Grant, As usual you make sense.....at least to me. Eric, I'm right there with you but I still have 58 more pounds to lose....I don't do super long rides now. Actually my limit is around 40-50 miles maximum. I can ride farther but it becomes grueling for me at my current weight/age. I do ride to work from time to time which ends up being a 32-36 mile day more or less. My normal ride is between 8.5 and 15 miles and that is it. I do some weight lifting, push my lawnmower (1.6 acres with about 25% lawn ) and I am presently working on my house doing some repair work. Actually the weight lifting is better for fat lost than cardiovascular exercise but I love to bicycle so I do it but in moderation. For weights you only need to do 30 minutes four times a week. I also find it difficult to control my food intake when I am 'overtraining' but if I pig out on carbs I (do) go and ride for an hour or two just to burn them a little. I am under no delusion that I am going to lose fat buy eating a boatload of carbs and riding 50-100 miles. I find it easier to control the urge to eat when I exercise modestly and at lower intensity on the bike and the same goes for the weights. If you want to burn a bunch of calories you can exercise like a madman and you will lose weight but you have to eat less and doing that makes me crazy and mildly depressed so I don't anymore. Instead, I exercise modestly don't eat carbs except vegetables and I do eat protein and fats. So far its been working and I've been maintaining a good attitude most of the time. The 24 pounds I have lost so far has been done doing virtually no exercise due to bad weather, work demands and lack of proper rest. My riding this summer (what little there is of it in Washington state) has been sporadic so I know the food changes have been working. In previous years when I have been able to ride more I would just compensate for the calories I burned riding by eating more and my weight loss would only go so far. If I didn't eat enough I couldn't do the volume of exercise I was doing without getting depressed and winter would come and I would gain it back because I couldn't ride enough. Crashing on the ice didn't help either. I wouldn't regret owning a Rivendell or riding it, just change the way you ride and learn how to eat and ride the 'Paleo way' if fat loss is your goal. There are several trainers who have written books on the subject.
On Aug 30, 6:06 pm, grant <grant...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 30, 8:04 am, Patrick in VT <swing4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 27, 11:24 am, grant <grant...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > If you can do it by exercising hard and long, and will power, and calorie > > > restriction--- > > > and you can maintain that without feeling like the fat-wolf is at the > > > door---that's great. > > > insulin: if it's really the key, and Taubes is right, i have wonder > > why BigPharma isn't all over this. seems like a great idea for a > > pill, no? > > There are drugs for diabetes, but if the goal is to reduce the insulin > load, cutting carbs is the most powerful "pill." No side effects, etc. > Imagine, on another hand, that Type 2 diabetics and pre-diabetics were > told, "all you gotta do to control your insulin is to limit your > carbs." The ramifications are huge...and we aren't equipped to deal > with them. General Mills would have a cow, as would Sunkist, > Pepperidge Farms, Orowheat, and Pabst. Poor people would have to buy > one-pound cans of salmon at the dollar store. Farmers would not like > it. Everybody would get sued. > > The reality is that --- if all this low-carby stuff is truish -- it > doesn't work for Somalia, Haiti, or poor America. That doesn't mean > that for any person or family who can afford it and doesn't have > religious or moral problems with eating meat, that is isn't healthier. > As the book points out, and as anybody who tries it will see, your > blood scores vastly improve when you eat fat and protein in the near > absence of carbohydrates. The weight comes off almost > incidentally....although...it also comes off inevitably. > > > > > exercise: there's no need to exercise "long and hard." it's simply a > > matter of being active. as another poster mentioned, folks find all > > kinds of ways to "exercise" - gardening, taking the dogs for a walk a > > few times a day, and generally not sitting on the couch in front of > > the television from 6:00-10:00 at night. > > > will power: in the same post, you wrote that restricting carbs is not > > EASY. this implies that will power is part of the low carb diet > > equation too. > > "Will power" is another topic, but we can all think of lots of > difficult tasks in which WP isn't part of the equation. The hard part > of cutting carbs is seeing the French toast with blueberries and real > maple syrup...and not eating it. If the guy looks and doesn't want to > eat it and knows that if he does, he'll regret it...and then eats it > anyway....it's easy to say he had a failure of will. BUT if the only > argument for "failure of will" is having eaten it...that's what's > known in some circles as an explanatory fiction, and in others as > "circular logic." > > > > > > > > > > > calorie restriction: if a person is obese, that person needs to cut > > calories. again, you tie the term "undereating" to calorie restriction > > which is a complete red herring. eating an appropriate amount of food > > and practicing portion control is not undereating. > > > If Taubes is working for people, great! But the notion that the only > > other way to get there is by grueling exercise, buddha-esque will > > power and undereating is ridiculous. It's not just a few lucky people > > with good genetics who get to live fit healthy lives and eat carbs. > > > Eating for health and eating for weight loss are two entirely > > different things - most folks are interested in the latter and less > > concerned with the former for obvious reasons. it's frustrating, but > > i don't begrudge that. as long as the two aren't confused. > > > Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
