Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck]

Can’t do arithmetic, 49 years.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Chuck  wrote:I guess it was 59 years ago tonight.  1975Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Chuck  wrote:Saturday Night’s Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck  wrote:
50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.  So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.  Two big thumbs up.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck]

I am a whippersnapper compared to Ken and Bill so I feel pretty good.  Can’t eat much, can’t lift anything, arthritis in my hands, eyesight is pretty poor, but yeah, I feel pretty good!Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 8:34 PM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:I am getting a little touchy about anything that reminds me how old I am. It seems like adding another 10 years was a trigger.On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:31 PM Chuck  wrote:Can’t do arithmetic, 49 years.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Chuck  wrote:I guess it was 59 years ago tonight.  1975Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Chuck  wrote:Saturday Night’s Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck  wrote:
50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.  So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.  Two big thumbs up.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Ken Hohhof]

They say memory is the second thing to go, I don’t remember what the first 
thing is.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 10:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

 

I am a whippersnapper compared to Ken and Bill so I feel pretty good.  Can’t 
eat much, can’t lift anything, arthritis in my hands, eyesight is pretty poor, 
but yeah, I feel pretty good!

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 11, 2024, at 8:34 PM, Chuck Macenski mailto:ch...@macenski.com> > wrote:



I am getting a little touchy about anything that reminds me how old I am. It 
seems like adding another 10 years was a trigger.

 

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:31 PM Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

Can’t do arithmetic, 49 years.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 11, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
> wrote:

I guess it was 59 years ago tonight.  1975

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 11, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
> wrote:

Saturday Night’s 

Sent from my iPhone





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Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?




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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:


50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West 
coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.  
So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved 
it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.  
Two big thumbs up.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Ken Hohhof]

He’s alive!

 

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Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 9:17 PM
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49

 

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:44 PM Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

I guess it was 59 years ago tonight.  1975

Sent from my iPhone





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> wrote:

Saturday Night’s 

Sent from my iPhone





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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:


50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West 
coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.  
So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved 
it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.  
Two big thumbs up.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Ken Hohhof]

I miss Gilda.

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50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West
coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.
So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved
it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.
Two big thumbs up.

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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Bill Prince]

Well, there would be no shifting at all in the Tesla semi. IIRC, it has
three "special" electric motors; one that runs all the time, and the other
two are engaged as needed. According to published reports, all three motors
provide 3X the torque of a diesel truck.

The wikipedia page is mostly correct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi#:~:text=The%20truck%20is%20powered%20by,kW%E2%8B%85h%2Fkm).

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 2:40 PM Chuck  wrote:

> Jake brakes shut down some of the valves to create more forceful engine
> braking.  Those are the noisy ones.  There are also retarders that are
> essentially hydraulic pumps pumping into a dummy load.  Always good to have
> brake options.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2024, at 3:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Regenerative braking instead of engine braking would be a big
> improvement.  As would more torque for up hills or just getting up to
> speed.  And I imagine an electric semi would be a lot more pleasant to
> drive when stopped in traffic or just inching along.
>
>
>
> I know a farmer just went through getting his CDL to drive the family
> grain truck, still needs to pass the manual transmission test because the
> test site didn’t have any but that’s what the farm owns.
>
>
>
> I wonder if you need a special CDL to drive an electric semi, or if it’s
> the same as a diesel with an automatic.
>
>
>
> Someone just the other day was explaining to me that the loud engine
> braking on a big diesel isn’t the same as on my 6 speed manual car.
> Apparently there’s something called a “Jake Brake”.  OK, I would have
> guessed that was the name of a porn star.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 3:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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>
>
>
> Yeah, there are a lot of super truckers out there that think that if a
> truck can't be used for cross-continent trips, it's junk. The Tesla semi
> simply isn't meant for trips that need a sleeper.
>
>
>
> -
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, October 11, 2024 2:07:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
>
> I think the complaints I read back when it was first introduced focused on
> two things – driver positioned in the center, and no sleeper cab.
>
>
>
> Supposedly with the driver in the center, it makes it difficult to pass
> paperwork out the window at weigh stations and depots, or to access
> touchscreen kiosks.  Also can’t stick your head out the window to look
> behind when backing up.
>
>
>
> No place to put a bed, and passenger seat is behind the driver not next to.
>
>
>
> Probably minor complaints that can be addressed by companies like Pepsi or
> DHL that set their own procedures.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 1:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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>
>
>
> I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by
> Pepsico execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers
> absolutely love them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost
> effortless, and the lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers
> who were interviewed, they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.
>
> Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles
> driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists,
> doesn’t it?
>
>
>
> I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never
> talked to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be
> driverless.
>
>
>
> Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far
> as the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla
> talks the talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count
> for more than glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will
> probably beat them all at the driverless taxi game.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
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> *To:* A

[AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck]

50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West 
coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.  
So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved 
it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.  
Two big thumbs up.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Bill Prince]

Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck  wrote:

>
> 50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West
> coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent
> episode.  So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the
> movie.  Loved it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before
> watching the movie.  Two big thumbs up.
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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Robert]

Pepsi is the first company using them and wants more, a lot more.   
Truck drivers that get to drive them for work love them.   Driving one 
over the most common long route is over the Truckee summit and the 
drivers love them over their old trucks.


The worst part of driving our RV ( 40K Lbs ) is downhill more than 5-6% 
without enough exhaust break ( designed that way ).   Driving downhill 
with an EV is trivial.  That is one of the most loved parts of driving a 
Tesla Semi.   Massive torque and massive electrical breaking.


On 10/11/24 11:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Tesla Semi is shipping. The people driving them love them, but of 
course they would. Normal truck drivers shit all over it, but they're 
more of the roll coal mindset, so anything electric is garbage to them.




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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
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*Sent: *Friday, October 11, 2024 12:36:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, 
doesn’t it?


I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never 
talked to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them 
be driverless.


Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As 
far as the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while 
Tesla talks the talk. Millions of miles of experience on the road 
probably count for more than glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the 
Chinese will probably beat them all at the driverless taxi game.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

Who among us thinks that's a good idea?

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck]

Saturday Night’s Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck  wrote:
50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.  So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.  Two big thumbs up.

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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Robert]

The route over the sierras gives them back 20-30% of charge lost 
climbing the mountains.   They are used base to base for recharging with 
special location chargers.   They do the route as fast as a regular 
diesel including charging because of the type of routes they are used for.


On 10/11/24 12:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
No. They do a charge. I think they can use superchargers, but (I 
think) there is an even higher capacity charger specific to the Tesla 
Semi.


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I presume they do a battery swap rather than a charge?
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was
mainly by Pepsico execs and actual semi drivers. From the review,
the drivers absolutely love them. The huge torque makes
mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the lack of noise
and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed,
they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.
Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of)
million miles driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already
exists, doesn’t it?

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have
never talked to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent
is to have them be driverless.

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid
Cybertruck.  As far as the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been
walking the walk while Tesla talks the talk. Millions of miles
of experience on the road probably count for more than glitzy
demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will probably beat
them all at the driverless taxi game.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

Who among us thinks that's a good idea?

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck]

I guess it was 59 years ago tonight.  1975Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Chuck  wrote:Saturday Night’s Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck  wrote:
50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the West coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent episode.  So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the movie.  Loved it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before watching the movie.  Two big thumbs up.

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[AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Ken Hohhof]

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-i
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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Bill Prince]

Who among us thinks that's a good idea?
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy
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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Bill Prince]

I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by
Pepsico execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers
absolutely love them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost
effortless, and the lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers
who were interviewed, they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.
Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists,
> doesn’t it?
>
>
>
> I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never
> talked to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be
> driverless.
>
>
>
> Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far
> as the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla
> talks the talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count
> for more than glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will
> probably beat them all at the driverless taxi game.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
>
>
>
> Who among us thinks that's a good idea?
>
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>
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>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy
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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Bill Prince]

OK. Some of my numbers were pure horse shit, but I had some of the basic
jist.

https://electrek.co/2024/09/18/tesla-semi-partner-pepsico-says-electric-truck-helps-with-driver-retention/
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 12:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The semis aren’t sleeper cabs so probably they just recharge them at the
> Pepsi terminal overnight?
>
>
>
> Article said the robo taxis and vans would use inductive charging so no
> cord needed.  I guess like the Roombas that park themselves at a charging
> station?  The cars can drive themselves, but not get out and plug in a
> charging cord.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
>
>
>
> I presume they do a battery swap rather than a charge?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:31 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
>
>
>
> I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by
> Pepsico execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers
> absolutely love them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost
> effortless, and the lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers
> who were interviewed, they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.
>
> Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles
> driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists,
> doesn’t it?
>
>
>
> I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never
> talked to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be
> driverless.
>
>
>
> Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far
> as the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla
> talks the talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count
> for more than glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will
> probably beat them all at the driverless taxi game.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
>
>
>
> Who among us thinks that's a good idea?
>
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> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Ken Hohhof]

Regenerative braking instead of engine braking would be a big improvement.  As 
would more torque for up hills or just getting up to speed.  And I imagine an 
electric semi would be a lot more pleasant to drive when stopped in traffic or 
just inching along.

 

I know a farmer just went through getting his CDL to drive the family grain 
truck, still needs to pass the manual transmission test because the test site 
didn’t have any but that’s what the farm owns.

 

I wonder if you need a special CDL to drive an electric semi, or if it’s the 
same as a diesel with an automatic.

 

Someone just the other day was explaining to me that the loud engine braking on 
a big diesel isn’t the same as on my 6 speed manual car.  Apparently there’s 
something called a “Jake Brake”.  OK, I would have guessed that was the name of 
a porn star.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 3:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

Yeah, there are a lot of super truckers out there that think that if a truck 
can't be used for cross-continent trips, it's junk. The Tesla semi simply isn't 
meant for trips that need a sleeper.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 2:07:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

I think the complaints I read back when it was first introduced focused on two 
things – driver positioned in the center, and no sleeper cab.

 

Supposedly with the driver in the center, it makes it difficult to pass 
paperwork out the window at weigh stations and depots, or to access touchscreen 
kiosks.  Also can’t stick your head out the window to look behind when backing 
up.

 

No place to put a bed, and passenger seat is behind the driver not next to.

 

Probably minor complaints that can be addressed by companies like Pepsi or DHL 
that set their own procedures.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by Pepsico 
execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers absolutely love 
them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the 
lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed, 
they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.

Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles 
driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.




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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it?

 

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to 
an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless.

 

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

Who among us thinks that's a good idea?


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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Mike Hammett]

Yeah, there are a lot of super truckers out there that think that if a truck 
can't be used for cross-continent trips, it's junk. The Tesla semi simply isn't 
meant for trips that need a sleeper. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 2:07:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 



I think the complaints I read back when it was first introduced focused on two 
things – driver positioned in the center, and no sleeper cab. 

Supposedly with the driver in the center, it makes it difficult to pass 
paperwork out the window at weigh stations and depots, or to access touchscreen 
kiosks. Also can’t stick your head out the window to look behind when backing 
up. 

No place to put a bed, and passenger seat is behind the driver not next to. 

Probably minor complaints that can be addressed by companies like Pepsi or DHL 
that set their own procedures. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 1:32 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 


I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by Pepsico 
execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers absolutely love 
them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the 
lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed, 
they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel. 

Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles 
driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more. 








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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: 





How is the Tesla Semi doing? Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it? 

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to 
an actual semi driver. But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless. 

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck. As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk. Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype. But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 


Who among us thinks that's a good idea? 






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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: 





Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains. 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Chuck]

Jake brakes shut down some of the valves to create more forceful engine braking.  Those are the noisy ones.  There are also retarders that are essentially hydraulic pumps pumping into a dummy load.  Always good to have brake options.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2024, at 3:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:Regenerative braking instead of engine braking would be a big improvement.  As would more torque for up hills or just getting up to speed.  And I imagine an electric semi would be a lot more pleasant to drive when stopped in traffic or just inching along. I know a farmer just went through getting his CDL to drive the family grain truck, still needs to pass the manual transmission test because the test site didn’t have any but that’s what the farm owns. I wonder if you need a special CDL to drive an electric semi, or if it’s the same as a diesel with an automatic. Someone just the other day was explaining to me that the loud engine braking on a big diesel isn’t the same as on my 6 speed manual car.  Apparently there’s something called a “Jake Brake”.  OK, I would have guessed that was the name of a porn star. From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike HammettSent: Friday, October 11, 2024 3:43 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan Yeah, there are a lot of super truckers out there that think that if a truck can't be used for cross-continent trips, it's junk. The Tesla semi simply isn't meant for trips that need a sleeper.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISPFrom: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 2:07:21 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco RobovanI think the complaints I read back when it was first introduced focused on two things – driver positioned in the center, and no sleeper cab. Supposedly with the driver in the center, it makes it difficult to pass paperwork out the window at weigh stations and depots, or to access touchscreen kiosks.  Also can’t stick your head out the window to look behind when backing up. No place to put a bed, and passenger seat is behind the driver not next to. Probably minor complaints that can be addressed by companies like Pepsi or DHL that set their own procedures. From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill PrinceSent: Friday, October 11, 2024 1:32 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by Pepsico execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers absolutely love them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed, they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com  On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it? I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless. Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far as the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at the driverless taxi game. From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill PrinceSent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan Who among us thinks that's a good idea?--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com  On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

[Bill Prince]

Maybe just assume that it's 100% BS, and then you won't be influenced by
anything but your own (BS).

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I got an email about reading maps backward, but it turned out to be spam.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Adam Moffett"
> Sent: 10/11/2024 5:08:01 AM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather
>
> Haha yeah, maybe that’s the beginning of the end.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> *From:* AF  on behalf of Robert <
> i...@avantwireless.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:38:38 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather
>
> I figured we were lost way back when when we tried to get the "spam" tag
> forced into email headers and the congresspeople of the state of california
> passed a law forbidding it.   They were worried that election propaganda
> would meet the definition of spam...
>
> That was the last attempt to make the internet reasonable...
>
> On 10/10/24 2:23 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> There are people who see the changes and have concluded that it’s weather
> control by the government.  A certain congresswoman made statements about
> the hurricanes hitting southern red states in the month before the
> election.  Then she clarified that yes she means weather control.  Then she
> doubled down that yes, obviously “they” can control the weather and that
> it’s a ridiculous lie to say it can’t be done.   I’m unclear on how
> proponents of this idea imagine a Hurricane would impact elections.  It
> reminds me of the Southpark underpants gnomes.
>
> Deep State Gnomes Plan to Win Election:
>
> 1. Cause hurricanes in red states.
>
> 2. 
>
> 3. Win!
>
>
>
> I would like to believe it’s a tiny number of crackpots, but I don’t think
> it’s that simple.  I’m scared for the future because everyone has access to
> so much information and so much of it is bullshit.  If I’m exposed to 1000
> incorrect ideas and I accept one of them, then I now believe in an
> incorrect idea, and that incorrect idea will affect how I live my life
> –including how I vote.  I can look at 999 other incorrect ideas and still
> feel like I’m a discerning and intelligent consumer because I successfully
> recognized them all as bullshit.   So a person can believe the moon landing
> was fake, and they know they’re not the stupid one because they’re a smart
> person.  They did research and got the information, and they’re not some
> idiot who’s fooled by complete nonsense like “NOAA creates hurricanes” and
> “lizard people secretly run the world”.
>
>
>
> I’ve been using the really crazy examples, but all of our political
> opinions are being shaped by ideas being fed to us through all manner of
> media.  Odds are that every single one of us has absorbed some bullshit.
>
>
>
> We may have to burn down the whole Internet for our own good.  We are not
> ready for this power.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2024 2:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather
>
>
>
> I am guessing those that want to deny everything will also deny centuries
> of weather observation data...  Many, perhaps most,  resist paradigm
> change.
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 12:18 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather
>
>
>
> Come explain this to my whole family, please.  I’ll invite you to
> Thanksgiving dinner.
>
>
>
>
>
> “Here is another fact:  All the records indicate a non linear increase in
> temperatures.
>
>
>
> So circle back to the beginning, warmer air == more moisture in the air.
> More moisture in the air makes clouds which make storms and rain.
>
>
>
> Occam's Razor.
>
> “
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2024 11:20 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Weather
>
>
>
> I have many friends and acquaintances that love them a good conspiracy
> theory.  I am not given to any conspiracies.
>
>
>
> Today the subject was HAARP.  (Defunct research project to attempt
> ionospheric heating).   I was actually tangentially associated with HAARP
> for a while.
>
>
>
> Being a life long ham the prospect of creating a patch of ionosphere that
> could reflect HF signals any time of the day or night was very exciting.
> The problem is, it never worked.  They learned a whole bunch about the
> upper atmosphere but the initial promise never worked out.  But wow, is
> there a group believing that the guvmnt can control the weather.  Yes, they
> can with cloud seeding etc but not with HAARP.  And control is not really a
> good word, more like influence.
>
>
>
> I try to speak reason, share some facts, always falls on deaf ears.
>
> HAARP was heating the ionosphere.  There ain’t no weather up

Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Ok, that’s funny!Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 11, 2024, at 7:14 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:I got an email about reading maps backward, but it turned out to be spam. Original Message From: "Adam Moffett" Sent: 10/11/2024 5:08:01 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather





Haha yeah, maybe that’s the beginning of the end.




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From: AF  on behalf of Robert 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:38:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather
 

I figured we were lost way back when when we tried to get the "spam" tag forced into email headers and the congresspeople of the state of california passed a law forbidding it.   They were worried that election propaganda would meet
 the definition of spam...  

That was the last attempt to make the internet reasonable...

On 10/10/24 2:23 PM, 
dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:







There are people who see the changes and have concluded that it’s weather control by the government.  A certain congresswoman made statements about the hurricanes hitting southern red states in the month
 before the election.  Then she clarified that yes she means weather control.  Then she doubled down that yes, obviously “they” can control the weather and that it’s a ridiculous lie to say it can’t be done.   I’m unclear on how proponents of this idea imagine
 a Hurricane would impact elections.  It reminds me of the Southpark underpants gnomes.

Deep State Gnomes Plan to Win Election:
1. Cause hurricanes in red states.
2. 
3. Win!
 
I would like to believe it’s a tiny number of crackpots, but I don’t think it’s that simple.  I’m scared for the future because everyone has access to so much information and so much of it is bullshit. 
 If I’m exposed to 1000 incorrect ideas and I accept one of them, then I now believe in an incorrect idea, and that incorrect idea will affect how I live my life –including how I vote.  I can look at 999 other incorrect ideas and still feel like I’m a discerning
 and intelligent consumer because I successfully recognized them all as bullshit.   So a person can believe the moon landing was fake, and they know they’re not the stupid one because they’re a smart person.  They did research and got the information, and they’re
 not some idiot who’s fooled by complete nonsense like “NOAA creates hurricanes” and “lizard people secretly run the world”. 

 
I’ve been using the really crazy examples, but all of our political opinions are being shaped by ideas being fed to us through all manner of media.  Odds are that every single one of us has absorbed some
 bullshit.  
 
We may have to burn down the whole Internet for our own good.  We are not ready for this power.

 
-Adam
 
 
 


From: AF

On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 2:53 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather


 




I am guessing those that want to deny everything will also deny centuries of weather observation data...  Many, perhaps most,  resist paradigm change. 





 




From:
dmmoff...@gmail.com





Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 12:18
 PM


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather




 



Come explain this to my whole family, please.  I’ll invite you to Thanksgiving dinner.
 
 
“Here is another fact:  All the records indicate a non linear increase in temperatures. 

 
So circle back to the beginning, warmer air == more moisture in the air.  More moisture in the air makes clouds which make storms and rain. 

 
Occam's Razor. 

“
 


From: AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Weather


 



I have many friends and acquaintances that love them a good conspiracy theory.  I am not given to any conspiracies.   



 


Today the subject was HAARP.  (Defunct research project to attempt ionospheric heating).   I was actually tangentially associated with HAARP for a while. 



 


Being a life long ham the prospect of creating a patch of ionosphere that could reflect HF signals any time of the day or night was very exciting.  The problem
 is, it never worked.  They learned a whole bunch about the upper atmosphere but the initial promise never worked out.  But wow, is there a group believing that the guvmnt can control the weather.  Yes, they can with cloud seeding etc but not with HAARP.  And
 control is not really a good word, more like influence.  


 


I try to speak reason, share some facts, always falls on deaf ears. 



HAARP was heating the ionosphere.  There ain’t no weather up there.


Weather is in the troposphere.


Troposcatter can inject a bit of energy in the troposphere but it is 100 times higher frequencies and produces no noticeable increase in temperature. 



 


Here is a fact: Warmer air can hold more moisture.  Something like 7% per degree.  Do

Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Ken Hohhof]

How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it?

 

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to 
an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless.

 

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

Who among us thinks that's a good idea?


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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Mike Hammett]

Tesla Semi is shipping. The people driving them love them, but of course they 
would. Normal truck drivers shit all over it, but they're more of the roll coal 
mindset, so anything electric is garbage to them. 




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From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:36:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan 



How is the Tesla Semi doing? Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it? 

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to 
an actual semi driver. But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless. 

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck. As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk. Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype. But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game. 


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Who among us thinks that's a good idea? 






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Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains. 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[chuck]

I presume they do a battery swap rather than a charge?



From: Bill Prince 
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I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by Pepsico 
execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers absolutely love 
them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the 
lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed, 
they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel. 
Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles 
driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t 
it?



  I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked 
to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless.



  Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
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  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan



  Who among us thinks that's a good idea?


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  On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy



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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Bill Prince]

No. They do a charge. I think they can use superchargers, but (I think)
there is an even higher capacity charger specific to the Tesla Semi.

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 11:54 AM  wrote:

> I presume they do a battery swap rather than a charge?
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:31 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
>
> I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by
> Pepsico execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers
> absolutely love them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost
> effortless, and the lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers
> who were interviewed, they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.
> Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles
> driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.
>
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>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists,
>> doesn’t it?
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never
>> talked to an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be
>> driverless.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As
>> far as the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla
>> talks the talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count
>> for more than glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will
>> probably beat them all at the driverless taxi game.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan
>>
>>
>>
>> Who among us thinks that's a good idea?
>>
>> --
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>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.
>>
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy
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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Ken Hohhof]

I think the complaints I read back when it was first introduced focused on two 
things – driver positioned in the center, and no sleeper cab.

 

Supposedly with the driver in the center, it makes it difficult to pass 
paperwork out the window at weigh stations and depots, or to access touchscreen 
kiosks.  Also can’t stick your head out the window to look behind when backing 
up.

 

No place to put a bed, and passenger seat is behind the driver not next to.

 

Probably minor complaints that can be addressed by companies like Pepsi or DHL 
that set their own procedures.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by Pepsico 
execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers absolutely love 
them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the 
lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed, 
they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel.

Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles 
driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.




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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it?

 

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to 
an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless.

 

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

Who among us thinks that's a good idea?


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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

[Ken Hohhof]

The semis aren’t sleeper cabs so probably they just recharge them at the Pepsi 
terminal overnight?

 

Article said the robo taxis and vans would use inductive charging so no cord 
needed.  I guess like the Roombas that park themselves at a charging station?  
The cars can drive themselves, but not get out and plug in a charging cord.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

I presume they do a battery swap rather than a charge?

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:31 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

I just read a review of the Tesla Semi the other day. It was mainly by Pepsico 
execs and actual semi drivers. From the review, the drivers absolutely love 
them. The huge torque makes mountain/hill climbing almost effortless, and the 
lack of noise and stink is a major plus. Of the drivers who were interviewed, 
they all said they never wanted to go back to diesel. 

Pepsico has something like 50 deployed with (some number of) million miles 
driven, and they said they wanted to get 50 more.

 

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:37 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

How is the Tesla Semi doing?  Unlike the Robovan, it already exists, doesn’t it?

 

I remember a review early on that said the designers must have never talked to 
an actual semi driver.  But maybe the intent is to have them be driverless.

 

Robovan seems like a better idea to me than the stupid Cybertruck.  As far as 
the taxi, it seems to me Waymo has been walking the walk while Tesla talks the 
talk.  Millions of miles of experience on the road probably count for more than 
glitzy demos and hype.  But honestly the Chinese will probably beat them all at 
the driverless taxi game.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Art Deco Robovan

 

Who among us thinks that's a good idea?


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On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:08 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Elon says it was inspired by NY Central Art Deco steam trains.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-reveals-the-art-deco-design-inspiration-behind-tesla-s-robovan/ar-AA1s6QJy

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck Macenski]

49

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:44 PM Chuck  wrote:

> I guess it was 59 years ago tonight.  1975
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Chuck  wrote:
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> Saturday Night’s
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 11, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
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> 
> Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?
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> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck  wrote:
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>>
>> 50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the
>> West coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent
>> episode.  So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the
>> movie.  Loved it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before
>> watching the movie.  Two big thumbs up.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck Macenski]

I am getting a little touchy about anything that reminds me how old I am.
It seems like adding another 10 years was a trigger.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:31 PM Chuck  wrote:

> Can’t do arithmetic, 49 years.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Chuck  wrote:
>
> I guess it was 59 years ago tonight.  1975
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Chuck  wrote:
>
> Saturday Night’s
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
> Uh... Am I missing the name of the movie or something?
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> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:57 PM Chuck  wrote:
>
>>
>> 50 years tonight I watched a new TV show.  Real time , (taped for the
>> West coast) linear (gasp).  And I have probably watched every subsequent
>> episode.  So a bit of a fan but it does stink most of the time.  Saw the
>> movie.  Loved it.  I would suggest you watch the first episode before
>> watching the movie.  Two big thumbs up.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

[Adam Moffett]

A relationship between beliefs and political views would be a self reinforcing 
cycle.  My parents, family, and friends set the initial patterns in my brain.  
I’m more likely to believe things that fit the existing pattern.  I’m more 
likely to vote for people who express ideas I believe.  Seems intuitive.

I didn’t think I was giving people any credit at all, except in the ratio of 
believing 1 wrong idea per thousand.  That’s an appeal to everyone’s conceit.  
I doubt anyone is actually that good, but nobody would want to accept that 60% 
of their knowledge of the world is wrong even if there was proof in front of 
their noses.  We all think we’re right, but given the rather drastic 
differences in points of view I think it’s likely that most of us are somewhat 
wrong and some of us are mostly wrong, and we all think it’s the other guy 
who’s mostly wrong.

My point is that, while fact must exist, our information feed is so polluted 
that it’s incredibly laborious to determine what’s actually a fact.  We’d be 
better off with no information than a continuous stream of conflicting 
information, hence burn the internet.

In my early days of tech support we joked about people needing their internet 
license revoked.  Maybe we keep the internet, but the license is a real thing.  
IETF can create an RFC defining qualifications to post factual content. All RFC 
fact compliant content is delivered with a flag in the IP header.  Non 
compliant content can be filtered or flagged as potentially bullshit.  This is 
an Orwellian sounding idea, but maybe something developed by a collaborative 
group like the IETF would be better than something like the Great Firewall of 
China.  Or maybe it will just politicize IETF membership.  One way or another 
we have to cut down the flat earth, artificial hurricane, and other nonsense 
because unfortunately if it’s out there some people will inevitably believe it. 
 If we can’t control this monster we created then maybe we just have to kill it.



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From: AF  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 9:24:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

you have too much faith in people. and attribute too much to their political 
leanings.

over half the country believes you can shoot people in the leg

over half the people believe DNA results are a same day thing

over half the people believe a bunch of dumb shit pop culture led them to 
believe.

weather can be manipulated, that's only in question by morons, the extent of 
which it can be done is debatable. it's a certainty that it is more than we are 
told, but less than we imagine. steering hurricanes isn't even in the realm of 
possible, but our global governments have proven time and again they are worthy 
of zero trust.

hurricanes in red states, have massive political power, less red voters, less 
red popular vote (a huge thing to the blue), less voting infrastructure in 
place, less oversite and more mail in/absentee voting, better change for a blue 
wave, both very legitimate tools, and powerful, but those hurricanes were 
natural



On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 4:28 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

There are people who see the changes and have concluded that it’s weather 
control by the government.  A certain congresswoman made statements about the 
hurricanes hitting southern red states in the month before the election.  Then 
she clarified that yes she means weather control.  Then she doubled down that 
yes, obviously “they” can control the weather and that it’s a ridiculous lie to 
say it can’t be done.   I’m unclear on how proponents of this idea imagine a 
Hurricane would impact elections.  It reminds me of the Southpark underpants 
gnomes.

Deep State Gnomes Plan to Win Election:

1. Cause hurricanes in red states.

2. 

3. Win!



I would like to believe it’s a tiny number of crackpots, but I don’t think it’s 
that simple.  I’m scared for the future because everyone has access to so much 
information and so much of it is bullshit.  If I’m exposed to 1000 incorrect 
ideas and I accept one of them, then I now believe in an incorrect idea, and 
that incorrect idea will affect how I live my life –including how I vote.  I 
can look at 999 other incorrect ideas and still feel like I’m a discerning and 
intelligent consumer because I successfully recognized them all as bullshit.   
So a person can believe the moon landing was fake, and they know they’re not 
the stupid one because they’re a smart person.  They did research and got the 
information, and they’re not some idiot who’s fooled by complete nonsense like 
“NOAA creates hurricanes” and “lizard people secretly run the world”.



I’ve been using the really crazy examples, but all of our political opinions 
are being shaped by ideas being fed to us through all manner of media.  Odds 
are that every single one of us has absorbed some bulls

Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

[Adam Moffett]

Haha yeah, maybe that’s the beginning of the end.

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From: AF  on behalf of Robert 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:38:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

I figured we were lost way back when when we tried to get the "spam" tag forced 
into email headers and the congresspeople of the state of california passed a 
law forbidding it.   They were worried that election propaganda would meet the 
definition of spam...

That was the last attempt to make the internet reasonable...

On 10/10/24 2:23 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

There are people who see the changes and have concluded that it’s weather 
control by the government.  A certain congresswoman made statements about the 
hurricanes hitting southern red states in the month before the election.  Then 
she clarified that yes she means weather control.  Then she doubled down that 
yes, obviously “they” can control the weather and that it’s a ridiculous lie to 
say it can’t be done.   I’m unclear on how proponents of this idea imagine a 
Hurricane would impact elections.  It reminds me of the Southpark underpants 
gnomes.

Deep State Gnomes Plan to Win Election:

1. Cause hurricanes in red states.

2. 

3. Win!



I would like to believe it’s a tiny number of crackpots, but I don’t think it’s 
that simple.  I’m scared for the future because everyone has access to so much 
information and so much of it is bullshit.  If I’m exposed to 1000 incorrect 
ideas and I accept one of them, then I now believe in an incorrect idea, and 
that incorrect idea will affect how I live my life –including how I vote.  I 
can look at 999 other incorrect ideas and still feel like I’m a discerning and 
intelligent consumer because I successfully recognized them all as bullshit.   
So a person can believe the moon landing was fake, and they know they’re not 
the stupid one because they’re a smart person.  They did research and got the 
information, and they’re not some idiot who’s fooled by complete nonsense like 
“NOAA creates hurricanes” and “lizard people secretly run the world”.



I’ve been using the really crazy examples, but all of our political opinions 
are being shaped by ideas being fed to us through all manner of media.  Odds 
are that every single one of us has absorbed some bullshit.



We may have to burn down the whole Internet for our own good.  We are not ready 
for this power.



-Adam







From: AF  On Behalf Of 
ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 2:53 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather



I am guessing those that want to deny everything will also deny centuries of 
weather observation data...  Many, perhaps most,  resist paradigm change.



From: dmmoff...@gmail.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 12:18 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather



Come explain this to my whole family, please.  I’ll invite you to Thanksgiving 
dinner.





“Here is another fact:  All the records indicate a non linear increase in 
temperatures.



So circle back to the beginning, warmer air == more moisture in the air.  More 
moisture in the air makes clouds which make storms and rain.



Occam's Razor.

“



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Weather



I have many friends and acquaintances that love them a good conspiracy theory.  
I am not given to any conspiracies.



Today the subject was HAARP.  (Defunct research project to attempt ionospheric 
heating).   I was actually tangentially associated with HAARP for a while.



Being a life long ham the prospect of creating a patch of ionosphere that could 
reflect HF signals any time of the day or night was very exciting.  The problem 
is, it never worked.  They learned a whole bunch about the upper atmosphere but 
the initial promise never worked out.  But wow, is there a group believing that 
the guvmnt can control the weather.  Yes, they can with cloud seeding etc but 
not with HAARP.  And control is not really a good word, more like influence.



I try to speak reason, share some facts, always falls on deaf ears.

HAARP was heating the ionosphere.  There ain’t no weather up there.

Weather is in the troposphere.

Troposcatter can inject a bit of energy in the troposphere but it is 100 times 
higher frequencies and produces no noticeable increase in temperature.



Here is a fact: Warmer air can hold more moisture.  Something like 7% per 
degree.  Don’t recall if that was F or C.



If you could selectively and effectively heat the atmosphere with something 
like radiowaves interesting things could happen.  Even nefarious things.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

[Ken Hohhof]

I got an email about reading maps backward, but it turned out to be spam. 
Original Message From: "Adam Moffett" Sent: 10/11/2024 5:08:01 AMTo: 
"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather





Haha yeah, maybe that?s the beginning of the end.




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From: AF  on behalf of Robert 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:38:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather
?

I figured we were lost way back when when we tried to get the "spam" tag forced 
into email headers and the congresspeople of the state of california passed a 
law forbidding it.?? They were worried that election propaganda would meet
 the definition of spam...? 

That was the last attempt to make the internet reasonable...

On 10/10/24 2:23 PM, 
dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:







There are people who see the changes and have concluded that it?s weather 
control by the government.? A certain congresswoman made statements about the 
hurricanes hitting southern red states in the month
 before the election.? Then she clarified that yes she means weather control.? 
Then she doubled down that yes, obviously ?they? can control the weather and 
that it?s a ridiculous lie to say it can?t be done.?? I?m unclear on how 
proponents of this idea imagine
 a Hurricane would impact elections.? It reminds me of the Southpark underpants 
gnomes.

Deep State Gnomes Plan to Win Election:
1. Cause hurricanes in red states.
2. 
3. Win!
?
I would like to believe it?s a tiny number of crackpots, but I don?t think it?s 
that simple.? I?m scared for the future because everyone has access to so much 
information and so much of it is bullshit.?
 If I?m exposed to 1000 incorrect ideas and I accept one of them, then I now 
believe in an incorrect idea, and that incorrect idea will affect how I live my 
life ?including how I vote.? I can look at 999 other incorrect ideas and still 
feel like I?m a discerning
 and intelligent consumer because I successfully recognized them all as 
bullshit.? ?So a person can believe the moon landing was fake, and they know 
they?re not the stupid one because they?re a smart person.? They did research 
and got the information, and they?re
 not some idiot who?s fooled by complete nonsense like ?NOAA creates 
hurricanes? and ?lizard people secretly run the world?.?

?
I?ve been using the really crazy examples, but all of our political opinions 
are being shaped by ideas being fed to us through all manner of media.? Odds 
are that every single one of us has absorbed some
 bullshit.? 
?
We may have to burn down the whole Internet for our own good.? We are not ready 
for this power.

?
-Adam
?
?
?


From: AF

On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 2:53 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather


?




I am guessing those that want to deny everything will also deny centuries of 
weather observation data...? Many, perhaps most,? resist paradigm change.?





?




From:
dmmoff...@gmail.com





Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 12:18
 PM


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather




?



Come explain this to my whole family, please.? I?ll invite you to Thanksgiving 
dinner.
?
?
?Here is another fact:? All the records indicate a non linear increase in 
temperatures.?

?
So circle back to the beginning, warmer air == more moisture in the air.? More 
moisture in the air makes clouds which make storms and rain.?

?
Occam's Razor.?

?
?


From: AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Weather


?



I have many friends and acquaintances that love them a good conspiracy theory.? 
I am not given to any conspiracies.???



?


Today the subject was HAARP.? (Defunct research project to attempt ionospheric 
heating).?? I was actually tangentially associated with HAARP for a while.?



?


Being a life long ham the prospect of creating a patch of ionosphere that could 
reflect HF signals any time of the day or night was very exciting.? The problem
 is, it never worked.? They learned a whole bunch about the upper atmosphere 
but the initial promise never worked out.? But wow, is there a group believing 
that the guvmnt can control the weather.? Yes, they can with cloud seeding etc 
but not with HAARP.? And
 control is not really a good word, more like influence.? 


?


I try to speak reason, share some facts, always falls on deaf ears.?



HAARP was heating the ionosphere.? There ain?t no weather up there.


Weather is in the troposphere.


Troposcatter can inject a bit of energy in the troposphere but it is 100 times 
higher frequencies and produces no noticeable increase in temperature.?



?


Here is a fact: Warmer air can hold more moisture.? Something like 7% per 
degree.? Don?t recall if that was F or C.?



?


If you could selectively and effectively heat the atmosphere with something 
like radiowaves interesting things cou