That's the rub & crux right there in the World of The Fat Person---

99.8% of all advice, suggestions, How-To's, solutions and False Hope
come from -either- The Thin or Slightly Pudgified.

I prefer my knowledge and/or advice to come from the inhabitants of
the trenches. And there aren't many... so I had to go mostly Solo.

Solo is lonely but it serves to create focus and hard-fought/won
opinions and solutions.

-Scott

On Aug 26, 7:03 pm, charlie <cl_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think not.....and this is coming from an exercise junkie with a
> whole foods, half hippie wife and years of trying
> everything....weighing my food, portion control, whole grains, calorie
> counting, tofu, low fat, largely vegetarian at times, extreme exercise
> (do you want me to explain the volume and variety) nothing has been as
> effective or as easy for me to stay with as what we have been doing
> for the last six months. Compliance is poor because the other methods
> don't work as well without extreme and I mean really extreme measures.
> Its rather annoying to read comments sometimes from folks that
> (presumably) are not battling the problem and I don't mean 20 pounds
> of winter fat I'm talking a lifetime of obesity. Think of it in the
> reverse......picture a super skinny guy who can't put on muscle no
> matter how much he eats and exercises and if he does manage to gain a
> few pounds as soon as he stops, he loses the added muscle and becomes
> the 98 pound weakling again. I would defy anyone to strap on 100, 200
> maybe as much as 400 pounds on their body and just try to walk up a
> hill.......the heavy people who exercise put out a whole lot more
> effort than any 160 pound man merrily spinning away on his bicycle.
> Sorry guys but this topic is striking a raw nerve with me today
> because I don't think many people really understand what they are
> talking about......from experience.
>
> On Aug 26, 2:16 pm, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 17:11 -0400, Eric Daume wrote:
> > > That's the point of the book: this isn't universally accepted. We've
> > > been pushed this viewpoint for 30 years, but where's the great
> > > downsizing of America? One of Taubes main points is that the science
> > > behind low fat/high fiber/calories in/calories out is very, very poor.
>
> > Perhaps the problem is really that compliance is very, very poor?

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