On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:26 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:

>
>> Club riders will generally be using 700 x 23.  Frequently smaller.
>> At 120 PSI.  It's just a fact of life in racing clubs.  This is
>> target market that does not think like people who use 35 mm tires,
>> tweed bags and high bars.  If you don't know anything about club
>> racing, you won't be able to look at this frame through the right  
>> lens.
>
> Topic drift, but isn't it possible this is a case where the club is
> simply accepting conventional wisdom that skinny high pressure are by
> default faster?

Yes.  Your point?  :-)

> Common assumption to be sure, but no longer
> universal.  Jan Heine and other bicycle thinkers have argued that in
> real road conditions, wider tires with high quality low resistance
> rubber are faster than skinny tires.

These do not convince the bike racer types.  Most of them will have  
never heard these arguments, which are mainly held in small out of  
the way forums not frequented by USAC members.  Until Lance is riding  
28s on his race bike, the clubbers won't know.  (Takes off "former  
racing club president" hat).

> I mention the Schwalbe Kojak  above - decidedly not a tweed bag
> (something I have never owned, btw) or high bar type of tire, in spite
> of its wider dimensions.
>
> You are correct I do not know anything about club racing (don't care
> to, either).  However, it seems rational to assume being fast is part
> of the equation.  Motorcycles race faster on wide slicks.  So do many
> types of race cars.  There are those who suggest bicycles are not so
> different.  Maybe they are wrong.  Seems to me the Roadeo affords an
> opportunity to challenge convention.

Maybe.  Challenging the conventions is a sure way to limit sales,  
unfortunately.

> As you say, doubtful many will try.  More the pity, IMO.

Maybe.  OTOH the Roadeo might afford an entree to these folks into a  
wider (pun intended) world.



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