocaso J 122 Richard Wesslund  5   
  7 8 1 7 2 2 2   34.0
  6. USA 005 D I E S E L  Farr 280Tate Russack 
8 3 4 4 4 6 6 5   40.0
  7. USA 001 Ragin' Farr 280 Bob Moran  
   6 5 7 3 5 9/DNS 9/DNS 9/DNS   53.0
  8. USA 30002 SALT  C&C 30  Oleksandr Ivanov 7 
8 6 6 8 7 7 6   55.0




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  Sent: Tue, Jan 20, 2015 3:29 pm
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design


  That was definitely not a 30-2 (no folding gate in the transom), I'd say the 
ID as a 29-1 is correct. 


  Jim Watts
  Paradigm Shift
  C&C 35 Mk III
  Victoria, BC


  On 20 January 2015 at 12:20, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Yes, but that was a 30-2. Does it count?

Gary
30-1
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  To: Curtis ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design

  Sadly, one 30 was lost in a fire last week: 

  
http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_t

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Re: Stus-List Rudder removal - AKA What I don't know...

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Dave,

The cap (donut) in the cockpit hold the rudder shaft in the boat.  There are
two set screws that must be loosened first.  Turning it counterclockwise
will lower the rudder.  It's a lot easier to do without any tension on the
rudder shaft.  I use a small hydraulic jack and some timbers to take the
pressure off.

The quadrant bolts can be a bear.  I've had my rudder out three times now.
Anti-seize is a wonderful thing.

Jake

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After removing the bolts holding the cap, check to make sure there aren't set 
screws inside the threaded holes. The cap should unscrew easily. My shaft has a 
threaded hole in which I can screw in an eye bolt. It allows me to attach a 
line to the shaft for support, while adjusting the cap. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

So, I got a little further towards removing the hull today but no joy at the 
end of the day. 

We were held up trying to removed the bolts holding the quadrant on due to 
standard stainless bolts in aluminum thread issues. Once we got that sorted out 
near the end of the day we found that we couldn’t drop the rudder shaft. 

We loosened the two set screws (bolts really…) and tried to unscrew the 
stainless steel cap at the top of the shaft in the cockpit sole with the 
thought that this is what holds the assembly in place. We didn’t have much luck 
with that initially and started in on the “don’t force it, get a bigger rock!” 
theory of mechanics. We have unscrewed it a bit but I’d like to make sure that 
I am moving in the right direction. And not totally f’ing things up as is my 
wont. 

So my question to list is: Am I correct in thinking that the cap is screwed on? 
Has anyone done this on a circa early 80’s C&C rudder shaft? 

Cheers, 
Dave Godwin 
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin 
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay 
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 one design

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It's hard to weed your question out of all the nested quotes, but you may
just have the wrong keyboard selected on your computer. I normally just see
that weird stuff in people's quotes, and I'm set to Canadian English/US
standard. I think.

Jim Watts
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Victoria, BC

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> below has an - a with a carot on top, followed by a euro sign and a
> trademark symbol and a small s - all in the place that a single quote
> should be.
>
> 
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* jtsails via CnC-List 
> *To:* Chuck S  ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:24 PM
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>  Not sure I would say that this particular boat is in the realm of
> racer/cruiser that our old C&Câ€™s were. It is used as a racer/daysailer
> only. Very optimized for racing and extremely well equipped and crewed.
> Their team has raced together for a number of years and are very good.
> Owned by friends of mine. They finally got enough wind today to do well
> against the Farr 280â€™s and are expecting a good day tomorrow too.
> James Taylor
> S/V Delaney
> 1976 C&C 38
> Oriental, NC
>
>  *From:* Chuck S via CnC-List 
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> *To:* Jerome Tauber  ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
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> well against the all carbon sport boats.  Just sayin.
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
> --
> *From: *"Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:07:29 PM
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> Well the C&C 30 One Design has not been doing well.   To be fair, the
> driver is an amateur up against some pros and he has beaten some Farr 280's
> on time but not on handicap.  See current results to date below.  Jerry
> C&C27 MKV. J&J.
>
> PHRF_Triple_ToD_2_ToT Division
> PHRF 1
> 1. GBR 007 Red Farr 280 Joe
> Woods   1 1 2 2 1 3 3 4
> 17.0
> 2. USA 52939 Teamwork J 122 Robin
> Team   3 6 3 7 6 1 1 1
> 28.0
> 3. USA 006 Decision  Farr 280 Stephen
> Murray 2 4 1 5 2 5 5 7   31.0
> 4. USA 41  Rhumb Punch   Farr 30  John Edwards
> 4 2 5 8 3 4 4 3   33.0
> 5. USA 52902 El Ocaso J 122 Richard Wesslund
> 5 7 8 1 7 2 2 2   34.0
> 6. USA 005 D I E S E L  Farr 280Tate
> Russack 8 3 4 4 4 6 6 5
> 40.0
> 7. USA 001 Ragin' Farr 280 Bob
> Moran 6 5 7 3 5 9/DNS 9/DNS
> 9/DNS   53.0
> 8. USA 30002 SALT  C&C 30  Oleksandr
> Ivanov 7 8 6 6 8 7 7 6   55.0
>
>
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> -Original Message-
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> To: Gary Nylander ; 1 CnC List <
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>  That was definitely not a 30-2 (no folding gate in the transom),

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You sure?

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I see that shit as typical code generated by the 
dumb phones people use, 'cause they're "mobile" 
and must respond to the list on their 'device' 
and probably outside the office. For us old guys, 
it is assumed that list response is best done 
during office hours at your desktop machine and 
on company time. :)   sorry retired guys and other unnamed layabouts Wally


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



It's hard to weed your question out of all the 
nested quotes, but you may just have the wrong 
keyboard selected on your computer. I normally 
just see that weird stuff in people's quotes, 
and I'm set to Canadian English/US standard. I think.


Jim Watts
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carot on top, followed by a euro sign and a 
trademark symbol and a small s - all in the 
place that a single quote should be.

Â

Â
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Not sure I would say that this particular boat 
is in the realm of racer/cruiser that our old 
C&CÃ¢s were. It is us used as a 
racer/daysailer only. Very optimized for racing 
and extremely well equipped and crewed. Their 
team has raced together for a number of years 
and are very good. Owned by friends of mine. 
They finally got enough wind today to do well 
against the Farr 280Ã¢s and are expecting a good day tomorrow tw too.

James Taylor
S/V Delaney
1976 C&C 38
Oriental, NC
Â
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CNC boat owners, cnc-list

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stand for, is doing well against the all carbon sport boats.Â  Just sayin.

Â
Â
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Resolute
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Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Â
Well the C&C 30 One Design has not been doing 
well.Â Â  To be fair, the driver is an amateur 
up against some pros and he has beaten some Farr 
280's on time but not on handicap.Â  See current 
results to date below.Â  Jerry C&C27 MKV. J&J.Â Â


PHRF_Triple_ToD_2_ToT Division
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  PHRF 1
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  1. GBR 007Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  RedÂ Â 
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Farr 280Â Â Â 
Â  Joe WoodsÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  1Â Â Â Â  1Â Â 
Â Â  2Â Â Â Â  2Â Â Â Â  1Â Â Â Â  3Â Â Â Â  3Â 
Â Â Â  4Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  17.0Â Â Â
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  2. USA 52939Â Â Â Â  TeamworkÂ Â 
Â Â Â Â Â Â  J 122Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Robin TeamÂ Â 
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  3Â Â Â Â  6Â Â Â Â  3Â Â Â 
Â  7Â Â Â Â  6Â Â Â Â  1Â Â Â Â  1Â Â Â Â  1Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  28.0Â Â Â
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I passed on the comments below to an old sailing buddy of mine who lives in 
Kingston simply as an FYI. He responded as follows:

"As a city resident, I agree with the city hall moves so far.  Instead of 
writing to politicians, tell your friends to send money!”

Hmmm….

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax, NS.

On Jan 20, 2015, at 07:26, Robert Mazza via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi Richard,

I'm not sure how effective it might be, but dropping a quick email to the Mayor 
and the seven councillors who voted against the motion to acquire the property 
from the Federal government  upon which the museum sits would be greatly 
appreciated. I think it is important to remind them that the Marine Museum of 
the Great Lakes at Kingston has a much broader constituency than just Kingston. 
Emails from far afield might emphasise that. The New Age of Sail exhibit, the 
founding of the Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame, and the preservation of the 
history of recreational sailing in Canada and the Great Lakes are all 
initiatives in which the Marine Museum has been involved. Just letting them 
know that "the whole world is watching" might be very beneficial!

Rob

Mayor Brian Paterson:   bpater...@cityofkingston.ca 

Peter Stroud: pstr...@cityofkingston.ca 
Jeff McLaren: jmcla...@cityofkingston.ca 
Liz Schell: lsch...@cityofkingston.ca 
Rob Hutchinson: rhutchin...@cityofkingston.ca 

Lisa Osanic: losa...@cityofkingston.ca 
Kevin George: kgeo...@cityofkingston.ca 
Ryan Boehme: rboe...@cityofkingston.ca 

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Richard N. Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com>> wrote:
Rob, is there anything we can do as an organization? Obviously, a large portion 
of us are south of the border, but we want to see the museum be successful in 
this as well as our Canadian brethren; what would you recommend?

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: Harry Hallgring mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com>>
Cc: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Kingston Marine Museum in danger

Harry,

Pdfs of all drawings can be obtained from the Museum Curator, Sandrena Raymond, 
at (cura...@marmuseum.ca ). Let's hope that the 
drawings will still be available for many years to come. However, all Canadians 
should drop a note to their Conservative MPs, if they want to help.

Rob

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Harry Hallgring mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com>> wrote:
Hi Rob,
Truly a critical period in the history of the museum...wish i could write a 
huge check!  Fearing losing forever the opportunity to acquire the drawings for 
MIRAGE, i would like to initiate the process buy them.  She is a 1985 C&C 
Northeast 39 built in the Bruckman yard.  Would you be able to point me in the 
right direction to get this rolling?  

Harry Hallgring
Sent from my iPad

On Jan 19, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> Thanks for letting everyone know about this. As you might know, I serve on 
> the Board of Trustees of the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, 
> and I was the co-curator of the New Age of Sail exhibit at the Museum last 
> year, one of the high points of which was inducting George Cuthbertson and 
> Bruce Kirby into the Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame. Your attached piece by 
> Mr. Granatstein is quite accurate. The Marine Museum is facing extinction if 
> the Federal Government doesn't change its mind and hangs on to this historic 
> piece of waterfront property, or if they don't work more closely with the 
> City of Kingston to help them acquire the land. Otherwise it will be sold to 
> private developers who will evict the Museum to build more condos.  The 
> Museum does not have enough money to finance a relocation, even if a suitable 
> location was available.
> 
> Yes, please write your MPs, especially the Conservative ones. This is very 
> serious stuff. The Museum holds the entire C&C Collection of drawings, as 
> well as drawings from German and Milne, and many other prominent Canadian 
> Naval Architects and shipbuilders.
> 
> Rob Mazza
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>

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