I too disagree.....since the Taubes idea as I read it is to (not) eat
unhealthy fats (trans fats etc.), processed foods, low fiber starches
etc.....what I get from reading Taubes/Marks Daily Apple/ Paleo etc.
is to eat high protein, good fats, fresh vegetables (the leafy green
kind) berries,certain nuts, and some fruits and avoid all starchy
carbohydrates bread, potatoes, corn, rice, sugar..... basically eat a
healthy diet.
 I'm not sure but I get the impression that there might be a little
phobia regarding the eating of animal fats and proteins. The issues
with heart disease can most definitely be related to the ingestion of
excess carbohydrates (grains and/or sugar) along with fats (absolutely
the worst combination) but the eating of saturated fats in the absence
of starchy carbohydrates does not have the same effect........Taubes's
book really needs to be read in its entirety along some other
publications to get the complete picture. As Grant stated, the blood
numbers do improve. I know this because I did this several years ago
when I first tried the Atkins approach and my test results were
amazingly improved. A common misunderstanding among many is the focus
on meat and fats as being the only thing eaten with these diets
however I don't get that when I read the books. I can't see how lower
blood numbers, fat loss and lower insulin reactions could be
unhealthy. But I do see the success of this philosophy helping to put
to rest some of the misinformation we've been 'swallowing' since the
government indoctrinated us with the food pyramid concept this last
generation.

On Aug 31, 8:33 am, Patrick in VT <swing4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 9:06 pm, grant <grant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As the book points out, and as anybody who tries it will see, your
> > blood scores vastly improve when you eat fat and protein
>
> there's more than 1 book and countless studies that say the opposite.
> again, weight loss vs. health.  lose weight, eat fatty foods, and keep
> exercise to a minimum ... doesn't sound like a recipe for reducing the
> risk of heart disease.  When roughly two thirds of Americans (to keep
> this conservation ethnocentric - because, as others have noted, the
> rest of the carb-eating world isn't epidemically fat) are overweight/
> obese, I do understand the emphasis on weight loss - and I think it's
> great that folks are finding ways of shedding the weight, whether it's
> with Taubes or their local weight watchers class.  whatever works.
>
> but obesity isn't the only epidemic we're dealing with.  heart
> disease, cancers, and chronic health issues can all be related to diet
> and nutrition (or lack thereof) too.  diets that lead to disease have
> the following markers:
>
> -High in animal fats and protein
> -High in unhealthy fats (saturated/trans)
> -Low in fiber
> -High in processed/packaged foods
> -Low in complex carbs
> -Low in plant-based foods
>
> not coincidentally, these are also the markers of a diet (which can
> rightly be called an American diet) that lead to obesity.
>
> can one lose weight on this diet?  absolutely.  does one also lose the
> risk of disease that goes hand in hand with these diet markers?
> absolutely not.

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