> They both work fine, and I still have no idea what the original 'problem'
> even was. Ride your bike, and by all means if you need that extra .3 mph in
> a sprint convert to threadless--just don't overlook my concise introduction
> to the oft-overlooked reality of stem planing, ok?
Well, thank you for the holiday wishes Erik (and back at you!), but I
fear your planing theory does not advance the debate, at least as I
understand it.
The question at hand - or I thought at hand - was whether the benefits
of threadless warrant Rivendell offering a threadless option on all
Rivs not just the Legolas. As best I understand the planing theory,
with the exception of the Legolas, most Rivs will not plane. Bikes
planing proponents say plane are usually thin tube, randoneur type
bikes. Rivendells are made with fine sturdy tubing. The Hilsen comes
close to rando angles but gets no cigar. More impotantly perhaps, I
do not recall ever seeing anything to suggest GP buys into the whole
planing theory. So this probably will not factor into his decision
making process one way or the other.
On Dec 24, 12:22 pm, "erik jensen" <radiophonicworks...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear Rivendellians,
>
> Clearly none have considered the benefits of planing as regards the
> problematic of threaded stem flex. This slight, often imperceptible,
> distortion under duress netted by a quill pays off greatly in the
> subharmonic release of said stored energy and propells the rider through the
> dead zone of her pedal stroke resulting in a smoother ride and gentler
> disposition.
> I do have a threadless surly, and I do note it is significantly slower. I
> attribute this to stem planing, which is the only clear scientifically
> rigorous explanation I care for.
>
> I like quills for a plethora of reasons, philosophic and aesthetic--none of
> them performance aside from the quick change of height during a long ride or
> tour. If they're good enough for thousands of miles by others in
> multivariate conditions, that's good enough for me. I even like greasing my
> stem, so...
>
> On a serious note, all this talk about "so and so prefers x over y for
> reasons {a1, a2, a3}" really misses the point in my opinion.
>
> They both work fine, and I still have no idea what the original 'problem'
> even was. Ride your bike, and by all means if you need that extra .3 mph in
> a sprint convert to threadless--just don't overlook my concise introduction
> to the oft-overlooked reality of stem planing, ok?
>
> Have a great thursday eve and a fine holiday,
>
> erik
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:54 AM, <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>
> > Quoting Atlantean <softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > One advantage of threadless forks, from a manufacturing and commercial
> > > point of view, is the fact that you only need to make one fork to fit
> > > a whole size run of frames. This makes things much easier and
> > > significantly less expensive. It would be pretty easy for Grant to
> > > order some threadless forks for, say, AHH owners who might want to buy
> > > one. I am not saying I think he should, and I do understand why he
> > > does not, but it's not like it would be a big deal to do it. It is
> > > also not likely to be a big money maker for someone like Rivendell. I
> > > do not expect it to happen, and it makes no difference in my opinion
> > > of Riv.
>
> > The only manufacturer I can think of off the top of my head who
> > actually has done something like this is Kogswell, with its
> > "Konversion Forks".
>
> > > The way these things go, I expect that at some point there will be
> > > some decent chromoly forks with 1" threadless steer tubes readily
> > > available for a good price. There are millions of frames out there
> > > that they could be used on.
>
> > Kogswell.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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