Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage

[Mike Hammett]

Sorry, I read it wrong. 




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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:52:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 


Potentially over 100 GB. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:37:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 

17G tonight versus 15G normally. A couple of big game updates out today. 


Mark 





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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 
Andreas, 

We are actually running lower than usual tonight. Almost by 50%, odd... 

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Anyone seen an unusual spike in usage tonight? We are using almost 
1Gbps more than usual. Just seeing if I’m the only one… It’s really strange. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage

[Mike Hammett]

TBW reported on it two days ago. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Andreas Wiatowski"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:14:27 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 



Anyone seen an unusual spike in usage tonight? We are using almost 1Gbps more 
than usual. Just seeing if I’m the only one… It’s really strange. 
Internet. ​ 
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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage

[Mike Hammett]

Potentially over 100 GB. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:37:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 

17G tonight versus 15G normally. A couple of big game updates out today. 


Mark 





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wrote: 

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 
Andreas, 

We are actually running lower than usual tonight. Almost by 50%, odd... 

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www.Myakka.com 

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 Internet. ​ 
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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* They're pushing everyone to IXes. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:53:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 

My on-net Akamai cluster has been 4-6Gbps today.. and funny enough Akamai sends 
me an email this afternoon saying they’re going to decommission the cluster 
we’ve had for 20 years. “Lack of demand”.. uh huh. I guess the new baseline is 
10Gbps average from them. :( 












On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski < andr...@silo.ca > wrote: 



Thanks all, you are likely right if it a major game update. 

Appreciate it! Mark is likely getting lower bandwidth because he is in the 
retirement state. ;.> 

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From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Mark Radabaugh < 
m...@amplex.net > 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 9:38 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 


[EXTERNAL] 

17G tonight versus 15G normally. A couple of big game updates out today. 



Mark 







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wrote: 



Andreas, 

We are actually running lower than usual tonight. Almost by 50%, odd... 

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than usual. Just seeing if I’m the only one… It’s really strange. 
 
Internet. ​ 
​ Phone. 
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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Adam Moffett]

I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd stays 
employed by not admitting when they don't know something. Always hit the 
client or boss with techno babble and they'll think you're smart, 
meanwhile failure to admit that their inferences have no underlying 
factual basis prevents them from actually growing.  The worst part is I 
think most of them actually believe their own BS. 


If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be disappointed.  
It does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as a switch and has 
clear and well advertised limits on CPU and memory.  It's handy for that 
one time in 20 when you need your switch to also run an IP tunnel or 
provide a DHCP relay or some such


That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you disable 
connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though because you can 
actually crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of traffic and connection 
tracking turned on.  Those have 16GB of RAM and appear to be in no 
danger of running out of RAM when they die.  We could only guess why.  
In any case if you don't need NAT or Mangle rules then you can safely 
disable connection tracking with no ill effects.  As you say, that might 
be worth a try on those 4011's.



On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with one 
Ethernet port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of problem on 
that model.  And mine are outdoors in uncontrolled environments.  
Well, except for one at my office.


One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization (like 
graphing via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went from using 
Linux computers as routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS series.  He 
has his own /24 and gets portscanned like crazy and has connection 
tracking on. He complains that his Mikrotiks keep having to be 
rebooted or netinstalled and he has all sorts of crazy explanations, 
but I’m convinced he is just running out of memory due to his 
conntrack table filling up.  Not my problem though, so I’ve avoided 
getting sucked into it.


2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have somewhere 
around 1 – 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller routers in my 
network like 493G and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM running low, but just 
tossing it out as a possibility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with those so 
they should "just work" forever.


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM > wrote:


We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .

-Original Message-
From: Darren Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a
problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle
it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for
this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power
cycle. They
were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing
out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
Winbox or MACNeighbor.

One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45. Both of them were doing
NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these
locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.
Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both
routers that have been installed for months. One router lockup I can
attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has
any one
else noticed anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage

[Erich Kaiser]

They are pushing everyone to PNIs not IXs they have taken routes off IXs.


Erich Kaiser





On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:54 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> *nods* They're pushing everyone to IXes.
>
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> *From: *"Cassidy B. Larson" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:53:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage
>
> My on-net Akamai cluster has been 4-6Gbps today.. and funny enough Akamai
> sends me an email this afternoon saying they’re going to decommission the
> cluster we’ve had for 20 years.  “Lack of demand”.. uh huh.  I guess the
> new baseline is 10Gbps average from them. :(
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski  wrote:
>
> Thanks all, you are likely right if it a major game update.
>
> Appreciate it!  Mark is likely getting lower bandwidth because he is in
> the retirement state. ;.>
>
> 
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> 
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> 
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <
> m...@amplex.net>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 9:38 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage
>
> [EXTERNAL]
> 17G tonight versus 15G normally.   A couple of big game updates out today.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
>
> Andreas,
>
> We are actually running lower than usual tonight.  Almost by 50%, odd...
>
> --
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> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com 
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> Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 9:14:27 PM, you wrote:
> Anyone seen an unusual spike in usage tonight?  We are using almost 1Gbps
> more than usual.  Just seeing if I’m the only one… It’s really strange.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage

[Mike Hammett]

Both may be true (and I assume they are). 


As an operator of an IX-hosted Akamai node, I have been in discussions with 
Akamai about capacity planning for the migration of lower volume in-ISP nodes 
onto our IX node. More servers, power and space for more servers, more cache 
fill, etc. 




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From: "Erich Kaiser"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:28:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 



They are pushing everyone to PNIs not IXs they have taken routes off IXs. 











Erich Kaiser 









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*nods* They're pushing everyone to IXes. 




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From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:53:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 

My on-net Akamai cluster has been 4-6Gbps today.. and funny enough Akamai sends 
me an email this afternoon saying they’re going to decommission the cluster 
we’ve had for 20 years. “Lack of demand”.. uh huh. I guess the new baseline is 
10Gbps average from them. :( 












On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski < andr...@silo.ca > wrote: 



Thanks all, you are likely right if it a major game update. 

Appreciate it! Mark is likely getting lower bandwidth because he is in the 
retirement state. ;.> 

   Internet. 
Phone. 
TV. 

Andreas Wiatowski 
CEO/Founder 
Silo 

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silo.ca 

   
   
 

From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Mark Radabaugh < 
m...@amplex.net > 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 9:38 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage 


[EXTERNAL] 

17G tonight versus 15G normally. A couple of big game updates out today. 



Mark 







On Mar 10, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > 
wrote: 



Andreas, 

We are actually running lower than usual tonight. Almost by 50%, odd... 

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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Josh Luthman]

About 3 months ago I had an Rb2011 "lock up" the SFP port.  Changed SFPs,
patch cables, etc.  A simple power cycle fixed it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:24 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd stays
> employed by not admitting when they don't know something.  Always hit the
> client or boss with techno babble and they'll think you're smart, meanwhile
> failure to admit that their inferences have no underlying factual basis
> prevents them from actually growing.  The worst part is I think most of
> them actually believe their own BS. 
>
> If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be disappointed.
> It does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as a switch and has clear
> and well advertised limits on CPU and memory.  It's handy for that one time
> in 20 when you need your switch to also run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP
> relay or some such
>
> That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you disable
> connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though because you can
> actually crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of traffic and connection
> tracking turned on.  Those have 16GB of RAM and appear to be in no danger
> of running out of RAM when they die.  We could only guess why.  In any case
> if you don't need NAT or Mangle rules then you can safely disable
> connection tracking with no ill effects.  As you say, that might be worth a
> try on those 4011's.
>
>
> On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with one
> Ethernet port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of problem on that
> model.  And mine are outdoors in uncontrolled environments.  Well, except
> for one at my office.
>
>
>
> One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization (like
> graphing via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went from using Linux
> computers as routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS series.  He has his
> own /24 and gets portscanned like crazy and has connection tracking on.  He
> complains that his Mikrotiks keep having to be rebooted or netinstalled and
> he has all sorts of crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just
> running out of memory due to his conntrack table filling up.  Not my
> problem though, so I’ve avoided getting sucked into it.
>
>
>
> 2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have somewhere
> around 1 – 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller routers in my
> network like 493G and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM running low, but just
> tossing it out as a possibility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with those so they
> should "just work" forever.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM  wrote:
>
> We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darren Shea
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a problem a
> couple
> times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle it when
> it
> stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for this
> problem, I'd be very interested!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On
> Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They
> were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing
> out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
> Winbox or MACNeighbor.
>
> One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing
> NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these
> locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.
> Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both
> routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can
> attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has any one
> else noticed anything?
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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Adam Moffett]

We have two Cisco 6509's that have been running for probably 15 years.  
We've replaced one faulty power supply, but there was no downtime 
because it was a redundant PSU.  Never rebooted, no "stuck" ports, no 
crashing.  I know they obviously have bugs because there are bug fixes 
listed in their release notes, but somehow I've never had a problem I 
could attribute to a Cisco bug.  I'm guessing the bugs affect corner 
cases and the stuff people do every day is pretty stable.  The only 
problem with Cisco is that Ciscos can be frustrating.  Oh that feature 
only works if you have the /xx /feature pack and the /yy /daughter card 
and IOS version /nn/.


If they made something as reliable as the Cisco, but as easy as the 
Mikrotik then I'd pay serious money for that MoFo.  Like I've got about 
$7 in my wallet right now, and CiscoTik can have all seven of them.


-Adam


On 3/11/2020 10:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
About 3 months ago I had an Rb2011 "lock up" the SFP port.  Changed 
SFPs, patch cables, etc.  A simple power cycle fixed it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:24 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd
stays employed by not admitting when they don't know something. 
Always hit the client or boss with techno babble and they'll think
you're smart, meanwhile failure to admit that their inferences
have no underlying factual basis prevents them from actually
growing.  The worst part is I think most of them actually believe
their own BS. 

If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be
disappointed.  It does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as
a switch and has clear and well advertised limits on CPU and
memory.  It's handy for that one time in 20 when you need your
switch to also run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP relay or some such

That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you
disable connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though
because you can actually crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of
traffic and connection tracking turned on. Those have 16GB of RAM
and appear to be in no danger of running out of RAM when they
die.  We could only guess why.  In any case if you don't need NAT
or Mangle rules then you can safely disable connection tracking
with no ill effects.  As you say, that might be worth a try on
those 4011's.


On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with
one Ethernet port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of
problem on that model.  And mine are outdoors in uncontrolled
environments.  Well, except for one at my office.

One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization
(like graphing via SNMP)? I have a weirdo customer who went from
using Linux computers as routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS
series.  He has his own /24 and gets portscanned like crazy and
has connection tracking on.  He complains that his Mikrotiks keep
having to be rebooted or netinstalled and he has all sorts of
crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just running out of
memory due to his conntrack table filling up.  Not my problem
though, so I’ve avoided getting sucked into it.

2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have
somewhere around 1 – 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller
routers in my network like 493G and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM
running low, but just tossing it out as a possibility.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with
those so they should "just work" forever.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .

-Original Message-
From: Darren Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a
problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can
power-cycle it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w
fix for this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-

Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Nate Burke]

For basic Routing/Queueing Tik seems to work remarkably well for the 
price/power draw.  The more complex the config, the more issues might 
pop up, but I think that's true of anything.  I will admit that the 
Cisco's that I still have in the network just continue to crank along.  
Some of my 3550's have 8 years of uptime.



On 3/11/2020 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


We have two Cisco 6509's that have been running for probably 15 
years.  We've replaced one faulty power supply, but there was no 
downtime because it was a redundant PSU.  Never rebooted, no "stuck" 
ports, no crashing.  I know they obviously have bugs because there are 
bug fixes listed in their release notes, but somehow I've never had a 
problem I could attribute to a Cisco bug.  I'm guessing the bugs 
affect corner cases and the stuff people do every day is pretty 
stable.  The only problem with Cisco is that Ciscos can be 
frustrating.  Oh that feature only works if you have the /xx /feature 
pack and the /yy /daughter card and IOS version /nn/.


If they made something as reliable as the Cisco, but as easy as the 
Mikrotik then I'd pay serious money for that MoFo.  Like I've got 
about $7 in my wallet right now, and CiscoTik can have all seven of them.


-Adam


On 3/11/2020 10:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
About 3 months ago I had an Rb2011 "lock up" the SFP port.  Changed 
SFPs, patch cables, etc.  A simple power cycle fixed it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:24 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd
stays employed by not admitting when they don't know something. 
Always hit the client or boss with techno babble and they'll

think you're smart, meanwhile failure to admit that their
inferences have no underlying factual basis prevents them from
actually growing.  The worst part is I think most of them
actually believe their own BS. 

If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be
disappointed.  It does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as
a switch and has clear and well advertised limits on CPU and
memory.  It's handy for that one time in 20 when you need your
switch to also run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP relay or some such

That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you
disable connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though
because you can actually crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of
traffic and connection tracking turned on.  Those have 16GB of
RAM and appear to be in no danger of running out of RAM when they
die. We could only guess why.  In any case if you don't need NAT
or Mangle rules then you can safely disable connection tracking
with no ill effects.  As you say, that might be worth a try on
those 4011's.


On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with
one Ethernet port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of
problem on that model.  And mine are outdoors in uncontrolled
environments.  Well, except for one at my office.

One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization
(like graphing via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went
from using Linux computers as routers to using Mikrotiks, I
think CRS series.  He has his own /24 and gets portscanned like
crazy and has connection tracking on.  He complains that his
Mikrotiks keep having to be rebooted or netinstalled and he has
all sorts of crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just
running out of memory due to his conntrack table filling up. 
Not my problem though, so I’ve avoided getting sucked into it.


2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have
somewhere around 1 – 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller
routers in my network like 493G and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM
running low, but just tossing it out as a possibility.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with
those so they should "just work" forever.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .

-Original Message-
From: Darren Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: 

[AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

[Nate Burke]

Why isn't there a pkg3 file for every software release?  I'm getting 
ready to change some 1000 Ap's out to 3000 AP's and now I have to 
manually log into and update every SM to bring it to the current version?


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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

[Joe Novak]

cnmaestro is the way of the future...


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:43 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Why isn't there a pkg3 file for every software release?  I'm getting
> ready to change some 1000 Ap's out to 3000 AP's and now I have to
> manually log into and update every SM to bring it to the current version?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

[Nate Burke]

Yes, but I'm not quite there yet.

On 3/11/2020 10:15 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

cnmaestro is the way of the future...


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:43 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


Why isn't there a pkg3 file for every software release?  I'm getting
ready to change some 1000 Ap's out to 3000 AP's and now I have to
manually log into and update every SM to bring it to the current
version?

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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

[chuck]

prism

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

cnmaestro is the way of the future...


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:43 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Why isn't there a pkg3 file for every software release?  I'm getting 
  ready to change some 1000 Ap's out to 3000 AP's and now I have to 
  manually log into and update every SM to bring it to the current version?

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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Ken Hohhof]

CRS125 may be marketed as a “switch”, but CPU and RAM are comparable to several 
RB series “routers”.  I think RB2011 is one of those.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd stays 
employed by not admitting when they don't know something.  Always hit the 
client or boss with techno babble and they'll think you're smart, meanwhile 
failure to admit that their inferences have no underlying factual basis 
prevents them from actually growing.  The worst part is I think most of them 
actually believe their own BS.  

If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be disappointed.  It 
does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as a switch and has clear and well 
advertised limits on CPU and memory.  It's handy for that one time in 20 when 
you need your switch to also run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP relay or some 
such

That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you disable 
connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though because you can actually 
crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of traffic and connection tracking turned 
on.  Those have 16GB of RAM and appear to be in no danger of running out of RAM 
when they die.  We could only guess why.  In any case if you don't need NAT or 
Mangle rules then you can safely disable connection tracking with no ill 
effects.  As you say, that might be worth a try on those 4011's.

 

On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with one Ethernet 
port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of problem on that model.  And mine 
are outdoors in uncontrolled environments.  Well, except for one at my office.

 

One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization (like graphing 
via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went from using Linux computers as 
routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS series.  He has his own /24 and gets 
portscanned like crazy and has connection tracking on.  He complains that his 
Mikrotiks keep having to be rebooted or netinstalled and he has all sorts of 
crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just running out of memory due to 
his conntrack table filling up.  Not my problem though, so I’ve avoided getting 
sucked into it.

 

2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have somewhere around 1 
– 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller routers in my network like 493G 
and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM running low, but just tossing it out as a 
possibility.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with those so they 
should "just work" forever.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They
were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing
out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
Winbox or MACNeighbor.

One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing
NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these
locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.
Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both
routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can
attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has any one
else noticed anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, I think it's actually the exact same CPU as the 2011... which isn't
exactly great compared to the newer Mikrotiks, but it's certainly capable
of working as a router.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> CRS125 may be marketed as a “switch”, but CPU and RAM are comparable to
> several RB series “routers”.  I think RB2011 is one of those.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:24 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd stays
> employed by not admitting when they don't know something.  Always hit the
> client or boss with techno babble and they'll think you're smart, meanwhile
> failure to admit that their inferences have no underlying factual basis
> prevents them from actually growing.  The worst part is I think most of
> them actually believe their own BS. 
>
> If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be disappointed.
> It does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as a switch and has clear
> and well advertised limits on CPU and memory.  It's handy for that one time
> in 20 when you need your switch to also run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP
> relay or some such
>
> That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you disable
> connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though because you can
> actually crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of traffic and connection
> tracking turned on.  Those have 16GB of RAM and appear to be in no danger
> of running out of RAM when they die.  We could only guess why.  In any case
> if you don't need NAT or Mangle rules then you can safely disable
> connection tracking with no ill effects.  As you say, that might be worth a
> try on those 4011's.
>
>
>
> On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with one
> Ethernet port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of problem on that
> model.  And mine are outdoors in uncontrolled environments.  Well, except
> for one at my office.
>
>
>
> One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization (like
> graphing via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went from using Linux
> computers as routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS series.  He has his
> own /24 and gets portscanned like crazy and has connection tracking on.  He
> complains that his Mikrotiks keep having to be rebooted or netinstalled and
> he has all sorts of crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just
> running out of memory due to his conntrack table filling up.  Not my
> problem though, so I’ve avoided getting sucked into it.
>
>
>
> 2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have somewhere
> around 1 – 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller routers in my
> network like 493G and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM running low, but just
> tossing it out as a possibility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with those so they
> should "just work" forever.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM  wrote:
>
> We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darren Shea
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a problem a
> couple
> times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle it when
> it
> stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for this
> problem, I'd be very interested!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On
> Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They
> were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing
> out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
> Winbox or MACNeighbor.
>
> One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing
> NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these
> locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.
> Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both
> routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can
> attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has any one
> else noticed anything?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Adam Moffett]

For some reason their test results show 20-40% higher maximum throughput 
for the 2011 than the CRS125.


I recognize that they have the same CPU and RAM, but there must be more 
to it.


.or maybe the test procedure wasn't consistent I suppose.


On 3/11/2020 12:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


CRS125 may be marketed as a “switch”, but CPU and RAM are comparable 
to several RB series “routers”.  I think RB2011 is one of those.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:24 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd 
stays employed by not admitting when they don't know something.  
Always hit the client or boss with techno babble and they'll think 
you're smart, meanwhile failure to admit that their inferences have no 
underlying factual basis prevents them from actually growing.  The 
worst part is I think most of them actually believe their own BS. 



If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be 
disappointed.  It does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as a 
switch and has clear and well advertised limits on CPU and memory.  
It's handy for that one time in 20 when you need your switch to also 
run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP relay or some such


That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you disable 
connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though because you can 
actually crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of traffic and connection 
tracking turned on.  Those have 16GB of RAM and appear to be in no 
danger of running out of RAM when they die.  We could only guess why.  
In any case if you don't need NAT or Mangle rules then you can safely 
disable connection tracking with no ill effects.  As you say, that 
might be worth a try on those 4011's.


On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with
one Ethernet port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of
problem on that model.  And mine are outdoors in uncontrolled
environments.  Well, except for one at my office.

One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization
(like graphing via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went from
using Linux computers as routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS
series.  He has his own /24 and gets portscanned like crazy and
has connection tracking on.  He complains that his Mikrotiks keep
having to be rebooted or netinstalled and he has all sorts of
crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just running out of
memory due to his conntrack table filling up.  Not my problem
though, so I’ve avoided getting sucked into it.

2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have
somewhere around 1 – 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller
routers in my network like 493G and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM
running low, but just tossing it out as a possibility.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with those
so they should "just work" forever.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .

-Original Message-
From: Darren Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a
problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can
power-cycle it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix
for this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power
cycle. They
were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like
handing
out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into
them via
Winbox or MACNeighbor.

One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45. Both of them were
doing
NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these
locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT
locked up.
 

Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Mathew Howard]

I think that must have to do with how the CPU is connected to the switch.
The test results actually are the same for all of the 512 and 64 byte
tests... it's just that the CRS appears to be limited to a maximum of 983.7
Mbps. Probably has something to do with the fact that there are two
separate switches in the RB2011.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:43 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For some reason their test results show 20-40% higher maximum throughput
> for the 2011 than the CRS125.
>
> I recognize that they have the same CPU and RAM, but there must be more to
> it.
>
> .or maybe the test procedure wasn't consistent I suppose.
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 12:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> CRS125 may be marketed as a “switch”, but CPU and RAM are comparable to
> several RB series “routers”.  I think RB2011 is one of those.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:24 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd stays
> employed by not admitting when they don't know something.  Always hit the
> client or boss with techno babble and they'll think you're smart, meanwhile
> failure to admit that their inferences have no underlying factual basis
> prevents them from actually growing.  The worst part is I think most of
> them actually believe their own BS. 
>
> If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be disappointed.
> It does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as a switch and has clear
> and well advertised limits on CPU and memory.  It's handy for that one time
> in 20 when you need your switch to also run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP
> relay or some such
>
> That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you disable
> connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though because you can
> actually crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of traffic and connection
> tracking turned on.  Those have 16GB of RAM and appear to be in no danger
> of running out of RAM when they die.  We could only guess why.  In any case
> if you don't need NAT or Mangle rules then you can safely disable
> connection tracking with no ill effects.  As you say, that might be worth a
> try on those 4011's.
>
>
>
> On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with one
> Ethernet port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of problem on that
> model.  And mine are outdoors in uncontrolled environments.  Well, except
> for one at my office.
>
>
>
> One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization (like
> graphing via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went from using Linux
> computers as routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS series.  He has his
> own /24 and gets portscanned like crazy and has connection tracking on.  He
> complains that his Mikrotiks keep having to be rebooted or netinstalled and
> he has all sorts of crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just
> running out of memory due to his conntrack table filling up.  Not my
> problem though, so I’ve avoided getting sucked into it.
>
>
>
> 2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have somewhere
> around 1 – 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller routers in my
> network like 493G and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM running low, but just
> tossing it out as a possibility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with those so they
> should "just work" forever.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM  wrote:
>
> We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darren Shea
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a problem a
> couple
> times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle it when
> it
> stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for this
> problem, I'd be very interested!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On
> Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They
> were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing
> out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
> Winbox or MACNeighbor.
>
> One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing
> NAT, whereas most

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

[Steve Jones]

we spent a ton of money on that, never got it working, even with support

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:47 AM  wrote:

> prism
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:15 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages
>
> cnmaestro is the way of the future...
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:43 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Why isn't there a pkg3 file for every software release?  I'm getting
>> ready to change some 1000 Ap's out to 3000 AP's and now I have to
>> manually log into and update every SM to bring it to the current version?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Sean Heskett]

Also this Joe Rogan podcast episode #1439 is a great source of information
without all the spin.

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

-Sean


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:16 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> The message I sent had a link to the about page of the journal article.
>
> Here’s the PDF:
>
> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25728
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:09 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Mark and Steve,
>>
>> Here is a peer reviewed journal from the Journal of medical virology if
>> you would like to cut out the news networks and hear directly from the
>> scientists investigating the situation.
>>
>> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.25728
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:00 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This all started with CNN years and years ago.  They were the first 24/7
>>> news channel.  Even back then there wasn't enough news to cover 24/7.  They
>>> ran a 2-3 hour loop and just added a few stories as they came up.  I
>>> believe the main goal back then was to give people access to the news when
>>> they wanted it.  They didn't have to wait till 6 or 11.  They could turn on
>>> CNN watch it for 30 minutes and get caught up.  No one in their right mind
>>> would leave it on all day, that would be torture.
>>>
>>> Fast forward now and we have way too many 24/7 hours "news" channels
>>> competing for advertising dollars.  There just isn't enough natural content
>>> to support all these channels, so they just have to fill it in with
>>> completely made up shit.  So on any of these channels you get about 45%
>>> made up shit, 45% advertising, 10% real news.  Of the real news, it is
>>> usually spun to promote the 45% of made up shit.
>>>
>>> They have to get eyeballs or they don't get the $.  They exist now to
>>> get you into a team mentally.  Has to be US vs THEM.  Tune in today to see
>>> what the THEM is doing.  The THEM are against you.  The THEM are
>>> responsible for all your problems.  If you don't have any problems, just
>>> wait the THEM are going to give you some.  The THEM are going to take
>>> things away from you.  The THEM are going to give your things to someone
>>> else.  Keep watching us so we can explain to you what the THEM are going to
>>> do to you next.
>>>
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter if you watch CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Bloomberg, PBS, etc.
>>> They are all the same.
>>>
>>> Can't watch TV, no problem you can learn about the THEM on various
>>> podcast or talk radio shows.
>>>
>>> The line between news and entertainment no longer exists.  I would love
>>> to have tho old boring news back.  The news where if they didn't know
>>> something, they would say "We are waiting on further details and will
>>> report them to you as soon as possible."   Now if something is unknown we
>>> get a panel of "experts" that will just make shit up and spin it to their
>>> agenda.  By the time they are done talking, you can remember what really
>>> happen vs what they want you to think has happened.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 10:25:32 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The best thing that may come of this is the media may finally be held to
>>> account. This is a time the nation should be coming together and the media
>>> is openly trying to divide. Both sides of the aisle, have stated this over
>>> and over. Maybe we will just have a media reset, all the "journalists" and
>>> pundits rounded up and summarily executed. Restart the whole thing with the
>>> foreknowledge that freedom of the press only goes so far. When it gets too
>>> far out of hand we just zero out the balance. If all of CNN and fox
>>> people's heads were on pikes in front of their HQ, I bet the new
>>> journalists would think long and hard about integrity
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

[chuck]

I was being a bit tongue in cheek.  Was never a fan of prism.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

we spent a ton of money on that, never got it working, even with support

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:47 AM  wrote:

  prism

  From: Joe Novak 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:15 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP CNut Packages

  cnmaestro is the way of the future...


  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:43 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

Why isn't there a pkg3 file for every software release?  I'm getting 
ready to change some 1000 Ap's out to 3000 AP's and now I have to 
manually log into and update every SM to bring it to the current version?

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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Ken Hohhof]

I seem to remember there is a certain CPU load to manage all the switch ports.  
Not sure if it depends on whether they are all active.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 11:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

I think that must have to do with how the CPU is connected to the switch. The 
test results actually are the same for all of the 512 and 64 byte tests... it's 
just that the CRS appears to be limited to a maximum of 983.7 Mbps. Probably 
has something to do with the fact that there are two separate switches in the 
RB2011.

 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:43 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

For some reason their test results show 20-40% higher maximum throughput for 
the 2011 than the CRS125.  

I recognize that they have the same CPU and RAM, but there must be more to it.  

.or maybe the test procedure wasn't consistent I suppose.

 

On 3/11/2020 12:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

CRS125 may be marketed as a “switch”, but CPU and RAM are comparable to several 
RB series “routers”.  I think RB2011 is one of those.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

I relate to "crazy explanations".  A lot of the 2nd rate IT crowd stays 
employed by not admitting when they don't know something.  Always hit the 
client or boss with techno babble and they'll think you're smart, meanwhile 
failure to admit that their inferences have no underlying factual basis 
prevents them from actually growing.  The worst part is I think most of them 
actually believe their own BS.  

If your client is using the CRS as a router then he'll be disappointed.  It 
does run RouterOS, but it's clearly marketed as a switch and has clear and well 
advertised limits on CPU and memory.  It's handy for that one time in 20 when 
you need your switch to also run an IP tunnel or provide a DHCP relay or some 
such

That said, yes I've had watchdog resets that go away when you disable 
connection tracking.  It's not necessarily RAM though because you can actually 
crash a CCR 1072 with a couple gigs of traffic and connection tracking turned 
on.  Those have 16GB of RAM and appear to be in no danger of running out of RAM 
when they die.  We could only guess why.  In any case if you don't need NAT or 
Mangle rules then you can safely disable connection tracking with no ill 
effects.  As you say, that might be worth a try on those 4011's.

 

On 3/10/2020 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I don’t have a lot of 2011’s, but other than one that came with one Ethernet 
port DOA, I don’t think I’ve seen that kind of problem on that model.  And mine 
are outdoors in uncontrolled environments.  Well, except for one at my office.

 

One just general comment, are you tracking memory utilization (like graphing 
via SNMP)?  I have a weirdo customer who went from using Linux computers as 
routers to using Mikrotiks, I think CRS series.  He has his own /24 and gets 
portscanned like crazy and has connection tracking on.  He complains that his 
Mikrotiks keep having to be rebooted or netinstalled and he has all sorts of 
crazy explanations, but I’m convinced he is just running out of memory due to 
his conntrack table filling up.  Not my problem though, so I’ve avoided getting 
sucked into it.

 

2011 has I think 128 MB RAM, the heavier duty Mikrotiks have somewhere around 1 
– 4 GB.  I mean, I’ve still got a few smaller routers in my network like 493G 
and 850Gx2 and I don’t see RAM running low, but just tossing it out as a 
possibility.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

Stops handing out IPs and stops passing traffic.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:09 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

What kind of issue? I haven't heard model-specific bugs with those so they 
should "just work" forever.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:57 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

We have been having a similar issue with a RB2011iL-iN .

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've h

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Here is more non-political information on what we know so far.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-repurposed-treatments-drugs


bp



On 3/11/2020 10:16 AM, Sean Heskett
  wrote:


  
  
Also this Joe Rogan podcast episode #1439 is a
  great source of information without all the spin.
  
  
  
  
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

  
  -Sean
  
  
  

  On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:16
PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
  
  

  The message I sent had a link to the about
page of the journal article.  
  
  
  Here’s the PDF:




  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25728



-Sean



  
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020
  at 9:09 PM Sean Heskett 
  wrote:


  
Mark and Steve,
  
  
  
  Here is a peer reviewed journal from
the Journal of medical virology if you would like to
cut out the news networks and hear directly from the
scientists investigating the situation.
  
  
  
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.25728
  
  
  
  -Sean
  
  
  

  On Tue, Mar 10,
2020 at 9:00 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:
  
  

  This all started with
CNN years and years ago.  They were the
first 24/7 news channel.  Even back then
there wasn't enough news to cover 24/7. 
They ran a 2-3 hour loop and just added a
few stories as they came up.  I believe the
main goal back then was to give people
access to the news when they wanted it. 
They didn't have to wait till 6 or 11.  They
could turn on CNN watch it for 30 minutes
and get caught up.  No one in their right
mind would leave it on all day, that would
be torture.

Fast forward now and we have way too many
24/7 hours "news" channels competing for
advertising dollars.  There just isn't
enough natural content to support all these
channels, so they just have to fill it in
with completely made up shit.  So on any of
these channels you get about 45% made up
shit, 45% advertising, 10% real news.  Of
the real news, it is usually spun to promote
the 45% of made up shit.

They have to get eyeballs or they don't get
the $.  They exist now to get you into a
team mentally.  Has to be US vs THEM.  Tune
in today to see what the THEM is doing.  The
THEM are against you.  The THEM are
responsible for all your problems.  If you
don't have any problems, just wait the THEM
are going to give you some.  The THEM are
going to take things away from you.  The
THEM are going to give your things to
someone else.  Keep watching us so we can
explain to you what the THEM are going to do
to you next.


It doesn't matter if you watch CNN, MSNBC,
FOX, Bloomberg, PBS, etc.  They are all the
same.    

Can't watch TV, no problem you can learn
about the THEM on various podcast or talk
radio shows.  
 

[AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Sean Heskett]

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mike Hammett]

No. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Claude Aiken" 
, "Members" , "Trina Coffey" 
, "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 12:58:17 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 


I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone. 


Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out. 


I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially. 



https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
 


https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw 


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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

Well, hell then. Im going to start cancelling things and asking people to
pay my way

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Josh Luthman]

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Adam Moffett]

There are one or two cases in the Dallas area and one or two cases in my 
area.  Seems like a wash.  I'm gonna roll the dice this time, but after 
next week I'm not traveling.



On 3/11/2020 1:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the 
safety of everyone.


Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we 
should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer 
financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong 
both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Josh Luthman]

Better not make contact with anyone ever then, I guess.  At what point do
we say viruses should halt contact to do the responsible thing?  At what
point do we end said halt?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:19 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[David Hannum]

What should be canceled is the hysteria going on around this.
That's all I've got to say about that . . .

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety 
> of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
> pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA 
> and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
swine flu, and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I like this better. So it looks like we are in a Global Pandemic
  now.   Or as Trevor Noah has it, a Pandumbic. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcEnG7qxnLY

bp



On 3/11/2020 10:16 AM, Sean Heskett
  wrote:


  
  
Also this Joe Rogan podcast episode #1439 is a
  great source of information without all the spin.
  
  
  
  
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

  
  -Sean
  
  
  

  On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:16
PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
  
  

  The message I sent had a link to the about
page of the journal article.  
  
  
  Here’s the PDF:




  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25728



-Sean



  
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020
  at 9:09 PM Sean Heskett 
  wrote:


  
Mark and Steve,
  
  
  
  Here is a peer reviewed journal from
the Journal of medical virology if you would like to
cut out the news networks and hear directly from the
scientists investigating the situation.
  
  
  
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.25728
  
  
  
  -Sean
  
  
  

  On Tue, Mar 10,
2020 at 9:00 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:
  
  

  This all started with
CNN years and years ago.  They were the
first 24/7 news channel.  Even back then
there wasn't enough news to cover 24/7. 
They ran a 2-3 hour loop and just added a
few stories as they came up.  I believe the
main goal back then was to give people
access to the news when they wanted it. 
They didn't have to wait till 6 or 11.  They
could turn on CNN watch it for 30 minutes
and get caught up.  No one in their right
mind would leave it on all day, that would
be torture.

Fast forward now and we have way too many
24/7 hours "news" channels competing for
advertising dollars.  There just isn't
enough natural content to support all these
channels, so they just have to fill it in
with completely made up shit.  So on any of
these channels you get about 45% made up
shit, 45% advertising, 10% real news.  Of
the real news, it is usually spun to promote
the 45% of made up shit.

They have to get eyeballs or they don't get
the $.  They exist now to get you into a
team mentally.  Has to be US vs THEM.  Tune
in today to see what the THEM is doing.  The
THEM are against you.  The THEM are
responsible for all your problems.  If you
don't have any problems, just wait the THEM
are going to give you some.  The THEM are
going to take things away from you.  The
THEM are going to give your things to
someone else.  Keep watching us so we can
explain to you what the THEM are going to do
to you next.


It doesn't matter if you watch CNN, MSNBC,
FOX, Bloomberg, PBS, etc.  They are all the
same.    

Can't watch TV, no problem you can learn
about the THEM on various podcast or talk

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
 safety of everyone.

 Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

 I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
 should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
 need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
 financially.


 https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

 https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

 Best regards,

 -Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

youre either a part of society, and your actions are part of that society,
or youre not. one action is a part of the whole. you dont get to sit on 2
sides of the fence at once. the oceans just a bunch of drops of water. so
yeah, you are breaking it down

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:35 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>
>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>> flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Joshua Stump]

I have 4-5 across my network currently in this phase. OSPF is up and it's
routing and passing traffic, but not monitoring, no winbox or ssh access. A
bunch of the services hang. I have noticed if I catch them starting I can
reboot before it comes inaccessible. It's only happening with RB4011s (our
small site go-to) and it's been happening on 6.45 and 6.46.4 even.

Let me know if you find a solution. I will do likewise.

Joshua Stump
Network Admin
Fourway.NET
800-733-0062

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 12:24 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They
were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing out
DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via Winbox or
MACNeighbor.

One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing NAT,
whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these locations have
multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.  
Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both
routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can
attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has any one else
noticed anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Colin Stanners]

no WISPAmerica
-> WISPs lose opportunity to gain knowledge and buy new products
-> WISP industry stagnates and becomes confused
-> slowdown and later failure of rural and underserved internet access
-> rural and underserved areas can't act like Karens on Facebook or obtain
pornography
-> utter collapse of society and infrastructure in rural and underserved
areas
-> network effects and lack of food production etc in the above areas
results of utter collapse of society in urban areas.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:40 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> youre either a part of society, and your actions are part of that society,
> or youre not. one action is a part of the whole. you dont get to sit on 2
> sides of the fence at once. the oceans just a bunch of drops of water. so
> yeah, you are breaking it down
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

 IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
 society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
 point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
 flatten the curve.

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Sean Heskett]

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Sean Heskett]

Yeah Trevor nailed it with that segment lol.

Here’s another good resource
https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I like this better. So it looks like we are in a Global Pandemic now.   Or
> as Trevor Noah has it, a Pandumbic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcEnG7qxnLY
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 10:16 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Also this Joe Rogan podcast episode #1439 is a great source of information
> without all the spin.
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:16 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> The message I sent had a link to the about page of the journal article.
>>
>> Here’s the PDF:
>>
>> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25728
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:09 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Mark and Steve,
>>>
>>> Here is a peer reviewed journal from the Journal of medical virology if
>>> you would like to cut out the news networks and hear directly from the
>>> scientists investigating the situation.
>>>
>>> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.25728
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:00 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>
 This all started with CNN years and years ago.  They were the first
 24/7 news channel.  Even back then there wasn't enough news to cover 24/7.
 They ran a 2-3 hour loop and just added a few stories as they came up.  I
 believe the main goal back then was to give people access to the news when
 they wanted it.  They didn't have to wait till 6 or 11.  They could turn on
 CNN watch it for 30 minutes and get caught up.  No one in their right mind
 would leave it on all day, that would be torture.

 Fast forward now and we have way too many 24/7 hours "news" channels
 competing for advertising dollars.  There just isn't enough natural content
 to support all these channels, so they just have to fill it in with
 completely made up shit.  So on any of these channels you get about 45%
 made up shit, 45% advertising, 10% real news.  Of the real news, it is
 usually spun to promote the 45% of made up shit.

 They have to get eyeballs or they don't get the $.  They exist now to
 get you into a team mentally.  Has to be US vs THEM.  Tune in today to see
 what the THEM is doing.  The THEM are against you.  The THEM are
 responsible for all your problems.  If you don't have any problems, just
 wait the THEM are going to give you some.  The THEM are going to take
 things away from you.  The THEM are going to give your things to someone
 else.  Keep watching us so we can explain to you what the THEM are going to
 do to you next.


 It doesn't matter if you watch CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Bloomberg, PBS, etc.
 They are all the same.

 Can't watch TV, no problem you can learn about the THEM on various
 podcast or talk radio shows.

 The line between news and entertainment no longer exists.  I would love
 to have tho old boring news back.  The news where if they didn't know
 something, they would say "We are waiting on further details and will
 report them to you as soon as possible."   Now if something is unknown we
 get a panel of "experts" that will just make shit up and spin it to their
 agenda.  By the time they are done talking, you can remember what really
 happen vs what they want you to think has happened.


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 The best thing that may come of this is the media may finally be held
 to account. This is a time the nation should be coming together and the
 media is openly trying to divide. Both sides of the aisle, have stated this
 over and over. Maybe we will just have a media reset, all the "journalists"
 and pundits rounded up and summarily executed. Restart the whole thing with
 the foreknowledge that freedom of the press only goes so far. When it gets
 too far out of hand we just zero out the balance. If all of CNN and fox
 people's heads were on pikes in front of their HQ, I bet the new
 journalists would think long and hard about integrity
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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[AFMUG] OT test please

[chuck]

We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

[Carl Peterson]

Just loads the header.



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:

> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

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"The WISP industry is a strong and resilient one. We’re dedicated and
fearless. Attending WISPAMERICA sends a strong signal to others in the
communications industry, policymakers and your communities that you will
remain strong even in light of the day’s loud and oftentimes distracting
news coverage and circumstances. The novel coronavirus is not to be sniffed
at, but its risks are manageable – WISPs will not let these events paralyze
their service to customers and the community at large."


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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:09 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
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>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Sean Heskett]

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

[James Howard]

Neither link opens correctly from here.

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT test please

We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

[Sean Heskett]

Loading fine here.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:23 PM  wrote:

> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

[chuck]

Dang,, that is what Josh is seeing too.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 1:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

Just loads the header. 



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:

  We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

[Mathew Howard]

Same here

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:27 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Just loads the header.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>
>> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>>
>> Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
>> https://www.mccowntech.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[James Howard]

Not sure if anyone posted a link to this site before but I find the data 
informative and interesting to compare specific country data.

I don’t recall the source right now but I ready recently that the death rate of 
3.6% in China is an overall rate but almost all of the deaths have been in 2 
provinces (Wuhan and Hubei possibly).  All other provinces have an overall rate 
of 0.7% which is much more in line with influenza.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 1:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus


I like this better. So it looks like we are in a Global Pandemic now.   Or as 
Trevor Noah has it, a Pandumbic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcEnG7qxnLY

bp




On 3/11/2020 10:16 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Also this Joe Rogan podcast episode #1439 is a great source of information 
without all the spin.

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

-Sean


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:16 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
The message I sent had a link to the about page of the journal article.

Here’s the PDF:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25728

-Sean


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:09 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Mark and Steve,

Here is a peer reviewed journal from the Journal of medical virology if you 
would like to cut out the news networks and hear directly from the scientists 
investigating the situation.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.25728

-Sean


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:00 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
This all started with CNN years and years ago.  They were the first 24/7 news 
channel.  Even back then there wasn't enough news to cover 24/7.  They ran a 
2-3 hour loop and just added a few stories as they came up.  I believe the main 
goal back then was to give people access to the news when they wanted it.  They 
didn't have to wait till 6 or 11.  They could turn on CNN watch it for 30 
minutes and get caught up.  No one in their right mind would leave it on all 
day, that would be torture.

Fast forward now and we have way too many 24/7 hours "news" channels competing 
for advertising dollars.  There just isn't enough natural content to support 
all these channels, so they just have to fill it in with completely made up 
shit.  So on any of these channels you get about 45% made up shit, 45% 
advertising, 10% real news.  Of the real news, it is usually spun to promote 
the 45% of made up shit.

They have to get eyeballs or they don't get the $.  They exist now to get you 
into a team mentally.  Has to be US vs THEM.  Tune in today to see what the 
THEM is doing.  The THEM are against you.  The THEM are responsible for all 
your problems.  If you don't have any problems, just wait the THEM are going to 
give you some.  The THEM are going to take things away from you.  The THEM are 
going to give your things to someone else.  Keep watching us so we can explain 
to you what the THEM are going to do to you next.


It doesn't matter if you watch CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Bloomberg, PBS, etc.  They are 
all the same.

Can't watch TV, no problem you can learn about the THEM on various podcast or 
talk radio shows.

The line between news and entertainment no longer exists.  I would love to have 
tho old boring news back.  The news where if they didn't know something, they 
would say "We are waiting on further details and will report them to you as 
soon as possible."   Now if something is unknown we get a panel of "experts" 
that will just make shit up and spin it to their agenda.  By the time they are 
done talking, you can remember what really happen vs what they want you to 
think has happened.


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Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 10:25:32 PM, you wrote:

The best thing that may come of this is the media may finally be held to 
account. This is a time the nation should be coming together and the media is 
openly trying to divide. Both sides of the aisle, have stated this over and 
over. Maybe we will just have a media reset, all the "journalists" and pundits 
rounded up and summarily executed. Restart the whole thing with the 
foreknowledge that freedom of the press only goes so far. When it gets too far 
out of hand we just zero out the balance. If all of CNN and fox people's heads 
were on pikes in front of their HQ, I bet the new journalists would think long 
and hard about integrity

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA]  COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


Really guys you have to spew this BS.  Were going to be like Italy in a few days, why?  How is making this crap up helping anything?

First of all we are not behind Italy.  Italy is behind us.  First case in US was reported on 1/19.  First case in Italy was report on 1/31.  So, technically it was here over a week before Italy and had more time to spread.  Also, where are you getting the 20% number.  Currently only 11% of active case are Serious or Critical and that number has dropped over the last few days.  In the US we are currently at 1% Serious or Critical of the active cases.  Italy is an exception and should not be consider the normal outcome.  We don't know why they are taking it so hard.  But look at Canada(1/26) and Australia(1/25).  Just like the US, both of these countries had their first case before Italy.

Look at Germany(1/27), they have more cases than the US in a shorter time frame.  But currently they only have 3 deaths and only 9 Serious or Critical.  Apparently they take care of their elders.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 3:29:55 PM, you wrote:





Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless  wrote:




https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  



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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:




I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Josh Luthman]

Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have
almost caught up.

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
 safety of everyone.

 Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

 I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
 should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
 need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
 financially.


 https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

 https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

 Best regards,

 -Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Eric Nielsen]

That graph is for mainland China numbers, i believe. Isn’t it?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:07 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have
> almost caught up.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

[Steve Jones]

ive never seen cactus porn before. WTH are you getting into over there at
mccowntech?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:32 PM  wrote:

> Dang,, that is what Josh is seeing too.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 1:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>
> Just loads the header.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>
>> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>>
>> Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
>> https://www.mccowntech.com
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/technology-products/
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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Mathew Howard]

I've had 4011's lock up a few times... I think I may have had it happen on
an RB1100AHX4 as well, but I'm not sure about that... in one case, I
replaced an 1100ahx4 with a 4011, and I know that happened there at least
once, but I don't remember if it was before or after it was replaced. That
wouldn't be too surprising though, since those two models have mostly the
same guts.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:42 PM Joshua Stump  wrote:

> I have 4-5 across my network currently in this phase. OSPF is up and it's
> routing and passing traffic, but not monitoring, no winbox or ssh access. A
> bunch of the services hang. I have noticed if I catch them starting I can
> reboot before it comes inaccessible. It's only happening with RB4011s (our
> small site go-to) and it's been happening on 6.45 and 6.46.4 even.
>
> Let me know if you find a solution. I will do likewise.
>
> Joshua Stump
> Network Admin
> Fourway.NET
> 800-733-0062
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 12:24 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They
> were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing out
> DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via Winbox or
> MACNeighbor.
>
> One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing NAT,
> whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these locations
> have
> multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.
> Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both
> routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can
> attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has any one
> else
> noticed anything?
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Sean Heskett]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
 safety of everyone.

 Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

 I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
 should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
 need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
 financially.


 https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

 https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

 Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[image: image.png]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[chuck]

The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it did a 
decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve.  
But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be good for 
all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things...

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: Josh Luthman ; WISPA General List 
Cc: Members ; Claude Aiken ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Trina Coffey 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

  The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

  Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

  Thanks for sharing!

  -Sean


  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
 wrote:


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the 
safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we 
should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We 
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and 
financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

Most people interpret data to mean what they want it to mean…….

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:07 PM
To: Sean Heskett 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Members 
; Trina Coffey ; WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have 
almost caught up.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[image.png]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mike Hammett]

You're about 10 years late on WISPCON. ;-) 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:24:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 




The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it did a 
decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve. 
But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be good for 
all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things... 




From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 2:17 PM 
To: Josh Luthman ; WISPA General List 
Cc: Members ; Claude Aiken ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Trina Coffey 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E 




On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




Yup great site josh! We are about 9 days behind Italy. 

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity. 20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care. There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve. The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time. 

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve. 

Thanks for sharing! 

-Sean 




On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless < wirel...@wispa.org 
> wrote: 



https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 






image.png





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




https://www.flattenthecurve.com/ 





On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone. 

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out. 

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially. 


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
 


https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw 

Best regards, 

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mathew Howard]

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
death rate is much lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>>
>>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>>> stretched over time.
>>>
>>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>>

 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


 [image: image.png]

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

the number infected is the spread, thats what all the helmet are saying, is
how fast it will spread. i go by the number that actually matters.

But there is an upside ti wispamerica if this thing spreads as easy as the
lowbrows say it does.

a ton of WISPs will be up for sale at estate liquidations.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:29 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

 The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
 hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
 ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
 curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
 difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
 stretched over time.

 Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

 Thanks for sharing!

 -Sean


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
 wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

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> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Josh Luthman]

And the green line.  What is that?

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:

> That graph is for mainland China numbers, i believe. Isn’t it?
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:07 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have
>> almost caught up.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
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>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>>
>>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>>> stretched over time.
>>>
>>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>>

 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


 [image: image.png]

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 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

Josh,  Not sure why you would display it with "Other Locations" filtered
and I'm not sure what your point it re recoveries.  That the vast majority
who contract this will get better?  No one contests that.  Clearly China's
containment, although it would seem draconian here, has been effective in
flattening their curve somewhat.  In the US we are at the very beginning of
what will be a rapid rise in cases (1135 confirmed as of today) and have an
opportunity to flatten the curve with much less draconian
voluntary measures.
[image: Screen Shot 2020-03-11 at 4.13.21 PM.png]


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:06 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> And the green line.  What is that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>
>> That graph is for mainland China numbers, i believe. Isn’t it?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:07 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers
>>> have almost caught up.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

 The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
 hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
 ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
 curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
 difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
 stretched over time.

 Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

 Thanks for sharing!

 -Sean


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
 wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 


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It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones  wrote:




this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless  wrote:




https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  



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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:




I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean



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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Sean Heskett]

*take the path not oath (damn you autocorrect)

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:48 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> If we take the oath of China and Germany (testing, quarantine and social
> distancing) then we won’t look like Italy.  But if we stay on our current
> path we will look like Italy or even Iran.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
>> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
>> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
>> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
>> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
>> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
>> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
>> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
>> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
>> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
>> fear mongering.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
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>>
>> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
>> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
>> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
>> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
>> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
>> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
>> death rate is much lower.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>>
>> Office:
>> 937-552-2340
>>
>> Direct:
>> 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
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>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
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>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Sean Heskett]

Mark,

If we take the oath of China and Germany (testing, quarantine and social
distancing) then we won’t look like Italy.  But if we stay on our current
path we will look like Italy or even Iran.

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
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> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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>
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> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
>
> Office:
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>
> Direct:
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>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C5.C1AA5040]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C5.C1AA5040]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[chuck]

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmericaI keep sayin’ some cultures just 
don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering. 


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:


 It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

   this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

   Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will 
happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it 
will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten 
the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the 
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is 
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via 
Wireless  wrote:

 
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 I’m sorry folks but this conference really 
should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision 
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s 
finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t 
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong 
both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean
 
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Darren Shea]

We are putting remote PDUs at all sites as a general precaution – there’s too 
many devices which can fail/crash, requiring a truck roll, that end up getting 
fixed by a power cycle. It doesn’t take too many disruptions like that to 
realize the value of a remote reboot with ping watchdog option.

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

 

If you see enough problems that you're putting in a a remote PDU - replace the 
router before putting in the PDU unless absolutely nothing else than the RB4011 
will work.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:31 PM Darren Shea  wrote:

I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They 
were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing 
out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via 
Winbox or MACNeighbor.

One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing 
NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these 
locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.  
Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both 
routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can 
attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has any one 
else noticed anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean

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[chuck]

Neutron bomb.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

 

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

  You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and 
french fries?

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

   

  Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it 
safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

   

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or 
has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy 
has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I 
don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  
Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic 
in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the 
country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other 
countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or 
good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to 
turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 


--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

 It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot 
more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is 
that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't 
have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging 
by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far 
fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is 
much lower.

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

   this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 
1 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

   Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind 
Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what 
will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get 
it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we 
flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the 
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is 
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the 
curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via 
Wireless  wrote:

 
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 I’m sorry folks but this conference really 
should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision 
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s 
finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t 
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong 
both physically an

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

I’ve never been there but have been told that in Italy the term “public 
restroom” means wherever you happen to be standing on the street at the time.  
The streets are their trash/compost areas……  why wash your fingers after 
pooping if you’re walking through it all the time anyway?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.


--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[X]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[X]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

Will that give Steve the glassitrol result he’s looking for though?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Neutron bomb.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.


--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C7.D352CFF0]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C7.D352CFF0]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think w

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

I always wanted to make a massive pulse magnet that would shift the iron
elements in the body just enough to shred the cell walls. If you can design
it, then you can keep your food

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://yo

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[castarritt .]

How about a bio weapon, maybe one that presents like influenza?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
>
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> http://af.afmug.com/mailman

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

canada is still getting glassed, regardless, so ill still get a taste


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:10 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Will that give Steve the glassitrol result he’s looking for though?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Neutron bomb.
>
>
>
> *From:* James Howard
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave d

Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Nate Burke]

I used to do that, back in the day.  Then I had the problem where the 
PDUs Started failing and turning everything off more than the PDUs were 
helping me by letting me power cycle things.  Or the Failure was 
something like the router, so the PDU couldn't be accessed anyway.


On 3/11/2020 5:04 PM, Darren Shea wrote:


We are putting remote PDUs at all sites as a general precaution – 
there’s too many devices which can fail/crash, requiring a truck roll, 
that end up getting fixed by a power cycle. It doesn’t take too many 
disruptions like that to realize the value of a remote reboot with 
ping watchdog option.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:09 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

If you see enough problems that you're putting in a a remote PDU - 
replace the router before putting in the PDU unless absolutely nothing 
else than the RB4011 will work.


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:31 PM Darren Shea > wrote:


I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a
problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle
it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for
this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power
cycle. They
were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like
handing
out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
Winbox or MACNeighbor.

One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing
NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing. Both of these
locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked
up.
Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot. These were both
routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can
attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has
any one
else noticed anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


Sean,

But we already took the path of Italy?  What have we really done since the first case?  People aren't honoring quarantine.  Just got a message from the local school board.  If anyone in the family goes on a cruise over spring break (kids or teachers), don't bother coming to school for 14 days.  Do you really think those people are going to sit at home for 14 days and watch netflix.  No way they will be at universal, Busch Gardens, Disney, etc.  They are just going to treat it as an extra 2 weeks of spring break.  

This will be abused greatly.  I think most companies are going to be pressured to pay employees that have to go in quarantine.  Once that happens everyone in the country will start taking their new found 14 day vacation.  Need a doctors note, just call Dr. Nick (Simpsons Reference) and he'll write you a note.

Don't get me wrong we should be concerned about this.  We should be taking reasonable precautions.  But kicking students out of their dorms rooms with 5 days of notice is a bit extreme.

Once this clears, I would love to see a study done on Italy.  They are just off the charts.  It just blew up over there.  It was like a perfect storm.  It came in so fast and hard, I don't think there was any reasonable way for them to slow it down.   


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 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 5:48:28 PM, you wrote:





Mark,

If we take the oath of China and Germany (testing, quarantine and social distancing) then we won’t look like Italy.  But if we stay on our current path we will look like Italy or even Iran.

-Sean 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:




Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 


--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:





It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones  wrote:




this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless  wrote:




https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  




























Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:




I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Josh Luthman]

Wouldn't the Corona Virus do that..?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
>
> -

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

That works

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

canada is still getting glassed, regardless, so ill still get a taste


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:10 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Will that give Steve the glassitrol result he’s looking for though?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Neutron bomb.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.


--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C8.D5BBC430]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C8.D5BBC430]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

Re: [AFMUG] OT military secret things

[Nate Burke]

You said EMP, I read it as EPMP.  I thought maybe this was a 
mu-MU-MMUU-MIMO antenna.


On 3/11/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
One of my sons is working on a project for the USAF in NM.  This is an 
EMP test antenna.






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Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Ken Hohhof]

WHO and CDC have websites, and the federal govt task force led by VP Pence has 
I think daily press conferences that are carried on the TV and available I’m 
sure on the Internet.  Much status will be local, and state and local govts are 
providing information, for example here in Illinois we have 
http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus.

 

I’ve listened to some of the task force press conferences on TV and have found 
them informative and factual.  I also heard a press conference by our state 
governor today on the radio while driving, and again it was informative and not 
“hysteria”.

 

I think everyone knows about the coronavirus by now, and ample public 
information is available to use or ignore as you please.  So maybe we’re at the 
point where the discussion on this list can focus more on issues specific to 
our industry.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

 

I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.

 

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

 

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering. 


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:


It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:


this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1 
  

 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:


  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:


Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless mailto:wirel...@wispa.org> > wrote:


 

 
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  

  

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
 

 1100 Wayne St
 

 Suite 1337
 

 Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:


  https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:


I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yester

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

Seems like the answer is just to build a wall around them then and wait.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Wouldn't the Corona Virus do that..?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:06 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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St
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1337
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45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar Fo

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Matt Hoppes]

The other problem is WISPA is not giving refunds to folks who "don't go 
because of the virus".


On 3/11/20 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of 
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is 
a point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings 
to flatten the curve.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled
for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think
we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer
financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
strong both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Matt Hoppes]

Attending the conference sends a strong message that we are selfish and 
don't care about anyone but ourselves.


 We have a duty to social distance now - for our elderly, for your 
healthcare providers, for every neighbor who may need a hospital bed. 
Doing your part to slow the spread is showing love and respect to us all.


A key reason to social distance now is to flatten out the peak of the 
pandemic. If we all get sick at the same time, many more die. Italy 
shows nearly 50 percent of cases needing hospitalization. We have to 
slow this down enough to allow any that get it to have a decent shot at 
a hospital bed and care. Not just that! We must slow it down so that any 
of our neighbors with ANY ailment has a hospital bed available. Those 
other ailments don't stop just because of this pandemic.


The longer we can slow the spread, the more we learn about what works 
against it. It's more time to get drugs and treatments. More time to 
potential develope a vaccine. This may become an endemic and we are not 
going to isolate forever. There may be a time when we all go out, but 
bow instead of shaking hands. Maybe wearing masks or gloves.


We will find a way to be the free, fearless people we want to be. But 
first we must slow the exponential growth, support our healthcare 
providers by giving them less patients at once, support our neighbors 
when they have milder cases at home, and respect one another by doing 
our part to avoid spreading this virus.


Please consider what you can do to show everyone love and respect by 
being cautious. No matter the personal risk to you, your neighbor needs 
you.


On 3/11/20 3:27 PM, Keefe John via Wireless wrote:
"The WISP industry is a strong and resilient one. We’re dedicated and 
fearless. Attending WISPAMERICA sends a strong signal to others in the 
communications industry, policymakers and your communities that you will 
remain strong even in light of the day’s loud and oftentimes distracting 
news coverage and circumstances. The novel coronavirus is not to be 
sniffed at, but its risks are manageable – WISPs will not let these 
events paralyze their service to customers and the community at large."



Keefe John
CEO
Ethoplex
Direct: 262.345.5200

Ethoplex Business Internet
http://www.ethoplex.com/
Signal Residential Internet
http://www.signalisp.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:09 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:



https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


image.png

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be
canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to
pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I
think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be
healthy and strong both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Matt Hoppes]

I am prepared to make purchases of WISP, cash sale I'll be here in 
three weeks.


Please have your P&L statements, customer attrition and gain rates 
easily available, and a price in mind when you contact me.


On 3/11/20 4:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it 
did a decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve.
But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be 
good for all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things...


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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Matt Hoppes]

"Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in continuing 
the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant 
financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which has 
not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many 
safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other 
infectious disease transmission.


Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies of 
not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational 
commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that 
means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."



INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what, because 
we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.We 
most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we understand 
your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can 
refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to an 
ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.


On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding conference 
fees?


Thanks,

Jerry Bickle

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

And you'll pay for it with money made on $50k in the stock market.



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I am prepared to make purchases of WISP, cash sale I'll be here in
three weeks.

Please have your P&L statements, customer attrition and gain rates
easily available, and a price in mind when you contact me.

On 3/11/20 4:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it
> did a decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve.
> But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be
> good for all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things...

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[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM]  Re:  [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


Going to be interesting on how long the media can milk this for.  We as a society have a very short attention span.  Long before this virus fizzles out, the masses with get bored with it.  They will just start tuning it out and start worrying about bigger things like the bachelor and the Kardashians.

What do you think about 6 weeks?


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 6:17:35 PM, you wrote:





WHO and CDC have websites, and the federal govt task force led by VP Pence has I think daily press conferences that are carried on the TV and available I’m sure on the Internet.  Much status will be local, and state and local govts are providing information, for example here in Illinois we have http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus.
 
I’ve listened to some of the task force press conferences on TV and have found them informative and factual.  I also heard a press conference by our state governor today on the radio while driving, and again it was informative and not “hysteria”.
 
I think everyone knows about the coronavirus by now, and ample public information is available to use or ignore as you please.  So maybe we’re at the point where the discussion on this list can focus more on issues specific to our industry.
 
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
 
I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.
 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
 
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:




It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones  wrote:




this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless  wrote:




https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  



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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:




I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer fina

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

matt hoppes agrees with me its best to glass everyone. he is the reason
reynolds stock hasnt drop, he buy all the tin foil as fast as they can make
it.
What do you say matt, we nuke canada and mexico to create a radiation
buffer around the US, pop the tops off al the coastal oil well and light
the waters afire to give us a water buffer. continually release helium
balloons around the nation to keep the airplanes out.
Follow this up with a napalm strip north to south in the midwest to isolate
the two halves of the country. Glas california, washington, and new york
states. Quartine chicago with tanks, build a small berm around it, fill it
with gas and light it up?
that should be a good start.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:43 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Going to be interesting on how long the media can milk this for.  We as a
> society have a very short attention span.  Long before this virus fizzles
> out, the masses with get bored with it.  They will just start tuning it out
> and start worrying about bigger things like the bachelor and the
> Kardashians.
>
> What do you think about 6 weeks?
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
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>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 6:17:35 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> WHO and CDC have websites, and the federal govt task force led by VP Pence
> has I think daily press conferences that are carried on the TV and
> available I’m sure on the Internet.  Much status will be local, and state
> and local govts are providing information, for example here in Illinois we
> have
> http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus
> .
>
> I’ve listened to some of the task force press conferences on TV and have
> found them informative and factual.  I also heard a press conference by our
> state governor today on the radio while driving, and again it was
> informative and not “hysteria”.
>
> I think everyone knows about the coronavirus by now, and ample public
> information is available to use or ignore as you please.  So maybe we’re at
> the point where the discussion on this list can focus more on issues
> specific to our industry.
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after
> pooping.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On We

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Ken Hohhof]

I do not find your constant posts blaming “the media” helpful or informative.

 

I apologize that I find listening to the official government task force press 
conference more useful.  So because I’m watching it on TV, that makes it “the 
media”?

 

Please consider posting something about how this affects our industry or how we 
can prepare or respond.  If your answer is it doesn’t and we don’t need to, 
because it’s all a media hoax, no need to keep filling my inbox.  I heard you 
the first dozen times.  Blah blah blah, media, hype, hysteria, yadda yadda.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

 

Going to be interesting on how long the media can milk this for.  We as a 
society have a very short attention span.  Long before this virus fizzles out, 
the masses with get bored with it.  They will just start tuning it out and 
start worrying about bigger things like the bachelor and the Kardashians.

What do you think about 6 weeks?


--
Best regards,
Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 6:17:35 PM, you wrote:


WHO and CDC have websites, and the federal govt task force led by VP Pence has 
I think daily press conferences that are carried on the TV and available I’m 
sure on the Internet.  Much status will be local, and state and local govts are 
providing information, for example here in Illinois we have 
http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus.

I’ve listened to some of the task force press conferences on TV and have found 
them informative and factual.  I also heard a press conference by our state 
governor today on the radio while driving, and again it was informative and not 
“hysteria”.

I think everyone knows about the coronavirus by now, and ample public 
information is available to use or ignore as you please.  So maybe we’re at the 
point where the discussion on this list can focus more on issues specific to 
our industry.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering. 


--
Best regards,
Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:


It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:


this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:


  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:


Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus,

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

its amazing the difference between what you get watching what actual
officials say and watching what the media (news media) and former officials
say. the former officials I actually LOL over considering how poorly they
handled the previous nothingburger swine flu

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:03 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I do not find your constant posts blaming “the media” helpful or
> informative.
>
>
>
> I apologize that I find listening to the official government task force
> press conference more useful.  So because I’m watching it on TV, that makes
> it “the media”?
>
>
>
> Please consider posting something about how this affects our industry or
> how we can prepare or respond.  If your answer is it doesn’t and we don’t
> need to, because it’s all a media hoax, no need to keep filling my inbox.
> I heard you the first dozen times.  Blah blah blah, media, hype, hysteria,
> yadda yadda.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka
> Technologies
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Going to be interesting on how long the media can milk this for.  We as a
> society have a very short attention span.  Long before this virus fizzles
> out, the masses with get bored with it.  They will just start tuning it out
> and start worrying about bigger things like the bachelor and the
> Kardashians.
>
> What do you think about 6 weeks?
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 6:17:35 PM, you wrote:
>
> WHO and CDC have websites, and the federal govt task force led by VP Pence
> has I think daily press conferences that are carried on the TV and
> available I’m sure on the Internet.  Much status will be local, and state
> and local govts are providing information, for example here in Illinois we
> have
> http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus
> .
>
> I’ve listened to some of the task force press conferences on TV and have
> found them informative and factual.  I also heard a press conference by our
> state governor today on the radio while driving, and again it was
> informative and not “hysteria”.
>
> I think everyone knows about the coronavirus by now, and ample public
> information is available to use or ignore as you please.  So maybe we’re at
> the point where the discussion on this list can focus more on issues
> specific to our industry.
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after
> pooping.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who 

Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

[Mathew Howard]

I've never known PacketFlux PDUs to fail... with other stuff, we certainly
had that problem.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:13 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I used to do that, back in the day.  Then I had the problem where the PDUs
> Started failing and turning everything off more than the PDUs were helping
> me by letting me power cycle things.  Or the Failure was something like the
> router, so the PDU couldn't be accessed anyway.
>
> On 3/11/2020 5:04 PM, Darren Shea wrote:
>
> We are putting remote PDUs at all sites as a general precaution – there’s
> too many devices which can fail/crash, requiring a truck roll, that end up
> getting fixed by a power cycle. It doesn’t take too many disruptions like
> that to realize the value of a remote reboot with ping watchdog option.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
>
>
> If you see enough problems that you're putting in a a remote PDU - replace
> the router before putting in the PDU unless absolutely nothing else than
> the RB4011 will work.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:31 PM Darren Shea  wrote:
>
> I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a problem a
> couple
> times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle it when
> it
> stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix for this
> problem, I'd be very interested!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups
>
> This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power cycle. They
> were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like handing
> out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
> Winbox or MACNeighbor.
>
> One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing
> NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing.  Both of these
> locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT locked up.
> Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were both
> routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I can
> attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has any one
> else noticed anything?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Josh Luthman]

No exceptions.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:20 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> The other problem is WISPA is not giving refunds to folks who "don't go
> because of the virus".
>
> On 3/11/20 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
> >
> > IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> > society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is
> > a point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings
> > to flatten the curve.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
> > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  > > wrote:
> >
> > I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled
> > for the safety of everyone.
> >
> > Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull
> out.
> >
> > I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think
> > we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer
> > financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
> > strong both physically and financially.
> >
> >
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> >
> > https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > -Sean
> >
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> >
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mathew Howard]

We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[chuck]

Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

  You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and 
french fries?



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica



  Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it 
safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure



  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or 
has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy 
has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I 
don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  
Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic 
in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the 
country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other 
countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or 
good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to 
turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 


--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

 It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot 
more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is 
that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't 
have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging 
by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far 
fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is 
much lower.

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

   this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 
1 


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

   Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind 
Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what 
will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get 
it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we 
flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the 
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is 
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the 
curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via 
Wireless  wrote:

 
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 I’m sorry folks but this conference really 
should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision 
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s 
finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t 
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong 
both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
   

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


Ken,

I agree with you 100%.  Listening to CDC and other official sources are very beneficial.  That is pretty much the only place I try to get my information from.  I don't consider them media.  My beef is with the big guys NBC, FOX, CNN, ABC, etc. Not to mention the constant noise from the likes of HuffPost, Quartz, Daily Beast, The Atlantic, etc.  It is like sitting in a room with a bunch of kindergartners yelling me me me and trying to tell a bigger story them the others so you will listen to them.  Not to mention the constant stream of crap on social media.

I also agree with you that I have wasted too much time om this crap.  So, I'm going to stop and go back to something more productive like video gaming.


See you in a few weeks. 


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 7:02:29 PM, you wrote:





I do not find your constant posts blaming “the media” helpful or informative.
 
I apologize that I find listening to the official government task force press conference more useful.  So because I’m watching it on TV, that makes it “the media”?
 
Please consider posting something about how this affects our industry or how we can prepare or respond.  If your answer is it doesn’t and we don’t need to, because it’s all a media hoax, no need to keep filling my inbox.  I heard you the first dozen times.  Blah blah blah, media, hype, hysteria, yadda yadda.
 
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
 
Going to be interesting on how long the media can milk this for.  We as a society have a very short attention span.  Long before this virus fizzles out, the masses with get bored with it.  They will just start tuning it out and start worrying about bigger things like the bachelor and the Kardashians.

What do you think about 6 weeks?


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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 6:17:35 PM, you wrote:




WHO and CDC have websites, and the federal govt task force led by VP Pence has I think daily press conferences that are carried on the TV and available I’m sure on the Internet.  Much status will be local, and state and local govts are providing information, for example here in Illinois we have http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus.

I’ve listened to some of the task force press conferences on TV and have found them informative and factual.  I also heard a press conference by our state governor today on the radio while driving, and again it was informative and not “hysteria”.

I think everyone knows about the coronavirus by now, and ample public information is available to use or ignore as you please.  So maybe we’re at the point where the discussion on this list can focus more on issues specific to our industry.


From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 


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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:




It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread a

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mathew Howard]

hmm... so if we nuke France, we'll have to go back to eating freedom fries
instead of french fries?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:20 PM  wrote:

> Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
>> french fries?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
>> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
>> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
>> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
>> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
>> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
>> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
>> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
>> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
>> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
>> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
>> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
>> fear mongering.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
>> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
>> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
>> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
>> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
>> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
>> death rate is much lower.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -Sean
>>
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