Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[gbraun223]

A cleanser called Bar Keepers Friend might do the job. It comes in a powder or 
a liquid. Does a good job on rust on stainless. 



George Braun 

former Quicksilver owner 

C&C 38 



- Original Message -


From: "Liz Mather"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:36:00 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help 


Strange I was going to send a message requesting the expertise of the list as 
well on a similar question. 
I had someone working (well that claimed to be working on my boat) on my boat 
doing some wet sanding and setoling my hand rail extra. 
Two problems, one he told me that he had removed all the tape that he put on 
the gel to protect it...NOT so when I removed the tape there is some residue of 
glue etc on the gel.  The boat has been hauled and is on the cradle in the shed 
but there will be all kinds of 'stuff' in the wind that will get on this 
residue and damage the gel.  I think he thought that I would miss it because 
the boat was in the hanger...and secondly he left tools and the setol can 
(metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain storm and stained the decks with 
the metal so I now have a metal ring on my deck in two places and the outline 
of the screw driver that he probably used to open the can.  Believe it or not 
this person came highly rated...whatever! 
Is there something that I can use that will remove these stains? 
Many thanks! 

  
Liz Mather 
Mistral V C & C 35-1 
Hamilton Harbour West 



On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Rick Brass < rickbr...@earthlink.net > wrote: 


A good friend, who has a boat repair service, has been working ion the Cal 27 
belonging to an acquaintance at the club. Clean the decks, buff the topsides 
and apply New Glass, refinish the mast with white Imron, sand, fair, and 
repaint the bottom. The boat was looking really nice and ready for relaunch 
- until a few days ago. 

A young yahoo decided to sand the bottom paint off his old boat, and the 
black sanding dust ended up on the recently painted - but not fully cured - 
mast. Reportedly it was ablative paint and why he didn't have the yard take 
it off with the pressure washer when the boat was hauled I cannot say. 

Anyway, the mast has been wet sanded to remove the imbedded black stuff and 
repainted. 

Yesterday when they went to step the mast at the yard they discovered that 
the deck is also looking pretty bad. The black sanding dust has bled into 
the gelcoat and - apparently because of the effects of sun, heat, and 
morning dew - there are purple-ish blotches that look like bruises on the 
recently pristine deck. 

My buddy is trying to clean the decks without screwing up the work already 
done on the bottom and topsides. Normally he would use On and Off on the 
deck, but we both suspect that the oxalic acid runoff from the decks will 
ruin the New Glass and the Trinidad Pro bottom paint. 

So here is the C&C related part of this message: We want to draw on the 
expertise and experience of the list before attacking the deck. Can anyone 
recommend a cleaner or a method to clean the deck without screwing up the 
shiny topsides? 


Rick Brass 
Washington, NC 






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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[dwight veinot]

Liz

 

There are lots of good inexpensive rust stain removers to choose
from.solutions containing, oxalic acid and/ or phosphoric acid work well, or
a solution of 15% hydrochloric (muriatic) acid in water also works well.
Neither will hurt your deck.  Around here we can get a no name toilet bowl
cleaner that contains 23% hydrochloric acid and I use that to clean rust on
the deck that comes from my anchor chain.  Apply the stuff only where needed
and let sit for about 10-15 minutes and then rinse well with water.  If
you're not happy reapply and rinse again.  Also I find a solution of
trisodium phosphate (TSP) works well as a general deck cleaner but not so
good for rust stains.  I do my deck every spring before launch with the TSP
solution and I remove any rust stains with the toilet bowl cleaner before
the general wash down with TSP.  I have used these solutions to clean gel
coat decks and now also on the deck of Alianna which has been coated with
International Perfection 2 part polyurethane paint.  I always do the deck
cleaning before shining up the hull to avoid possible degradation of the
shine with deck wash down water, I think most people would clean from the
top down for that reason. 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Liz
Mather
Sent: October 22, 2012 3:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

 

Strange I was going to send a message requesting the expertise of the list
as well on a similar question.

I had someone working (well that claimed to be working on my boat) on my
boat doing some wet sanding and setoling my hand rail extra.

Two problems, one he told me that he had removed all the tape that he put on
the gel to protect it...NOT so when I removed the tape there is some residue
of glue etc on the gel.  The boat has been hauled and is on the cradle in
the shed but there will be all kinds of 'stuff' in the wind that will get on
this residue and damage the gel.  I think he thought that I would miss it
because the boat was in the hanger...and secondly he left tools and the
setol can (metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain storm and stained
the decks with the metal so I now have a metal ring on my deck in two places
and the outline of the screw driver that he probably used to open the can.
Believe it or not this person came highly rated...whatever!

Is there something that I can use that will remove these stains?

Many thanks!

 

Liz Mather

Mistral V C & C 35-1

Hamilton Harbour West

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Rick Brass 
wrote:

A good friend, who has a boat repair service, has been working ion the Cal
27
belonging to an acquaintance at the club. Clean the decks, buff the topsides
and apply New Glass, refinish the mast with white Imron, sand, fair, and
repaint the bottom. The boat was looking really nice and ready for relaunch
- until a few days ago.

A young yahoo decided to sand the bottom paint off his old boat, and the
black sanding dust ended up on the recently painted - but not fully cured -
mast. Reportedly it was ablative paint and why he didn't have the yard take
it off with the pressure washer when the boat was hauled I cannot say.

Anyway, the mast has been wet sanded to remove the imbedded black stuff and
repainted.

Yesterday when they went to step the mast at the yard they discovered that
the deck is also looking pretty bad. The black sanding dust has bled into
the gelcoat and - apparently because of the effects of sun, heat, and
morning dew - there are purple-ish blotches that look like bruises on the
recently pristine deck.

My buddy is trying to clean the decks without screwing up the work already
done on the bottom and topsides. Normally he would use On and Off on the
deck, but we both suspect that the oxalic acid runoff from the decks will
ruin the New Glass and the Trinidad Pro bottom paint.

So here is the C&C related part of this message: We want to draw on the
expertise and experience of the list before attacking the deck. Can anyone
recommend a cleaner or a method to clean the deck without screwing up the
shiny topsides?


Rick Brass
Washington, NC






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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Gary Nylander]

Try Goof Off. At any grocery or hardware store. It will remove the tape glue 
residue. Takes some rubbing, but it worked for me.

Gary
Maryland
  - Original Message - 
  From: Liz Mather 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:36 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help


  Strange I was going to send a message requesting the expertise of the list as 
well on a similar question.
  I had someone working (well that claimed to be working on my boat) on my boat 
doing some wet sanding and setoling my hand rail extra.
  Two problems, one he told me that he had removed all the tape that he put on 
the gel to protect it...NOT so when I removed the tape there is some residue of 
glue etc on the gel.  The boat has been hauled and is on the cradle in the shed 
but there will be all kinds of 'stuff' in the wind that will get on this 
residue and damage the gel.  I think he thought that I would miss it because 
the boat was in the hanger...and secondly he left tools and the setol can 
(metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain storm and stained the decks with 
the metal so I now have a metal ring on my deck in two places and the outline 
of the screw driver that he probably used to open the can.  Believe it or not 
this person came highly rated...whatever!
  Is there something that I can use that will remove these stains?
  Many thanks!


  Liz Mather
  Mistral V C & C 35-1
  Hamilton Harbour West



  On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Rick Brass  wrote:

A good friend, who has a boat repair service, has been working ion the Cal 
27
belonging to an acquaintance at the club. Clean the decks, buff the topsides
and apply New Glass, refinish the mast with white Imron, sand, fair, and
repaint the bottom. The boat was looking really nice and ready for relaunch
- until a few days ago.

A young yahoo decided to sand the bottom paint off his old boat, and the
black sanding dust ended up on the recently painted - but not fully cured -
mast. Reportedly it was ablative paint and why he didn't have the yard take
it off with the pressure washer when the boat was hauled I cannot say.

Anyway, the mast has been wet sanded to remove the imbedded black stuff and
repainted.

Yesterday when they went to step the mast at the yard they discovered that
the deck is also looking pretty bad. The black sanding dust has bled into
the gelcoat and - apparently because of the effects of sun, heat, and
morning dew - there are purple-ish blotches that look like bruises on the
recently pristine deck.

My buddy is trying to clean the decks without screwing up the work already
done on the bottom and topsides. Normally he would use On and Off on the
deck, but we both suspect that the oxalic acid runoff from the decks will
ruin the New Glass and the Trinidad Pro bottom paint.

So here is the C&C related part of this message: We want to draw on the
expertise and experience of the list before attacking the deck. Can anyone
recommend a cleaner or a method to clean the deck without screwing up the
shiny topsides?


Rick Brass
Washington, NC






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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Paul Fountain]

Liz,

 

Try Goo Gone - its worked for me even on duct tape residue.

 

Also who is the culprit - I am in the area and want to be sure I don't use
him! (Off list if you prefer) 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Liz
Mather
Sent: October-22-12 2:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

 

Strange I was going to send a message requesting the expertise of the list
as well on a similar question.

I had someone working (well that claimed to be working on my boat) on my
boat doing some wet sanding and setoling my hand rail extra.

Two problems, one he told me that he had removed all the tape that he put on
the gel to protect it...NOT so when I removed the tape there is some residue
of glue etc on the gel.  The boat has been hauled and is on the cradle in
the shed but there will be all kinds of 'stuff' in the wind that will get on
this residue and damage the gel.  I think he thought that I would miss it
because the boat was in the hanger...and secondly he left tools and the
setol can (metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain storm and stained
the decks with the metal so I now have a metal ring on my deck in two places
and the outline of the screw driver that he probably used to open the can.
Believe it or not this person came highly rated...whatever!

Is there something that I can use that will remove these stains?

Many thanks!

 

Liz Mather

Mistral V C & C 35-1

Hamilton Harbour West

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Rick Brass 
wrote:

A good friend, who has a boat repair service, has been working ion the Cal
27
belonging to an acquaintance at the club. Clean the decks, buff the topsides
and apply New Glass, refinish the mast with white Imron, sand, fair, and
repaint the bottom. The boat was looking really nice and ready for relaunch
- until a few days ago.

A young yahoo decided to sand the bottom paint off his old boat, and the
black sanding dust ended up on the recently painted - but not fully cured -
mast. Reportedly it was ablative paint and why he didn't have the yard take
it off with the pressure washer when the boat was hauled I cannot say.

Anyway, the mast has been wet sanded to remove the imbedded black stuff and
repainted.

Yesterday when they went to step the mast at the yard they discovered that
the deck is also looking pretty bad. The black sanding dust has bled into
the gelcoat and - apparently because of the effects of sun, heat, and
morning dew - there are purple-ish blotches that look like bruises on the
recently pristine deck.

My buddy is trying to clean the decks without screwing up the work already
done on the bottom and topsides. Normally he would use On and Off on the
deck, but we both suspect that the oxalic acid runoff from the decks will
ruin the New Glass and the Trinidad Pro bottom paint.

So here is the C&C related part of this message: We want to draw on the
expertise and experience of the list before attacking the deck. Can anyone
recommend a cleaner or a method to clean the deck without screwing up the
shiny topsides?


Rick Brass
Washington, NC






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Re: Stus-List Miscellaneous -impeller

[Rick Brass]

I hate it when the calamari gets overcooked and tastes like deep fried
rubber bands.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Miscellaneous -impeller

Calamari. Different shape. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-19, at 18:09, RAYMOND SHIBE  wrote:

The damn rubber is a bit chewy though.


On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Rich C&C wrote:

> Ray: Add some garlic and sautee with mushrooms. They are really good!
> 
> Rich
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> RAYMOND SHIBE
> Sent: October 19, 2012 17:44
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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Wally Bryant]

Liz - For the rust rings, try FSR (Fiberglass Stain Remover) from Davis 
Instruments.  Google it for a million sources.


I had always assumed it was just Oxalic Acid thickened up a bit, but 
there must be something else in there as it works a lot better than an 
Oxalic Acid paste.  I just tried it on a lark, as I have a tendency to 
develop the worlds worst rust streaks down my transom from the mounting 
hardware on my Monitor and the teak shelf that sits underneath it.  This 
stuff removed the streaks in less than 5 minutes after applying it with 
a paint brush and no scrubbing other than using the brush to keep the 
stain wet.


Wal

 Liz Mather wrote:

and secondly he left
tools and the setol can (metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain
storm and stained the decks with the metal so I now have a metal ring on my
deck in two places



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Re: Stus-List New sail purchase - 2 or 3 sail program?

[Rick Brass]

On my 38 mk1, it’s just over 2 ft 4 in on the LP – call it 2 ½ ft on the
foot of the sail.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New sail purchase - 2 or 3 sail program?

 

What is the difference in size between a 155 and 145?  Maybe 8 inches alone
the foot?

Joel

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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[dwight veinot]

I understand that rust stains and those brown stains we see just above the
water line, at least we get them here in St. Margaret's Bay, are actually
very fine particulates in nature and these small particles penetrate into
the gel coat or paint.  Getting rid of them requires more than elbow
grease...it requires something that can get in there and dissolve those
micron and submicron sized particles so they can be flushed out...when
totally broken down into the constituents ions they are colourless in
solution and acidic solutions or acidic pastes like oxalic, hydrochloric and
phosphoric acids can dissolve these particles quite readily and presto...the
stain is gone.  Same for rust and manganese deposits that form in toilets
that are flushed with water which contains iron and manganese particles like
iron oxide hydroxide for example.  Useless information maybe but it's a slow
day here.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
Bryant
Sent: October 22, 2012 10:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

Liz - For the rust rings, try FSR (Fiberglass Stain Remover) from Davis 
Instruments.  Google it for a million sources.

I had always assumed it was just Oxalic Acid thickened up a bit, but 
there must be something else in there as it works a lot better than an 
Oxalic Acid paste.  I just tried it on a lark, as I have a tendency to 
develop the worlds worst rust streaks down my transom from the mounting 
hardware on my Monitor and the teak shelf that sits underneath it.  This 
stuff removed the streaks in less than 5 minutes after applying it with 
a paint brush and no scrubbing other than using the brush to keep the 
stain wet.

Wal

  Liz Mather wrote:
> and secondly he left
> tools and the setol can (metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain
> storm and stained the decks with the metal so I now have a metal ring on
my
> deck in two places


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www.wbryant.com


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Re: Stus-List Miscellaneous -impeller

[RAYMOND SHIBE]

Looks like a wierd starfish too.
Ray Shibe


On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Rick Brass wrote:


I hate it when the calamari gets overcooked and tastes like deep fried
rubber bands.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC


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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I got some sponge things from the Boston boat show this year.  They are white 
and blue.  I can't remember the name but I'll check this weekend when I go down 
to the boat.

I had my doubts but the removed all kinds of stuff, rust stains included, even 
on the no-skid surface.  They do have a very fine abrasive quality and, 
basically wear down to nothing.  All I did was wet them, keep the surface I was 
cleaning wet and lightly rub.  I was pretty amazed.  I'll be buying more this 
year!  

Danny


-- Original Message --
From: Wally Bryant 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:49:17 +

Liz - For the rust rings, try FSR (Fiberglass Stain Remover) from Davis 
Instruments.  Google it for a million sources.

I had always assumed it was just Oxalic Acid thickened up a bit, but 
there must be something else in there as it works a lot better than an 
Oxalic Acid paste.  I just tried it on a lark, as I have a tendency to 
develop the worlds worst rust streaks down my transom from the mounting 
hardware on my Monitor and the teak shelf that sits underneath it.  This 
stuff removed the streaks in less than 5 minutes after applying it with 
a paint brush and no scrubbing other than using the brush to keep the 
stain wet.

Wal

  Liz Mather wrote:
> and secondly he left
> tools and the setol can (metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain
> storm and stained the decks with the metal so I now have a metal ring on my
> deck in two places


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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Tim Goodyear]

Has anyone has any success in slowing down the appearance of the brown
stains on topsides?  Does wax, super poly glo or new, less porous paint
make any difference?  I tried Awlcare (the Awlgrip cleaner / protector this
year), but it didn't seem to help much.



Thanks,



Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT
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Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Edd Schillay]

Listers,

We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of 
the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 

Should I be worried?


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Joel Aronson]

How big were the rectangles?

Joel Aronson


On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

Listers,

We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once everything
was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of the hull
above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide.

Should I be worried?

 All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[HONEYSAIL]

I would be worried...
 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2012 12:48:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
joel.aron...@gmail.com writes:

How big were the rectangles?

Joel Aronson  




On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay <_edd@schillay.com_ 
(mailto:e...@schillay.com) > wrote:



Listers,  


We hauled  the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once everything 
was settled,  I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of the hull 
above the  waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 


Should I be  worried?

 
 


All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship  Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail  No: NCC-1701-B
City Island,  NY 

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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Richard N. Bush]

I can't visualize a grid, could you send a photo? Thanks


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255



-Original Message-
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To: cnc-list 
Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+


I would be worried...
 

In a message dated 10/22/2012 12:48:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
joel.aron...@gmail.com writes:

How big were the rectangles?

Joel Aronson 




On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:



Listers, 


We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once everything was 
settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of the hull above 
the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 


Should I be worried?




All the best,


Edd




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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[William Hall]

Might be from poor calibration of your teleporter.

Bill

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Listers,
>
> We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once everything
> was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of the hull
> above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide.
>
> Should I be worried?
>
>  All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
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> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Edd Schillay]

Maybe 2" by 3". Looks like something that was used in the construction of the 
boat. 


All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> How big were the rectangles?
> 
> Joel Aronson
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>>  We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
>> everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side 
>> of the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 
>> 
>>  Should I be worried?
>> 
>>  
>>  All the best,
>> 
>>  Edd
>> 
>> 
>>  Edd M. Schillay
>>  Starship Enterprise
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>>  City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[David Risch]

It is probably Fiberglass mat "print-thru".  It is noticeable on my blue 
awlgripped hull.  Surveyor said it was part of the post-mold curing process and 
was not to be worried about.  When I paint the hull again it will go away.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
1981 40-2


From: e...@schillay.com
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:16:28 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

Maybe 2" by 3". Looks like something that was used in the construction of the 
boat. 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
Website




On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:How 
big were the rectangles?

Joel Aronson

On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:


Listers,
We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of 
the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 

Should I be worried?



All the best,

Edd



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Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website



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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[William Hall]

I wonder whether it could be the core printing through.  Is it possible it
was there before and you didn't notice it?

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Maybe 2" by 3". Looks like something that was used in the construction of
> the boat.
>
>  All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> How big were the rectangles?
>
> Joel Aronson
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once everything
> was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of the hull
> above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide.
>
> Should I be worried?
>
>  All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
>  Edd M. Schillay
>  Starship Enterprise
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Edd Schillay]

Very possible. It's not often that I get my face so close to the side. 

David Risch -- thanks. That's what I thought, but wanted to be sure.


All the best,

Edd


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On Oct 22, 2012, at 1:26 PM, William Hall  wrote:

> I wonder whether it could be the core printing through.  Is it possible it 
> was there before and you didn't notice it?
> 
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> Maybe 2" by 3". Looks like something that was used in the construction of the 
> boat. 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
>> How big were the rectangles?
>> 
>> Joel Aronson
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
>>> everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side 
>>> of the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 
>>> 
>>> Should I be worried?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Edd
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Edd M. Schillay
>>> Starship Enterprise
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>>> City Island, NY 
>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Alan Bergen]

To remove tape residue, I use 3M All Purpose Adhesive Cleaner. Spray on; wipe 
off. It's that easy . 


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Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Alan Bergen]

As the gel coat wears away, you can start to see the fiberglass fibers. Matte 
would have a random pattern. Since it's a grid, it sounds like roving, which is 
the glass layer that is usually laid up on top of the layer of matte (for 
strength). Did your boat ever have any fiberglass repair done to that area? If 
so, the person who did the repair job may have used roving and not matte. 


Alan Bergen 
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Rose City YC 
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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Alan Paul]

Everyone,
I do have another question.  Do any of you use a wax or something similar on 
the non-skid to seal it and make it easier to clean?  Is there anything that 
prevents it from being slippery?
Alan Paul
Allegra  C&C 37
Channel Islands, CA




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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:57 AM
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To remove tape residue, I use 3M All Purpose Adhesive Cleaner.  Spray on; wipe 
off.  It's that easy.


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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Chris Duer]

If its 2" x 3" then it's likely core print and has been there for quite some
time, just not noticed. 

 

If you're going to get print (especially core) it will happen in the first
year the boat sees the sun.  Unless, of course, it's a white boat that gets
painted a dark color later in life.  Then it could cause more resin
shrinkage, which would print the core further.

 

In such a large grid (2x3), it would be core, not glass.

 

Chris Duer

C&C 34 #117

Morning View

 

 

Best Regards,

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

 

Very possible. It's not often that I get my face so close to the side. 

 

David Risch -- thanks. That's what I thought, but wanted to be sure.




All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
 

 

 





 

On Oct 22, 2012, at 1:26 PM, William Hall  wrote:





I wonder whether it could be the core printing through.  Is it possible it
was there before and you didn't notice it?

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

Maybe 2" by 3". Looks like something that was used in the construction of
the boat. 





All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website  

 

 





 

On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:





How big were the rectangles?

Joel Aronson

 


On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

Listers,

 

We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once everything was
settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of the hull
above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 

 

Should I be worried?





All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website  

 

 






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Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

[Alex Giannelia]

For those who did a post mortem on their stainless steel shafts, were they 
hollow or solid?

ALEX GIANNELIA

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Stus-List Baseball

[dwight veinot]

I've been cheering for the Giants ever since the days of Mays, McCovey,
Cepeda and Marichal..most years there's not much to cheer about but for the
last couple of years and especially tonight there is...so go Giants go!!!
They do play on the Bay sort of, McCovey Cove for example, so this is sort
of sailing related...at least you stand a chance of seeing sailboat or some
sort of boat nearby if a ball goes into the cove

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Re: Stus-List Deck Wax (was Deck Cleaning Help)

[Wally Bryant]

Aurora makes a wax for non-skid, called Sure Step.  I tried it once -- 
can't remember the year but it was a long time ago.  It worked *great* 
but didn't last more than a year.


The major caveat: My old gelcoat sucked that stuff up like a sponge, and 
I went through an unbelievable amount of it, making the job a very 
expensive learning experience.  Given that it only lasted a year, I 
decided that it would be much cheaper to put down new non-skid.


Wal

Alan Paul wrote:

I do have another question.  Do any of you use a wax or something similar on 
the non-skid to seal it and make it easier to clean?  Is there anything that 
prevents it from being slippery?




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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[djhaug...@juno.com]

...or was it burn in left over from your holodeck?

-- Original Message --
From: William Hall 
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:11:23 -0400

Might be from poor calibration of your teleporter.
 Bill

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
Listers, We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of 
the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide.� Should 
I be worried?

 All the best, Edd  Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC&C 37/40+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY�Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website  


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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[cenelson]

I just power washed my 16 year old deck and it cleaned up easily.
?
OTOH, I am looking at pretty 'flat white' (non-painted) gel-coat. 
?
Also, I need to redo my non-skid for the 2nd time soon, probably with the Kiwi
stuff which was well reviewed by Practical Sailor recently. 
?
Ideally this will be my last non-skid application and while I like the presumed 
permanence of the glue-on stuff like Treadmaster, its cost is a lot more than 
the paint-based stuff.
?
In the interim, what does the list like for 'easily' shining up the deck--the 
non-non-skid portion?? Water Phantom takes a lot of NC sun year round and will 
probably need the deck painted when I do the non-skid.
?
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
Greenville, NC


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To: wal ; cnc-list 
Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:50 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help




I understand that rust stains and those brown stains we see just above the 
water line, at least we get them here in St. Margaret's Bay, are actually 
very fine particulates in nature and these small particles penetrate into 
the gel coat or paint.  Getting rid of them requires more than elbow 
grease...it requires something that can get in there and dissolve those 
micron and submicron sized particles so they can be flushed out...when 
totally broken down into the constituents ions they are colourless in 
solution and acidic solutions or acidic pastes like oxalic, hydrochloric and 
phosphoric acids can dissolve these particles quite readily and presto...the 
stain is gone.  Same for rust and manganese deposits that form in toilets 
that are flushed with water which contains iron and manganese particles like 
iron oxide hydroxide for example.  Useless information maybe but it's a slow 
day here. 
 
Dwight Veinot 
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally 
Bryant 
Sent: October 22, 2012 10:49 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help 
 
Liz - For the rust rings, try FSR (Fiberglass Stain Remover) from Davis  
Instruments.  Google it for a million sources. 
 
I had always assumed it was just Oxalic Acid thickened up a bit, but  
there must be something else in there as it works a lot better than an  
Oxalic Acid paste.  I just tried it on a lark, as I have a tendency to  
develop the worlds worst rust streaks down my transom from the mounting  
hardware on my Monitor and the teak shelf that sits underneath it.  This  
stuff removed the streaks in less than 5 minutes after applying it with  
a paint brush and no scrubbing other than using the brush to keep the  
stain wet. 
 
Wal 
 
  Liz Mather wrote: 
> and secondly he left 
> tools and the setol can (metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain 
> storm and stained the decks with the metal so I now have a metal ring on 
my 
> deck in two places 
 
 
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www.wbryant.com 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Dennis C.]

Edd,

If the pattern is a square weave of approx 1/4" threads, then it's the roving 
showing through the gel coat and skin out (matte) coat due to post-cure 
shrinkage.  It's cosmetic. 

Too bad we couldn't look at it at Mystic. Could have told you for sure. 

What many don't know is our plastic boats, regardless of age are still curing. 
The resin/catalyst reaction is essentially complete after a few days but 
technically continues to cure for years. Plastic shrinks with age. Sails 
shrink, even in the bag in your basement. 

Touché' had that pattern at midships. When I painted the boat last year I 
removed it by sanding with a Hutchens sander.  Hull is noticeably smoother now. 

Dennis C.
Touché' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Listers,
> 
>   We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
> everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of 
> the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 
> 
>   Should I be worried?
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Ken Heaton]

Hi Edd,

Our hull is painted dark blue and you can see a little of the grid pattern
in places.  You have to look just so, usually from below when the boat is
out of the water.  I can't see it in the summer when the boat is in.

Ken H.

On 22 October 2012 13:45, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Listers,
>
> We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once everything
> was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side of the hull
> above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide.
>
> Should I be worried?
>
>  All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
>  Starship Enterprise
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> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Edd Schillay]

Dennis,

Never noticed it before Saturday -- could have been there all along. My 
head was less than a foot away and it was probably only visible because the way 
the light was hitting it. 

But, for those on the list who thought it had something to do with the 
holodeck or transporters, we think it's probably the deflector grid and shield 
generators. 




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website





On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> Edd,
> 
> If the pattern is a square weave of approx 1/4" threads, then it's the roving 
> showing through the gel coat and skin out (matte) coat due to post-cure 
> shrinkage.  It's cosmetic. 
> 
> Too bad we couldn't look at it at Mystic. Could have told you for sure. 
> 
> What many don't know is our plastic boats, regardless of age are still 
> curing. The resin/catalyst reaction is essentially complete after a few days 
> but technically continues to cure for years. Plastic shrinks with age. Sails 
> shrink, even in the bag in your basement. 
> 
> Touché' had that pattern at midships. When I painted the boat last year I 
> removed it by sanding with a Hutchens sander.  Hull is noticeably smoother 
> now. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>>  We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
>> everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side 
>> of the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 
>> 
>>  Should I be worried?
>> 
>>  
>>  All the best,
>> 
>>  Edd
>> 
>> 
>>  Edd M. Schillay
>>  Starship Enterprise
>>  C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>  City Island, NY 
>>  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Baseball

[Ronald B. Frerker]

Well, I can see sailboats on the river from the St. Louis Arch.And I'm a St. 
Louis Cardinals fan!Go Cards!RonSTL

--- On Mon, 10/22/12, dwight veinot  wrote:

From: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Baseball
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Monday, October 22, 2012, 1:37 PM

I've been cheering for the Giants ever since the days of Mays, McCovey,
Cepeda and Marichal..most years there's not much to cheer about but for the
last couple of years and especially tonight there is...so go Giants go!!!
They do play on the Bay sort of, McCovey Cove for example, so this is sort
of sailing related...at least you stand a chance of seeing sailboat or some
sort of boat nearby if a ball goes into the cove

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Re: Stus-List Baseball

[Martin DeYoung]

During last night's game they showed the boats in McCovey cove and a shot of a 
racing sailboat going upwind past the Presidio area.  It looked like typical 
Bay area sailing conditions, a #3, full main and current enhanced chop.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Baseball

I've been cheering for the Giants ever since the days of Mays, McCovey,
Cepeda and Marichal..most years there's not much to cheer about but for the
last couple of years and especially tonight there is...so go Giants go!!!
They do play on the Bay sort of, McCovey Cove for example, so this is sort
of sailing related...at least you stand a chance of seeing sailboat or some
sort of boat nearby if a ball goes into the cove

Dwight Veinot
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Dennis C.]

The grid probably emerged when you overheated the dilithium crystals. 

Dennis

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Dennis,
> 
>   Never noticed it before Saturday -- could have been there all along. My 
> head was less than a foot away and it was probably only visible because the 
> way the light was hitting it. 
> 
>   But, for those on the list who thought it had something to do with the 
> holodeck or transporters, we think it's probably the deflector grid and 
> shield generators. 
> 
>   
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
>> Edd,
>> 
>> If the pattern is a square weave of approx 1/4" threads, then it's the 
>> roving showing through the gel coat and skin out (matte) coat due to 
>> post-cure shrinkage.  It's cosmetic. 
>> 
>> Too bad we couldn't look at it at Mystic. Could have told you for sure. 
>> 
>> What many don't know is our plastic boats, regardless of age are still 
>> curing. The resin/catalyst reaction is essentially complete after a few days 
>> but technically continues to cure for years. Plastic shrinks with age. Sails 
>> shrink, even in the bag in your basement. 
>> 
>> Touché' had that pattern at midships. When I painted the boat last year I 
>> removed it by sanding with a Hutchens sander.  Hull is noticeably smoother 
>> now. 
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touché' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
>>> everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the starboard side 
>>> of the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and about 6 feet wide. 
>>> 
>>> Should I be worried?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Edd
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Edd M. Schillay
>>> Starship Enterprise
>>> C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>> City Island, NY 
>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Graham Collins]

Nah, it is from when he turned on the Corbomite Device... that thing 
always causes print through!


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11


Dennis C. wrote:

The grid probably emerged when you overheated the dilithium crystals.

Dennis

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Edd Schillay > wrote:



Dennis,

Never noticed it before Saturday -- could have been there all along. 
My head was less than a foot away and it was probably only visible 
because the way the light was hitting it.


But, for those on the list who thought it had something to do with 
the holodeck or transporters, we think it's probably the deflector 
grid and shield generators.




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website 







On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Dennis C. > wrote:



Edd,

If the pattern is a square weave of approx 1/4" threads, then it's 
the roving showing through the gel coat and skin out (matte) coat 
due to post-cure shrinkage.  It's cosmetic.


Too bad we couldn't look at it at Mystic. Could have told you for sure.

What many don't know is our plastic boats, regardless of age are 
still curing. The resin/catalyst reaction is essentially complete 
after a few days but technically continues to cure for years. 
Plastic shrinks with age. Sails shrink, even in the bag in your 
basement.


Touché' had that pattern at midships. When I painted the boat last 
year I removed it by sanding with a Hutchens sander.  Hull is 
noticeably smoother now.


Dennis C.
Touché' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay > wrote:



Listers,

We hauled the Enterprise Saturday afternoon (so sad) and once 
everything was settled, I could see a visible "grid" on the 
starboard side of the hull above the waterline, 3 feet tall and 
about 6 feet wide.


Should I be worried?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Stevan Plavsa]

I second the recommendation for Bar Keeper's Friend. It cleans all sorts of
stuff, rust and glue residue included. It can be used on a wide variety of
surfaces so it's handy to have around in general.

Steve
Toronto
C&C 32


On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:09 PM,  wrote:

> I just power washed my 16 year old deck and it cleaned up easily.
>
> OTOH, I am looking at pretty 'flat white' (non-painted) gel-coat.
>
> Also, I need to redo my non-skid for the 2nd time soon, probably with the
> Kiwi
> stuff which was well reviewed by Practical Sailor recently.
>
> Ideally this will be my last non-skid application and while I like the
> presumed permanence of the glue-on stuff like Treadmaster, its cost is a
> lot more than the paint-based stuff.
>
> In the interim, what does the list like for 'easily' shining up the
> deck--the non-non-skid portion?  Water Phantom takes a lot of NC sun year
> round and will probably need the deck painted when I do the non-skid.
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C&C 36 XL/kcb
> Greenville, NC
>
>  cenel...@aol.com
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: dwight veinot 
> To: wal ; cnc-list 
> Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:50 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help
>
>
>
>
> I understand that rust stains and those brown stains we see just above the
>
> water line, at least we get them here in St. Margaret's Bay, are actually
>
> very fine particulates in nature and these small particles penetrate into
>
> the gel coat or paint.  Getting rid of them requires more than elbow
>
> grease...it requires something that can get in there and dissolve those
>
> micron and submicron sized particles so they can be flushed out...when
>
> totally broken down into the constituents ions they are colourless in
>
> solution and acidic solutions or acidic pastes like oxalic, hydrochloric and
>
> phosphoric acids can dissolve these particles quite readily and presto...the
>
> stain is gone.  Same for rust and manganese deposits that form in toilets
>
> that are flushed with water which contains iron and manganese particles like
>
> iron oxide hydroxide for example.  Useless information maybe but it's a slow
>
> day here.
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Wally
>
> Bryant
>
> Sent: October 22, 2012 10:49 AM
>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help
>
>
>
> Liz - For the rust rings, try FSR (Fiberglass Stain Remover) from Davis
>
> Instruments.  Google it for a million sources.
>
>
>
> I had always assumed it was just Oxalic Acid thickened up a bit, but
>
> there must be something else in there as it works a lot better than an
>
> Oxalic Acid paste.  I just tried it on a lark, as I have a tendency to
>
> develop the worlds worst rust streaks down my transom from the mounting
>
> hardware on my Monitor and the teak shelf that sits underneath it.  This
>
> stuff removed the streaks in less than 5 minutes after applying it with
>
> a paint brush and no scrubbing other than using the brush to keep the
>
> stain wet.
>
>
>
> Wal
>
>
>
>   Liz Mather wrote:
>
> > and secondly he left
>
> > tools and the setol can (metal) on the deck and obviouly during a rain
>
> > storm and stained the decks with the metal so I now have a metal ring on
>
> my
>
> > deck in two places
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Deck Wax (was Deck Cleaning Help)

[Stevan Plavsa]

I used Sure Step on my old boat and I was happy with the results. Didn't
have the boat that long so can't comment but I wax my car every year so I
would think a yearly application is normal.

Steve
Toronto
C&C 32

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Wally Bryant  wrote:

> Aurora makes a wax for non-skid, called Sure Step.  I tried it once --
> can't remember the year but it was a long time ago.  It worked *great* but
> didn't last more than a year.
>
> The major caveat: My old gelcoat sucked that stuff up like a sponge, and I
> went through an unbelievable amount of it, making the job a very expensive
> learning experience.  Given that it only lasted a year, I decided that it
> would be much cheaper to put down new non-skid.
>
> Wal
>
> Alan Paul wrote:
>
>> I do have another question.  Do any of you use a wax or something similar
>> on the non-skid to seal it and make it easier to clean?  Is there anything
>> that prevents it from being slippery?
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Deck Wax (was Deck Cleaning Help)

[Bill Coleman]

Woody Wax it intended for decks, I think.

I bought some several years ago, but decided against using it because I was
afraid it would be a problem when I re-paint  - Not cheap,

I guess I probably didn't have to say that, did I?

 

http://www.woody-wax.com/fiberglass-non-skid-deck-wax.php

 

 

Bill Coleman

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 6:31 PM
To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Wax (was Deck Cleaning Help)

 

I used Sure Step on my old boat and I was happy with the results. Didn't
have the boat that long so can't comment but I wax my car every year so I
would think a yearly application is normal.

 

Steve

Toronto

C&C 32

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Wally Bryant  wrote:

Aurora makes a wax for non-skid, called Sure Step.  I tried it once -- can't
remember the year but it was a long time ago.  It worked *great* but didn't
last more than a year.

The major caveat: My old gelcoat sucked that stuff up like a sponge, and I
went through an unbelievable amount of it, making the job a very expensive
learning experience.  Given that it only lasted a year, I decided that it
would be much cheaper to put down new non-skid.

Wal

Alan Paul wrote:

I do have another question.  Do any of you use a wax or something similar on
the non-skid to seal it and make it easier to clean?  Is there anything that
prevents it from being slippery?




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Re: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

[Bill Coleman]

I believe pretty much all the shafts were XX Strong SS Pipe. I redid mine a
few times, (not the shaft, the rudder) and they welded a solid bar onto the
top of the pipe. Another fellow who used to be on the list (C&C 39) redid
his with a Bob Perry design, looked nice. I think he had competetion
composites redo the fiberglass.  It snapped off just above the rudder a
couple years ago, ( I don't think through any fault of the competetion
composites rebuild) and he had a new one made in Mexico with a solid shaft.
Bet that one is heavy. Mine is nearly neutral weight in water.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


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Subject: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

For those who did a post mortem on their stainless steel shafts, were they
hollow or solid?

ALEX GIANNELIA

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Re: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

[HONEYSAIL]

Bill
 
Ditto, Honey's rudder is the same and nearly neutral in the water..
 
Jack Fitzgerald
C&C 39TM
 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2012 7:01:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
colt...@verizon.net writes:

I  believe pretty much all the shafts were XX Strong SS Pipe. I redid mine  
a
few times, (not the shaft, the rudder) and they welded a solid bar onto  the
top of the pipe. Another fellow who used to be on the list (C&C 39)  redid
his with a Bob Perry design, looked nice. I think he had  competetion
composites redo the fiberglass.  It snapped off just above  the rudder a
couple years ago, ( I don't think through any fault of the  competetion
composites rebuild) and he had a new one made in Mexico with a  solid shaft.
Bet that one is heavy. Mine is nearly neutral weight in  water.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


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Subject: Stus-List Rudder  Re-build/replacement

For those who did a post mortem on their stainless  steel shafts, were they
hollow or solid?

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Re: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

[Ron Casciato]

Alex.
The rudder shaft on my 38mkIIC was solidincluding the welded blade, it took 
two people to move it around. 
Ron C
Impromptu.38 MKIIC '77

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On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Alex Giannelia  wrote:

> For those who did a post mortem on their stainless steel shafts, were they 
> hollow or solid?
> 
> ALEX GIANNELIA
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Re: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

[Rick Brass]

The shaft on the original rudder for my 38 mk1 was 2" schedule 80 stainless
tube (2 1/4 OD and wall thickness about 1/4", IIRC) It had a machined
stainless plug welded into the top for the upper nut and the emergency
tiller attachment.

The replacement rudder is built on the shaft from a similar vintage 38 LF.
It was 2 1/4 OD solid stainless bar stock with the treads and tiller
attachment machined in the top.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC




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Subject: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

For those who did a post mortem on their stainless steel shafts, were they
hollow or solid?

ALEX GIANNELIA

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Re: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

[Chuck S]

Not sure, but I'd guess the shaft on anything less than 1 1/2" is solid and 
anything over that is probably hollow. Our shaft is 3" in diameter and has to 
be hollow with 1/4" thick walls. I dropped our rudder several years ago and I'd 
estimate it weighs around 125#, and a solid shaft of that size and length would 
be 50# heavier. The blade is 5 ft long and the SS shaft is 30" longer, so there 
is a lot of steel in there. 

A good design strategy is to to size things so if the rudder has a strike, like 
hitting a whale or a log or grounding, the rudder shaft needs to bend (not 
break) before the boat breaks, so the boat doesn't sink. I think it was in 
Skene's Elements of Design, if the rudder is strengthened, the boat needs to be 
made even stronger in that area, to survive a strike. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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Subject: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement 

For those who did a post mortem on their stainless steel shafts, were they 
hollow or solid? 

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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Jake Brodersen]

Danny,

Mr. Clean's Magic Eraser works on a lot of tough stains.  There may be a
marine variant as well, but I bet the grocery store variety is cheaper.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
"Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA




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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:58 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

I got some sponge things from the Boston boat show this year.  They are
white and blue.  I can't remember the name but I'll check this weekend when
I go down to the boat.

I had my doubts but the removed all kinds of stuff, rust stains included,
even on the no-skid surface.  They do have a very fine abrasive quality and,
basically wear down to nothing.  All I did was wet them, keep the surface I
was cleaning wet and lightly rub.  I was pretty amazed.  I'll be buying more
this year!  

Danny



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Re: Stus-List Deck Cleaning Help

[Russ & Melody]

Hey Jake,

I don't think many would describe him as a marine variant, maybe 
deviant... Anyhow, can be found on Sailing Anarchy, probably not cheap :)


Cheers, Russ

At 07:16 PM 22/10/2012, you wrote:

Danny,

Mr. Clean's Magic Eraser works on a lot of tough stains.  There may be a
marine variant as well, but I bet the grocery store variety is cheaper.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
"Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA



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