I hear you Eric.

Like you, Scott, and I'm sure others who care a great deal about this
subject have largely done, I've been hesitant to post about it with
people who don't face the same challenges and are only mildly
interested. I choose not to debate my issues here, but I want you to
know that you are not alone. Keep doing what you need to do, and
contact me any time, if you like.


On Aug 30, 6:44 am, EricP <ericpl...@aol.com> wrote:
> Yes, for some it is easier than others.  Been trying to decide whether
> to participate in either of these threads for a while.  Will admit
> that, first off, this whole concept is making me question as an
> (severely) overweight person I should even be riding and/or owning a
> Rivendell bike.  Maybe at 6' and 225 I'm too fat to actually ride one
> and need to get over this fantasy of owning a bike like my Sam
> Hillborne.
>
> For me, all grains (and fruit, nuts, etc.) contribute to my still
> excess weight.  And worsened by long distance bike rides.  Eat and
> drink too much when attempting them.  Probably why I won't ride a
> century again.  My body seems to gain between 3 and 5 pounds during
> the ride and post-ride meal.  Worse than any supposed healthful
> benefits of the ride.
>
> And, admittedly, a part of this is frustration.  My doctor has been
> critical of lack of current progress.  Yes, I have lost 145 pounds
> since this whole thing started.  At least 30 and preferably 50 more is
> necessary.
>
> Okay, said too much.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Aug 29, 8:22 pm, charlie <cl_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
> > Rex, re-read Grants post above.......... ; )
>
> > On Aug 29, 2:06 pm, Rex Kerr <rexk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I went from around 230 and completely out of shape to my current 175 (@
> > > 6'4", maintained for 3 years) by switching from a typical American diet, 
> > > to
> > > a vegetarian diet that included a lot of whole grains, and riding a lot
> > > more.  Somehow the widely accepted methods worked for me.
>
> > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Eric Daume <ericda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > That's the point of the book: this isn't universally accepted. We've 
> > > > been
> > > > pushed this viewpoint for 30 years, but where's the great downsizing of
> > > > America? One of Taubes main points is that the science behind low 
> > > > fat/high
> > > > fiber/calories in/calories out is very, very poor.
>
> > > > Eric Daume
> > > > Dublin, OH
>
> > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Patrick in VT 
> > > > <swing4...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > >> with respect, what does low-fat, hardly any meat/nearly vegetarian
> > > >> (same thing, right?) have to do with her condition?  low saturated
> > > >> fat, nearly vegetarian (as in, eating vegetables, fruits, non-animal
> > > >> whole foods) is universally accepted as a healthful way to eat.
> > > >> There's no arguing that.
>
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