date:20130522

Calypso is a fine looking vessel. Its great that you have photos of your
boat under sail. Its hard to get good photos out sailing. The Calypso Is
sweet with a good size for coastal cruising. perhaps a bit to large for me
to do alone. My C&C30 MK1 is just the right size for me " now" that may
change when I retire and start cruising full time.
Again... Great looking boat...


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Russ & Melody  wrote:

>  Martin...
> That looks really good. I'm glad you got out on the day it didn't rain on
> the west coast.
> (nudge nudge. don't let 'em know it can be like this many days, all year
> round. The poor lads are still seeing ice on some lakes and even hafta haul
> the boats INTO the water in the spring.. not outta the water, fer christ's
> sake)
>
> We had a grand weekend on the 'Round Saltspring Island Race. A few of us
> lucky boats got through Sansum Narrows and finished before midnight... the
> first ones of the other 80 boats started to show around 09:00 on Sunday.
> (race cut-off @ 10:00)
>  http://saltspringsailing.ca/roundsaltspring/results/
>
> ****Cheers, Russ
>
> At 05:12 PM 21/05/2013, you wrote:
>
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> **
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>
>
>
> Here is link to a pic of an old C&C going to weather.  (I purchased copies
> from Jan’s for both my wall and computer desk top.)
>
> We were racing double-handed.  The spin pole is on the mast to keep the
> heavy #1 sheets from tangling in the baby stay.  I estimate we tacked 25 to
> 30 times over the 30 mile course out to Port Townsend.  Fortunately the
> return race on Sunday was all downwind giving the crew a well-deserved rest
> from grinding.
>
> http://janpix.smugmug.com/Boats/Race-to-the-Straits-2013/29291605_WVLQ3n#!i=2497822185&k=Dn8nxVV&lb=1&s=L
>
> Martin
> Calypso
> 1970 C&C 43
> Seattle
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Pic of Calypso from Race to the Straits 2013

2013-05-22 Thread djhaug...@juno.com

Thats a great looking shot of a great looking boat!

Please note: message attached

From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Pic of Calypso from Race to the Straits 2013
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:12:41 +

Here is link to a pic of an old C&C going to weather.  (I purchased copies from 
Jan's for both my wall and computer desk top.)

We were racing double-handed.  The spin pole is on the mast to keep the heavy 
#1 sheets from tangling in the baby stay.  I estimate we tacked 25 to 30 times 
over the 30 mile course out to Port Townsend.  Fortunately the return race on 
Sunday was all downwind giving the crew a well-deserved rest from grinding.

http://janpix.smugmug.com/Boats/Race-to-the-Straits-2013/29291605_WVLQ3n#!i=2497822185&k=Dn8nxVV&lb=1&s=L

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

I almost got a T-42 Thinkpad. They are very nice, but from the specs I read 
they don't have a serial port. I use my serial port for AIS and connecting to 
the SSB for PSK-31 and use the USB input with a serial converter for the GPS 
input. When I saw the 600X come up for a good price I decided to take the easy 
way out. My hard drive from the 600E slid right in and everything worked :)  I 
might grab a T-42 for a web surfing computer onboard. I am very strict with the 
nav computer - it never goes online and never does ANYTHING but navigate. Much 
more reliable that way. Does the T-42 run on 12 volts? The 600 series needs 
16-18 volts to charge the battery, but it will run directly on 12 volts if you 
need it to. I found a 12 volts DC > 16 volt DC power supply for the 600s on 
Fleabay years ago for about $10 :)

Too bad about the world chart thing :(  For a USAian it is not a big deal 
though. It isn't that hard to grab all the free charts you want from NOAA. I 
can see why NOAA would not want an automated screen grabber running against 
their server. Copyright aside, those things can take down a website if you 
allow too many to run against your servers.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & Melody
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

Hi Jim,

The CPN community was gathering 2700 world charts posted on the Internet into a 
single source file when a US govment agency trashed the effort... or something 
like that. You need to read a few pages at the beginning and near the end of 
the thread to get the jist.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f134/charts-ii-nga-2700-charts-63396.html

great guys and a valiant effort... for naught perhaps.

Cheers, Russ


At 09:59 PM 21/05/2013, you wrote:

What world chart issue is/was this?


On 21 May 2013 21:51, Russ & Melody 
mailto:russ...@telus.net>> wrote:
Hey Joe,
I've used the old CPN on a Panasonic CF-48 (race boat) and Thinkpad 42 (my 
boat), XP SP2 or 3, with okay results for the geek oriented. Sometimes it would 
need some coaching on the comm ports for GPS & AIS data. So it wasn't good for 
the skipper who has the CF-48 onboard. He also has a plotter so it was a minor 
irritation.
I am looking forward to getting both machines loaded with the current OpenCPN, 
with AIS. I also have the CM-93 to install (for evaluation purposes). Hopefully 
all this is done before the VanIsle360 starts.
Too bad their world chart effort hit the ditch last year.
Cheers, Russ


At 12:02 PM 21/05/2013, you wrote:
I just upgraded the boat computer from a ThinkPad 600E to 600X*. Now I am 
cruising with Pentium III power instead of Pentium II I can get OpenCPN working 
quite well. Anyone else using it? I really like the tides, currents, and AIS 
functions. I still don't like ENC charts much, but the raster charts work great.
* for $45 shipped. Thanks FleaBay!
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more
interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with
tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul
your boat over winter?

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art &
design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is
very appealing!

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor
> of the vee birth.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve:
>>
>> Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
>> deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor
>> connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.
>>
>> A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the
>> boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does
>> make tacking a little more cumbersome.
>>
>> Bob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>>
>> On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some
>>> peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
>>> Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine
>>> doesn't.
>>> However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the vee
>>> birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had
>>> something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of
>>> there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on
>>> deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how
>>> they were building these but i guess not.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>> Toronto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

Woops ... sorry didn't mean to send that to the entire list!
If any other listers from Halifax want to chime in please feel free to
email me offline.
Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
> city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more
> interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with
> tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul
> your boat over winter?
>
> I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
> often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art &
> design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is
> very appealing!
>
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor
>> of the vee birth.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott > > wrote:
>>
>>> Steve:
>>>
>>> Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
>>> deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor
>>> connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.
>>>
>>> A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the
>>> boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does
>>> make tacking a little more cumbersome.
>>>
>>> Bob Abbott
>>> AZURA
>>> C&C 32 - 84
>>> Halifax, NS
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>>>
 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some
 peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
 Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine
 doesn't.
 However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the
 vee birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had
 something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of
 there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on
 deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how
 they were building these but i guess not.

 Steve
 Suhana, C&C 32
 Toronto



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Re: Stus-List NOAA Mobile app for Android

Booo .. not available in my region (Canada).

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Bob Moriarty  wrote:

> Stevan,
> I downloaded to my Nexus 7 via the Google Play link on Bill's
> http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mynoaacharts/
> link.
> Bob M
> Ox 33-1
> Jax, FL
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
>> Bill, how did you download this on your nexus 7? I'm getting a "this
>> isn't supported on your device" from the google play store.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Bob Moriarty  wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> Thanks for the info. Downloaded and did a quick test drive on a Nexus 7.
>>> I also downloaded the Coastal Pilot for my neck of the woods.
>>> The open source licenses show it's based on MX Mariner (Will Kamp),
>>> which costs a whopping $6.99 (USD). Will contributed to the OpenCPN effort
>>> (also open source) and then took it into the Android world.
>>> Bob M
>>> Ox 33-1
>>> Jax, FL
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

2013-05-22 Thread Hoyt, Mike

Steve
 
The water tastes different when it splashes all over your face
 
Sailing is good in Halifax.  Generally consistent breezes, tides are an
issue a bit due to currents but more so in that where you had plenty of
water 6 hours ago you will have less now.  All obstacles in Halifax area
are well marked and the water is very deep - you can sail within feet of
the shore in most areas before tacking.
 
In Halifax you have a number of clubs situated in Northwest Arm,
Shearwater (near Eastern Passage), Dartmouth and Bedford.  You can pick
flatter water in the Basin area of more open water near the Harbour
approaches.  In Halifax there are a number of public docks downtown as
well as some in Dartmouth.  You can tie up for the afternoon or evening
and go to a restaurant or to Buskers etc ... 
 
Leaving Halifax harbour and approaches you turn right and sail to
destinations such as St Margaret's Bay where there is typically more and
steady breezes.  While there be on the lookout for Dwight in his 35.  I
believe that is about a 30 mile trek from Halifax by water.  In between
there is a popular overnight anchorage "Rogues Roost" and a few other
small inlets.  Past St Margaret's Bay and Peggy's Cove you come to
Mahone Bay, then Lunenburg and that whole area.  Excellent destination
and sailing.  Keep on going and you can pass Yarmouth and sail across
the Gulf of Maine destinations in New England and beyond.
 
leave Halifax and turn left and there are less sailing areas but there
are some interesting harbours.  120+ NM and you are nearing Canso,
Chedabucto Bay and the choice to go to the Bras d'Ors Lakes in Cape
Breton (world renowned) or thru the causeway to Georges Bay and then
left to Northumberland Strait (where I sail) which is bordered by Nova
Scotia, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick.  Rather than turning
left into Northumberland Strait you can continue on around PEI to the
Magdalene Islands.
 
In Halifax, Mahone Bay, Lunenenburg/South Shore areas the waters are
very cold.  Hearty people love to go for a swim but it had better be
warm weather and later in the summer.  In the Bras d'Ors lakes it warms
up in August and the water is great for swimming at anchor.  In the
Northumberland Strait water is 20+ deg C by 2nd week of July and all
summer.  Typically 24 in our Bay.
 
Downside of sailing in Halifax and on that coast is fog.  With a SW wind
it is often just off the coast and some days you will find yourself
sailing thru very thick fog.  This is not so nice when you consider that
Halifax is a major commercial port.  Mahone Bay stretches inland and is
mostly fog free.  Bras d'Ors Lakes and Northumberland Strait are spoiled
but never see fog (almost never).
 
If you like racing you can go just about anywhere in Halifax, St
Margaret's Bay, Chester, Lunenburg, etc on that coast or Charlottetown,
Shediac and other p[laces on the Northern shore of Nova Scotia.  Also
Beddeck in Bras D'Ors Lakes and Sydney in Cape Breton.
 
So basically if you love sailing there is a lifetime's worth of it in
Halifax if you like to venture out of port once in a while and fun
sailing in Halifax if you don't.  I sail in the Northumberland Strait in
Amet Sound June, July and August while it is warm, unpolluted and great
summer weather (light winds mostly) and then in Halifax in the Fall for
a bit of fun on windier brisk days - 250 NM by water or a quick two hour
drive with boat on a trailer.
 
Hope this helps
 
Mike


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Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay


Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of
this city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot
more interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never
dealt with tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out
there? Do you haul your boat over winter? 

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art &
design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general
is very appealing!


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa 
wrote:


Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on
the floor of the vee birth.  

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott
 wrote:


Steve:

Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle
connected to the deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck
to the floor connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull
of the baby stay.

A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby
stay off the boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left
mine on.  It does make

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

Bob!  Don't give any secrets away!  Tell him that this is one of the world's 
great places to go sailing and that the entire ocean goes up and down 6' or so 
around Halifax a couple of times a day without any problems most of the time. 
Other than that, s!

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-05-22, at 10:16, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this city 
.. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more interesting 
than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with tides and 
currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul your boat over 
winter?

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty often. 
Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art & design and 
Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is very appealing!

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
> Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor of 
> the vee birth. 
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott  
> wrote:
>> Steve:
>> 
>> Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the 
>> deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor 
>> connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.
>> 
>> A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the 
>> boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does 
>> make tacking a little more cumbersome.
>> 
>> Bob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, NS
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>>> Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some 
>>> peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
>>> Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine doesn't.
>>> However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the vee 
>>> birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had 
>>> something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of 
>>> there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on 
>>> deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how 
>>> they were building these but i guess not.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>> Toronto
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

2013-05-22 Thread Jeffrey Nelson

Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome. You can have the world as your 
destination if you have time.
There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there are 5 clubs in 
Halifax to choose your racing
from. There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most weekends. Cruising down 
to Chester is about a 
day's sail. Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet. Lots to do and 
see. There is a cruising 
guide available at "the Binnacle" ca.binnacle.com to get an idea of cruising 
around here.

I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the "Right" coast and am 
really enjoying the sailing
here in Halifax area. Of course, I've always been used to tides as I grew up 
here and have a cottage on
the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or so...

--
Cheers,
 Jeff Nelson
 Muir Caileag
 C&C 30
 Armdale Yacht Club

On 05/22/13, Stevan Plavsa   wrote:
> Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this 
> city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more 
> interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with 
> tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul 
> your boat over winter? 
> 
> I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty often. 
> Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art & design and 
> Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is very 
> appealing!
> 
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor of 
> > the vee birth.  
> > 
> > Steve
> > Suhana, C&C 32
> > Toronto
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >  Steve:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the 
> > > deck.there is a 'SS rod' that runs from the deck to the floor 
> > > connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby 
> > > stay.
> > >  
> > > 
> > > A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the 
> > > boat(s). Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on. It does 
> > > make tacking a little more cumbersome.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bob Abbott
> > > 
> > > AZURA
> > > 
> > > C&C 32 - 84
> > > 
> > > Halifax, NS
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >  Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some 
> > > > peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
> > > > 
> > > > Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine 
> > > > doesn't.
> > > > 
> > > > However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the 
> > > > vee birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have 
> > > > had something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on 
> > > > deck of there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a 
> > > > fitting on deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have 
> > > > settled on how they were building these but i guess not.
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Steve
> > > > 
> > > > Suhana, C&C 32
> > > > 
> > > > Toronto
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

Wow guys, great feedback! Thank you very much for taking the time to
write... and so quickly!
Do the boats go on the hard for the winter and how long is the sailing
season?!?
I have yet to visit but the next trip I take will be to see the east coast
with my girlfriend. Neither of us have ever been though I've been out west
several times. It's cloudy out there and there are a lot of hippies.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jeffrey Nelson wrote:

> Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome.  You can have the world as  your
> destination if you have time.
> There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there are 5 clubs
> in Halifax to choose your racing
> from.  There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most weekends.
> Cruising down to Chester is about a
> day's sail.  Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet.  Lots to
> do and see.  There is a cruising
> guide available at "the Binnacle" ca.binnacle.com to get an idea of
> cruising around here.
>
> I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the "Right" coast and
> am really enjoying the sailing
> here in Halifax area.  Of course, I've always been used to tides as I grew
> up here and have a cottage on
> the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or so...
>
> --
> Cheers,
>Jeff Nelson
>Muir Caileag
>C&C 30
>Armdale Yacht Club
>
>
> On 05/22/13, *Stevan Plavsa *  wrote:
>
> Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
> city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more
> interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with
> tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul
> your boat over winter?
>
> I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
> often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art &
> design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is
> very appealing!
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor
>> of the vee birth.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott > > wrote:
>>
>>> Steve:
>>>
>>> Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
>>> deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor
>>> connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.
>>>
>>> A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the
>>> boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does
>>> make tacking a little more cumbersome.
>>>
>>> Bob Abbott
>>> AZURA
>>> C&C 32 - 84
>>> Halifax, NS
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>>>
 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some
 peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
 Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine
 doesn't.
 However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the
 vee birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had
 something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of
 there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on
 deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how
 they were building these but i guess not.

 Steve
 Suhana, C&C 32
 Toronto



>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Theoretical Hull Speed

2013-05-22 Thread Ronald B. Frerker

Just to reinforce Dennis' comment; many boats pick up waterline length when 
heeling and thus increase potential boat speed.Also keep in mind that unless 
it's GPS speed, speedo's can have error.  We had a boat in the marina that 
could do 0.5kt while sitting at the dock!RonWild CheriC&C 30STL

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From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com 
Subject: Stus-List Theoretical Hull Speed
To: "CnC" 
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2013, 6:41 PM

#yiv1986051629 body {font-family:"Calibri", "Slate Pro", 
"sans-serif";color:#262626;}  My 26 has a theoretical hull speed around 61/4 
knots. I've had 7.9 on a beam reach once with main and 135% genoa. So your not 
alone! I guess the optimum word is theoretical. Sam Salter C&C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay - Now Halifax Sailing

2013-05-22 Thread Hoyt, Mike

Yes to on the hard.  However three clubs in Halifax provide some in
water storage using bubbling systems (RNSYS, AYC, DYC).  This is mostly
for larger boats.  Season starts about now (racing has been underway for
three weeks I believe at RNSYS and the first open regatta was last week
at AYC) and ends typically by mid - end October.  The last open race is
typically Die Hard Race out of AYC around Oct 23.  Two years ago was 7
deg North Wind 25+ knots on that race.  Most boats have begun haukling
by then.  On Northumberland Strait it gets cold or rainy after about mid
Sept so boats tend to launch a couple weeks later and haul a couple
weeks earlier than in Halifax and in Charlottetown etc ...  
 
Sailing is AWESOME in Halifax in the Fall!  If you are the kind of
sailor that loves a quick sail where you get back to dock with all your
charts and other items on the cabin floor after a sail then you will
love a typical Fall Day here.  
 
Mike



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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay


Wow guys, great feedback! Thank you very much for taking the time to
write... and so quickly! 
Do the boats go on the hard for the winter and how long is the sailing
season?!?
I have yet to visit but the next trip I take will be to see the east
coast with my girlfriend. Neither of us have ever been though I've been
out west several times. It's cloudy out there and there are a lot of
hippies.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jeffrey Nelson 
wrote:


Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome.  You can have the
world as  your destination if you have time.
There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there
are 5 clubs in Halifax to choose your racing
from.  There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most
weekends.  Cruising down to Chester is about a 
day's sail.  Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet.
Lots to do and see.  There is a cruising 
guide available at "the Binnacle" ca.binnacle.com to get an idea
of cruising around here.

I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the "Right"
coast and am really enjoying the sailing
here in Halifax area.  Of course, I've always been used to tides
as I grew up here and have a cottage on
the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or
so...

--
Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   C&C 30
   Armdale Yacht Club 


On 05/22/13, Stevan Plavsa  wrote: 

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's
getting tired of this city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax?
I'm sure it's a lot more interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a
lake I've never dealt with tides and currents. Is the sailing very
challenging out there? Do you haul your boat over winter? 

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings
at NSCAD pretty often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed,
particularly art & design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the
east coast in general is very appealing!


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa
 wrote:


Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the
fitting/tube thingy on the floor of the vee birth.  

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott
 wrote:


Steve:

Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on
a tunrbuckle connected to the deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs
from the deck to the floor connection in the vee birth that supports the
upwards pull of the baby stay.

A few of the 32 owners here have simply
taken their baby stay off the boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it
there, I have left mine on.  It does make tacking a little more
cumbersome.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, NS


On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa
wrote:


Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but
your feedback leaves me with some peace of mind and that'll make the
job, any job, easier.
Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I
know the 32 had one, mi

Re: Stus-List Starting a diesel

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Coleman

Well, this is good to know.
Not sure if it enough to bring one back on board, as my Kubota seems to
bleed itself . . .

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


-Original Message-
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Kilgour
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a diesel

I've used WD recently - in 2009 - to re-start after having a hydro
lock in the cylinders.  Works like a charm.

Make sure you keep a can or two on board.   (Even if you prefer PB
Blaster for other uses)

Cheers
Colin



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Re: Stus-List Theoretical Hull Speed

2013-05-22 Thread Marek Dziedzic

I would like to make two points:

 - This is "theoretical max speed" (with the emphasis on the _theoretical_); 
this means (among others) that in practice, it can be different. The other 
thing is that it only means that if you want to go faster, substantially higher 
force (pushing you forward) is required or that the drag grows substantially 
above that speed (in short, this is the point where the function goes 
non-linear). In practice this means that quite often you can beat your hull 
speed by a small margin.

 - the GPS speed is over the bottom; the hull speed is in the water; they may 
differ significantly due to drift, current and all other factors that make your 
boat move not exactly in the direction you want it.

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Stus-List Halifax

Well said, Mike. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-05-22, at 10:42, "Hoyt, Mike"  wrote:

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Stus-List Halifax Sailing

2013-05-22 Thread Robert Abbott


Steve:

The length of the sailing season depends on the sailor.the racers at 
our club (Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron) have been doing the 
Wednesday nights since early May.  The club's opening regatta is this 
weekend.   The last open regatta at the club is always on the 
Thanksgiving weekend in October.  Our club has a 'cruising' schedule 
every summer.a few short trips (over nighters) and usually one long 
cruisethis summer they are going to Maine.


Most boats are hauled in the winter although there are some that stay in 
the water.


Mike Hoyt provided a good overview of the sailing around here. There is 
quite a variety of sailing options from simple day sailing to 
exceptional places to cruise, e.g. St. Margret's Bay, Mahone Bay.


Every August, there is a major regatta at the Chester Yacht Club in 
Mahone Bay.there is a large contingent of yachts that make there way 
there, some to race and some just to be a part of the ambiance. There 
are usually over 100 boats signed up for the racing.  Islands, beaches 
and clean water abound.hard to find nicer places to sail.


Halifax harbor is where I spend most of my time.you can stay in the 
North West Arm, or go 'up' the harbor to Bedford Basin, or stay in the 
inner harbor, or head for the outer harbor approaches.  One of my 
favorite afternoon sails is when we have a nice, warm SW windclose 
reach out the outer harbor until it is time to turn around and broad 
reach back in.


Hope I didn't give too much away Rich and we end up with all the C&C 
list moving here and crowding us.


Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





On 2013/05/22 10:55 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
Wow guys, great feedback! Thank you very much for taking the time to 
write... and so quickly!
Do the boats go on the hard for the winter and how long is the sailing 
season?!?
I have yet to visit but the next trip I take will be to see the east 
coast with my girlfriend. Neither of us have ever been though I've 
been out west several times. It's cloudy out there and there are a lot 
of hippies.


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jeffrey Nelson 
mailto:nelson2...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:


Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome.  You can have the world
as your destination if you have time.
There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there are
5 clubs in Halifax to choose your racing
from.  There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most
weekends.  Cruising down to Chester is about a
day's sail.  Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet. 
Lots to do and see.  There is a cruising

guide available at "the Binnacle" ca.binnacle.com
 to get an idea of cruising around here.

I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the "Right"
coast and am really enjoying the sailing
here in Halifax area.  Of course, I've always been used to tides
as I grew up here and have a cottage on
the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or so...

--
Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   C&C 30
   Armdale Yacht Club


On 05/22/13, *Stevan Plavsa * mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired
of this city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure
it's a lot more interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a
lake I've never dealt with tides and currents. Is the sailing
very challenging out there? Do you haul your boat over winter?

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD
pretty often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed,
particularly art & design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact,
the east coast in general is very appealing!

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

Yea Steve, pay attention to what Mike says, it's too foggy and cold down
here to make a move for better sailing worth it to you, and the water is not
fit to drink.

 

Launch date for me is early this year 11 June, because of cold, fog, high
winds and lines that stream from lobster pots until the end of May.  Halifax
harbour is plugged with cargo ships and cruise liners that refuse to get out
of your way and often cause a lot of trouble for smaller boats in just
passing by.  There is a beach just at the entrance to the inner harbour
called Hangman's beach for a reason and that is pretty creepy too.  

 

On the other hand the university arts program has just received a nice boost
from a good sized private donation so that may be good for you from an
employment perspective.

 

Why not make a visit first and get out for a sail.  Any numbers of us down
here would be happy to oblige.  I sail mostly in St. Margaret's Bay if that
interests you so there is one offer already.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

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Mike
Sent: May 22, 2013 10:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

 

Steve

 

The water tastes different when it splashes all over your face

 

Sailing is good in Halifax.  Generally consistent breezes, tides are an
issue a bit due to currents but more so in that where you had plenty of
water 6 hours ago you will have less now.  All obstacles in Halifax area are
well marked and the water is very deep - you can sail within feet of the
shore in most areas before tacking.

 

In Halifax you have a number of clubs situated in Northwest Arm, Shearwater
(near Eastern Passage), Dartmouth and Bedford.  You can pick flatter water
in the Basin area of more open water near the Harbour approaches.  In
Halifax there are a number of public docks downtown as well as some in
Dartmouth.  You can tie up for the afternoon or evening and go to a
restaurant or to Buskers etc ... 

 

Leaving Halifax harbour and approaches you turn right and sail to
destinations such as St Margaret's Bay where there is typically more and
steady breezes.  While there be on the lookout for Dwight in his 35.  I
believe that is about a 30 mile trek from Halifax by water.  In between
there is a popular overnight anchorage "Rogues Roost" and a few other small
inlets.  Past St Margaret's Bay and Peggy's Cove you come to Mahone Bay,
then Lunenburg and that whole area.  Excellent destination and sailing.
Keep on going and you can pass Yarmouth and sail across the Gulf of Maine
destinations in New England and beyond.

 

leave Halifax and turn left and there are less sailing areas but there are
some interesting harbours.  120+ NM and you are nearing Canso, Chedabucto
Bay and the choice to go to the Bras d'Ors Lakes in Cape Breton (world
renowned) or thru the causeway to Georges Bay and then left to
Northumberland Strait (where I sail) which is bordered by Nova Scotia,
Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick.  Rather than turning left into
Northumberland Strait you can continue on around PEI to the Magdalene
Islands.

 

In Halifax, Mahone Bay, Lunenenburg/South Shore areas the waters are very
cold.  Hearty people love to go for a swim but it had better be warm weather
and later in the summer.  In the Bras d'Ors lakes it warms up in August and
the water is great for swimming at anchor.  In the Northumberland Strait
water is 20+ deg C by 2nd week of July and all summer.  Typically 24 in our
Bay.

 

Downside of sailing in Halifax and on that coast is fog.  With a SW wind it
is often just off the coast and some days you will find yourself sailing
thru very thick fog.  This is not so nice when you consider that Halifax is
a major commercial port.  Mahone Bay stretches inland and is mostly fog
free.  Bras d'Ors Lakes and Northumberland Strait are spoiled but never see
fog (almost never).

 

If you like racing you can go just about anywhere in Halifax, St Margaret's
Bay, Chester, Lunenburg, etc on that coast or Charlottetown, Shediac and
other p[laces on the Northern shore of Nova Scotia.  Also Beddeck in Bras
D'Ors Lakes and Sydney in Cape Breton.

 

So basically if you love sailing there is a lifetime's worth of it in
Halifax if you like to venture out of port once in a while and fun sailing
in Halifax if you don't.  I sail in the Northumberland Strait in Amet Sound
June, July and August while it is warm, unpolluted and great summer weather
(light winds mostly) and then in Halifax in the Fall for a bit of fun on
windier brisk days - 250 NM by water or a quick two hour drive with boat on
a trailer.

 

Hope this helps

 

Mike

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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
city .. what's the s

Stus-List C&C heaven

2013-05-22 Thread Andrew Burton

Just pulled in to Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club's marina. Man, this place is 
like C&C heaven. Every other boat here is a C&C! It's cool wandering around and 
seeing all the boats.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List Halifax Sailing

C&C types are always welcome here!  

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-05-22, at 11:50, Robert Abbott  wrote:

Steve:

The length of the sailing season depends on the sailor.the racers at our 
club (Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron) have been doing the Wednesday nights 
since early May.  The club's opening regatta is this weekend.   The last open 
regatta at the club is always on the Thanksgiving weekend in October.  Our club 
has a 'cruising' schedule every summer.a few short trips (over nighters) 
and usually one long cruisethis summer they are going to Maine.

Most boats are hauled in the winter although there are some that stay in the 
water.  

Mike Hoyt provided a good overview of the sailing around here.  There is quite 
a variety of sailing options from simple day sailing to exceptional places to 
cruise, e.g. St. Margret's Bay, Mahone Bay.  

Every August, there is a major regatta at the Chester Yacht Club in Mahone 
Bay.there is a large contingent of yachts that make there way there, some 
to race and some just to be a part of the ambiance. There are usually over 100 
boats signed up for the racing.  Islands, beaches and clean water 
abound.hard to find nicer places to sail.  

Halifax harbor is where I spend most of my time.you can stay in the North 
West Arm, or go 'up' the harbor to Bedford Basin, or stay in the inner harbor, 
or head for the outer harbor approaches.  One of my favorite afternoon sails is 
when we have a nice, warm SW windclose reach out the outer harbor until it 
is time to turn around and broad reach back in.

Hope I didn't give too much away Rich and we end up with all the C&C list 
moving here and crowding us.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/05/22 10:55 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
> Wow guys, great feedback! Thank you very much for taking the time to write... 
> and so quickly!
> Do the boats go on the hard for the winter and how long is the sailing 
> season?!?
> I have yet to visit but the next trip I take will be to see the east coast 
> with my girlfriend. Neither of us have ever been though I've been out west 
> several times. It's cloudy out there and there are a lot of hippies.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jeffrey Nelson  
> wrote:
>> Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome.  You can have the world as  your 
>> destination if you have time.
>> There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there are 5 clubs 
>> in Halifax to choose your racing
>> from.  There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most 
>> weekends.  Cruising down to Chester is about a 
>> day's sail.  Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet.  Lots to do 
>> and see.  There is a cruising 
>> guide available at "the Binnacle" ca.binnacle.com to get an idea of cruising 
>> around here.
>> 
>> I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the "Right" coast and am 
>> really enjoying the sailing
>> here in Halifax area.  Of course, I've always been used to tides as I grew 
>> up here and have a cottage on
>> the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or so...
>> 
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>Jeff Nelson
>>Muir Caileag
>>C&C 30
>>Armdale Yacht Club
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/22/13, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this 
>>> city ..   what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm 
>>> sure   it's a lot more interesting than Lake Ontario 
>>> but   coming from a lake I've never dealt with tides 
>>> and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul your 
>>> boat over winter?
>>> 
>>> I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty 
>>> often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art & 
>>> design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is 
>>> very appealing!
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>> Toronto
>>> 

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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

2013-05-22 Thread Paul Baker

If you really want to get it reliable, dump Windows and put a Linux OS 
on there.

Cheers,
Paul.

On 13-05-22 05:58 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:


I almost got a T-42 Thinkpad. They are very nice, but from the specs I 
read they don't have a serial port. I use my serial port for AIS and 
connecting to the SSB for PSK-31 and use the USB input with a serial 
converter for the GPS input. When I saw the 600X come up for a good 
price I decided to take the easy way out. My hard drive from the 600E 
slid right in and everything worked JI might grab a T-42 for a web 
surfing computer onboard. I am very strict with the nav computer -- it 
never goes online and never does ANYTHING but navigate. Much more 
reliable that way. Does the T-42 run on 12 volts? The 600 series needs 
16-18 volts to charge the battery, but it will run directly on 12 
volts if you need it to. I found a 12 volts DC > 16 volt DC power 
supply for the 600s on Fleabay years ago for about $10 J


Too bad about the world chart thing LFor a USAian it is not a big deal 
though. It isn't that hard to grab all the free charts you want from 
NOAA. I can see why NOAA would not want an automated screen grabber 
running against their server. Copyright aside, those things can take 
down a website if you allow too many to run against your servers.


*/Joe Della Barba/*

*/Coquina/*

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*Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:24 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

Hi Jim,

The CPN community was gathering 2700 world charts posted on the 
Internet into a single source file when a US govment agency trashed 
the effort... or something like that. You need to read a few pages at 
the beginning and near the end of the thread to get the jist.


http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f134/charts-ii-nga-2700-charts-63396.html 



great guys and a valiant effort... for naught perhaps.

Cheers, Russ


At 09:59 PM 21/05/2013, you wrote:

What world chart issue is/was this?


On 21 May 2013 21:51, Russ & Melody > wrote:


Hey Joe,

I've used the old CPN on a Panasonic CF-48 (race boat) and Thinkpad 42 
(my boat), XP SP2 or 3, with okay results for the geek oriented. 
Sometimes it would need some coaching on the comm ports for GPS & AIS 
data. So it wasn't good for the skipper who has the CF-48 onboard. He 
also has a plotter so it was a minor irritation.


I am looking forward to getting both machines loaded with the current 
OpenCPN, with AIS. I also have the CM-93 to install (for evaluation 
purposes). Hopefully all this is done before the VanIsle360 starts.


Too bad their world chart effort hit the ditch last year.

Cheers, Russ


At 12:02 PM 21/05/2013, you wrote:

I just upgraded the boat computer from a ThinkPad 600E to 600X*. Now I 
am cruising with Pentium III power instead of Pentium II I can get 
OpenCPN working quite well. Anyone else using it? I really like the 
tides, currents, and AIS functions. I still don't like ENC charts 
much, but the raster charts work great.


* for $45 shipped. Thanks FleaBay!

Joe Della Barba

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

That's very generous and also awesome .. and another reason to visit!
I may take you up on it one day, just so long as there's room for my
girlfriend :)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM, dwight veinot <
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Yea Steve, pay attention to what Mike says, it’s too foggy and cold down
> here to make a move for better sailing worth it to you, and the water is
> not fit to drink.
>
> ** **
>
> Launch date for me is early this year 11 June, because of cold, fog, high
> winds and lines that stream from lobster pots until the end of May.  
> Halifax harbour is plugged with cargo ships and cruise liners that
> refuse to get out of your way and often cause a lot of trouble for smaller
> boats in just passing by.  There is a beach just at the entrance to the
> inner harbour called Hangman’s beach for a reason and that is pretty creepy
> too.  
>
> ** **
>
> On the other hand the university arts program has just received a nice
> boost from a good sized private donation so that may be good for you from
> an employment perspective.
>
> ** **
>
> Why not make a visit first and get out for a sail.  Any numbers of us down
> here would be happy to oblige.  I sail mostly in St. Margaret’s Bay if that
> interests you so there is one offer already.
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
> Mike
> *Sent:* May 22, 2013 10:42 AM
>
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby Stay
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> Steve
>
>  
>
> The water tastes different when it splashes all over your face
>
>  
>
> Sailing is good in Halifax.  Generally consistent breezes, tides
> are an issue a bit due to currents but more so in that where you had plenty
> of water 6 hours ago you will have less now.  All obstacles in Halifax
>  area are well marked and the water is very deep - you can sail
> within feet of the shore in most areas before tacking.
>
>  
>
> In **Halifax** you have a number of clubs situated in Northwest Arm,
> Shearwater (near Eastern Passage), **Dartmouth** and Bedford.
> You can pick flatter water in the Basin area of more open water near the
> Harbour approaches.  In **Halifax** there are a number of public docks
> downtown as well as some in Dartmouth.  You can tie up for the
> afternoon or evening and go to a restaurant or to Buskers etc ... 
>
>  
>
> Leaving Halifax harbour and approaches you turn right and sail to
> destinations such as St Margaret's Bay where there is typically more and
> steady breezes.  While there be on the lookout for Dwight in his 35.  I
> believe that is about a 30 mile trek from Halifax by water.  In
> between there is a popular overnight anchorage "Rogues Roost" and a few
> other small inlets.  Past St Margaret's Bay and Peggy's Cove you come to *
> ***Mahone** **Bay, then Lunenburg and that whole area.  Excellent
> destination and sailing.  Keep on going and you can pass **Yarmouth** and
> sail across the **Gulf** of **Maine** destinations in **New England** and
> beyond.
>
>  
>
> leave Halifax and turn left and there are less sailing areas but
> there are some interesting harbours.  120+ NM and you are nearing Canso,
> Chedabucto Bay and the choice to go to the Bras d'Ors Lakes in Cape Breton
> (world renowned) or thru the causeway to Georges Bay and then left to
> Northumberland Strait (where I sail) which is bordered by Nova Scotia,
> Prince **Ed**ward Island and New Brunswick.  Rather than turning left
> into Northumberland Strait you can continue on around **PEI** to the 
> Magdalene** **Islands.
>
>  
>
> In **Halifax**, Mahone** **Bay, Lunenenburg/South Shore areas the
> waters are very cold.  Hearty people love to go for a swim but it had
> better be warm weather and later in the summer.  In the Bras d'Ors lakes it
> warms up in August and the water is great for swimming at anchor.  In the
> **Northumberland Strait** water is 20+ deg C by 2nd week of July and all
> summer.  Typically 24 in our Bay.
>
>  
>
> Downside of sailing in Halifax and on that coast is fog.  With a
> SW wind it is often just off the coast and some days you will find yourself
> sailing thru very thick fog.  This is not so nice when you consider that *
> ***Halifax is a major commercial port.  Mahone** **Baystretches 
> inland and is mostly fog free.
> **Bras** **d'Ors** **Lakes** and **Northumberland Strait** are spoiled
> but never see fog (almost never).
>
>  
>
> If you like racing you can go just about anywhere in Halifax, St
> Margaret's Bay, **Chester**, Lunenburg, etc on that coast or **
> Charlottetown**, Shediac and other p[laces on the Northern

Re: Stus-List C&C heaven

And Niagara on the Lake is a beautiful quaint little town in summer...

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
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Sent: May 22, 2013 12:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C heaven

Just pulled in to Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club's marina. Man, this place
is like C&C heaven. Every other boat here is a C&C! It's cool wandering
around and seeing all the boats.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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Re: Stus-List C&C heaven

Just passed through there this weekend .. yeah, the whole region is
littered with C&Cs :)
When I was shopping for my boat I ventured into a few clubs around the
golden horseshoe (what we call the heavily populated western end of lake
ontario). Lots of C&Cs.
A nice town to visit is Youngstown. Unfortunately, they no longer do the
Youngstown Regatta. Was there this weekend and noted that they've got lots
of C&Cs as well. I think that's pretty much the norm on Lake Ontario.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto




On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:09 AM, dwight veinot <
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> And Niagara on the Lake is a beautiful quaint little town in summer...
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Burton
> Sent: May 22, 2013 12:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List C&C heaven
>
> Just pulled in to Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club's marina. Man, this
> place
> is like C&C heaven. Every other boat here is a C&C! It's cool wandering
> around and seeing all the boats.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

She can't be that big; the more the merrier

 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: May 22, 2013 12:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

 

That's very generous and also awesome .. and another reason to visit!

I may take you up on it one day, just so long as there's room for my
girlfriend :)

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM, dwight veinot
 wrote:

Yea Steve, pay attention to what Mike says, it's too foggy and cold down
here to make a move for better sailing worth it to you, and the water is not
fit to drink.

 

Launch date for me is early this year 11 June, because of cold, fog, high
winds and lines that stream from lobster pots until the end of May.  Halifax
harbour is plugged with cargo ships and cruise liners that refuse to get out
of your way and often cause a lot of trouble for smaller boats in just
passing by.  There is a beach just at the entrance to the inner harbour
called Hangman's beach for a reason and that is pretty creepy too.  

 

On the other hand the university arts program has just received a nice boost
from a good sized private donation so that may be good for you from an
employment perspective.

 

Why not make a visit first and get out for a sail.  Any numbers of us down
here would be happy to oblige.  I sail mostly in St. Margaret's Bay if that
interests you so there is one offer already.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Re: Stus-List Theoretical Hull Speed

Not to mention that it is really difficult to steer a perfectly straight and
true course

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Dziedzic
Sent: May 22, 2013 11:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Theoretical Hull Speed

 

I would like to make two points:

 

 - This is "theoretical max speed" (with the emphasis on the _theoretical_);
this means (among others) that in practice, it can be different. The other
thing is that it only means that if you want to go faster, substantially
higher force (pushing you forward) is required or that the drag grows
substantially above that speed (in short, this is the point where the
function goes non-linear). In practice this means that quite often you can
beat your hull speed by a small margin.

 

 - the GPS speed is over the bottom; the hull speed is in the water; they
may differ significantly due to drift, current and all other factors that
make your boat move not exactly in the direction you want it.

 

Marek, in Ottawa

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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

I have a spare hard drive for that if I can get the drivers to work. Last time 
I tried to load Ubuntu on a 600 series it did not work at all. For anyone 
wondering about it, OpenCPN is available for Linux and Mac too. So far the only 
issue I have really had was a decade of hot/cold/damp/salt was about as much as 
the old IBM could stand.

Joe Della Barba

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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

If you really want to get it reliable, dump Windows and put a Linux OS on there.
Cheers,
Paul.

On 13-05-22 05:58 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:
I almost got a T-42 Thinkpad. They are very nice, but from the specs I read 
they don't have a serial port. I use my serial port for AIS and connecting to 
the SSB for PSK-31 and use the USB input with a serial converter for the GPS 
input. When I saw the 600X come up for a good price I decided to take the easy 
way out. My hard drive from the 600E slid right in and everything worked :)  I 
might grab a T-42 for a web surfing computer onboard. I am very strict with the 
nav computer - it never goes online and never does ANYTHING but navigate. Much 
more reliable that way. Does the T-42 run on 12 volts? The 600 series needs 
16-18 volts to charge the battery, but it will run directly on 12 volts if you 
need it to. I found a 12 volts DC > 16 volt DC power supply for the 600s on 
Fleabay years ago for about $10 :)

Too bad about the world chart thing :(  For a USAian it is not a big deal 
though. It isn't that hard to grab all the free charts you want from NOAA. I 
can see why NOAA would not want an automated screen grabber running against 
their server. Copyright aside, those things can take down a website if you 
allow too many to run against your servers.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & Melody
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

Hi Jim,

The CPN community was gathering 2700 world charts posted on the Internet into a 
single source file when a US govment agency trashed the effort... or something 
like that. You need to read a few pages at the beginning and near the end of 
the thread to get the jist.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f134/charts-ii-nga-2700-charts-63396.html

great guys and a valiant effort... for naught perhaps.

Cheers, Russ


At 09:59 PM 21/05/2013, you wrote:


What world chart issue is/was this?


On 21 May 2013 21:51, Russ & Melody 
mailto:russ...@telus.net>> wrote:
Hey Joe,
I've used the old CPN on a Panasonic CF-48 (race boat) and Thinkpad 42 (my 
boat), XP SP2 or 3, with okay results for the geek oriented. Sometimes it would 
need some coaching on the comm ports for GPS & AIS data. So it wasn't good for 
the skipper who has the CF-48 onboard. He also has a plotter so it was a minor 
irritation.
I am looking forward to getting both machines loaded with the current OpenCPN, 
with AIS. I also have the CM-93 to install (for evaluation purposes). Hopefully 
all this is done before the VanIsle360 starts.
Too bad their world chart effort hit the ditch last year.
Cheers, Russ



At 12:02 PM 21/05/2013, you wrote:
I just upgraded the boat computer from a ThinkPad 600E to 600X*. Now I am 
cruising with Pentium III power instead of Pentium II I can get OpenCPN working 
quite well. Anyone else using it? I really like the tides, currents, and AIS 
functions. I still don't like ENC charts much, but the raster charts work great.
* for $45 shipped. Thanks FleaBay!
Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List Edson steering issue

Mike,

Could you please explain what "tabbing on their knees" is and what is means
to fail?

Thanks,
Josh Muckley

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On May 20, 2013 7:13 PM, "Mike Brannon"  wrote:

> Bill,  I've got a 78 C&C 36 Center Board version.  I find that the boat is
> very tender and once the wind pipes up I start reducing sail much earlier
> than most of the other boats in the fleet.   Keeping the boat flat < 20 deg
> of heel and I can still keep up with most of them going to wind with
> minimal weather helm.   Also, when I replaced the standing rigging a couple
> of years ago we left the mast where it was.
>
> I'm also aware of several C&C 36s of that vintage which have had the
> tabbing on their knees fail, mine included.   Once I fixed that problem I
> found I could carry much more sail.
>
> As an example on Sat I sailed for most of the day in 20+ wind with a 115
> (blade is being repaired) of unknown age and a single reef in the main and
> made a decent show considering the aged sail.   I had minimal weather helm
> and great boat control.
>
> Mike,
>
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> C&C 36 CB
> VIRGINIA BEACH
>
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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Bina

Many police departments lease the Panasonic toughbook laptops for their 
patrol cars. That means that you can usually find deals on Ebay and 
elsewhere for 3 year old toughbooks that came off of a lease at very 
reasonable prices. They have many advantages over other laptops and 
notebooks. They are water resistant/proof so they can be used on deck, 
even in the rain, and the displays are truly daylight viewable. These 
things are very popular with construction companies and arctic 
expeditions, too. One of the specs is that they can be dropped from 6 
feet onto concrete WHILE RUNNING. If you spill coffee on the keyboard, 
just rinse it off with water! :-)


Bill Bina

On 5/22/2013 11:19 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:


I have a spare hard drive for that if I can get the drivers to work. 
Last time I tried to load Ubuntu on a 600 series it did not work at 
all. For anyone wondering about it, OpenCPN is available for Linux and 
Mac too. So far the only issue I have really had was a decade of 
hot/cold/damp/salt was about as much as the old IBM could stand.


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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

2013-05-22 Thread Joel Aronson

My business partner had a Toughbook.  The hard drive was not so tough -
just a standard drive in a cushion.  I'd recommend upgrading to an SSD
drive for any boat laptop.  After all, who backs up their boat laptop?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:

>  Many police departments lease the Panasonic toughbook laptops for their
> patrol cars. That means that you can usually find deals on Ebay and
> elsewhere for 3 year old toughbooks that came off of a lease at very
> reasonable prices. They have many advantages over other laptops and
> notebooks. They are water resistant/proof so they can be used on deck, even
> in the rain, and the displays are truly daylight viewable. These things are
> very popular with construction companies and arctic expeditions, too. One
> of the specs is that they can be dropped from 6 feet onto concrete WHILE
> RUNNING. If you spill coffee on the keyboard, just rinse it off with water! 
> :-)
>
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 5/22/2013 11:19 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:
>
>  I have a spare hard drive for that if I can get the drivers to work.
> Last time I tried to load Ubuntu on a 600 series it did not work at all.
> For anyone wondering about it, OpenCPN is available for Linux and Mac too.
> So far the only issue I have really had was a decade of hot/cold/damp/salt
> was about as much as the old IBM could stand. 
>
> ** **
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

I agree with both those suggestions, with the reservation that neither one is 
doable for $45 ;)
I also have the Navionics app on my iPhone. I really like that too.

Joe Della Barba

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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:42 AM
To: billb...@sbcglobal.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

My business partner had a Toughbook.  The hard drive was not so tough - just a 
standard drive in a cushion.  I'd recommend upgrading to an SSD drive for any 
boat laptop.  After all, who backs up their boat laptop?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Bill Bina 
mailto:billb...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Many police departments lease the Panasonic toughbook laptops for their patrol 
cars. That means that you can usually find deals on Ebay and elsewhere for 3 
year old toughbooks that came off of a lease at very reasonable prices. They 
have many advantages over other laptops and notebooks. They are water 
resistant/proof so they can be used on deck, even in the rain, and the displays 
are truly daylight viewable. These things are very popular with construction 
companies and arctic expeditions, too. One of the specs is that they can be 
dropped from 6 feet onto concrete WHILE RUNNING. If you spill coffee on the 
keyboard, just rinse it off with water! :-)

Bill Bina

On 5/22/2013 11:19 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:
I have a spare hard drive for that if I can get the drivers to work. Last time 
I tried to load Ubuntu on a 600 series it did not work at all. For anyone 
wondering about it, OpenCPN is available for Linux and Mac too. So far the only 
issue I have really had was a decade of hot/cold/damp/salt was about as much as 
the old IBM could stand.

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Re: Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control

Edd,

My engine stop cable is on the port aft wall of the cockpit.  This results
in the pull being within reach on the helmsman.  However the on/off key is
forward of the wheel on the port wall under the hatch.  Resulting in the
helmsman having to REACH forward through the wheel to stop alarm.

The placement of the pull also results in the cable running through the aft
port lazarette and getting entangled in the contents.  This is particularly
hazardous to the plastic fitting that goes through the wall.  It extends
about 4" into the compartment and could/has been easily broken.

I have seen the pull placed on the aft facing wall (port or starboard)
forward of the wheel.  This makes shutting it off difficult from the helm
but places it closer to the on/off switch and eliminates the cable
interferences I experience.

I considered changing to an electric kill by using a stop solenoid.  Check
out this 
link
. 


http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=160818773540

http://www.ebay.com/itm/replace-Yanmar-Engine-stop-solenoid-Solenoid-129470-67320-1504-12VDC-/160818773540

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On May 21, 2013 10:30 AM, "Rick Brass"  wrote:

> The Universal M35B in Imzadi does not have the original pull cable to stop
> the engine. Instead, there is a solenoid mounted on an L bracket on the aft
> starboard side of the engine block. The coil of the solenoid pulls in a
> “plunger” which pulls a thin metal rod attached to the shutoff lever on the
> injection pump. When the solenoid is deactivated, the rubber boot that
> covers the plunger pulls the plunger forward and releases the stop lever.
> All this is activated by a push button installed in the engine panel and
> powered by the +12v feed to the panel.
>
> ** **
>
> It works well for me, and eliminates one cable run. Westerbeke sells a
> remote start/stop panel, so you could probably identify all the needed
> parts fairly easily (you would only need the remote stop parts for your
> engine. 
>
> ** **
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd
> Schillay
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:45 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control
>
> ** **
>
> Listers,
>
> ** **
>
> I'm looking to move the location of the T pull-stop control
> for my engine on the Enterprise (C&C 37+). 
>
> ** **
>
> Currently, it's mounted horizontally near the control panel
> and very close to the cockpit floor -- which is a difficult angle to pull
> from when you're at the helm. 
>
> ** **
>
> I was curious where other owners have theirs mounted (if you
> have one -- I know some engines just throttle down to off) and what
> hardware you used to put it there.
>
>
>   
>
>   All the best,
>
> ** **
>
>   Edd
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>   Edd M. Schillay
>
>   Starship Enterprise
>
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>
>   City Island, NY 
>
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> Website
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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Bina

There is a whole range of toughbooks from "business level" up to "Fully 
Rugged". That's why I mentioned the ones removed from police vehicles. 
New, these things are incredibly expensive, like $4000-$6000 depending 
on options. You can often find them for 10-20% of that on Ebay.


Bill Bina


On 5/22/2013 11:42 AM, Joel Aronson wrote:
My business partner had a Toughbook.  The hard drive was not so tough 
- just a standard drive in a cushion.  I'd recommend upgrading to an 
SSD drive for any boat laptop.  After all, who backs up their boat 
laptop?


Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Bill Bina > wrote:


Many police departments lease the Panasonic toughbook laptops for
their patrol cars. That means that you can usually find deals on
Ebay and elsewhere for 3 year old toughbooks that came off of a
lease at very reasonable prices. They have many advantages over
other laptops and notebooks. They are water resistant/proof so
they can be used on deck, even in the rain, and the displays are
truly daylight viewable. These things are very popular with
construction companies and arctic expeditions, too. One of the
specs is that they can be dropped from 6 feet onto concrete WHILE
RUNNING. If you spill coffee on the keyboard, just rinse it off
with water! :-)

Bill Bina



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Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-Toughbook-CF-29-1-3GHz-Touchscreen-LCD-Windows-Laptop-40GB-XP-Pro-/370818932048?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item565687dd50#ht_2422wt_1164

Looks good for boat use. I may have to check these out.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:07 PM
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

There is a whole range of toughbooks from "business level" up to "Fully 
Rugged". That's why I mentioned the ones removed from police vehicles. New, 
these things are incredibly expensive, like $4000-$6000 depending on options. 
You can often find them for 10-20% of that on Ebay.

Bill Bina

On 5/22/2013 11:42 AM, Joel Aronson wrote:
My business partner had a Toughbook.  The hard drive was not so tough - just a 
standard drive in a cushion.  I'd recommend upgrading to an SSD drive for any 
boat laptop.  After all, who backs up their boat laptop?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Bill Bina 
mailto:billb...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Many police departments lease the Panasonic toughbook laptops for their patrol 
cars. That means that you can usually find deals on Ebay and elsewhere for 3 
year old toughbooks that came off of a lease at very reasonable prices. They 
have many advantages over other laptops and notebooks. They are water 
resistant/proof so they can be used on deck, even in the rain, and the displays 
are truly daylight viewable. These things are very popular with construction 
companies and arctic expeditions, too. One of the specs is that they can be 
dropped from 6 feet onto concrete WHILE RUNNING. If you spill coffee on the 
keyboard, just rinse it off with water! :-)

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Stus-List Yanmar Engine Mounts - aftermarket replacements?

2013-05-22 Thread Nate Flesness

The front two engine mounts on my 2QM15 Yanmar are, to my surprise, broken
(bolts fractured...discovered when.r&r transmission to redo seals).
The Yanmar manual says to replace the mounts every couple of years, and
there are some great websites explaining how critical all the
anti-vibration specs are.
On the other hand, though mine are certainly 33 years old, with the rubber
long ago hardened, I had no apparent related issues
(even though they were broken - and the transmission seal issue was caused
by wire wrapping itself into the aft seal).
Yanmar dealers sell the engine mounts for $130 each which seems
completely unreasonable.

So I'm looking at Joe DeMers MarineDiesel Direct who sells generic
replacements for $39 each
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENGINE-MOUNTS-flexible-rubber-type-motor-mounts-new-/350143804850?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item51863275b2&vxp=mtr

Anybody tried them?

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior
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If you can afford a CF30, many of them even have GPS built in. I own a
CF-29 similar to what you are looking at. Mine had a failed battery when
I bought it, but I found that if you removed the battery, it would run
just fine on house 12v with a lighter plug. It wouldn't do that with the
battery installed. It is slow as molasses to boot and open programs,
mostly due to lack of adequate RAM, but once you get stuff opened and
running, it is fine for nav, etc.

Bill Bina

On 5/22/2013 12:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-Toughbook-CF-29-1-3GHz-Touchscreen-LCD-Windows-Laptop-40GB-XP-Pro-/370818932048?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item565687dd50#ht_2422wt_1164

Looks good for boat use. I may have to check these out.

*/Joe Della Barba/*

*/Coquina/*

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
*Bill Bina

*Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:07 PM
*Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List OpenCPN fans?

There is a whole range of toughbooks from "business level" up to
"Fully Rugged". That's why I mentioned the ones removed from police
vehicles. New, these things are incredibly expensive, like $4000-$6000
depending on options. You can often find them for 10-20% of that on Ebay.

Bill Bina

On 5/22/2013 11:42 AM, Joel Aronson wrote:

My business partner had a Toughbook. The hard drive was not so
tough - just a standard drive in a cushion. I'd recommend
upgrading to an SSD drive for any boat laptop. After all, who
backs up their boat laptop?

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Bill Bina
mailto:billb...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Many police departments lease the Panasonic toughbook laptops for
their patrol cars. That means that you can usually find deals on
Ebay and elsewhere for 3 year old toughbooks that came off of a
lease at very reasonable prices. They have many advantages over
other laptops and notebooks. They are water resistant/proof so
they can be used on deck, even in the rain, and the displays are
truly daylight viewable. These things are very popular with
construction companies and arctic expeditions, too. One of the
specs is that they can be dropped from 6 feet onto concrete WHILE
RUNNING. If you spill coffee on the keyboard, just rinse it off
with water! :-)

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Engine Mounts - aftermarket replacements?

2013-05-22 Thread Fair, Mike

Save yourself some major hassle by ensuing the new ones you buy have the same 
footprint.


Mike
Cio Cio San
Padanaram  Harbor

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar Engine Mounts - aftermarket replacements?

The front two engine mounts on my 2QM15 Yanmar are, to my surprise, broken 
(bolts fractured...discovered when.r&r transmission to redo seals).
The Yanmar manual says to replace the mounts every couple of years, and there 
are some great websites explaining how critical all the anti-vibration specs 
are.
On the other hand, though mine are certainly 33 years old, with the rubber long 
ago hardened, I had no apparent related issues
(even though they were broken - and the transmission seal issue was caused by 
wire wrapping itself into the aft seal).
Yanmar dealers sell the engine mounts for $130 each which seems completely 
unreasonable.

So I'm looking at Joe DeMers MarineDiesel Direct who sells generic replacements 
for $39 each
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENGINE-MOUNTS-flexible-rubber-type-motor-mounts-new-/350143804850?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item51863275b2&vxp=mtr

Anybody tried them?

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior

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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

2013-05-22 Thread Rick Taillieu

Erik,

 

I don’t know what the 35 Mk3 bilge looks like or how deep it is, but is it 
possible that there was a “Garboard Plug” put in to drain water from the bilge 
when the boat is out of the water?

If there is, and the plug wasn’t tightened it could leak enough to cause the 
amount of water you see, if there was no plug you would definitely see the leak.

Another possible answer is that the previous owner really PO’d someone and they 
drilled a small hole into the bilge. J

 

Good Luck

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 C&C 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Erik 
Hillenmeyer
Sent: May-21-13 4:25 PM
To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

 

The leaks appears to be directly underneath the stringer.  in fact, if you 
stick your finger down in the limber hole you can feel the squishiness of the 
stringer core that is being washed away (i've pulled out little pieces of it).  
I'm assuming this foam material indicates the core is inactive.  I've tried 
several times to completely dry this out by sponging out that void with paper 
towels or a sponge and then try and feel the trickle, but this hasn't proved 
very effective.

 

I spent the winter rebedding portlights, grab rails, etc that were all leaking 
and had rain water intrusion pretty much licked by launch time.  I am 
definitely seeing this without rain.  I manually pumped it out, left the boat 
and came back 24 hours later (no rain, no running the engine) and took a 
measurment of the water level.  I then pumped it out again and took a bucket 
and refilled it to where it was when I pumped out - 2.5 gallons.  

 

Unfortunately, I can't see inside the stringer beyond what I can see looking 
into the limber hole.  Without cutting into the stringer and removing that foam 
I don't think I'm going to see the actual leak - unless anyone has some 
suggestions.

 

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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

2013-05-22 Thread Erik Hillenmeyer

Rick,
 
the 35-3 bilge (on the keel model at least) has a very deep sump, almost 2 feet 
at the deepest.  No plug on the boat.
 
I'll ask the PO if he made any enemies at the yard, haha.  Or maybe the broker 
was made he dropped his selling price so much for me :-)
 
 
 


 From: Rick Taillieu 
To: 'Erik Hillenmeyer' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Stus-List 35-3 Leak
  


Erik,
 
I don’t know what the 35 Mk3 bilge looks like or how deep it is, but is it 
possible that there was a “Garboard Plug” put in to drain water from the bilge 
when the boat is out of the water?
If there is, and the plug wasn’t tightened it could leak enough to cause the 
amount of water you see, if there was no plug you would definitely see the leak.
Another possible answer is that the previous owner really PO’d someone and they 
drilled a small hole into the bilge. J
 
Good Luck
 
Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 C&C 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.
 
 
 
From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Erik 
Hillenmeyer
Sent: May-21-13 4:25 PM
To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak
 
The leaks appears to be directly underneath the stringer.  in fact, if you 
stick your finger down in the limber hole you can feel the squishiness of the 
stringer core that is being washed away (i've pulled out little pieces of it).  
I'm assuming this foam material indicates the core is inactive.  I've tried 
several times to completely dry this out by sponging out that void with paper 
towels or a sponge and then try and feel the trickle, but this hasn't proved 
very effective.
 
I spent the winter rebedding portlights, grab rails, etc that were all leaking 
and had rain water intrusion pretty much licked by launch time.  I am 
definitely seeing this without rain.  I manually pumped it out, left the boat 
and came back 24 hours later (no rain, no running the engine) and took a 
measurment of the water level.  I then pumped it out again and took a bucket 
and refilled it to where it was when I pumped out - 2.5 gallons.  
 
Unfortunately, I can't see inside the stringer beyond what I can see looking 
into the limber hole.  Without cutting into the stringer and removing that foam 
I don't think I'm going to see the actual leak - unless anyone has some 
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Engine Mounts - aftermarket replacements?

2013-05-22 Thread Martin DeYoung

I replaced all 4 of Calypso's engine mounts (Perkins 4-108) a while back.  I 
used the R&D Engine Mounts offered by PYI, Inc.  As none of the existing engine 
mount bolts met my standards ( a combo of lag and stripped threaded bolts) the 
job became slightly more complex than imagined at the start.

In 1970 Bruckmann's was laminating a steel plate on top of a wood base to build 
up the engine support frames.  Once I understood what was under all the 
fiberglass and paint I decided to drill and tap new bolt holes, using the older 
ones if possible.

The results when finished were worth the effort.  I did re-align the 
engine/reduction gear to the prop shaft.  The engine vibration transmitted 
through the hull was significantly reduced with the added benefit of being 
confident that the engine would stay put if the boat broached or was knocked 
down in a heavy sea.

One of the least expensive tools to purchase that may help is a small scissor 
jack to be used in holding the engine in place while changing the mounts. Let 
me know if you want more info on how I approached the process, but there is 
much already written about the topic available.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar Engine Mounts - aftermarket replacements?

The front two engine mounts on my 2QM15 Yanmar are, to my surprise, broken 
(bolts fractured...discovered when.r&r transmission to redo seals).
The Yanmar manual says to replace the mounts every couple of years, and there 
are some great websites explaining how critical all the anti-vibration specs 
are.
On the other hand, though mine are certainly 33 years old, with the rubber long 
ago hardened, I had no apparent related issues
(even though they were broken - and the transmission seal issue was caused by 
wire wrapping itself into the aft seal).
Yanmar dealers sell the engine mounts for $130 each which seems completely 
unreasonable.

So I'm looking at Joe DeMers MarineDiesel Direct who sells generic replacements 
for $39 each
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENGINE-MOUNTS-flexible-rubber-type-motor-mounts-new-/350143804850?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item51863275b2&vxp=mtr

Anybody tried them?

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior

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Re: Stus-List C&c 30 Mk I for sale

2013-05-22 Thread Dr. Mark Bodnar


  
  

  I'm still interested in a C&C 30.
  
  I did look at Jete a few months back at Armdale Yacht Club, can't
  remember owners name right off.  I'd rather stay away from the
  Atomic 4, and that boat didn't look to be in good condition (deck
  looked rough, sketchy wiring hanging out loose in cabin).  I guess
  beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
  
  I'll take the info, see what is there.
  
  Thx,
  Mark
  -
  Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
-

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana
  On 21/05/2013 2:43 PM, Knowles Rich wrote:


  
  Don't know the name, sorry. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
  
  
On 2013-05-21, at 14:27, Jeffrey Nelson 
wrote:

  
  Is that Jette?

On 05/21/13, Knowles Rich  
  wrote:

  A friend of mine has a CC 30
Mk I for sale here in Halifax. I know little about it other
than I am told its in good shape. If anyone is interested,
please email me off list and i'll pass on his info to you. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax


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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Engine Mounts - aftermarket replacements?

Hutch at PYI has some compelling reasons to use their drop in
replacements. One of then being that the mounts are captive. The top and
bottom are still captured together even when the rubber breaks down. I'll
be trying them when the time comes. Check out the whole website for some
other innovative solutions for your yanmar.

PYI Inc.
Fred Hutchison
12532 Beverly Park Rd.
Lynnwood, WA 98087-1524 USA
e-mail: hu...@pyiinc.com
web site: http://www.pyiinc.com
Office Tel: 425-355-3669
800-523-7558

Good luck,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Yanmar 3HM35F

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Save yourself some major hassle by ensuing the new ones you buy have the
same footprint.

** **

Mike

Cio Cio San

Padanaram Harbor

** **

*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate
Flesness
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:32 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Yanmar Engine Mounts - aftermarket replacements?

** **

The front two engine mounts on my 2QM15 Yanmar are, to my surprise, broken
(bolts fractured...discovered when.r&r transmission to redo seals).

The Yanmar manual says to replace the mounts every couple of years, and
there are some great websites explaining how critical all the
anti-vibration specs are.

On the other hand, though mine are certainly 33 years old, with the rubber
long ago hardened, I had no apparent related issues

(even though they were broken - and the transmission seal issue was caused
by wire wrapping itself into the aft seal).

Yanmar dealers sell the engine mounts for $130 each which seems
completely unreasonable.

** **

So I'm looking at Joe DeMers MarineDiesel Direct who sells generic
replacements for $39 each

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENGINE-MOUNTS-flexible-rubber-type-motor-mounts-new-/350143804850?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item51863275b2&vxp=mtr

** **

Anybody tried them?

** **

Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1

Siskiwit Bay Marina

Lake Superior

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Re: Stus-List C&C heaven

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Coleman

Which direction are you headed?

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C heaven

Just pulled in to Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club's marina. Man, this place
is like C&C heaven. Every other boat here is a C&C! It's cool wandering
around and seeing all the boats.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List C&C heaven

2013-05-22 Thread Andrew Burton

We're headed to Detroit - GPYC - from Newport with a Hylas 54...up the Welland 
Canal tomorrow. 

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On May 22, 2013, at 14:53, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:

> Which direction are you headed?
> 
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Burton
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:02 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List C&C heaven
> 
> Just pulled in to Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club's marina. Man, this place
> is like C&C heaven. Every other boat here is a C&C! It's cool wandering
> around and seeing all the boats.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List C&C heaven

2013-05-22 Thread Joel Aronson

nice ride!


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:

> We're headed to Detroit - GPYC - from Newport with a Hylas 54...up the
> Welland Canal tomorrow.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On May 22, 2013, at 14:53, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:
>
> > Which direction are you headed?
> >
> > Bill Coleman
> > C&C 39
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

2013-05-22 Thread Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR

Erik,

I've been mulling over your situation.

Here's my thoughts:

You indicate that it seems like the water is originating from somewhere
*inside* the stringer. We know that there are no keel bolts in there,
nor are there any openings to the ocean there...and it's in front of the
last keel bolt, so it seems unlikely (to me) that it's a grounding
problem.
So...where would water come from *inside* the stringer?

On my 35-3, they've run all the water hoses/pipes thru large holes in
the stringers, drilled maybe 1" or so down from the top.
If one of those pipes has a weeping leak where it passes over the
perhaps sharp edge of the hole drilled, it could seem like the water is
originating in there.  Then gravity just makes the water tanks drip into
the bilge.
It's been a few days...at 2.5 gallons a day, your water tanks should be
noticeably low if this was the source. To test, put two different food
colors (or two different liquors) in the tanks, and close the valves at
the water pump so they aren't cross-connected, then wait it out. What
color/taste is the bilge?

Another possibility along these lines is an extra bilge pump pickup...on
my 35-3 there is a shower sump pump for the shower in the head. But
somewhere along the line (maybe at the factory) they put a 3-way valve
in, then ran a hose thru the bilge to a point between the mast and
engine, and there is a pickup there too. (it's my "aft" bilge pump
pickup)
If this was deranged like above (leaky hose/fitting), or if there was
some sort of siphon being set up from the shower to the bilge via the
overboard lines? It's a stretch...but maybe. 

-Keith Morgenstern
C&C 35-3 cb


-Original Message-
From: Erik Hillenmeyer [mailto:erik_hawk...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 17:03
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

Hello,
 
Been following on here for a while but never posted.
 
I have a new-to-me 1984 C&C 35 MKIII on Lake Michigan.  When we launched
six days ago I noticed a large amount of water in the bilge when I would
go to the boat.  Approximately 2.5 gallons every 24 hours.  I have
narrowed the leak down to what I assume is a hull/keel joint issue.  
 
After checking all the obvious sources for this much water (thru hull,
tanks, etc, etc) I finally noticed that all the water was coming from a
limber hole in the stringer just forward of the aft most keel bolt.  The
water is NOTcoming out this limber hole because it's flowing through
there from a higher point in the bilge - it's flooding up from
underneath the stringer.  The bilge area aft of this stringer is dusty
dry and I've elminated all other sources of water.
 
The first thing I'm in the process of doing is installing an automatic
bilge pump and float switch (PO never had one).  
 
I also plan on tightening the keel bolts as soon as I get access to a
torque wrench and an extension that can reach the 2 feet to the deepest
part of the sump where one of the keel bolts is located.  I'm hoping
this is some help in stopping or reducing the leak.  The sailing season
is very short here and hauling out now would cost us a big chunk of
sailing, so I'm willing to try anything to stay in.
 
I've thrown this out on some other blogs, but wanted to know if other
C&C owners have experienced this issue or have some solutions for
getting her through the season.
 
Thanks,
 
Erik

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Re: Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control

2013-05-22 Thread Gary Nylander

Folks, you have diesels! They don't need a key except to energize the starter 
motor, after that, they keep running My Yanmar has the throttle set so low 
that when you throttle down to nothing, it stops.

One way to not have to reach down - although the water temperature whistle 
comes on pretty quickly, so you have to bend anyway.

Gary
30-1
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Muckley 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:57 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control


  Edd,

  My engine stop cable is on the port aft wall of the cockpit.  This results in 
the pull being within reach on the helmsman.  However the on/off key is forward 
of the wheel on the port wall under the hatch.  Resulting in the helmsman 
having to REACH forward through the wheel to stop alarm.

  The placement of the pull also results in the cable running through the aft 
port lazarette and getting entangled in the contents.  This is particularly 
hazardous to the plastic fitting that goes through the wall.  It extends about 
4" into the compartment and could/has been easily broken.

  I have seen the pull placed on the aft facing wall (port or starboard) 
forward of the wheel.  This makes shutting it off difficult from the helm but 
places it closer to the on/off switch and eliminates the cable interferences I 
experience.

  I considered changing to an electric kill by using a stop solenoid.  Check 
out this link.

  http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=160818773540

  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/replace-Yanmar-Engine-stop-solenoid-Solenoid-129470-67320-1504-12VDC-/160818773540


  Josh Muckley
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  On May 21, 2013 10:30 AM, "Rick Brass"  wrote:

The Universal M35B in Imzadi does not have the original pull cable to stop 
the engine. Instead, there is a solenoid mounted on an L bracket on the aft 
starboard side of the engine block. The coil of the solenoid pulls in a 
“plunger” which pulls a thin metal rod attached to the shutoff lever on the 
injection pump. When the solenoid is deactivated, the rubber boot that covers 
the plunger pulls the plunger forward and releases the stop lever. All this is 
activated by a push button installed in the engine panel and powered by the 
+12v feed to the panel.



It works well for me, and eliminates one cable run. Westerbeke sells a 
remote start/stop panel, so you could probably identify all the needed parts 
fairly easily (you would only need the remote stop parts for your engine. 



Rick Brass

Washington, NC







From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd 
Schillay
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:45 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control



Listers,



I'm looking to move the location of the T pull-stop control for 
my engine on the Enterprise (C&C 37+). 



Currently, it's mounted horizontally near the control panel and 
very close to the cockpit floor -- which is a difficult angle to pull from when 
you're at the helm. 



I was curious where other owners have theirs mounted (if you 
have one -- I know some engines just throttle down to off) and what hardware 
you used to put it there.


  

  All the best,



  Edd





  Edd M. Schillay

  Starship Enterprise

  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

  City Island, NY 

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Re: Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control

Don't you find that annoying when docking and changing direction?  

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-05-22, at 17:05, "Gary Nylander"  wrote:

> My Yanmar has the throttle set so low that when you throttle down to nothing, 
> it stops.

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Re: Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control

I was told the switch did something for the alternator and that turning it
off while the engine was running was bad.  Besides, the switch does power
the gages and alarms.

Josh

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On May 22, 2013 4:06 PM, "Gary Nylander"  wrote:

> **
> Folks, you have diesels! They don't need a key except to energize the
> starter motor, after that, they keep running My Yanmar has the throttle
> set so low that when you throttle down to nothing, it stops.
>
> One way to not have to reach down - although the water temperature whistle
> comes on pretty quickly, so you have to bend anyway.
>
> Gary
> 30-1
> 2QM15
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Muckley 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:57 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control
>
> Edd,
>
> My engine stop cable is on the port aft wall of the cockpit.  This results
> in the pull being within reach on the helmsman.  However the on/off key is
> forward of the wheel on the port wall under the hatch.  Resulting in the
> helmsman having to REACH forward through the wheel to stop alarm.
>
> The placement of the pull also results in the cable running through the
> aft port lazarette and getting entangled in the contents.  This is
> particularly hazardous to the plastic fitting that goes through the wall.
> It extends about 4" into the compartment and could/has been easily broken.
>
> I have seen the pull placed on the aft facing wall (port or starboard)
> forward of the wheel.  This makes shutting it off difficult from the helm
> but places it closer to the on/off switch and eliminates the cable
> interferences I experience.
>
> I considered changing to an electric kill by using a stop solenoid.  Check
> out this 
> link
> . 
> 
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=160818773540
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/replace-Yanmar-Engine-stop-solenoid-Solenoid-129470-67320-1504-12VDC-/160818773540
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> --
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> http://www.secure-my-email.com
> On May 21, 2013 10:30 AM, "Rick Brass"  wrote:
>
>>  The Universal M35B in Imzadi does not have the original pull cable to
>> stop the engine. Instead, there is a solenoid mounted on an L bracket on
>> the aft starboard side of the engine block. The coil of the solenoid pulls
>> in a “plunger” which pulls a thin metal rod attached to the shutoff lever
>> on the injection pump. When the solenoid is deactivated, the rubber boot
>> that covers the plunger pulls the plunger forward and releases the stop
>> lever. All this is activated by a push button installed in the engine panel
>> and powered by the +12v feed to the panel.
>>
>> 
>>
>> It works well for me, and eliminates one cable run. Westerbeke sells a
>> remote start/stop panel, so you could probably identify all the needed
>> parts fairly easily (you would only need the remote stop parts for your
>> engine. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd
>> Schillay
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:45 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Location of the Pull-Stop Engine Control
>>
>> 
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> 
>>
>> I'm looking to move the location of the T pull-stop control
>> for my engine on the Enterprise (C&C 37+). 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Currently, it's mounted horizontally near the control panel
>> and very close to the cockpit floor -- which is a difficult angle to pull
>> from when you're at the helm. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> I was curious where other owners have theirs mounted (if you
>> have one -- I know some engines just throttle down to off) and what
>> hardware you used to put it there.
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>   All the best,
>>
>> 
>>
>>   Edd
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>   Edd M. Schillay
>>
>>   Starship Enterprise
>>
>>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>
>>   City Island, NY 
>>
>>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>> Website
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

2013-05-22 Thread Erik Hillenmeyer

Keith,
 
The tanks are empty, I never filled them.  The water is crystal clear (thanks 
to Zebra mussels) Lake Michigan water - no fuel, oil, etc.
 
I am not completely convinced it isn't finding it's way to the stringer from 
elsewhere, but I just can't prove it.  I've removed all the floor boards and 
the the thing is just bone dry everywhere except inside that limber hole.  in 
fact, if i stick my finger in the cutout in the stringer for the bilge hose, 
which is several inches to port of the limber hole it is dry, so it almost has 
to be coming from below.
 
My shower pump was straight forward, hose from the shower sump to a pump under 
the sink and up to a thru hull at the toe rail.  I disabled this yesterday 
because i installed an automatic bilge pump and float switch to keep up with 
the water and the only above the water line thru hull available was the shower 
drain pump - i don't use it anyway.  In off season I'll maybe add a thru hull 
and reattach it.
 
Thanks for the input!  Any opinion on tightening keel bolts in the water - I 
cannot get a conclusive answer on this.  Some sources say do it and some say 
never.  I've seen it argued on several forums, but haven't formed my own 
opinion yet...
 
Thanks,
 
Erik
 


 From: "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" 
To: Erik Hillenmeyer ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Stus-List 35-3 Leak
  

Erik,

I've been mulling over your situation.

Here's my thoughts:

You indicate that it seems like the water is originating from somewhere
*inside* the stringer. We know that there are no keel bolts in there,
nor are there any openings to the ocean there...and it's in front of the
last keel bolt, so it seems unlikely (to me) that it's a grounding
problem.
So...where would water come from *inside* the stringer?

On my 35-3, they've run all the water hoses/pipes thru large holes in
the stringers, drilled maybe 1" or so down from the top.
If one of those pipes has a weeping leak where it passes over the
perhaps sharp edge of the hole drilled, it could seem like the water is
originating in there.  Then gravity just makes the water tanks drip into
the bilge.
It's been a few days...at 2.5 gallons a day, your water tanks should be
noticeably low if this was the source. To test, put two different food
colors (or two different liquors) in the tanks, and close the valves at
the water pump so they aren't cross-connected, then wait it out. What
color/taste is the bilge?

Another possibility along these lines is an extra bilge pump pickup...on
my 35-3 there is a shower sump pump for the shower in the head. But
somewhere along the line (maybe at the factory) they put a 3-way valve
in, then ran a hose thru the bilge to a point between the mast and
engine, and there is a pickup there too. (it's my "aft" bilge pump
pickup)
If this was deranged like above (leaky hose/fitting), or if there was
some sort of siphon being set up from the shower to the bilge via the
overboard lines? It's a stretch...but maybe. 

-Keith Morgenstern
C&C 35-3 cb


-Original Message-
From: Erik Hillenmeyer [mailto:erik_hawk...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 17:03
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

Hello,

Been following on here for a while but never posted.

I have a new-to-me 1984 C&C 35 MKIII on Lake Michigan.  When we launched
six days ago I noticed a large amount of water in the bilge when I would
go to the boat.  Approximately 2.5 gallons every 24 hours.  I have
narrowed the leak down to what I assume is a hull/keel joint issue.  

After checking all the obvious sources for this much water (thru hull,
tanks, etc, etc) I finally noticed that all the water was coming from a
limber hole in the stringer just forward of the aft most keel bolt.  The
water is NOTcoming out this limber hole because it's flowing through
there from a higher point in the bilge - it's flooding up from
underneath the stringer.  The bilge area aft of this stringer is dusty
dry and I've elminated all other sources of water.

The first thing I'm in the process of doing is installing an automatic
bilge pump and float switch (PO never had one).  

I also plan on tightening the keel bolts as soon as I get access to a
torque wrench and an extension that can reach the 2 feet to the deepest
part of the sump where one of the keel bolts is located.  I'm hoping
this is some help in stopping or reducing the leak.  The sailing season
is very short here and hauling out now would cost us a big chunk of
sailing, so I'm willing to try anything to stay in.

I've thrown this out on some other blogs, but wanted to know if other
C&C owners have experienced this issue or have some solutions for
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Bina


  
  
If the boat is leaking and you suspect
  the keel needs tightening to stop the leak, don't worry about the
  fact that it is in the water. Just tighten them and get that leak
  stopped. You can always properly loosen and re-tighten them to
  spec at the end of the season on the hard after your boat hasn't
  sunk. No, it isn't the ideal and proper way to do it. Right now it
  is FAR more important to keep the boat floating without needing to
  rely heavily on pumps. I wouldn't wait. Sailing a boat with the
  keel loose is a bad idea. There are a lot of substantial forces at
  work, and a loose keel can quickly escalate to a lost keel. 
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 5/22/2013 5:24 PM, Erik Hillenmeyer wrote:


  
Keith,
 
The tanks are empty, I never filled them.  The water
is crystal clear (thanks to Zebra mussels) Lake Michigan
water - no fuel, oil, etc.
 
I am not completely convinced it isn't finding it's
way to the stringer from elsewhere, but I just can't prove
it.  I've removed all the floor boards and the the thing is
just bone dry everywhere except inside that limber hole.  in
fact, if i stick my finger in the cutout in the stringer for
the bilge hose, which is several inches to port of the
limber hole it is dry, so it almost has to be coming from
below.
 
My shower pump was straight forward, hose from the
shower sump to a pump under the sink and up to a thru hull
at the toe rail.  I disabled this yesterday because i
installed an automatic bilge pump and float switch to keep
up with the water and the only above the water line thru
hull available was the shower drain pump - i don't use it
anyway.  In off season I'll maybe add a thru hull and
reattach it.
 
Thanks for the input!  Any opinion on tightening keel
bolts in the water - I cannot get a conclusive answer on
this.  Some sources say do it and some say never.  I've seen
it argued on several forums, but haven't formed my own
opinion yet...
 
Thanks,
 
Erik

  


  


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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

Just tighten away. You can't do any harm. Maybe the leak will stop. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-05-22, at 18:24, Erik Hillenmeyer  wrote:

Keith,
 
The tanks are empty, I never filled them.  The water is crystal clear (thanks 
to Zebra mussels) Lake Michigan water - no fuel, oil, etc.
 
I am not completely convinced it isn't finding it's way to the stringer from 
elsewhere, but I just can't prove it.  I've removed all the floor boards and 
the the thing is just bone dry everywhere except inside that limber hole.  in 
fact, if i stick my finger in the cutout in the stringer for the bilge hose, 
which is several inches to port of the limber hole it is dry, so it almost has 
to be coming from below.
 
My shower pump was straight forward, hose from the shower sump to a pump under 
the sink and up to a thru hull at the toe rail.  I disabled this yesterday 
because i installed an automatic bilge pump and float switch to keep up with 
the water and the only above the water line thru hull available was the shower 
drain pump - i don't use it anyway.  In off season I'll maybe add a thru hull 
and reattach it.
 
Thanks for the input!  Any opinion on tightening keel bolts in the water - I 
cannot get a conclusive answer on this.  Some sources say do it and some say 
never.  I've seen it argued on several forums, but haven't formed my own 
opinion yet...
 
Thanks,
 
Erik

From: "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" 
To: Erik Hillenmeyer ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

Erik,

I've been mulling over your situation.

Here's my thoughts:

You indicate that it seems like the water is originating from somewhere
*inside* the stringer. We know that there are no keel bolts in there,
nor are there any openings to the ocean there...and it's in front of the
last keel bolt, so it seems unlikely (to me) that it's a grounding
problem.
So...where would water come from *inside* the stringer?

On my 35-3, they've run all the water hoses/pipes thru large holes in
the stringers, drilled maybe 1" or so down from the top.
If one of those pipes has a weeping leak where it passes over the
perhaps sharp edge of the hole drilled, it could seem like the water is
originating in there.  Then gravity just makes the water tanks drip into
the bilge.
It's been a few days...at 2.5 gallons a day, your water tanks should be
noticeably low if this was the source. To test, put two different food
colors (or two different liquors) in the tanks, and close the valves at
the water pump so they aren't cross-connected, then wait it out. What
color/taste is the bilge?

Another possibility along these lines is an extra bilge pump pickup...on
my 35-3 there is a shower sump pump for the shower in the head. But
somewhere along the line (maybe at the factory) they put a 3-way valve
in, then ran a hose thru the bilge to a point between the mast and
engine, and there is a pickup there too. (it's my "aft" bilge pump
pickup)
If this was deranged like above (leaky hose/fitting), or if there was
some sort of siphon being set up from the shower to the bilge via the
overboard lines? It's a stretch...but maybe. 

-Keith Morgenstern
C&C 35-3 cb


-Original Message-
From: Erik Hillenmeyer [mailto:erik_hawk...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 17:03
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

Hello,

Been following on here for a while but never posted.

I have a new-to-me 1984 C&C 35 MKIII on Lake Michigan.  When we launched
six days ago I noticed a large amount of water in the bilge when I would
go to the boat.  Approximately 2.5 gallons every 24 hours.  I have
narrowed the leak down to what I assume is a hull/keel joint issue.  

After checking all the obvious sources for this much water (thru hull,
tanks, etc, etc) I finally noticed that all the water was coming from a
limber hole in the stringer just forward of the aft most keel bolt.  The
water is NOTcoming out this limber hole because it's flowing through
there from a higher point in the bilge - it's flooding up from
underneath the stringer.  The bilge area aft of this stringer is dusty
dry and I've elminated all other sources of water.

The first thing I'm in the process of doing is installing an automatic
bilge pump and float switch (PO never had one).  

I also plan on tightening the keel bolts as soon as I get access to a
torque wrench and an extension that can reach the 2 feet to the deepest
part of the sump where one of the keel bolts is located.  I'm hoping
this is some help in stopping or reducing the leak.  The sailing season
is very short here and hauling out now would cost us a big chunk of
sailing, so I'm willing to try anything to stay in.

I've thrown this out on some other blogs, but wanted to know if other
C&C owners have experienced this issue or have some solutions for
getting her through the season.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: Stus-List Pic of Calypso from R2S 2013

2013-05-22 Thread Martin DeYoung

Thanks for the nice words on how Calypso looks. In the interest of full 
disclosure, the paint job is rated at 10' (i.e. looks good from 10' away).  The 
years and miles have taken a toll on the cosmetics inside and out.  Calypso's 
co-owner and I will be slowly working our way the repair and paint list while 
still sailing in a few races each year.

Russ, were you on Amazing Grace (custom C&C) for the 'Round Saltspring Isle 
race?  If so was that a tune up for the Van Isle 360 and how did the tune up go?

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & Melody
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Pic of Calypso from Race to the Straits 2013

Martin...
That looks really good. I'm glad you got out on the day it didn't rain on the 
west coast.
(nudge nudge. don't let 'em know it can be like this many days, all year round. 
The poor lads are still seeing ice on some lakes and even hafta haul the boats 
INTO the water in the spring.. not outta the water, fer christ's sake)

We had a grand weekend on the 'Round Saltspring Island Race. A few of us lucky 
boats got through Sansum Narrows and finished before midnight... the first ones 
of the other 80 boats started to show around 09:00 on Sunday. (race cut-off @ 
10:00)
http://saltspringsailing.ca/roundsaltspring/results/

Cheers, Russ

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Here is link to a pic of an old C&C going to weather.  (I purchased copies from 
Jan?s for both my wall and computer desk top.)

We were racing double-handed.  The spin pole is on the mast to keep the heavy 
#1 sheets from tangling in the baby stay.  I estimate we tacked 25 to 30 times 
over the 30 mile course out to Port Townsend.  Fortunately the return race on 
Sunday was all downwind giving the crew a well-deserved rest from grinding.

http://janpix.smugmug.com/Boats/Race-to-the-Straits-2013/29291605_WVLQ3n#!i=2497822185&k=Dn8nxVV&lb=1&s=L

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

2013-05-22 Thread Graham Collins


Hi Erik
I would tighten it while in the water, it is so unlikely to result in a 
bad outcome that I don't see a reason why you wouldn't try it.


I remain baffled though as to the path the water is taking.  A leak at 
the keel stub to lead joint should come in at a bolt.  For it to get up 
under that stringer is a mystery to me (but then I have a leak into my 
hanging locker that I am unable to find, so what do I know???).


Good luck!

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2013-05-22 6:24 PM, Erik Hillenmeyer wrote:

Keith,
The tanks are empty, I never filled them.  The water is crystal clear 
(thanks to Zebra mussels) Lake Michigan water - no fuel, oil, etc.
I am not completely convinced it isn't finding it's way to the 
stringer from elsewhere, but I just can't prove it.  I've removed all 
the floor boards and the the thing is just bone dry everywhere except 
inside that limber hole.  in fact, if i stick my finger in the cutout 
in the stringer for the bilge hose, which is several inches to port of 
the limber hole it is dry, so it almost has to be coming from below.
My shower pump was straight forward, hose from the shower sump to a 
pump under the sink and up to a thru hull at the toe rail.  I disabled 
this yesterday because i installed an automatic bilge pump and float 
switch to keep up with the water and the only above the water line 
thru hull available was the shower drain pump - i don't use it 
anyway.  In off season I'll maybe add a thru hull and reattach it.
Thanks for the input!  Any opinion on tightening keel bolts in the 
water - I cannot get a conclusive answer on this.  Some sources say do 
it and some say never.  I've seen it argued on several forums, but 
haven't formed my own opinion yet...

Thanks,
Erik

*From:* "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" 
*To:* Erik Hillenmeyer ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:51 PM
*Subject:* RE: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

Erik,

I've been mulling over your situation.

Here's my thoughts:

You indicate that it seems like the water is originating from somewhere
*inside* the stringer. We know that there are no keel bolts in there,
nor are there any openings to the ocean there...and it's in front of the
last keel bolt, so it seems unlikely (to me) that it's a grounding
problem.
So...where would water come from *inside* the stringer?

On my 35-3, they've run all the water hoses/pipes thru large holes in
the stringers, drilled maybe 1" or so down from the top.
If one of those pipes has a weeping leak where it passes over the
perhaps sharp edge of the hole drilled, it could seem like the water is
originating in there.  Then gravity just makes the water tanks drip into
the bilge.
It's been a few days...at 2.5 gallons a day, your water tanks should be
noticeably low if this was the source. To test, put two different food
colors (or two different liquors) in the tanks, and close the valves at
the water pump so they aren't cross-connected, then wait it out. What
color/taste is the bilge?

Another possibility along these lines is an extra bilge pump pickup...on
my 35-3 there is a shower sump pump for the shower in the head. But
somewhere along the line (maybe at the factory) they put a 3-way valve
in, then ran a hose thru the bilge to a point between the mast and
engine, and there is a pickup there too. (it's my "aft" bilge pump
pickup)
If this was deranged like above (leaky hose/fitting), or if there was
some sort of siphon being set up from the shower to the bilge via the
overboard lines? It's a stretch...but maybe.

-Keith Morgenstern
C&C 35-3 cb


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From: Erik Hillenmeyer [mailto:erik_hawk...@yahoo.com 
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 17:03
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

Hello,

Been following on here for a while but never posted.

I have a new-to-me 1984 C&C 35 MKIII on Lake Michigan.  When we launched
six days ago I noticed a large amount of water in the bilge when I would
go to the boat.  Approximately 2.5 gallons every 24 hours.  I have
narrowed the leak down to what I assume is a hull/keel joint issue.

After checking all the obvious sources for this much water (thru hull,
tanks, etc, etc) I finally noticed that all the water was coming from a
limber hole in the stringer just forward of the aft most keel bolt.  The
water is NOTcoming out this limber hole because it's flowing through
there from a higher point in the bilge - it's flooding up from
underneath the stringer.  The bilge area aft of this stringer is dusty
dry and I've elminated all other sources of water.

The first thing I'm in the process of doing is installing an automatic
bilge pump and float switch (PO never had one).

I also plan on tightening the keel bolts as soon as I get access to a
torque wrench and an extension that can reach the 2 feet to the deepest
part of the sump where one of the keel bolts is located. I'm hoping
this is some help in stopping or

Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I put it in Fwd

I need help!!! I crank up the 2GM15 let her come to operating temp. I idel
up to around 900 and slip her into gear and it stalls out unless I goose
the fuel. This is a problem. I don't have this problem in REV. But I cant
operate a 8 thousand pound boat in swift currents, In close quarters.  Is
there something that can be don to fix this problem? Is this a problem with
the C&C30 MK1 of centered shaft and engine alignment?
The prop is clean.
The Transmission turns by hand.
There is oil in the transmission.

Help...

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Re: Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I put it in Fwd

2013-05-22 Thread Martin DeYoung

How does your fuel pick up tube and filter look?  Fuel starvation can create 
that type of stall.

Had it happen once when taking a newly purchased 1980 C&C 36 under a train draw 
bridge after clearing the Ballard Locks (first trip as owner).  Thought for 
sure I was going to leave the top of the rig on that bridge.  Fortunately I got 
the engine to fire for just long enough to give the bridge tender time to open 
up.

The engine stall was caused by debris in the tank blocking the fuel pick up 
tube.  When the engine stalled the suction stopped and the debris drifted clear 
giving just enough fuel to fire and idle.

Bacteria can clog a fuel filter without being visible to the naked eye.  If you 
have the time and skills a filter change may be the easiest and lowest cost 
next step.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:07 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I put it in Fwd

I need help!!! I crank up the 2GM15 let her come to operating temp. I idel up 
to around 900 and slip her into gear and it stalls out unless I goose the fuel. 
This is a problem. I don't have this problem in REV. But I cant operate a 8 
thousand pound boat in swift currents, In close quarters.  Is there something 
that can be don to fix this problem? Is this a problem with the C&C30 MK1 of 
centered shaft and engine alignment?
The prop is clean.
The Transmission turns by hand.
There is oil in the transmission.

Help...

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Re: Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I put it in Fwd

I will change he filter. Never don it But it cant be too hard. Al-tho I can
run it up to high rps with no problems. Its just at low rpms that it wants
to stall.
You know there is a spot in the throttle to transmission shifting process.
If its to high it will not go into gear. I get to to the high side of that
and it goes right into rev. bur in fwd it stalls out unless I react fast
and give it fuel.??



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote:

>  How does your fuel pick up tube and filter look?  Fuel starvation can
> create that type of stall.
>
> ** **
>
> Had it happen once when taking a newly purchased 1980 C&C 36 under a train
> draw bridge after clearing the Ballard Locks (first trip as owner).
> Thought for sure I was going to leave the top of the rig on that bridge.
> Fortunately I got the engine to fire for just long enough to give the
> bridge tender time to open up.
>
> ** **
>
> The engine stall was caused by debris in the tank blocking the fuel pick
> up tube.  When the engine stalled the suction stopped and the debris
> drifted clear giving just enough fuel to fire and idle.
>
> ** **
>
> Bacteria can clog a fuel filter without being visible to the naked eye.
> If you have the time and skills a filter change may be the easiest and
> lowest cost next step.
>
> ** **
>
> Martin
>
> Calypso
>
> 1970 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *
> Curtis
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:07 PM
> *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I put it in Fwd
>
> ** **
>
> I need help!!! I crank up the 2GM15 let her come to operating temp. I idel
> up to around 900 and slip her into gear and it stalls out unless I goose
> the fuel. This is a problem. I don't have this problem in REV. But I cant
> operate a 8 thousand pound boat in swift currents, In close quarters.  Is
> there something that can be don to fix this problem? Is this a problem with
> the C&C30 MK1 of centered shaft and engine alignment? 
>
> The prop is clean.
>
> The Transmission turns by hand.
>
> There is oil in the transmission. 
>
> ** **
>
> Help...
>
> ** **
>
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> “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to
> change; the realist adjusts the sails.” 
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

2013-05-22 Thread Jake Brodersen

Graham,

 

You hanging locker leak could be from something pretty far away that allows
the water to flow over the headliner.  The mast boot might be close enough
to cause the leak.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Collins
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Erik Hillenmeyer; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak

 

Hi Erik
I would tighten it while in the water, it is so unlikely to result in a bad
outcome that I don't see a reason why you wouldn't try it.

I remain baffled though as to the path the water is taking.  A leak at the
keel stub to lead joint should come in at a bolt.  For it to get up under
that stringer is a mystery to me (but then I have a leak into my hanging
locker that I am unable to find, so what do I know???).

Good luck!



Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11 

 

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Re: Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I put it in Fwd

2013-05-22 Thread Dennis C.

Describe your engine control.  Is it a single lever?Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAFrom: Curtis  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I
 put it in Fwd   I will change he filter. Never don it But it cant be too hard. Al-tho I can run it up to high rps with no problems. Its just at low rpms that it wants to stall. You know there is a spot in the throttle to transmission shifting process. If its to high it will not go into gear. I get to to the high side of that and it goes right into rev. bur in fwd it stalls out unless I react fast and give it fuel.??
  On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Martin DeYoung  wrote:








How does your fuel pick up tube and filter look?  Fuel starvation can create that type of stall.

 
Had it happen once when taking a newly purchased 1980 C&C 36 under a train draw bridge after clearing the Ballard Locks (first trip as owner).  Thought for sure
 I was going to leave the top of the rig on that bridge.  Fortunately I got the engine to fire for just long enough to give the bridge tender time to open up.
 
The engine stall was caused by debris in the tank blocking the fuel pick up tube.  When the engine stalled the suction stopped and the debris drifted clear giving
 just enough fuel to fire and idle.
 
Bacteria can clog a fuel filter without being visible to the naked eye.  If you have the time and skills a filter change may be the easiest and lowest cost next
 step.
 
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle


 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:07 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 2GM 15 dies when I put it in Fwd
 


I need help!!! I crank up the 2GM15 let her come to operating temp. I idel up to around 900 and slip her into gear and it stalls out unless I goose the fuel. This is a problem. I don't have this problem in REV. But I cant operate a 8 thousand
 pound boat in swift currents, In close quarters.  Is there something that can be don to fix this problem? Is this a problem with the C&C30 MK1 of centered shaft and engine alignment? 


The prop is clean.


The Transmission turns by hand.


There is oil in the transmission. 


 


Help...


 

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